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2024 Draft Talk

steelbtexan said:
What range do you think he will be picked in?
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WAG.. if his knee holds uprest of year..

Late round 1? Tankathon.com has him about where I would put him at 29. I just don't see him having good 2023.

Let's bring this up after his game against Alabama as that should give us a lot more information. If I were advising this young man I would probably encourage him to go back to LSU for his junior year. The best thing in his behalf is it's such a weak year in 2024 draft for his position.
 
steelbtexan said:
Even though this thread was in the wrong forum, I like this because the thread got more traffic. That's a good thing, IMHO. Oh well what's done is done, to each their own.
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I agree with @steelbtexan. It was getting more traffic. I appreciated it.
I’ll visit this thread no matter which forum it’s in, but it’s nice when there is more content because of the traffic.
 
leebigeztx said:
Yep, something doesn't look right with him. Maybe he's favoring that injury or something. He's going to get drafted in the 1st rd because of his tools and potential.
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On another note, have you noticed that Hyatt is turning into a big time play maker?

NYG gotta get OL Thomas healthy and I would move Neal to LG.
 
leebigeztx said:
Moving a guy drafted top 10 as a tackle to play guard sounds like a bad pick.
Hyatt is who I thought he was, a big play threat who can out run coverage. That's why I wanted the Texans to draft him. I like Dell too.
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Just depends on how good he would be at LG

I'm thinking Barkley running behind Thomas, Neal,Schmitz could lead to really good things.
 
leebigeztx said:
If you double his targets, you probably double his production. He's always going to be a high ypc guy unless his qb is garbage. He dictates coverage with his speed
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Potential he has, proven he is not
 
JB said:
sigh... semantics rule
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There's facts then There's you throwing "semantics " around... frequently.

JB said:
The pick they got in the Hopkins trade was last year and they used it to get Cooks
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badboy said:
IIRC the second we got for Hopkins was used to draft Blacklock. Houston used 2.57 their own round two for trade to get Cooks and a fourth round.
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JB said:
well the extra pick was used for Cooks semantics aside
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One example
 
JB said:
So using a word on Dec 10, 2020 and on Oct 23, 2023 is using it frequently? :ok:
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I knew I should have copied each one of the responses you had using that word and I just was too lazy. LOL even you should realize you used it much more than that. Anyone can look it up. Thunderkyss was a prime recipient of your comments.
 
badboy said:
I knew I should have copied each one of the responses you had using that word and I just was too lazy. LOL even you should realize you used it much more than that. Anyone can look it up. Thunderkyss was a prime recipient of your comments.
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I didn't know you had a problem with a word you have used yourself...

JB said:
I don't think a coach makes a determination of a players worth based on a single snap or 3 games either
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badboy said:
Semantics
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Any other words that bother you? Should I ask you for permission before using?
 
steelbtexan said:
Just depends on how good he would be at LG

I'm thinking Barkley running behind Thomas, Neal,Schmitz could lead to really good things.
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Unless Neal becomes a all pro at guard, that was a bad pick. Leonard Williams and Robert Gallery turned into good pros, but they were drafted that high because they were supposed to be all pro or at least probowl caliber qb protectors. Neither were, but they had solid careers at guard.
 
leebigeztx said:
Unless Neal becomes a all pro at guard, that was a bad pick. Leonard Williams and Robert Gallery turned into good pros, but they were drafted that high because they were supposed to be all pro or at least probowl caliber qb protectors. Neither were, but they had solid careers at guard.
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The question at this point is, would an OL of Thomas/Neal/Schmitz/Glowinsik/Pugh be better than what they are currently putting out there.
 
leebigeztx said:
Unless Neal becomes a all pro at guard, that was a bad pick. Leonard Williams and Robert Gallery turned into good pros, but they were drafted that high because they were supposed to be all pro or at least probowl caliber qb protectors. Neither were, but they had solid careers at guard.
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Leonard Williams the defensive end?
Wasn't Gallery drafted to be a tackle and was considered to be a bust before he was moved to guard?
 
My early thoughts for the next draft at this point:
Sure would be nice to have a true #1 weapon for CJ to throw to.
I think Will Anderson will continue to develop and Jonathan Greenard is playing well but you can never have enough pass rush help.
CBs ditto. Our Corners could do with a quality upgrade but that might happen via trade.
Our run game is just not where it needs to be to give CJ the help he needs to develop properly so a mean azz guard plus a stud horse to pound the rock are on my wish list. I like Green but so far he has not met expectations.
 
Texansphan said:
My early thoughts for the next draft at this point:
Sure would be nice to have a true #1 weapon for CJ to throw to.
I think Will Anderson will continue to develop and Jonathan Greenard is playing well but you can never have enough pass rush help.
CBs ditto. Our Corners could do with a quality upgrade but that might happen via trade.
Our run game is just not where it needs to be to give CJ the help he needs to develop properly so a mean azz guard plus a stud horse to pound the rock are on my wish list. I like Green but so far he has not met expectations.
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I agree with all of your assessment.
Depending on where we end up drafting is how I would assess priority. I think the top WRs will fly off the board within the 1st 15 picks. If we miss Coleman, Odunze, and Nabers, I might aim to get a WR in round 2 and look at other needs in round 1.

I think next offseason is going to be a lot of fun because we have cap space in FA as well as deep draft class at multiple positions.
 
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badboy said:
We are full of guys with little or no NFL history with serious concerns of injury. In addition, the knee of Tunsil could remain an issue or lead to contra lateral problems.

I don't see a 1st but if Beebe Cooper is selected in round 2, I would understand.
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Having watched Cooper now I am not optimistic about him working in our offensive scheme.
 
Many due to other needs in the 1st think he will drop to the top half of the 2nd. Would you take him? I think it could allow us a great CB and a stop gap if Stingley is going to be injury prone.
NFL Mock Draft
22. Houston Texans (via CLE)
Denzel Burke CB, Ohio State
Fluidity, athleticism, and instincts. Those are three words that come to mind when you study Denzel Burke. Outside of Derek Stingley Jr., the Texans have to figure out who’s who within their corners room. Burke would provide an immediate starter with years of Power 5 experience under his belt. He has 21 PBUs thus far in his collegiate career.
 
It would be great to add a CB. This way we can watch the Texans score 13 pts against the Panthers and lose low scoring games every week.

With that said, The strength of this draft is the WR's. So hopefully they draft to the strength of the draft. But if CB is the BPA then that's the direction I hope they go in.
 
steelbtexan said:
It would be great to add a CB. This way we can watch the Texans score 13 pts against the Panthers and lose low scoring games every week.

With that said, The strength of this draft is the WR's. So hopefully they draft to the strength of the draft. But if CB is the BPA then that's the direction I hope they go in.
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Young threw a few INTs IF we had 1 or 2 really good CBs he may not have been able to throw a TD if it was picked off prior to that situation. WR is not that bad, but I don't mind having another. However, DT is a huge need. If you can stop the run and with the right DT even have another pass rusher. You make the opponent have to throw to win. And our DEs and LBs can no question get to the QB making it hard for them already. If the secondary is also a dangerous place to get passes completions...you are going to win the trench battle and most likely the game.

As someone pointed out, if DP can't get up to speed on the system. We will need a RB as well. Not sure if he just isn't understanding what to do or if he is not properly following his assessment. Either way it needs fixed or much as I like DP, he needs replacing with someone more familiar with the system
 
badboy said:
If we could get Odunza in round 1 and Legette round 2. 42 ish would you?
We have other needs but it would be difficult to not take these two Playmakers if available.
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Who would you have to pass on is that what would be best for your team?
 
I would take take WR- Leggett (S CAR) and RB- Trey Benson (FL ST) in RD’s 1 and 2 based on how they fall. 2 big and fast assets for the offense could be enough to push them over the top offensively.
 
JB said:
Who would you have to pass on is that what would be best for your team?
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Possibly Kamren Kitchens safety; Bralen Trice edge; Cooper Beebe OG and TreVeon Henderson RB.

Depending on our spot, all may be gone but only Kitchens causes me pause as he is very good safety. I think he has skill set, speed and good size to play cornerback.
2 Playmakers like Odunze and Legette would be amazing. Still our receiving group looking good these last two games.
 
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badboy said:
Possibly Kamren Kitchens safetey; Bralen Trice edge; Cooper Beebe OG and TreVeon Henderson RB.

Depending on our spot, all may be gone but only Kitchens causes me pause as he is very good safety. I think he has skill set, speed and good size to play cornerback.
2 Playmakers like Odunze and Legette would be amazing. Still our receiving group looking good these last two games.
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Beebe has that nasty trenchman attitude as well. I’d definitely take him if he’s on the board in the mid rounds.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Beebe has that nasty trenchman attitude as well. I’d definitely take him if he’s on the board in the mid rounds.
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My concern is he may not fit in this offensive scheme as he is really good in a telephone booth. Hopefully Patterson and Juice Scruggs will have left guard and offensive Center bolted down going into 2024. I think Caserio can scrounge up some backup guards in free agency; either vets with 1 year deals or UDFA.
Utah's edge Ellis 37 tackles & 12 sacks that few are talking about could resolve another issue if Greenard not here.
 
I think what bothers me about Legette is that this is his only year with any production. In the previous 4 years, he only had a little over 400 yards combined. Is he a late bloomer, or is this a 23 year old man beating up on college kids?

And yes, I know that scouting isn't just looking at the box scores, but it also isn't just looking for the best athlete.
 
rmartin65 said:
I think what bothers me about Legette is that this is his only year with any production. In the previous 4 years, he only had a little over 400 yards combined. Is he a late bloomer, or is this a 23 year old man beating up on college kids?

And yes, I know that scouting isn't just looking at the box scores, but it also isn't just looking for the best athlete.
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Call me Al Davis, give me the best athletes and I'll take my chances that coaches can coach them up.
 
rmartin65 said:
Al Davis won his last championship in 1984. Maybe he would have had more success in the latter part of his career had he looked into more than just raw athleticism.
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Others have been successful using this philosophy.

Give me a guy with speed and good hands in the case of Legette and the coaches should be able to teach him routes. When you're picking in the 20's if you want a great player you'll have to draft a player with flaws and it appears that Legette's only flaw is he's only done it one year. I'll take my chances.

BTW, you can also say the one yr wonder things about guys like Sweat, Benson etc.... All of whom I think are worth pick 1-20.
 
steelbtexan said:
Others have been successful using this philosophy.

Give me a guy with speed and good hands in the case of Legette and the coaches should be able to teach him routes. When you're picking in the 20's if you want a great player you'll have to draft a player with flaws and it appears that Legette's only flaw is he's only done it one year. I'll take my chances.

BTW, you can also say the one yr wonder things about guys like Sweat, Benson etc.... All of whom I think are worth pick 1-20.
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There are no 1st round RBs this year. I’d consider Benson between mid rd2 to early rd3.
 
If you think about it, at this moment, you could make the argument that any pick could be a luxury pick for Texans - especially if they are all healthy.
This makes taking a decent back around the 20-25 mark make sense.
 
TexansFan15 said:
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There are so many good WR prospects this year. It’s going to be a very interesting draft.
I’m not dead set on WR in round 1, but I’d love to get one day 2 if we don’t. There’s a good chance that this draft will break a position records with the number prospects taken.
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I like Thomas almost as much as Nabers. If he's there at 2-52 and Caserio/Ryans didn't go WR in the 1st then you could do a lot worse than drafting say Benson and Thomas in rds 1-2.
 
With so many on the roster on a 1 year deal, Caserio has some work to do in the off season yet again.
Our first pick in the draft could be any position except QB at this point.
Devin Singletary is one of those.
It will be interesting to see if we make him an offer, draft his replacement or bring in another FA.
We still have Dameon Pierce up our sleeve, but he is the thunder whereas DS is the lightning and has been a better fit for Slowik's offense.
 
badboy said:
My concern is he may not fit in this offensive scheme as he is really good in a telephone booth. Hopefully Patterson and Juice Scruggs will have left guard and offensive Center bolted down going into 2024. I think Caserio can scrounge up some backup guards in free agency; either vets with 1 year deals or UDFA.
Utah's edge Ellis 37 tackles & 12 sacks that few are talking about could resolve another issue if Greenard not here.
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Now there is a serious "hopefully" ! We gotta do anything and everything we can to protect and buy time for young CJ. That boy is as good as gold. We've owe him the best protection we can find .... with his attitude and talents ... there's no such thing as "too much too much protection for him .... I kinda feel like he's already earned it !
 
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