Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I think the Packer game showed very good improvement on his part. Us not moving it well had little to do with him and his play and more to do with our inability to run it, and various miscues by the o-line and WR’s.
Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!
30 is the new 20: Green Bay Packers
- Thread starter thunderkyss
- Start date
I think the Packer game showed very good improvement on his part. Us not moving it well had little to do with him and his play and more to do with our inability to run it, and various miscues by the o-line and WR’s.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Russ had the benefit of a top level defense and a beast run game for at least his 1st 3-4 years early on. When he didn’t have that for a few years his numbers improved but the team’s records and playoff successes looked eerily similar to DW4’s now. Fans also started grumbling about him “not giving up on plays” and missing guys.
Last edited:
Last edited:
Far from elite, which many on here think he is.
I'm not saying you're one of those guys that said he's elite.
I gotta imagine that play goes for 30 in practice against our defense. Can’t imagine any other reason for them to call it so often in a game.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
A little ironic you are here assuming what they called, when not hours ago you were roasting people for saying Watson and Fuller were not on the same page, when we visibly saw Watson correcting Fuller after the play to sit in the zone. Pot meet kettle.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
They said dallas has had a different starting 5 every week. There is the root of their problems. Now with rookie qb. Man it crashed and burned for the cowboys this year
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not ironic unless you believe in broadcaster's mind reading ability.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Watson was signaling to Fuller exactly what he wanted, that isn’t mind reading. If anyone is mind reading or guessing, it would be you when you claim not throwing to our TEs wasn’t part of our game plan. You nor I have any idea what the game plan was
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Elite is relative. Most would consider Rodgers elite..he looked anything but today despite throwing for 4 TD's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You saying stats are misleading is actually a disservice to the entire team and the adjustments they made after the half. They came out and got some stops on defense and the offense was able to put some drives together. I’ve seen teams do this all the time. The Texans were up I want to say 20+ points t 0 on the a Saints, they made adjustments and came back and won that game. The Texans were up big on Seattle some years back . In the 2nd half Wilson and crew went to work. Another comeback for the opposing team. I can on and on. I’ve seen some games which teams were behind and in the second half made it very competitive.
So does this apply TK or is it only for Watson and the Texans.
So does this apply TK or is it only for Watson and the Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Some people really take examples the wrong way. Gzzzzzz I was not comparing Watson to him. Only the freaking style of keeping plays alive.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Curious, if no TE was targeted four quarters is that not an indicator? I heard no comment here during game or from talking heads during broadcast or radio guys afterwards that Packers took our TE out of game. We seem to have Fells only.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
One week Watson is all over his TEs, the next they get ignored. Are we really implying some games Watson chooses, on his own, to ignore his tight ends?
It’s been a theme as long as OB has been around (now Kelly). The tight ends go largely ignored in this offense.
Agreed,
Yet the Pack still managed to put up 35 on the Texans.
The Pack took their foot off of the gas a little bit in the 2nd half. IMHO
It was never really a game in the 2nd half.
Oh... the days.....
HWSNBN...... was I ever truly that young, energized and optimistic about my team?.....
....... waving Texans cane at teenagers on my lawn....."Go on, GIT!!".
Why learn? it only encourages progress. ..
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Neither was Tannehill until he ended up in a much better situation. When Tannehill was with Miami, he played like shite and fans wanted him out of there. He came to a much better situation where they never expected him to start. He was coming in as insurance and clipboard man for Mariota. Mariota sucked so bad that Titans fans lost hope in him and Tannehill took advantage of his NEW situation.
Watson has never had a better situation.....and his current situation is going to be about survival until 2022. Like I stated in another post, your observations of Watson are highly skewed b/c you watch him with blinders and refuse to acknowledge the shoulder high pile shite around him and that, unfortunately, can't even be used to describe the defense who can't seem to hold any lead that is given to them in tightly contested games.
Tannehill, coming off his final game for Miami is available and based solely on his Miami resume.....are you trading Watson for Tannehill, straight up? And if you were granted your unreasonable wish, what would Tannehill have done with the Texans that Watson didn't?
There's a difference .... It tells ownership that a reboot is needed , not just a tweak or two.
Tannehill and DW4 were in comparable situations. I just happen to think Tannehill is better. People were saying the same thing about the talent around Mariota until Tannehill came along. I also think DW4 has much better weapons around him than Tannehill ever did in Miami. Just compare the Texans WR's to the WR's that Tannehill had in Mia. Stills was his WR1.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
You gotta be kidding. Rodgers and every other qb with a hint of mobility will do that to buy more time.
A 5 second YouTube search and you can easily find plays with him “runnng in circles” to avoid pressure. Pretty sure Russel Wilson and Pat Mahomes have several of those types of plays as well.
There’s a few plays in that short highlight where he does the running in circle thing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If sitting in the zone is what Watson was wanting, Watson had already released the ball aimed at the target where he expected Fuller to be (if you want to call it sitting in the zone)...........he threw the ball behind where Fuller actually would have been if he sat in the zone............and it would have still been deflected.
I don't need to be a mind reader to know that no team with TEs out there out there game plans to exclude them from the receiving game..............especially when you have Fells who has 16 receptions for 14.6 yd per receptions with 3 TDs in the previous 6 games.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Wow ok lol
amazing80
Hall of Fame
So it’s your opinion that Watson is just choosing to ignore his TE’s from one week to the next?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yes.
Even if the TE wasn't in the gameplan (Which I dont believe for a moment that to be the case) the TE is usually who the QB will look to 1st as a checkdown option. Y'all remember all of the short little passes Ryan Griffen used to catch.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Fair enough. I disagree 100%
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
He means to literally slide so you don’t get flatten by the defense. The very rare times Brady runs you will see him slide every time.
But I do see Watson slide now and then.
Exactly
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I wasn’t the one that said he never does it though I will say the number of times he slides Vs. taking the hit is tipped the wrong direction.
Since a picture might not capture your point.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not a mind reader, I just use information and logic based on my many discussions with coaches and scouting personnel. Game planning/scheme doesn't ever exclude TEs as an option for receiving unless the team has no receiving TEs. If you aren't, I am finished with this discussion.So, it's your turn to be the mind reader?
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
I see him slide and run out of bounds a lot more than people seem to think.
Not a mind reader, I just use information and logic based on my many discussions with coaches and scouting personnel. Game planning/scheme doesn't ever exclude TEs as an option for receiving unless the team has no receiving TEs. If you aren't, I am finished with this discussion.
Was there Any TE targets in this game ? I don't recall a single one.
Texansballer74
The Marine
These agenda driven folks tries to come up with everything they can find negative to this kids game.
Un-freakin-believable.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If that bum Russel Wilson hadn’t thrown all those picks tonight, they wouldn’t be in OT tonight.
Amazing how some of y’all on one of the few good players on this team.
Nobody goes out there and plays a perfect game. Aaron Rodgers had some throws he wished he had back in that game.
This team is too bad in a thousand other places to be throwing it all on the QB. Could he stand to play better? Sure. But considering the situation he’s in with the state of this franchise, he still completed 74% of his passes, threw for over 300 yards, threw multiple TD passes, and didn’t turn the ball over. I just don’t get why some are so he’ll bent to hate on the guy like that. That makes no sense.
Amazing how some of y’all on one of the few good players on this team.
Nobody goes out there and plays a perfect game. Aaron Rodgers had some throws he wished he had back in that game.
This team is too bad in a thousand other places to be throwing it all on the QB. Could he stand to play better? Sure. But considering the situation he’s in with the state of this franchise, he still completed 74% of his passes, threw for over 300 yards, threw multiple TD passes, and didn’t turn the ball over. I just don’t get why some are so he’ll bent to hate on the guy like that. That makes no sense.
Last edited by a moderator:
Quit calling him a kid like he's some wet behind the ears rookie. I think you think describing him in that way makes his limitations more palatable. It doesn't.
He's a grown azz man who's started dozens of NFL games.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
For me it’s not about hating on Watson. I don’t expect him to win on his on and it’s not the team losing games that worries me, with this team right now I expect that. That being said though I also know that pretty much everyone is on the chomping block except him, and maybe Tunsil, and that the team will be built completely around him. That’s fine but if we are going to do that and pay him like a franchise QB then yes I expect him to play like a franchise QB.
And no that doesn’t mean play perfectly but it does mean improving and not making the same mistakes he made his rookie year. People on here keep saying he has improved and in some ways yes but not as much as I would hope for. He still holds it to long, he still doesn’t target the short game and he still thinks he can escape from anything.
If I sound tough on him is because I think he’s one of the only players on this team worth a damn and of that short list the only one that can make a difference. Of the rest of the team about 45 of them I have written off as trade or cut bait at best so I don’t care if they improve because I don’t think they can. Watson I still think could improve and it frustrates the hell out of me that he doesn’t seem to being doing so in the areas it counts most.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The reasoning so far:
1. His contract
2. He didn’t target the Tight Ends
3. He has to play like a Super Hero ( even though those same people complained when he was trying to be the hero)
4. He wasn’t some of their picks
5. His contract will eat up too much of the cap.
6. He’s not running the ball like he should.
7. He’s too friendly
Yeah, a great season if you like a 1-6 record and 2/3 of his production coming when the game is already out of reach. Simpletons rejoice over the empty stats he puts up each week.
He certainly is the best in the league at calling his own number and throwing TD passes from the 3 yard line or keeping it and running it in from the 1 while his team is getting it's brains beat in, i'll give him that. No wonder no running backs want to play here.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’re on ignore for a reason
Decim8
Veteran
I find that quite strange though, watson always has a shot or two at his T.E. Was it part of the game plan that they weren't the first read?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
The excuses so far
1. Bill O’Brien
2. The scheme is wrong for him
3. The Oline is bad
4. The defense is bad
5. There is no running game
6. He doesn’t have Hopkins
7. The WRs can’t catch
8. We apparently don’t even have TEs on the field at least that’s how it sounds
9. There is no one open
10. He’s just trying to win
Decim8
Veteran
Haven't our RBs been stuffed at the goal line a few times this year though? Ive always like the idea of watson in the shot gun/pistol, spread formation in the red zone
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Seriously. Why does every thread derail into a DW4 thread? There are way too many problems with this team before we even get to the QB. The inability to run the ball, and poor tackling, should be front & foremost. Yet, we wanna waste all this time discussing why DW didn't throw the ball to any TEs?
1 and 5 are the same and why I dont think he will ever win a championship.