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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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amazing80 said:
I would guess most good teams are closer to 50/50 or 60/40 on first down runs. Teams are selling out vs the run on first down against us. It's so obvious when watching, not sure how you don't see it. Maybe take the blinders off?
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just looking at the play by play of the 1st half of this game alone we actually passed the ball more on 1st down than we ran it...8 called runs and 9 passes. It probably got lopsided in the 2nd half b/c the objective was to run clock...(didn't look at the 2nd half run/pass ratio)...that's typically what teams do in the 2nd half if they are leading. Having said that, BoB did get a little too conservative, but most teams would run the ball more in the 2nd half if they had a lead.

You got your defense out there sucking wind...you can't drop back and throw the damn ball all the damn time. You have to run, make the defense respect it and give your WR & defense a break.
 
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TheKDog said:
If the defense gives up 20 points and the Texans lose, that's on the offense.
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Uh no & that assertion doesn't fit your idiotic running narrative of the defense being held back by the offense. This game the defense gave up the lead to an also-ran qb, offense got the lead back for them & were it not for Mcmanus shanking the kick, the defense would've lost it for the team.

Complimentary football
 
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Texecutioner said:
Anyone still defending OB at this point can kiss my ass.

Texans should have lost today because of how stupid his decisions were again. Him going for it on 4th and 1 with our weak ass Oline was such an obvious bad move at the time. I knew it would haunt us and it did. Get this guy the **** out of here.
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I didn't like the call to go for it there, but it didn't tick me off till I saw the play call. Really ticked me off when Denver converted in the same situation.

We had just got stood up on third down not much earlier & we tried that in that situation. The Broncos were looking unstoppable on the ground when they tried it, but on 4th down they went with a play action pass they converted easily.

Maybe that's a call BO'b expects Watson to make at the line, I don't know. If you read run defense, play action. If you read run/pass defense hand it off.

Who knows?

If they'd have made it I'd have been happy as a quiet clam.
 
Mr teX said:
Uh no & that assertion doesn't fit your idiotic running narrative of the defense being held back by the offense. This game the defense gave up the lead to an also-ran qb, offense got the lead back for them & were it not for Mcmanus shanking the kick, the defense would've lost it for the team.

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The defense gave up the lead because the offense was barely scoring

19 points per game is bottom 10 scoring level
 
Mangler said:
In before the "6 in a row bro" crowd comes in and praises his "grit" for going for it on 4th & 1. It was completely unecessary at the time, and the play call his slow ass called was about as inept and boring as they come. He better be thanking God that Gaine is his boy, or he would have gotten the pink slip once the game clock read 0:00 today.
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I took a bit of a haitus so I may have missed something. Is Gaine BO'bs boss, or do they have the same relationship Rick & BO'b had?

Only a McNair can fire BO'b.
 
TheKDog said:
The defense gave up the lead because the offense was barely scoring

19 points per game is bottom 10 scoring level
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You sound dumb...If this defense is so great they don't give up the lead much less almost lose the game at the end giving up 2 3rd & long situations and and 4th short on that final drive.

& like i said...somehow it was enough to rescue a defense that almost still blew the game in the end.

Keep trying...1 day it'll click for you.
 
Mr teX said:
You sound dumb...If this defense is so great they don't give up the lead much less almost lose the game at the end giving up 3 & long situations and and 4th short.

& like i said...somehow it was enough to rescue a defense that almost still blew the game in the end.

Keep trying...1 day it'll click for you.
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So if the offense only scores 3 points per game and the team loses 6-3, it is the defenses fault for giving up the 3 pt lead?

Dumb logic man.
 
TheKDog said:
So if the offense only scores 3 points per game and the team loses 6-3, it is the defenses fault for giving up the 3 pt lead?

Dumb logic man.
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If the offense scores 19 pts and the defense gives up 20 its the offenses fault for not scoring more? You're right you logic is dumb.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Rams were on 8 straight and on the road vs a HOF QB. Fought back down 21. This team lost to eli and who was that

comparing the ability to fight back down 21, Texans struggle to score 21
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Sounds like the Rams scored a bunch of garbage time points. Like the Saints put it on cruise control then realized they'd better pimp slap the Rams before they get the wrong idea... & you celebrate the Rams.
 
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Mr teX said:
If the offense scores 19 pts and the defense gives up 20 its the offenses fault for not scoring more? You're right you logic is dumb.
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If the defense gives up 20 ppg, it's one of the best defenses in the league.

If the offense scores 20 ppg, it's one of the worst in the league.

Get it?
 
thunderkyss said:
Sounds like the Rams scored a bunch of garbage time points. Like the Saints put it on cruise control then realized they'd better pump slap the Rams before they get the wrong idea... & you celebrate the Rams.


The defense put Case Kennum in 1st & 25, then allowed a 1st down after two plays.

Had they got off the field like they should have, we can kneel out the clock.

Offense had nothing to do with it.
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Offense went turtle and didn't score enough. You can't expect the defense to hold teams under 20 every week, that's well below the NFL scoring average
 
TheKDog said:
If the defense gives up 20 ppg, it's one of the best defenses in the league.

If the offense scores 20 ppg, it's one of the worst in the league.

Get it?
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Apparently you don't get it. WHATEVER the offense scores it's the job of the defense to not give up more than that. Each side plays off the other. That's why your logic is dumb as hell & why this notion that you keep pushing doesn't matter.
 
TheKDog said:
Offense went turtle and didn't score enough. You can't expect the defense to hold teams under 20 every week, that's well below the NFL scoring average
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At the end of the season we can look back & see how many times we scored less than 20 points & blame the offense for the losses, credit the defense for the wins.

But the game isn't six hours old. You know the defense gave up a 60 yard drive which included a conversion after 1st & 25.

We can't blame the offense if we had lost the game we didn't lose. It's way too early for that.

This game, giving up 60 yards (including a 1st & 25) put the game in jeopardy.
 
thunderkyss said:
Sounds like the Rams scored a bunch of garbage time points. Like the Saints put it on cruise control then realized they'd better pimp slap the Rams before they get the wrong idea... & you celebrate the Rams.
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No sir the Rams tied the game up at 35. Their defense finally were able to get some much needed stops. And they scored 21 unanswered points.
 
Obrien detractors during a 6 game win streak...."but we didn't score 87036 pts. Why didn't we run 5 wide and throw it deep on 3rd & 2?"...:smiliepalm:
 
Mr teX said:
Yup. We went into 1 of the toughest places to play crowd wise, enviornment wise and defensive pass rusher wise............& we won.

Apparently some here expected us to go into Denver, sling it around & put up 30+ pts like the saints with 1.5 WR's, a putrid o-line and a wishy washy o-line.

Find a way to get it done..& they did.
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Agreed
But a Broncos fan and me were laughing at all of the first down runs. How many passes we on first down?
 
TheKDog said:
The defense gave up the lead because the offense was barely scoring

19 points per game is bottom 10 scoring level
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Absolutely 19 ppg is terrible. The problem with your logic is this... the Texans aren’t averaging 19 ppg. Not even close. The Texans are averaging 24.6 ppg which places them in the TOP half of the league. We’re tied for 14th place along with Minnesota and Baltimore. Both of these teams are considered legit contenders. Why are we not? It’s silly.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Absolutely 19 ppg is terrible. The problem with your logic is this... the Texans aren’t averaging 19 ppg. Not even close. The Texans are averaging 24.6 ppg which places them in the TOP half of the league. We’re tied for 14th place along with Minnesota and Baltimore. Both of these teams are considered legit contenders. Why are we not? It’s silly.
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which is right at the league average for 2018.
 
Mr teX said:
which is right at the league average for 2018.
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True but he’s saying... bottom ten. It’s not true. The highest scoring team is not going to win championships. It’s the team that scores more than their opponents. So far... we’ve scored more than our opponents six times out of nine. That’s pretty damn good.
 
NitroGSXR said:
True but he’s saying... bottom ten. It’s not true. The highest scoring team is not going to win championships. It’s the team that scores more than their opponents. So far... we’ve scored more than our opponents six times out of nine. That’s pretty damn good.
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he's using football outsiders DVOA as his metric to gauge the offense and defense..& by that contrived metric, we are bottom 10.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Absolutely 19 ppg is terrible. The problem with your logic is this... the Texans aren’t averaging 19 ppg. Not even close. The Texans are averaging 24.6 ppg which places them in the TOP half of the league. We’re tied for 14th place along with Minnesota and Baltimore. Both of these teams are considered legit contenders. Why are we not? It’s silly.
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Both of those teams coaches have taken them beyond the first round of the playoffs. Do you have confidence BoB will lead this team beyond the second round? I don’t.
 
oh lookie, Brady & the Pats going for it on a 4th and goal & passing the ball instead of running....& it failed!...Belichick is a horrible coach!:sarcasm:
 
NitroGSXR said:
Absolutely 19 ppg is terrible. The problem with your logic is this... the Texans aren’t averaging 19 ppg. Not even close. The Texans are averaging 24.6 ppg which places them in the TOP half of the league. We’re tied for 14th place along with Minnesota and Baltimore. Both of these teams are considered legit contenders. Why are we not? It’s silly.
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In a few posts I made some days ago, I took out the defensive scoring , and subtract points in OTs (which the Texans had 9 on 3 FGs) , the Texans were below league average in offensive scoring.

I'll dig it up during the week.

There's nothing wrong with the defense carrying a team, but we need to place things as they really are, and not trying to fool ourselves.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Both of those teams coaches have taken them beyond the first round of the playoffs. Do you have confidence BoB will lead this team beyond the second round? I don’t.
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Ummm... incorrect. Mike Zimmer has the exact same 1-2 postseason record that B’OB has.

I have confidence in Watson.
 
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76Texan said:
In a few posts I made some days ago, I took out the defensive scoring , and subtract points in OTs (which the Texans had 9 on 3 FGs) , the Texans were below league average in offensive scoring.

I'll dig it up during the week.

There's nothing wrong with the defense carrying a team, but we need to place things as they really are, and not trying to fool ourselves.
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76Texan said:
In a few posts I made some days ago, I took out the defensive scoring , and subtract points in OTs (which the Texans had 9 on 3 FGs) , the Texans were below league average in offensive scoring.

I'll dig it up during the week.

There's nothing wrong with the defense carrying a team, but we need to place things as they really are, and not trying to fool ourselves.
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I’m not going to take away field goals or defensive scores. We made them so they COUNT. Why would you want to take them away?

Lol.
 
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NitroGSXR said:
I’m not going to take away field goals or defensive scores. We made them so they COUNT. Why would you want to take them away?

Lol.
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Take away score in OTs only.

And we're talking about offensive outputs.

If you want to say TOTAL score, say so.
I'm OK with it.

Just be sure to clarify it as such.
 
thunderkyss said:
The defense put Case Kennum in 1st & 25, then allowed a 1st down after two plays.

Had they got off the field like they should have, we can kneel out the clock.

Offense had nothing to do with it.
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This is a team game. The offense went turtle late. We ran the ball on 1st & 2nd down, got a reasonable 3rd & 5 then... False Start #87. The offense failed to convert the 3rd & long. Giving the ball back you have to know Denver is going full tilt their next possession (going for it on 4th down, etc). It's hard enough stopping a team when they have 3 downs to work with. Denver had 4 to convert and they only needed a FG to win. The offense can't give the ball back and be blameless.
 
Mr teX said:
Uh no & that assertion doesn't fit your idiotic running narrative of the defense being held back by the offense. This game the defense gave up the lead to an also-ran qb, offense got the lead back for them & were it not for Mcmanus shanking the kick, the defense would've lost it for the team.

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That also ran QB led his team to the NFC title game last year ….. Today he put his team in position to post a W against a very solid defense and the liquored up kicker blew it (twice).

Keenum wont ever be in the same conversation as Tom Terrific or Rodgers but he's a pretty solid QB.
 
Mr teX said:
just looking at the play by play of the 1st half of this game alone we actually passed the ball more on 1st down than we ran it...8 called runs and 9 passes. It probably got lopsided in the 2nd half b/c the objective was to run clock...(didn't look at the 2nd half run/pass ratio)...that's typically what teams do in the 2nd half if they are leading. Having said that, BoB did get a little too conservative, but most teams would run the ball more in the 2nd half if they had a lead.

You got your defense out there sucking wind...you can't drop back and throw the damn ball all the damn time. You have to run, make the defense respect it and give your WR & defense a break.
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This wasn't one of BOB"s best days.

Got out with a W. Six in a row.

They are going out early in the playoffs.
 
76Texan said:
Take away score in OTs only.

And we're talking about offensive outputs.

If you want to say TOTAL score, say so.
I'm OK with it.

Just be sure to clarify it as such.
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I’m keeping our nine points, sir. We earned ‘em.

Idgaf what the offensive output is. That is meaningless. We scored more than them six out of nine times. That’s the only measurable that matters.

I’m done with this cherry pickin’ insanity.
 
Corrosion said:
That also ran QB led his team to the NFC title game last year ….. Today he put his team in position to post a W against a very solid defense and the liquored up kicker blew it (twice).

Keenum wont ever be in the same conversation as Tom Terrific or Rodgers but he's a pretty solid QB.
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solid implies he’s average and his 6 years in the league says he’s a JAG that lucked up last year.
 
Mr teX said:
Probably...but anyone thinking this roster was SB ready was delusional. With or without BoB this team was not ready to make a run.
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Agreed, i just like pointing out things I don't like about BOB.

This is a nine win team talent wise
 
Mr teX said:
Probably...but anyone thinking this roster was SB ready was delusional. With or without BoB this team was not ready to make a run.
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No arguing that point at all.

The question is for the future - When we do have the roster is BoB the guy to lead them to the promised land ?

If so , stay the course …. If not , no better time than the present to prepare for the future.
 
JCTexan said:
This is a team game. The offense went turtle late. We ran the ball on 1st & 2nd down, got a reasonable 3rd & 5 then... False Start #87. The offense failed to convert the 3rd & long. Giving the ball back you have to know Denver is going full tilt their next possession (going for it on 4th down, etc). It's hard enough stopping a team when they have 3 downs to work with. Denver had 4 to convert and they only needed a FG to win. The offense can't give the ball back and be blameless.
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Blameless, no. But they can't be blamed for giving up a 60 yard drive including a 1st & 25 to lose the game.
 
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