Cushing suspended 4 games for violating policy on performance-enhancing substances

[Honoring Earl 34]

Worst possible case .

He does have good football instincts , if he loses a bunch of weight to 215 and keeps his speed , there's your FS .

 

[Hardcore Texan]

I haven't read all the pages on this thread so maybe my question has already been answered but:

It appears that he took whatever it was he took while he was still part of the dirty usc program. Question...Have other drafted players been suspended by the league for something they did in college, ie, before becoming a member (being drafted) of the nfl. Or has Cushing tested positive since being in the nfl?

Not defending his actions, just asking a question.

I would like to know exactly when he tested positive, was it this past Feb?

I'm not morally outraged about it, but I am pissed that he has jeopardized the team's chances at winning those first 4 games. And again, it's all on him. As far as how good he is, maybe the steroids aren't the only reason he was any good, but I'm now in "Show Me" mode with him. His entire rookie season is a fraud as far as I'm concerned, until he proves otherwise.

I hope he does, because we need him.

Yep

So much bullshit in this thread. I should probably just leave the board for a few days and ignore it all but I'm not gonna. I'm pissed about Cushing and I'm even more pissed about all the stupid-ass reactions and ignorance in this thread.


FALSE. Steroids do not increase the rate at which injuries heal. In fact, many experienced steroid users work out LESS often while using. Steroids do not heal bone, ligament, tendon, or scar tissue.



There IS no integrity in pro sports. Everyone freaking uses. Brian Cushing isn't the only LB in the league to use steroids. He is just one that was dumb enough to get caught (****ing hell). This is just like the "security theatre" in airports. Pretend like you are doing something when you know you aren't doing ****. Steroids are everywhere in this sport and all the others. The unfair advantage would be to NOT use them.



You're 33 years old, have a child, and still act like this? Wow.



I bet you if we find out the substance it will be a testosterone derivative. I'm just gonna come out and say it, it wasn't a diuretic or whatever else. And yes, HGH actually does have the injury and recovery benefits that people falsey think steroids do.



Why is it not so forgivable? Maybe you didn't see the things I saw in college and whatnot, and don't realize how widespread steroids are. But let me tell you. Steroids are EVERYWHERE in college football, and I don't have any actual experience to know this but basically everyone that pays attention knows that they are EVERYWHERE in pro football too.



Finally someone that knows what they are talking about. That's right, steroids actually increase the risk of injury in many ways. Cushing being on steroids would be the reason he got hurt, not the reason he recovered from injuries faster.



Now this is just bullshit. You are overreacting and clearly know nothing about what steroids do. The "real" Cushing is the exact same thing we know but 245lbs instead of 265. Steroids don't affect your football instincts or your personality.

Dude weighs freaking 265lbs. If he lost 25 imagine how fast he would be. He'd probably be better in coverage, but not as good at taking on and shedding OL blocks. 240-250 would be better for his longterm health and injuries anyway.



Seriously, where are you getting this from? Making up **** because you're mad doesn't make it true. Yes steroids help you build muscle but in the NFL they aren't providing any kind of advantage because everyone ****ing takes them. Ask any person that has ever used them and they will tell you that steroids are absolutely nothing without the right training and work ethic. One of the most widely accepted anecdotes about steroids is that the gains you make from a steroid cycle are 10% about the drugs and 90% about the diet.



Just bury your head back in the sand and pretend that everyone is clean and the best players aren't the ones who use every opportunity they can to get an edge. Then you can continue to be outraged over this.



EXACTLY.

Again, my guess is he popped for testosterone. Assuming he "stops" using (assuming the results aren't from his USC days and he is actually using now), worst case scenario is he loses 20lbs of muscle and becomes a svelt 245lb linebacker with ridiculous motor and instincts.

And yes, what you said is exactly what worries me and pisses me off about this.

Burying my head in the sand? Get a grip dude, I didn't act blind about the use of steroids. You said you hope he goes back to using, that's just effed up. You obviously don't care about his overall health or him as person to make such at statement.

 

[xreadx]

wait a second...there are players in the NFL who don't use some sort of performance enhancing drug???

 

[xreadx]

"The league doesn't disclose what a player tests positive for. Cushing could have tested positive for steroids, other performance-enhancing drugs, a diuretic or nutritional supplements that are banned by the NFL.

“This is a tough blow for our defense because Brian is such a great player,” middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans said. “We'll work through this adversity, and so will Brian.

“He's our teammate, and we support him. This (suspension) won't have anything to do with his work ethic or how hard he plays when he comes back.”"

chron

 

[Revolution]

A cheater..nothing less than that... say whatever you want, spin it however you want... I am sure some here called Merriman one a few years ago, so please stand true and call Cushing one as well.. Yes, it sucks that one of our own got caught, but he is a cheater, got caught, and now must pay... Your actions now have put a negative spell on my thoughts of how good you really might be.

I refuse to call him a cheater until I have more information. I love how our country has become guilty until proven innocent. You do not even know the circumstances surrounding the suspension.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Barber's response to hearing about this suspension, on his Twitter page pretty much sums it up............."F+*************kkkkkk"

 

[Malloy]

I refuse to call him a cheater until I have more information. I love how our country has become guilty until proven innocent. You do not even know the circumstances surrounding the suspension.

I think you're missing the point here. Not only has he been accused of using it, he's been found guilty already. He tried to appeal but he was turned down.

He's guilty, no more evidence is coming out, the case is closed.

At this point I'm just hoping he's able to come back and actually play.

 

[theanswer000]

Hopefully we pick up a veteran to replace him or someone with experience. I do not trust Sharpton or Adibi.

 

[rmartin65]

I think you're missing the point here. Not only has he been accused of using it, he's been found guilty already. He tried to appeal but he was turned down.

He's guilty, no more evidence is coming out, the case is closed.

At this point I'm just hoping he's able to come back and actually play.

Stop with the logic!

People that gots the Cush love won't accept it. If they do, then they say it does not matter, everyone does it.

 

[awtysst]

Is anyone else TERRIFIED that he'll end up like Merriman?

Pre bust - 18 sacks

Post bust - benched or cut. He had almost as many sacks in his roid years as he did tackles last year.




We DO NOT know the real Cushing at all. What we know is roided Cushing. The real Cushing could suck.

I am not terrified of that becuase I see Cush working VERY hard in the offseason. I never got the sense from Merriman that he was a super hard worker off the field. I think Cush's ability will be somewhat diminished, but if he plays at 75% the level he was before, we could be ok.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I think you're missing the point here. Not only has he been accused of using it, he's been found guilty already. He tried to appeal but he was turned down.

He's guilty, no more evidence is coming out, the case is closed.

At this point I'm just hoping he's able to come back and actually play.

Yep ... he had his trial .

I think that the Texans had to have suspected something . I think a player that's built like a WWF wrestler , is probably getting help .

As a fan , you can't help but feel cheated a bit . Also , you wonder how he plays from here on out . Maybe it'll be alright , who knows .

He is one of those players that are obsessed with being the best and as with all things , sometimes your greatest strengths become your greatest weakness .

 

[rmartin65]

I am not terrified of that becuase I see Cush working VERY hard in the offseason. I never got the sense from Merriman that he was a super hard worker off the field. I think Cush's ability will be somewhat diminished, but if he plays at 75% the level he was before, we could be ok.

75%? No freaking way. The NFL is so talented, there is no way a player can play at 75% and still benefit a team. 75%... jesus people, this man was not, well, Jesus.

 

[xreadx]

You obviously don't care about his overall health or him as person to make such at statement.

the same way cushing doesnt care about my lung cancer I got from messing with the benzene and other additives he pours into his car...take all the roids you want cush and make em pay! just don't get caught next time!!

 

[dalemurphy]

Hopefully we pick up a veteran to replace him or someone with experience. I do not trust Sharpton or Adibi.

His name is Kevin Bentley. He's already on the team.

 

[awtysst]

75%? No freaking way. The NFL is so talented, there is no way a player can play at 75% and still benefit a team. 75%... jesus people, this man was not, well, Jesus.

Um, no. Please read my comment more carefully. I did not say him play at 75% I said play at 75% of what he did LAST season. Cush at 75% what we saw last year is still a solid starter in the NFL.

 

[Revolution]

I think you're missing the point here. Not only has he been accused of using it, he's been found guilty already. He tried to appeal but he was turned down.

He's guilty, no more evidence is coming out, the case is closed.

At this point I'm just hoping he's able to come back and actually play.

I'm not missing the point. The NFL is not a court of law in case you didn't know. We haven't even heard Cushing's side of the story.

No more evidence coming out? We haven't seen any evidence? Sometimes you people just amaze me...

 

[ObsiWan]

Why is it not so forgivable? Maybe you didn't see the things I saw in college and whatnot, and don't realize how widespread steroids are. But let me tell you. Steroids are EVERYWHERE in college football, and I don't have any actual experience to know this but basically everyone that pays attention knows that they are EVERYWHERE in pro football too.


EXACTLY.

Again, my guess is he popped for testosterone. Assuming he "stops" using (assuming the results aren't from his USC days and he is actually using now), worst case scenario is he loses 20lbs of muscle and becomes a svelt 245lb linebacker with ridiculous motor and instincts.

And yes, what you said is exactly what worries me and pisses me off about this.

THIS:

A professional athlete should know the things that are going to set off a positive test result and they should know better than to do those things. And it bothers me that he did something that set off a positive test result. With all the scrutiny he's been under, it couldn't have been a surprise that he was going to be tested. And he should be smart enough not to test positive. That's what bothers me the most.

...is why it's not so forgivable. If, as you assert, steroid use is so widespread, then he, with first round money now at his disposal, should hire trainers/doctors/nutritionists that know what chemicals will trigger a positive result and have them tailor his supplement diet accordingly. He, and his people, should be smart enough not to take the things that test positive.

That is what is most irritating to me.

 

[Revolution]

Stop with the logic!

People that gots the Cush love won't accept it. If they do, then they say it does not matter, everyone does it.

I don't "love" Cushing. I "love" the Texans! And I am not saying what you said. It does matter. Do not put words in my mouth. L O $ E R!

 

[Revolution]

Stop with the logic!

People that gots the Cush love won't accept it. If they do, then they say it does not matter, everyone does it.

I see you have that CLEAN program OU as your avatar. Hypocrite!

 

[rmartin65]

Um, no. Please read my comment more carefully. I did not say him play at 75% I said play at 75% of what he did LAST season. Cush at 75% what we saw last year is still a solid starter in the NFL.

I understood you. Cushing was a beast last year, I agree with that. But Cushing at 75% of what we saw last year is not a solid starter. I am saying the NFL has so much talent, and the difference between players is so much smaller than we all think.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

the same way cushing doesnt care about my lung cancer I got from messing with the benzene and other additives he pours into his car...take all the roids you want cush and make em pay! just don't get caught next time!!

Well, first let me say, I am sorry to hear about your condition, I do hope you are on the road to recovery.

But one does not have anything to do with the other, you know about what he's taking and it's effects on his health and your willing to gloss over it and hope for him to keep using as long he produces on the football field? That's effed up on so many levels.

You can't take a shot at his compassion about something he is not even aware of.

Great philosphy though

 

[NitroGSXR]

75%? No freaking way. The NFL is so talented, there is no way a player can play at 75% and still benefit a team. 75%... jesus people, this man was not, well, Jesus.

No but look at what he was known for... I wouldn't exactly go around calling Brian Cushing a destructive player. He wasn't directly known for highlight bone-crunching hits. I'm not saying he wasn't physical. He was! I feel that he's more of a playmaker sort of guy. This guy's nose for the ball is uncanny. Brian Cushing is a super-alert football player.

I buy the 75% although I'd call that an extremely conservative number. Cushing could put off half his physicality level and play better than a rookie Connor Barwin.

 

[Malloy]

I'm not missing the point. The NFL is not a court of law in case you didn't know. We haven't even heard Cushing's side of the story.

No more evidence coming out? We haven't seen any evidence? Sometimes you people just amaze me...

wth? I'm trying to help and this is what I get?

Sure, we have not heard Cushings side to the story... ultimately it has NO effect if we hear it or not. The powers that be (and yes, I am very well aware that it is NOT a court of law...) have decided he's guilty of using that stuff and he's getting the 4 games suspension. They've abviously seen the evidence and based their verdict on that.

Do I still amaze you??

 

[rmartin65]

No but look at what he was known for... I wouldn't exactly go around calling Brian Cushing a destructive player. He wasn't directly known for highlight bone-crunching hits. I'm not saying he wasn't physical. He was! I feel that he's more of a playmaker sort of guy. This guy's nose for the ball is uncanny. Brian Cushing is a super-alert football player.

I buy the 75% although I'd call that an extremely conservative number. Cushing could put off half his physicality level and play better than a rookie Connor Barwin.

Look, I am not saying that Cushing was not a great player. He was, hell, he was a great player last season. And based on his play, easily deserving of DROY. I thought that his name should have been in the discussion for best LB of the season.

However, he is not so talented that he could play at 3/4ths of his ability. The NFL is simply too talented. And while your argument does have merit (instincts), it is not enough. A player has to have the entire package to be a solid player in this league.

 

[Revolution]

wth? I'm trying to help and this is what I get?

Sure, we have not heard Cushings side to the story... ultimately it has NO effect if we hear it or not. The powers that be (and yes, I am very well aware that it is NOT a court of law...) have decided he's guilty of using that stuff and he's getting the 4 games suspension. They've abviously seen the evidence and based their verdict on that.

Do I still amaze you??

Trying to help? And to answer your question: Yep.

 

[alphajoker]

People make mistakes. I think we all know this. But it's still extremely disheartening to see how fickle and perfidious some on this board are..

As evidenced by the thread in the Draft section about not wanting Cushing before the '09 Draft, his play, attitude, and work ethic won over nearly everyone who was against the pick in the first place. To be honest, even I had concerns about him coming out of college, as I was big on the Clay Matthews wagon. However, the way he came out and took a leadership role on our shell-shocked defense after the first three games and became an instant lightning rod out on the field made me forget all about the rumors swirling around him and just focus on how much better he made our team.

But to see how many users on this board have just completely thrown him under the bus due to the allegations is very sad to see. Nobody has a single clue as to what actually caused him to fail his drug test, and yet everyone immediately knows or assumes the steroids rumors were all true and that he's a cheater and doesn't deserve our sympathy. But seriously, we need to collectively take a breath and a step back from the computer because some of the things people have written just in this thread have been ridiculous.

I've kind of rambled on cause it is 8 in the morning and I have no idea how or why I'm awake after a few hours of sleep, but I just want to know where is the compassion? Where's the forgiveness and the loyalty that us fans all believe we have? Whenever we're talking about people coming from out of town or players drafted to our team, I always see things talking about 'good ole southern hospitality' or something on those lines, and yet, when something like this happens, where does it all go? Where's the basic decency to not kick someone when they're down but to stand by and with them when they need it most?

I don't have the answer, and I guess I'm one of the few, or at least in my mind I suppose, but I just don't understand how we can all love this guy 24 hours ago and now everyone wants to put him to the stake. 21 years old and I'm already jaded with this world, go figure...

Anyways.. the real reason I wanted to post this morning before I started rambling off is that I just wanted to go on the record and say (even though I know he doesn't) if Brian Cushing ever, for whatever reason, checked these boards and somehow came into this thread to see what his fans had to comment, I just want to say that I'm with you. Everyone makes mistakes, and if every time someone made a mistake we just left them out to dry with no support, no good things would ever happen. I've made my share of mistakes, probably a bigger share than most of you proportionate to my age, and I wouldn't of gotten anywhere without the support and love of people close to me. So I just wanted to put it in writing, that you've still got fans out here Cush. You've disappointed us all, but there's plenty of time to make it up to all of us and I'm sure you won't let us down. Stay thirsty my friend.

/rant off


Edit: Go ahead and call me a Smithiak homer or I'm sticking my head in the sand or whatever other names some of y'all come up with, but I've always been loyal to my teams and my players, it kinda comes with the territory of being an A&M fan, so I didn't have any reason to change this time.

This is the first time I've posted in regards to this new issue with Cushing. I couldn't quite figure out how to take this in but I believe you took exactly what thoughts I had running through my mind when I first saw Cushing's suspension and placed them right here. Excellent post and I couldn't agree more!

 

[xreadx]

Well, first let me say, I am sorry to hear about your condition, I do hope you are on the road to recovery.

But one does not have anything to do with the other, you know about what he's taking and it's effects on his health and your willing to gloss over it and hope for him to keep using as long he produces on the football field? That's effed up on so many levels.

You can't take a shot at his compassion about something he is not even aware of.

Great philosphy though

before going to college i am fully aware of the risk i took. so was he. i wouldnt bet a dime that any nfl player is all natural...

 

[rmartin65]

I don't "love" Cushing. I "love" the Texans! And I am not saying what you said. It does matter. Do not put words in my mouth. L O $ E R!

Dude, calm down. Sorry I offended you, but the way people are replying, I feel that people are not holding Cushing accountable for what he did. If this was not you, then I apologize.

By the way, if you want to call me a loser, have the stones to actually right the entire word. Like I give a **** about what someone on the internet thinks of me.

I see you have that CLEAN program OU as your avatar. Hypocrite!

What does me liking Oklahoma have to do anything with it? I admit it when the get caught cheating, and had no problem with the punishment the NCAA dished out. How am I being hypocritical?

 

[NitroGSXR]

Look, I am not saying that Cushing was not a great player. He was, hell, he was a great player last season. And based on his play, easily deserving of DROY. I thought that his name should have been in the discussion for best LB of the season.

However, he is not so talented that he could play at 3/4ths of his ability. The NFL is simply too talented. And while your argument does have merit (instincts), it is not enough. A player has to have the entire package to be a solid player in this league.

I agree that a player has to have the total package but I didn't read it as to him playing at 75% of his ability. I read it to be as if the steroids affected his play by all that much. I don't think it will affect his keen sense for the ball as much as that number sounded. Cushing should still be a premiere player sans the roids. He is that much better of a player.

 

[rmartin65]

I agree that a player has to have the total package but I didn't read it as to him playing at 75% of his ability. I read it to be as if the steroids affected his play by all that much. I don't think it will affect his keen sense for the ball as much as that number sounded. Cushing should still be a premiere player sans the roids. He is that much better of a player.

Ah, then I agree with you there. I probably should have clarified what I meant. I do not think that steroids gave Cushing special powers. I think they may have boosted his play a bit, but not enough to ruin his game without them.

I was simply refuting that Cushing at 75% would be a solid starter.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

People make mistakes. I think we all know this. But it's still extremely disheartening to see how fickle and perfidious some on this board are..

As evidenced by the thread in the Draft section about not wanting Cushing before the '09 Draft, his play, attitude, and work ethic won over nearly everyone who was against the pick in the first place. To be honest, even I had concerns about him coming out of college, as I was big on the Clay Matthews wagon. However, the way he came out and took a leadership role on our shell-shocked defense after the first three games and became an instant lightning rod out on the field made me forget all about the rumors swirling around him and just focus on how much better he made our team.

But to see how many users on this board have just completely thrown him under the bus due to the allegations is very sad to see. Nobody has a single clue as to what actually caused him to fail his drug test, and yet everyone immediately knows or assumes the steroids rumors were all true and that he's a cheater and doesn't deserve our sympathy. But seriously, we need to collectively take a breath and a step back from the computer because some of the things people have written just in this thread have been ridiculous.

I've kind of rambled on cause it is 8 in the morning and I have no idea how or why I'm awake after a few hours of sleep, but I just want to know where is the compassion? Where's the forgiveness and the loyalty that us fans all believe we have? Whenever we're talking about people coming from out of town or players drafted to our team, I always see things talking about 'good ole southern hospitality' or something on those lines, and yet, when something like this happens, where does it all go? Where's the basic decency to not kick someone when they're down but to stand by and with them when they need it most?

I don't have the answer, and I guess I'm one of the few, or at least in my mind I suppose, but I just don't understand how we can all love this guy 24 hours ago and now everyone wants to put him to the stake. 21 years old and I'm already jaded with this world, go figure...

Anyways.. the real reason I wanted to post this morning before I started rambling off is that I just wanted to go on the record and say (even though I know he doesn't) if Brian Cushing ever, for whatever reason, checked these boards and somehow came into this thread to see what his fans had to comment, I just want to say that I'm with you. Everyone makes mistakes, and if every time someone made a mistake we just left them out to dry with no support, no good things would ever happen. I've made my share of mistakes, probably a bigger share than most of you proportionate to my age, and I wouldn't of gotten anywhere without the support and love of people close to me. So I just wanted to put it in writing, that you've still got fans out here Cush. You've disappointed us all, but there's plenty of time to make it up to all of us and I'm sure you won't let us down. Stay thirsty my friend.

/rant off


Edit: Go ahead and call me a Smithiak homer or I'm sticking my head in the sand or whatever other names some of y'all come up with, but I've always been loyal to my teams and my players, it kinda comes with the territory of being an A&M fan, so I didn't have any reason to change this time.

AMEN! Rep points coming your way.

I'm seeing people here jumping to conclusions for no ass reason. We don't even know what drug he took. Plus, we all know he DOES have great work ethic. It's going to sting not having him the first four games, and they are some big ones, too (Colts, Redskins, and Cowboys especially), but it only means we need someone else (Sharpton?) to step up to the plate and fill in nicely.

People think our season is over. That's just funny to me.

 

[NitroGSXR]

AMEN! Rep points coming your way.

I'm seeing people here jumping to conclusions for no ass reason. We don't even know what drug he took. Plus, we all know he DOES have great work ethic. It's going to sting not having him the first four games, and they are some big ones, too (Colts, Redskins, and Cowboys especially), but it only means we need someone else (Sharpton?) to step up to the plate and fill in nicely.

People think our season is over. That's just funny to me.

I think our season's over with or without Cushing just by looking at the strength of our schedule alone. We share the #1 toughest in the NFL. Kubiak doesn't have the stones for it.

 

[wagonhed]

I agree with those people that said he should have his DROY award taken away and given to the next best player, who didn't have to CHEAT his way to playing in the NFL.

Oh wait...

errrrr ****...

 

[Wolf]

People make mistakes. I think we all know this. But it's still extremely disheartening to see how fickle and perfidious some on this board are..

As evidenced by the thread in the Draft section about not wanting Cushing before the '09 Draft, his play, attitude, and work ethic won over nearly everyone who was against the pick in the first place. To be honest, even I had concerns about him coming out of college, as I was big on the Clay Matthews wagon. However, the way he came out and took a leadership role on our shell-shocked defense after the first three games and became an instant lightning rod out on the field made me forget all about the rumors swirling around him and just focus on how much better he made our team.

But to see how many users on this board have just completely thrown him under the bus due to the allegations is very sad to see. Nobody has a single clue as to what actually caused him to fail his drug test, and yet everyone immediately knows or assumes the steroids rumors were all true and that he's a cheater and doesn't deserve our sympathy. But seriously, we need to collectively take a breath and a step back from the computer because some of the things people have written just in this thread have been ridiculous.

I've kind of rambled on cause it is 8 in the morning and I have no idea how or why I'm awake after a few hours of sleep, but I just want to know where is the compassion? Where's the forgiveness and the loyalty that us fans all believe we have? Whenever we're talking about people coming from out of town or players drafted to our team, I always see things talking about 'good ole southern hospitality' or something on those lines, and yet, when something like this happens, where does it all go? Where's the basic decency to not kick someone when they're down but to stand by and with them when they need it most?

I don't have the answer, and I guess I'm one of the few, or at least in my mind I suppose, but I just don't understand how we can all love this guy 24 hours ago and now everyone wants to put him to the stake. 21 years old and I'm already jaded with this world, go figure...

Anyways.. the real reason I wanted to post this morning before I started rambling off is that I just wanted to go on the record and say (even though I know he doesn't) if Brian Cushing ever, for whatever reason, checked these boards and somehow came into this thread to see what his fans had to comment, I just want to say that I'm with you. Everyone makes mistakes, and if every time someone made a mistake we just left them out to dry with no support, no good things would ever happen. I've made my share of mistakes, probably a bigger share than most of you proportionate to my age, and I wouldn't of gotten anywhere without the support and love of people close to me. So I just wanted to put it in writing, that you've still got fans out here Cush. You've disappointed us all, but there's plenty of time to make it up to all of us and I'm sure you won't let us down. Stay thirsty my friend.

/rant off


Edit: Go ahead and call me a Smithiak homer or I'm sticking my head in the sand or whatever other names some of y'all come up with, but I've always been loyal to my teams and my players, it kinda comes with the territory of being an A&M fan, so I didn't have any reason to change this time.

good post.. try looking at his facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/sbrownharding?v=wall&story_fbid=1350734083441#!/briancushing56?ref=ts

lynch mob is out also

I am trying to keep an open mind right now and see what or if the facts come out.

did Brian knowingly take a steriod or was it in a supplement that a banned ingredient wasn't listed ( like the starcaps case) ?



I

 

[Wolf]

I agree with those people that said he should have his DROY award taken away and given to the next best player, who didn't have to CHEAT his way to playing in the NFL.

Oh wait...

errrrr ****...

don't you want to say Brian is this guy ?

 

[ObsiWan]

AMEN! Rep points coming your way.

I'm seeing people here jumping to conclusions for no ass reason. We don't even know what drug he took. Plus, we all know he DOES have great work ethic. It's going to sting not having him the first four games, and they are some big ones, too (Colts, Redskins, and Cowboys especially), but it only means we need someone else (Sharpton?) to step up to the plate and fill in nicely.

People think our season is over. That's just funny to me.

You're ignoring the fact that he got busted back in Jan/Feb and that he appealed in Feb. I wouldn't call that "no ass reason". And I've been asking what chemicals he got busted for since this story first broke.

And I still wonder - I asked like 12 pages back - who will get his first team reps during OTAs and T/C? Would you waste first team reps in July/August on a guy who you knew won't be available until October?

I'm thinking I'd use those reps to get his stand-in ready for the opener.

 

[BigBull17]

I agree completely. You know what's pathetic we refuse to sign guys like Antonio Cromartie because of supposed "character" issues off the field but the truth is that he'll produce and play every game unless he is hurt while our star Rookie of the Year LB who was "clean enough" for Jesus McNair and Pope Kubiak will miss a QUARTER of the season for basically cheating. The Texans front office is an absurd joke. I don't care how many illegitimate kids a football player has on my team as long as we WIN.

**** "character", all I want is a PLAYOFF BERTH DAMN IT. Where is the God damned urgency in the Texans front office. This needs to be states in all caps damn it, WE ARE GOING ON YEAR 17 OF NO NFL PLAYOFFS IN HOUSTON.

Bob McNair you dumbass address that ****ing crisis NOW before worrying about getting good little Christian boys on your NFL team. What a joke.

Cromartie is a freakin joke. He is one of the reasons that team has under achieved year in and year out. People say quit signing chior boys, but really look at who wins. They arent stacked full of POS humans. Steelers did, but Ben wasnt Rapethisburger yet and Holmes was sent packing a year later cause the Steelers don't put up with that ****. Teams who sign aholes don't win a ****ing thing. Period.

 

[ObsiWan]

Oh and so much for a dull, boring, nothing-to-talk-about period until OTAs start

 

[wagonhed]

Burying my head in the sand? Get a grip dude, I didn't act blind about the use of steroids. You said you hope he goes back to using, that's just effed up. You obviously don't care about his overall health or him as person to make such at statement.

Everyone that plays football is risking their long term health. Football is life for Cushing (I'm guessing) and he has dedicated himself to it. So yes, I hope he continues to use, because he is a grown man and has made the choice for himself to play football and I hope he does what it takes to be the absolute best at what he does. If he never uses again he will be at a huge disadvantage and in all likelihood become a mediocre or even bad player compared to what is the norm in the NFL. I don't think he wants that for himself, as a person, and neither do I.

 

[BigBull17]

I still get depressed reading negative post after negative post from you. I don't think I've read one positive thing you've had to say about the Texans....err wait a minute I thought you were Second Honeymoon!

In all seriousness though, this "McNair is cheap" and "McNair doesn't care about winning" has gotten really old. I understand the fans that do nothing but spout this are tired from all the seasons with no playoff appearences... I get that and I can completely sympothize with you all.

But the truth is McNair wants a winner so bad. He's just going about trying to get this team to the right place a different way than a lot of fans want. It's brought up that McNair is just happy earning money every year and doesn't care about making the Texans better. That's complete and utter B.S. McNair has everything to gain by turning this organization into a perennial playoff/superbowl contender. Profits on an annual basis will soar once the team can accomplish this as will the overall investment value in his ownership. He has every reason to turn this into a championship team and anyone who thinks he doesn't care.... well we won't go there.

Must spread rep.

 

[HJam72]

OK, no more roids. Just take HGH injections and speed on game day.

 

[awtysst]

This is the first time I've posted in regards to this new issue with Cushing. I couldn't quite figure out how to take this in but I believe you took exactly what thoughts I had running through my mind when I first saw Cushing's suspension and placed them right here. Excellent post and I couldn't agree more!

See here is where we disagree. I do not cheer for players, I cheer for the Texans. I don't care who is on the Texans. I don't care either way for Cushing. I have never met the guy and likely never will. I care about the Team, so when I read stories like this I wonder how the TEAM will be affected. I don't care how Cush personally will be affected. I don't care if his feelings are hurt or if he feels the fan base has turned on him. Quiet frankly I do not care bout any of the players. I care solely about the Team. No player is above the team and no player is irreplaceable. I will be a Texans fan long after Cush or any of the current players have retired.

 

[steelbtexan]

When Romanowski got off the roids it didn't seem to hurt his on field production.

I expect the same for Cushing.

Roids are not the red herring some make them out to be.

Alot of doctors prescribe them to the elderly to help with healing/allergies other health problems.

 

[Wolf]

The league doesn't disclose what a player tests positive for. Cushing could have tested positive for steroids, other performance-enhancing drugs, a diuretic or nutritional supplements that are banned by the NFL.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6995505.html

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

For those who are fine with Cushing (or any other NFL player) taking and continuing to take steroids (if that is indeed true in his case)....................
When an athlete enters the NFL, they SIGN and AGREE to ABIDE BY the policies put forth by the NFL. By MUTUAL AGREEMENT their choice, in such matters as concerns these policies, to do as they wish or as they think are "best for them" CEASES at that point.

You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.
-------------------------- Albert Einstein

 

[Mailman]

I followed this thread since last night when the shocking news broke but couldn't bring myself to post my thoughts because they consisted of nothing but a long string of expletives.

Now I'm just flat out depressed and demoralized about it, not just because of the potential effect of losing a key defensive player for the first four weeks (and one huge divisional game) but mostly because of how we will never hear the end of it from the clowns who mock and deride the Houston Texans.

I've never been one of those fans who gets highly agitated about drug use in pro sports because I accept it as a given. There's too much money at stake for players across all sports to not seek out every advantage possible. Nevertheless, I do not expect to hear about the players I root for failing a drug test, especially when it involves a guy who was as dogged by roid rumors as Brian Cushing.

He is now tainted forever. No matter how it goes from here, his play will always be linked to this failed drug test. If he plays at or beyond the level he set his rookie season, many will say he's a juicer who learned how not to get caught. If he fails to live up to his DROY season, he will always been thought of as a fraud who only played that well because he took performance-enhancing drugs.

What a shame.

 

[False Start]

Kind of like Shawne Merriman's career is tainted and thought of as a fraud......

 

[Mailman]

Kind of like Shawne Merriman's career is tainted and thought of as a fraud......

Yeah, exactly. Merriman is tainted, too, even though he doesn't matter to me at all.

What I hate about this is the ammunition it gives the haters, particularly those asshole UT homers who only root for the Titans because they draft Longhorns. We Texans fans will never hear the end of it, and it's all because Brian Cushing was stupid enough to not only use a banned substance, but to also get caught for it.

Brian Cushing went from a guy who I could always point to in defense of the Texans brain trust to a bit of a taboo player. Now, no matter what I say about Cushing's greatness as a player, his critics can always play the PED card.

Fan****ingtastic.

 

[eriadoc]

Having read this entire thread, I felt the need to at least throw out some facts in order to avoid some common misconceptions that may be surrounding steroids, and what effects it may have on Cushing’s return.

Steroids have a significant negative impact on the male hormone testosterone. Impotence is very common side effect and may happen during or after steroid use. Steroids shut down the body’s production of testosterone and when it is stopped, the low testosterone levels take a long time to recuperate to normal levels. Many steroid users never regain normal testosterone levels. That’s why commonly there is permanent shrinking of the testicles, decrease in libido, impotence, and the maintenance of “man boobs.” The man boobs” appear because with low testosterone, there is a relative increase of circulating estrogens present........thus bringing out your “feminine side.”is more likely to occur after stopping steroids, as your body tries to recuperate it’s natural testosterone levels.

Research is pretty clear that steroids are directly damaging to tendons specifically. To make matters worse, the large increases in strength and weight gain on cycle can cause greater risk of injury to these same tendons. Usually tendons don’t have enough time to adjust to the these gains. As an aside, it must be mentioned that the use of steroids can make an athlete (especially a "workout warrior") feel stronger than they actually are, resulting in trying to lift heavier weights than their body is actually capable of, which can lead to muscle tears.

Furthermore, NO injury heals quicker or better while on steroids. Steroids blunt the inflammatory processes which not only are strongly involved in fighting infection but are primary in the basic healing phenomenon.
Again, keep in mind, steroids have a negative feedback mechanism to the production of testosterone. What is interesting is that if you gained muscle off a recent steroid cycle and kept it, it will be very much harder to gain muscle naturally on top of that new muscle. On the other hand, if you damaged your testosterone levels from steroid abuse long term, yes it will be even harder to gain muscle naturally in the future, and almost impossible for some if steroids are discontinued permanently. This is a reason that some athletes are so willing and desperate to find ways to maintain their “habit,” despite the possible severe consequences of being caught.

IF Cushing has been on steroids, it is to be seen if “The Beast” returns, or his feminine side appears.

This should be required reading for anyone planning to click "Reply" in this thread.

 

[False Start]

Yeah, exactly. Merriman is tainted, too, even though he doesn't matter to me at all.

What I hate about this is the ammunition it gives the haters, particularly those asshole UT homers who only root for the Titans because they draft Longhorns. We Texans fans will never hear the end of it, and it's all because Brian Cushing was stupid enough to not only use a banned substance, but to also get caught for it.

Brian Cushing went from a guy who I could always point to in defense of the Texans brain trust to a bit of a taboo player. Now, no matter what I say about Cushing's greatness as a player, his critics can always play the PED card.

Fan****ingtastic.

Yeah, I feel ya man. Hes still a bad mofo, but he will be the version of Bill Romanowski.