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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Porky said:
tons of smoke on this dude. This isn’t one guy puffing his chest. You also have one of our own with source in the building singing the same tune. And the S2 is extremely troubling. That’s the biggest concern. Poor prep for the test or just poor cognition or both. I am rethinking Stroud at 1.2. I’d be more comfy with him at 12 or just take him off the board IF all of this is true. We don’t need another Carr who didn’t live and breath football. Every team has the S2 so He may drop out of the top 10 if all of this is true.

just something to at least think about.
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If gossip is true, why would you want Stroud at 12?
 
corry said:
I think people also forget about this.

The glaring need/want to Ownership, the fan base etc is QB.

Imagine passing on Stroud and him becoming a star after missing out on Sauce last year.

The bigger risk is not taking a QB imo.
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Not taking young or Stroud does not mean the texans will not get their quarterback this Off season.
 
beerlover said:
Why are Texans the one team, never mentioned in trade down scenario? Chicago obviously benefited from Texan win and restocked much needed draft capital. Now with some discussion Texans won’t select QB #2 all of a sudden Arizona is the preferred trading partner? No need to mention Seattle, they would like to leverage the leveraged pick (off Denver) to keep retooling for a deeper playoff run next year. On and on we go, just no respect (deservedly so) for this Texan franchise and how they under utilize their resources.
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Exactly!
 
thunderkyss said:
Trade value charts?

that’s where next year’s 1st has a value of this year’s 2nd. A 1st two years from now has a value of this year’s third.

In other words if I were to trade a player for three 1st round picks in consecutive years I’m actually trading him for the value of a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks of the current draft?
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The trade charts do not mention the following draft. deals with this draft only.
 
badboy said:
That's my point, we don’t need another average QB with potential in later rounds. I'd much rather risk Hooker being ours round two, hopefully using later pick after round one trade downs and trading for Trey Lance.
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In this case, you should simply draft Stroud.

Hooker won't even play next season, so we still have to get a third qb. Then in '24 Hooker would have to compete with, most likely, Mills or, possibly, Keenum, for the starting role.

Lance? Wishful daydream. Round one trade down? Can't count on it, but it could happen. You'd spend a valuable 2nd round pick on a player who won't play next season? If Hooker is there in the 4th, I'd taken him. Not before. Those first five picks are too valuable.
 
beerlover said:
Why are Texans the one team, never mentioned in trade down scenario? Chicago obviously benefited from Texan win and restocked much needed draft capital. Now with some discussion Texans won’t select QB #2 all of a sudden Arizona is the preferred trading partner? No need to mention Seattle, they would like to leverage the leveraged pick (off Denver) to keep retooling for a deeper playoff run next year. On and on we go, just no respect (deservedly so) for this Texan franchise and how they under utilize their resources.
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Perhaps because the overwhelming majority of opinions believe the Texans will and need to take one of the top 2 QBs (Young or Stroud). So the jockeying begins with the other teams in the top 5 that supposedly don't need a QB (AZ or Sea). However, if the Texans don't fancy either QB at #2 then I'm not letting it be known and open up bidding for the #2 pick on draft night.
 
Marcus said:
The “exception of the RB coach” invalidated your point. It was Dameon Pearce. Blaming coaching is the easy way out, looking for the quick fix.

I’ve said for years they need to spend a high pick on the OL every single draft, no exceptions. It minimizes the risks of taking a player that doesn’t pan out, and it assures good depth in case of injury.



At least 2 years, minimum. You most certainly cannot evaluate him properly just after his rookie season.



Good post.
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If you spend a high pick every yr, that means you need to fire your scout, gm,and oline coach. Go show me a team that has more than 3 1st rd picks on the oline.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Perhaps because the overwhelming majority of opinions believe the Texans will and need to take one of the top 2 QBs (Young or Stroud). So the jockeying begins with the other teams in the top 5 that supposedly don't need a QB (AZ or Sea). However, if the Texans don't fancy either QB at #2 then I'm not letting it be known and open up bidding for the #2 pick on draft night.
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Can I ask why draft night?From what I have read Seattle is looking to trade before that. Nevermind. I just thought through my own question. If Seattle trades then the loser(s) of that bidding war can big against each other again with the Texans
 
leebigeztx said:
If that dude was hard to coach, it would've come out weeks ago. This negative rumors sounds like a team trying to get him to fall.
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I think he looks too humble & not assertive enough. Never expected to hear he was hard to coach.
 
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KoolAid Sipper said:
Perhaps because the overwhelming majority of opinions believe the Texans will and need to take one of the top 2 QBs (Young or Stroud). So the jockeying begins with the other teams in the top 5 that supposedly don't need a QB (AZ or Sea). However, if the Texans don't fancy either QB at #2 then I'm not letting it be known and open up bidding for the #2 pick on draft night.
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Maybe, but doesn’t stop talking heads jumping on other team trade down hauls.
 
Number19 said:
In this case, you should simply draft Stroud.

Hooker won't even play next season, so we still have to get a third qb. Then in '24 Hooker would have to compete with, most likely, Mills or, possibly, Keenum, for the starting role.

Lance? Wishful daydream. Round one trade down? Can't count on it, but it could happen. You'd spend a valuable 2nd round pick on a player who won't play next season? If Hooker is there in the 4th, I'd taken him. Not before. Those first five picks are too valuable.
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You think Stroud is day 1 starter and I think Hooker will be. Hook may need 3-4 weeks.. so may Stroud. We just don't know. Mulughetta (sp) may not be an issue but he might.

All opinions. I'd rather gamble round 2 rather than pick 2.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Perhaps because the overwhelming majority of opinions believe the Texans will and need to take one of the top 2 QBs (Young or Stroud). So the jockeying begins with the other teams in the top 5 that supposedly don't need a QB (AZ or Sea). However, if the Texans don't fancy either QB at #2 then I'm not letting it be known and open up bidding for the #2 pick on draft night.
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Yes
 
leebigeztx said:
If you spend a high pick every yr, that means you need to fire your scout, gm,and oline coach. Go show me a team that has more than 3 1st rd picks on the oline.
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I think the point is/was we are talking about the Texans situation last few years, this year and 1-2 season. If we were Philly, KC or a few other teams, no we shouldn't need to draft QB every draft. Or if we had better coaching the last few years.. but we don't.

Other teams may have had other priority needs to spend round ones on. I don't care about other teams or how they spend cap, draft, FA etc. I want best player for Texans and yes hopefully our new coaches can coach our (hopefully) third round center to start sooner than later.
 
Xopher said:
Can I ask why draft night?From what I have read Seattle is looking to trade before that. Nevermind. I just thought through my own question. If Seattle trades then the loser(s) of that bidding war can big against each other again with the Texans
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Also often closer to actual selection pressure builds and teams may pay more or accept less. Waiting though can allow some team to beat your deal. Greed can work but could hurt. Can Caserio guide the canoe thru rapids?
 
badboy said:
You think Stroud is day 1 starter and I think Hooker will be. Hook may need 3-4 weeks.. so may Stroud. We just don't know. Mulughetta (sp) may not be an issue but he might.

All opinions. I'd rather gamble round 2 rather than pick 2.
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Article on NFL.com finally talking about Hooker being the 3rd best QB in this draft and his stock moving into RD1.

As for his injury…..he’s saying he’ll be ready for camp. Let him suit up and do some learning, but I wouldn’t put him on the field until WK5 at the earliest. Keenum and Mills can handle the first 4 weeks.

As for his education, give him Caserio’s old job. Booth and headset so he can watch and absorb from an optimal vantage point, then bring him down to the sideline for GM3 to get an in game feel. Put him back in the booth for GM4 for more vantage point learning. In my guestimation, only way he doesn’t start GM5, CK has led the team to a winning record.
 
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FMIA: Snyder's Long Goodbye, and the First-Round Case for Bijan Robinson - ProFootballTalk

Peter King reports on Dan Snyder and the potential Commanders sale, plus everything he is hearing around the NFL the week before the draft.
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∙Bryce Young is (no pun intended) head-and-shoulders in the lead to be the first pick in the draft.

∙Tyree Wilson, the Texas Tech pass-rusher, might be in competition with Alabama’s Will Anderson for the top defensive prospect on Houston’s draft board, and that could mean something if the Texans aren’t quite as smitten with C.J. Stroud as Mock Draft World thinks.

∙Jalen Carter has two visits to top-10 teams left before Wednesday’s deadline for players to make pre-draft visits to teams. That’s what agent Drew Rosenhaus told me Saturday. I’ll tell you the team that is the most perfect fit for Carter in the NFL: the Pittsburgh Steelers, who’d have to trade up from 17 to get him.

∙Jaxon Smith-Njigba had a left hamstring injury last year. He had a gigantic 2021 season at Ohio State, then played only 60 snaps in 2022, and I’m hearing some reticence about taking a guy 12th or 18th in the first round when, in a 4.5-month season, he managed to play the equivalent of one football game with a hamstring injury.

∙This might sound crazy, but I’m not sure how many teams will be aggressive in trying to move up for C.J. Stroud if Bryce Young goes first to Carolina.

∙All the anti-Bijan-Robinson-in-the-first-round folks, hear this: There’s this reticence to pick a running back in the first round because he might not be around for a second contract. Fact is, most first-round picks don’t sign second contracts. Per overthecap.com, 31 percent of first-round picks from 2011-’14 signed second contracts with teams, and well under half the players from 2011 to 2019 (the last year we’d be able to figure if first-rounders got second contracts) re-signed.

∙One other Bijanism. His college coach, Steve Sarkisian, told me Robinson could be a slot receiver, regularly, in the NFL. I’ve got the clip to convince you. “I probably made a couple of receivers on our team mad last season,” Sarkisian said, “but he had the best hands on our team.”


∙This doesn’t mean anything on the surface, because the way “reporting” works this time of year, things that make sense get repeated and repeated and repeated and it all becomes one giant Insider Echo Chamber. But I didn’t hear anyone, in calls Friday through Sunday, who thinks the first pick won’t be Bryce Young. He may not be. I’m just telling you what’s out there.

∙I will not be surprised if, in the Edge category, Tyree Wilson is picked ahead of Will Anderson. I particularly will not be surprised if Houston—whether at two or through a trade-down if the Texans don’t take a quarterback—takes Wilson over Anderson. “DeMeco Ryans could look at Wilson after his year in San Francisco and say, ‘I got my Nick Bosa,’” said someone in the league who knows Ryans.

∙One coach with a pick in the top 10: “Wilson will be a better pro than Anderson.”

∙I’m like you. I hear the Houston’s souring on Stroud stuff, and I just can’t believe the Texans wouldn’t take a quarterback high in this draft. How would Cal McNair answer to his disaffected season-ticketholders if, after passing on a quarterback with the third and 15th picks in the first round last year, he passes on a quarterback at number two this year? It’s the job of coaches to get the best out of players, and there’s certainly enough potential in C.J. Stroud—should he be there for Houston at two—for the Texans’ coaches to make a good NFL QB out of him.

∙An increasing number of people around the league think Jalen Carter has done enough in his visits to not sink like a stone on draft night. (More on Carter in my next section.) It’s become almost a cliché, how many team officials think the Seahawks will take Carter with the fifth overall pick.

∙Best rumor of the week: Steelers trading up from 17 to nine if Carter’s there. There could not be a more perfect coach for Carter than Mike Tomlin.

∙Carolina owner David Tepper has not been overbearing in the QB-search process. I can hear it now: You’re giving us a sanitized version of this to get on Tepper’s good side. Uh, I’ve never met the man. I could care less about buttering up David Tepper. I’m just telling you the real stuff.

∙Peter Skoronski’s an interesting case. The Northwestern tackle has the dreaded short-arm plague, and two teams in the top 10 see him now as a guard. So what? Guard Chris Lindstrom got drafted 14th by the Falcons in 2019, and he’s now a cornerstone player in Atlanta. Ditto Zack Martin (16th) in Dallas, and with a slightly smaller exclamation point, Quenton Nelson (sixth) in Indy. All got second contracts. If Skoronski’s a great guard, getting picked ninth or 12th or 15th is absolutely fine.

∙This is not an overriding negative on Jaxon Smith-Njigba, an excellent receiver prospect. But the Ohio State football season was five months long last year, including practice, and Smith-Njigba got a left hamstring injury early, and he played 60 snaps total in three games, and never got on the field in the last 10 weeks. He runs a 4.48 40-. I’m not the only one wondering: How is Jaxon Smith-Njigba the top-rated receiver on so many boards with 10 days to go?


∙Former QB Lists of the Week. I asked the very opinionated Chris Simms of NBC Sports and Dan Orlovsky of ESPN, both former NFL quarterbacks, for their top five at the position. Simms has gained notoriety in the past few years for loving unfamous guys entering the draft, and he’s not as crazy this year, but a couple of his picks are notable.

What’s interesting to me: Both like Hendon Hooker more than the market—Simms in particular—and one thinks C.J. Stroud is Burrow-like while the other has cooled on him a bit.

And Simms, the one who brought you Kellen Mond and Matt Corral, has another one you’ll have to look up: UCLA’s Dorian Thompson-Robinson. Hmm. Purdy-like in this way—Thompson-Robinson started 48 college games.

Simms’ Top Five QBs:
1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State. “To me, Stroud was the offense at Ohio State. Bryce Young ran the offense at Alabama. Stroud’s the best pure pocket passer in the draft. He’s big, he can make any type of throw you want, he’s got a great ability to process information. He’s as good as I’ve seen at making all the throws since Joe Burrow.”

2. Bryce Young, Alabama. “The natural. He’s slick. I mean, there’s a lot to like. Like Stroud, the processing information there is really good. He’s got a lot of wow releases, but there’s not a lot of wow throws. But he is a phenomenal, quick athlete. He can make people miss. He can throw off different platforms. Of course I worry about his size.”

3. Hendon Hooker, Tennessee. “This is a pure pocket-passing quarterback. Man, nobody is better in the draft than Hooker playing from the pocket. People around him, hanging on him, and he can throw a 20-yard incut or a 20-yard comeback. You’re like, ‘Man, he couldn’t even step into that, and wow, what a throw.’ His ability to move is being way underrated.”

4. Anthony Richardson, Florida. “How can you not love his potential? I don’t love the comparison to Josh Allen, because Josh wasn’t this raw. But we’ve never seen anything like Richardson. His arm is the most explosive arm in the draft. His running is real. Yeah, there’s a lot to work on from the quarterback aspect. I hear some people say, ‘He needs to sit a year.’ It’s the exact opposite. This is Trey Lance. He’s gotta play; he hasn’t played enough. You gotta start him right away if you draft him.”

5 (tie). Dorian Thompson-Robinson, UCLA; Will Levis, Kentucky. “Dorian Thompson-Robinson might be the most underrated prospect in the entire draft. Bigger than Bryce Young (Thompson-Robinson is 6-1 ½), better arm than Bryce Young. A little frail, but I think he’s ready to play right now. With Levis, the word for me is inconsistency—in everything. Decision-making, mechanics, quality of throw. I don’t see a guy with a natural feel for the position.”A
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TheMatrix31 said:
That puts me all the **** out on him.

Everyone knows I want the guy with the undisputed motor and work ethic. Anyone who even has a question of not having their heart in it is completely out for me. Even if it's smokescreen BS, I don't want anyone who'd even be believable as having that issue.

In fact, if anyone has a list of those guys with that concern please share it so I can know if my "interest" is misguided.

I don't want any of those ******* loafs here. Someone who's "hard to coach" and "some people doubt his drive" and the fact that he's got that agent makes me think that this guy runs at the first sign of trouble and is in the business of blaming others and whatnot. No thanks.

Give me JJs. Give me DeMecos.
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First, it's lying season. Stroud beat out a lot of highly recruited QBs to win the Ohio State QB job. I doubt he did that by loafing. Does anyone think the Ohio State coaches are badmouthing CJ? Who else would know if he were "hard to coach"? Do teams, including the Texans, have issues dealing with Stroud's agent? That I don't know, but Caserio has made strong statements about that not being the case.

What is very possible is that the Texans prefer a more mobile QB. And there may be a strong voice from the 49er coaches that came over that Trey Lance is more talented than the QBs available @ #2. I think the Colts would gobble Stroud up, in a heartbeat. I think the Raiders would move up for Stroud. Titans, Commanders, Vikings...there would also be strong interest in Stroud. He's still QB2 in this draft. And despite the early buzz from the media when the Panthers moved up, Stroud has always been QB2.

I think the Texans would be making a mistake passing on Stroud, and trading for Lance. Shanny would have gotten something out of Lance by now, if it were there. I'm sure Lance has flashed in practice. I'm sure he still has oodles of talent. I just don't think he's as good a QB as CJ Stroud. Or will be. As far as the rest of the QBs in this draft...they're not worth the investment. This is a 2 QB draft.
 
Will Andersen at 2.... Nick is going to screw this up.

He may be a good player, but he looks more like Whitney Mercilus than Von Miller on tape.

Trade the damn pick if you really can't see how good both of the QB's at the top are.
 
zshawn10 said:
link or source? I am pretty curious about hearing that
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Looked on twitter, nothing written.
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1647750841615409152
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5 QBs in 10 years (25%). That list proves you need a top QB, more than disproves.

BTW, I went to twitter to lookup the LZ quote on the Texans looking to deal #2. At the top of the page, I had this:


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I've been on twitter for 10-12 years. I've tweeted once. To wish JJ Watt well on retirement. That's it. I've pretty much always been in read-only mode. Thanks, Elon.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Will Anderson is nothing like Mercilus, dude.
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Go pull up Anderson's tape. He likes to create point of contact on the OL's and then rip as his go to move. That was Whitney's go to move. Looks a whole lot like him. Not much winning at the line via quickness and bend which is what you want. Issue with the guys like that, is that they are going to be beat by chips and doubles much easier than vice versa.
 
The Houston Texans could spring a major surprise with the No. 2 overall pick in the 2023 NFL draft.

Many expect them to take one of Ohio State's C.J. Stroud or Alabama's Bryce Young depending on whom the Carolina Panthers select first overall. However, The Athletic's Dane Brugler reported Monday "there isn't a unanimous belief among the Houston coaches that available quarterback will be worthy of this pick."

It's true that there isn't one can't-miss quarterback on the board, let alone two.

At 5'10" and 204 pounds, Young doesn't have an ideal frame for the position. ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. wrote how the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner would "be the shoo-in for the No. 1 pick" if he were slightly bigger.


Stroud's production fell across the board in 2022, and there are some questions over how he'll handle NFL defenses. Bleacher Report NFL scout Derrik Klassen wrote how the 6'3" signal-caller "showed late or questionable decision-making when the coverage was rotated or when bodies dropped off the line of scrimmage unexpectedly."
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Report: Texans Coaches Don't Have 'Unanimous Belief' If a QB Is 'Worthy' at No. 2

The Houston Texans could spring a major surprise with the No. 2 overall pick in the 2023 NFL draft. Many expect them to take one of Ohio State's C.J. Stroud…
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AcresHomesTexan said:
Lance Z. is saying the Texans are calling other teams about the number 2 pick.

Edit: he is not clear if Nick is just doing his due diligence.
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If it's true, then they are not sold on Stroud or think they can still get him a few spots lower down. Also if true, tells me they are convinced Carolina takes Bryce.
 
What Texans have been experiencing from O’Brian boneheaded Hopkins & Tunsil trades, plus missing picks during period lacking 1st’s. On to Caserio, who first year, didn’t knock picks out of the park (average) but when he did have draft capital (2 first rounders) missed terribly & hasn’t helped situation with trades or free agents.

So what we’re faced with is a generational lack of talent on this Texan roster. Remember being on par with Cincinnati Bengals and Detroit Lions, seems a long, long time ago. Detroit is fascinating. Last year they had a worse record than Texans and 2nd overall pick. Difference is they hit on picks, made killer trade (Geoff) that pays off this year, #6 overall (Christian Gonzales CB) Their own pick #18 Calijah Kancey DT. 2nd rd. Jack Campbell LB (all Brugler projections). Don’t see that train slowing down one bit, maintaining strong pool of talent three years straight. Won’t speak for you all, but I’m still looking for one. Hence, generational gap. Stroud or Young is absolute must.
 
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So, it is starting to sound like:
1. DeMeco wants to use the #2 pick on a defensive player, probably Will Anderson.
2. Caserio wants to trade the pick.
3. McNair could overrule both of them and pick a quarterback at #2, probably CJ Stroud

I don't know how anyone at this point can claim they know what the Texans will do with ANY level of confidence. The Texans are the biggest wildcard in this draft, IMHO. 30% they draft a quarterback, 20% chance they trade back, 30% chance they draft Will Anderson, 20% chance they keep the pick and draft someone else is the way I see it.
 
beerlover said:
What Texans have been experiencing from O’Brian boneheaded Hopkins & Tunsil trades, plus missing picks during period lacking 1st’s. On to Caserio, who first year, didn’t knock picks out of the park (average) but when he did have draft capital (2 first rounders) missed terribly & hasn’t helped situation with trades or free agents.

So what we’re faced with is a generational lack of talent on this Texan roster. Remember being on par with Cincinnati Bengals and Detroit Lions, seems a long, long time ago. Detroit is fascinating. Last year they had a worse record than Texans and 2nd overall pick. Difference is they hit on picks, made killer trade (Geoff) that pays off this year, #6 overall (Christian Gonzales CB) Their own pick #18 Calijah Kancey DT. 2nd rd. Jack Campbell LB (all Brugler projections). Don’t see that train slowing down one bit, maintaining strong pool of talent three years straight. Won’t speak for you all, but I’m still looking for one. Hence, generational gap. Stroud or Young is absolute must.
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I haven't given up on Stingley, Green or Metchie yet.
I have a hope that all three come back and make more than useful contributions to the team.
Now add in a few nice hits in the draft and suddenly we have the makings of a good squad.
 
I deleted Twitter when Elon took over. I knew he'd turn it into a dumpster fire. Granted, I wasn't a heavy user.

Back to the topic. I'm really completely lost right now regarding who will be under center this year.

They cannot go to war with Case and Davis. That's not something you can sell to this fan base. They've got to have a feasible guy. If not a guy that is an instant starter, he's got to be in the garage getting tuned up.

I am wavering on CJ. That low S2, Mulegatta, and at least rumor of poor interviews. I dunno guys. I'll honestly go with the Texans on this. If they choose him, I've got faith that some of this is just smoke with no fire. If they pass or trade out of the pick, I'll say the proof is in the pudding.

I like Anderson - very clean prospect, but I agree with the not Von Miller assessment. I like him...don't love him. But I could get behind it.

Assuming Carolina takes Bryce, I'm in favor of either CJ or just trading out of the pick if you get a good offer.

I'd then use some draft capital to acquire Mac Jones or maybe Trey Lance. I'd prefer Jones.
 
Texansphan said:
Hey man, do you have a Texans mock?
I'd like to see it.
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I don't follow the college players as much as others here do, so I really don't do mocks. But you can definitely add me into the anti-B. Young and Stroud camp.

Like I've said before, you don't want me handling the draft, you'd end up with nothing but linemen and linebackers. LOL

And I'll take any of the QBs in this draft not named Young or Stroud, but not with the 1.2 pick. I would find it easier to handle if they did take Richardson or Levis with the 1.2 pick, but I don't see them doing that, at least not with the 1.2 pick.

But, it's the Texans. Who the hell knows what'll happen. LOL
 
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