bigmck
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Maybe, but would you rather be in this position or in the "Jim Mora" position? Enjoy it while you can.
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Maybe, but would you rather be in this position or in the "Jim Mora" position? Enjoy it while you can.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
So did not kicking a FG and calling that stupid 4th and 1 play, so did missing the PAT, lots of things put the game in jeopardy.
Missing JJo and Mr. C were blaringly oblivious. McKinney couldn't cover anyone. Most of their big plays were to Wright's side.
They're very fortunate opposing coaches are making worse than OB calls, Reich, Garrett and now VJ. The Texans have taken advantage of it so far, so there's that, but don't confuse this 6 game win streak to being at the level of the Pats, Chiefs, Rams, Saints, etc. Those teams are playing a different sport and would likely annihilate the Texans. Maybe not, but very likely.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You could easily add Steelers and Chargers to that list and at the moment, the Texans would be drawing the Chargers.
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NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I have not heard a single person shout at the top of their lungs...
WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE!!!
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We are at the top of the league!!
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B’OB IS A GOD!!!
... or yaddayadda. All I’ve heard is that we are excited about our six game winning streak. And you know what? I’m excited too. What’s wrong with that?
Some of y’all are retarded. Lmao.
Look... all I’m saying is that we are on the up and up in the win/loss column. I’m gonna enjoy it for as long as I can.
WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE!!!
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We are at the top of the league!!
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B’OB IS A GOD!!!
... or yaddayadda. All I’ve heard is that we are excited about our six game winning streak. And you know what? I’m excited too. What’s wrong with that?
Some of y’all are retarded. Lmao.
Look... all I’m saying is that we are on the up and up in the win/loss column. I’m gonna enjoy it for as long as I can.
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I think the Texans can manage the Chargers. I don’t know about the Steelers.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
you're right. He lies alot and would do anything to preserve his job too. Great comparison!
If we win the division and thereby go to the P/Os then this year has been a success in this fans opinion. And that's win or lose in the wild-card weekend if we get there.
I now think there's a real chance that Brian Gaine may be our Ozzie Newsome, our Bill Polian, or pick your fav NFL GM. IMHO that could be the biggest difference between this
edition of the Texans and all others before it.
Re O'Brien - yea he's still making some mistakes on the field but he's also still learning and I think the players believe in him, they like him, they play for him. And he and Gaine seem to be compatible and able to work well together.
I now think there's a real chance that Brian Gaine may be our Ozzie Newsome, our Bill Polian, or pick your fav NFL GM. IMHO that could be the biggest difference between this
edition of the Texans and all others before it.
Re O'Brien - yea he's still making some mistakes on the field but he's also still learning and I think the players believe in him, they like him, they play for him. And he and Gaine seem to be compatible and able to work well together.
What has he lied about?
banned1976
sleeper mode
Yesterday against the Broncos defense Watson was 7 for 8 for 104 yards on 1st down. The Texans ran the ball 16 times for 31 yards on first down with 6 of those going for lost yardage.
Once again Bill O’Brien was able to quickly assess what was working on offense and do the opposite. In the 1st quarter the Texans offense looked like an unstoppable scoring machine. Until Bo’B threw a monkey wrench into it. Does he do this in all aspects of his life, I wonder.
Yesterday was like Patton meeting Rommel in the desert. W/o a doubt the Broncos DC was gambling on BoB to run on 1st.
Once again Bill O’Brien was able to quickly assess what was working on offense and do the opposite. In the 1st quarter the Texans offense looked like an unstoppable scoring machine. Until Bo’B threw a monkey wrench into it. Does he do this in all aspects of his life, I wonder.
Yesterday was like Patton meeting Rommel in the desert. W/o a doubt the Broncos DC was gambling on BoB to run on 1st.
Extremely aggravating to the point of finding humor.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Ummm... in-incorrect. Mike Zimmer advanced the NFC championship game. BoB is a musket of a playoff coach - only good for one round.
Although I also have confidence in Watson but I am concerned BoB will find a way to eff schit up because that is his superpower.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Wasn’t putting words in your mouth, just asked a question. The way you talk badly about Rick, and our lack of moves in the offseason, you make it sound like we have the least talented team in the league. Was surprised to see you say we have a 9 win team. 9 wins is above average.
So in your opinion, if the Texans finish at 9 wins, what does that say about our coaching? Nothing special?
It says BOB coached the team to it's talent level. I think they're actually going to win more than nine games
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I apologize. You’re right. Zimmer went to the NFC championship game. It takes one win in the playoffs to get there with a BYE.
Either way, my thinking was this... they both still have the exact same win/loss playoffs record... 1-2. Do I feel confident that we can win one game in the playoffs? Yes. B’OB’s done it before... exactly as Zimmer’s done.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Check out @MostlyFBShow’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/MostlyFBShow/status/1059248124697370624?s=09
O'Brien here is saying he was telling at a member of the field goal unit. The Keenum jab. The stupid look on his face when they told him Lechler was trashing him. While maybe not blatant as the *president still so transparent for anyone who has a set of eyes
Or are you going to convince me Buttcrack McQuack is a boy scout who would never cuss anyone out ?
Bill should just own the fact he's a prick instead of backtracking when he gets caught.
Rivers McCown: Boy was this game ugly. Jeff Heuerman was the main receiver for the Broncos, and the Texans stalled out as an offense after 15 minutes. I'm not sure if that's a situational scripting thing or what, but as soon as O'Brien started calling more traditional run plays, the Texans were easy pickings.
Regardless, a huge win for the Texans, who could go in to Week 10 with a three-game lead on the entire AFC South with games remaining against ... the Browns, Jets, Eagles, Washington, and at home against the entire rest of the AFC South.
Tom Gower: Houston running backs finished with 27 carries for 60 yards. After they got 13 points early in the second, they basically turtled and got away with it, thanks in part to poor end-of-half management in both halves by Vance Joseph.
Rivers McCown: It's impossible to overstate how out-of-date the Houston offense looks on any sort of traditional rushing plays. Like a 1990s team playing in 2018.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2018/audibles-line-week-9
Regardless, a huge win for the Texans, who could go in to Week 10 with a three-game lead on the entire AFC South with games remaining against ... the Browns, Jets, Eagles, Washington, and at home against the entire rest of the AFC South.
Tom Gower: Houston running backs finished with 27 carries for 60 yards. After they got 13 points early in the second, they basically turtled and got away with it, thanks in part to poor end-of-half management in both halves by Vance Joseph.
Rivers McCown: It's impossible to overstate how out-of-date the Houston offense looks on any sort of traditional rushing plays. Like a 1990s team playing in 2018.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2018/audibles-line-week-9
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Running QB options with your franchise QB is probably not indicative of the modern game either, just a recipe for disaster (but you cant be scared
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Running QB options with your franchise QB is probably not indicative of the modern game either, just a recipe for disaster (but you cant be scared
Drafting a 1b QB would be a good idea
Depends on what you want to believe.
Your mind is already made up.
I'm just glad he got the season turned around.
Your mind is already made up.
I'm just glad he got the season turned around.
markn
All Pro
Thought the same, so I checked it out.
We're wrong.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-first-down-pct
63%, middle of the pack.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The one thing I take away from OB in that clip is he realizes how lucky he was.
H_Town_Gaucho
Waterboy
Miller and Blue up the middle after a 1st down, every...single...time....and then a passing down. What a lack of imagination OB, and I'm glad everyone is excited on our 6 game win streak, but we can't beat the Patriots and never will, so it's all a moot point really.
I dunno.... I've seen Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, even ancient Drew Brees run the QB option with success. Andy Reid isn't afraid to run it with Mahomes...Running QB options with your franchise QB is probably not indicative of the modern game either, just a recipe for disaster (but you cant be scared
I'm not saying make it your bread & butter - that would be Lamar Miller up the middle - but don't take it out of the playbook cause yer skerdt.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Maybe we can't beat the Patriots, but somebody else could possibly eliminate them for us? Also, every team in the NFL is one injury away from being insignificant.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Don’t even have to run it that much but you have to make the defense be honest and as long as he’s a threat it will open things up. But lining up 8 on the line handing off up the middle 20 times a game isn’t gonna work. Every team knows our first down play because it doesn’t change. It stays the same.
Im very curious to know our success rate of running out of shotgun versus running from under center anyways.
Yes, there's a cumulative affect. But all that was overcome. When the defense had the Broncos at 1st & 25, the game should have been over. There's nothing the offense could have done between 1st & 25 and 2nd & 8... or 3rd & 8.
With 0:54 left in the game the offense did enough to win. It's not like they went 3 & out & had the defense gassed.
& no, winning these last 6 games does not have me thinking we're contenders, a good team, a talented team... I don't even think we're the best team in Houston right now.
But I'm still enjoying this run.
I'm glad it happened (is happening?) but I'm not enjoying it because our wins - except for Miami - seem to depend on the other coach to make a bonehead decision to get a win.
I'd enjoy it if more of the wins were like the Miami game.
I'm sure I would too. Unfortunately that's just not who we are.
The question is: Why not?
We have offensive weapons.
We have defensive studs and solid role players on D.
We show flashes of effectiveness... like the first two drives against Denver or the shoot out we got into against Indy or most of the Miami game....
I don't understand why it's so intermittent.
I heard Colin Cowherd make a statement today about how some people say Tom Brady is great because of the "system" or Bill Belichik, etc. He basically broke down what Bill Belichik has done when not having Tom Brady (which wasn't impressive) and talked about how NE doesn't have a "system", their "system" is Tom Brady. So if Tom Brady is truly the reason why that team thrives, it makes you wonder about all of these coaches (BOB included) getting jobs because of Tom Brady.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I think many here must rethink the argument that O'Brien/Texans run on 1st down too often.
NFL Team Rushing First Down Percentage
Rank Team 2018 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2017
21 Houston 27.47% 38.78% 23.53% 21.79% 31.73% 27.48%
NFL Team Rushing First Down Percentage
Rank Team 2018 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2017
21 Houston 27.47% 38.78% 23.53% 21.79% 31.73% 27.48%
Hopkins is a possession guy. WFV & Coutee have been in & out & in, etc....
We got Demaryius Thomas now, but I doubt he's got the terminology down yet.
Looking at that list, it doesn't look like passing on first down is conducive to winning... & we pass on 1st down 3x as much as we run. I wouldn't have thought that.
Please explain how Belichick won 10 games with Cassel at QB. What was Jimmy G's record when Brady was out? I seem to remember Belichick kicking the Texans butts with a 3rd string QB. (Brissett)
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
That's just wrong on Cowherd's part. If that was so true, then it would be plausible to wonder out loud as to why Steve Young couldn't win a SB in Tampa Bay but suddenly became ultra effective in SF. If Tom Brady was traded to the Browns at the beginning of the season, no way are the Browns looking at 8-1 start and planning on a deep playoff run that would conclude with them being the SB favorites.
The Patriots win b/c of a great organization and a great HC who has assembled a great coaching staff and keeps doing so b/c his coaches keep getting pilfered by other clubs.
I'm really looking forward to watching how Gaine handles the upcoming off-season.....this will go a long ways in giving us fans an insight about the Texans future.
If Gaine had the power of Bellichick, maybe. But he's not the guy at the top. That's still McNair. Gaine & BO'b are equals.
Can he get players BO'b can work with? Can he get players that stay healthy?
But he's not going to change how this organization is run.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That's just it. Flashes of effectiveness is what they are so far. The Bills showed flashes of effectiveness against the Vikings in Minnesota in week 3. Every team has those flashes. The better teams are just a lot more consistent with them.
Until the Texans get more consistent with their "flashes", which they have a few things hindering that effort, they'll continue to get by on some of the luck and opposing coaches boneheaded decisions. Problem is, that luck will run out eventually, and they'll run in to some smarter coaches.
I think it is the specific running play and when we seem to get (start of the game and at half) that makes it stick out (for me at least)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/carry/houston-texans/season/week
running charts for Texans RBs through week 9.
edit: it actually goes back to last year, neat! didnt notice that at first.
running charts for Texans RBs through week 9.
edit: it actually goes back to last year, neat! didnt notice that at first.
Actually there's a LOT of info on this site. QB charts,
completion charts for the WR/TEs....
Every team and game back to 2017.
Very cool.
Thanks for the link!!
(and if it's been posted before, guess I missed it)
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
I hate it when things I like to complain about are disproved by facts... so annoying
Of course even knowing this the next time Miller gets a 1 yard loss on a first down carry - I'm still going to scream "why do you ALWAYS run it on First Down!" at the TV. Well I probably only yell it 27.47% of the time, but you get the picture.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
Of course, there will always be someone saying "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
But facts are facts.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Whoa, Whoa Whoa .. you know you need to list which data point you used to 'rank the offense' (based on provider I know its DVOA ) otherwise you get the Pro Bill Militia in an uproar.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don't think anyone minds a run on first down; it's the RB up the middle for 0 yards that's annoying af. Stop pounding your speed back into the back of your already suspect OL. Plenty of other run play options.
Moving the goal posts yet again. based on this run chart you posted...kinda seems like it doesn't matter where we run it doesn't it? The only reason we are ranked #11 in rushing is b/c of the 30-40 yds DW4 gets from scrambling every game. No matter what you use, the limiting factor of this offense is clear..the o-line. Hell even using that trash DVOA metric its apparent what's dragging the offense down.
markn
All Pro
Interesting to compare this chart with the one I posted from the same site which detailed %passing on first down where we had 63%.
63+27=90
What are we doing on the other 10% of first downs?
False starts and holding penalties.
markn
All Pro
Sadly I imagine that just about adds up!
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