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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Initiate the trades and the returns change substantially.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Plenty of time to stock up before then.11 days and counting to the draft.
Tomorrow it will be 10 days left, and I will have slightly less pot than I do today.
11 days and counting to the draft.
Tomorrow it will be 10 days left, and I will have slightly less pot than I do today.
Dealer is at church? Takes Sundays off
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Dealer is at church? Takes Sundays off
In the old days of the NSZ, I could have done a lot with this post.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s what they do, even though several media heads have shot that type of nonsense down. Go look at Landry Locker’s podcast from a few days ago. Him and Seth Payne are straight shooters.
Another silly rumor that’s being gobbled up around here is what the Texans going to do with the 2nd pick. That’s been shot down too. Several people have said, the Texans aren’t leaking out any type of information. And yet some media heads outside of Houston drops what their sources said. Lol then the masses runs with it like it’s fact.
I will advise you to go listen to the young man’s interview. He’s nowhere close to what that one reporter said about him.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nick Caserio and staff will more and likely draft 9 players. DocB your mock drafts are fun but unrealistic. Lol
Porky
Hall of Fame
tons of smoke on this dude. This isn’t one guy puffing his chest. You also have one of our own with source in the building singing the same tune. And the S2 is extremely troubling. That’s the biggest concern. Poor prep for the test or just poor cognition or both. I am rethinking Stroud at 1.2. I’d be more comfy with him at 12 or just take him off the board IF all of this is true. We don’t need another Carr who didn’t live and breath football. Every team has the S2 so He may drop out of the top 10 if all of this is true.
just something to at least think about.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm sure the Texans have conducted their due diligence on Stroud. If any of the rumors about him not having his heart in the game and difficult to coach, they would have found that out by talking to Ohio State staff members and players. They also probably have the results of all of his cognitive tests. If they pick him at #2, they're satisfied with all the off the football field stuff. If not, they'll pass him by.
For myself, just based off of my own philosophy regarding the game and the tape that I've seen, not knowing for sure if any rumors are true or not, I'd still draft Will Anderson over Stroud, or trade back if possible. I would take a conservative approach with this draft by focusing on the trenches. That seems to be where you'll get the most bang for your buck in this draft.
For myself, just based off of my own philosophy regarding the game and the tape that I've seen, not knowing for sure if any rumors are true or not, I'd still draft Will Anderson over Stroud, or trade back if possible. I would take a conservative approach with this draft by focusing on the trenches. That seems to be where you'll get the most bang for your buck in this draft.
Haven't been on in a while, but finally if feels like this is the moment things are going to turn around.
I am absolutely blown away that more people aren't on team Stroud. S2 test be damned. Stroud is much quicker through reads than Young on game tape. Its really evident after you watch enough. Are we just going to ignore that maybe Young's size may prevent him from seeing over the lines? I think its worthy to note Kyler Murray's struggles the last few years in obvious passing situations as his height is a comp for Young.
There are several good examples of CJ through 3-4 reads in 2 seconds and finding the open man. People talk about how open his receivers are, but its a funny thing right. I used to say the same thing about Joe Burrow in college, Patrick Mahomes in the NFL, Tom Brady on 3rd down in the NFL. Maybe he is just good at finding the open man.
I would be happy with both, but I do think CJ will be the better of the two as he looks to me as a better passer.
I am absolutely blown away that more people aren't on team Stroud. S2 test be damned. Stroud is much quicker through reads than Young on game tape. Its really evident after you watch enough. Are we just going to ignore that maybe Young's size may prevent him from seeing over the lines? I think its worthy to note Kyler Murray's struggles the last few years in obvious passing situations as his height is a comp for Young.
There are several good examples of CJ through 3-4 reads in 2 seconds and finding the open man. People talk about how open his receivers are, but its a funny thing right. I used to say the same thing about Joe Burrow in college, Patrick Mahomes in the NFL, Tom Brady on 3rd down in the NFL. Maybe he is just good at finding the open man.
I would be happy with both, but I do think CJ will be the better of the two as he looks to me as a better passer.
I would suggest watching more. How quick are these guys going through reads. It may catch you off guard. Remember, on the S2 test you aren't having to look over NFL Lines. Its a huge factor.
I would be happy with both.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again nobody in the Texans organization is leaking any information to anybody.
There is no prep for the S2 test. According to what the developer said on GMFB, it's like a video game of sorts. One 'question' is a screen of 10 footballs moving across the screen and the QB has to track 3 of them. It's about perceiving and recognizing in various situations. It's a big deal. That said, Stroud won't drop out of the top 5
I think people also forget about this.
The glaring need/want to Ownership, the fan base etc is QB.
Imagine passing on Stroud and him becoming a star after missing out on Sauce last year.
The bigger risk is not taking a QB imo.
He's saying take some of those leaks with a grain of salt. "As a whole, this draft class performed very well"
Number19
Hall of Fame
Good read, thanks. Pretty much agrees with the evaluations I go on.
Since we are discussing arm strength, Vogel appears to have written his evaluation after the 2021 season and then added an update after the 2023 season Senior Bowl.
He wrote: "Arm strength is very average. Doesn't appear to have a lot of drive or velocity on his throws. Doesn't appear too capable of making deep throws."
But then he added/wrote: "Has shown some improvement in 2022. Has pushed the ball very well downfield in the new season."
He gives Tune an overall grade of 72.5 and projects him to the 4th or 5th rounds. My own mock has the Texans taking him in the 5th or 6th rounds.
I'd like to see what positional rank he gives Tune. I might need to rethink taking him as low as I did, based on the Industry Consensus Big Board.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Texans are leaking this info preparing fans they will not be drafting Stroud. If they don't draft Young they will draft Anderson. You've been warned.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Why are Texans the one team, never mentioned in trade down scenario? Chicago obviously benefited from Texan win and restocked much needed draft capital. Now with some discussion Texans won’t select QB #2 all of a sudden Arizona is the preferred trading partner? No need to mention Seattle, they would like to leverage the leveraged pick (off Denver) to keep retooling for a deeper playoff run next year. On and on we go, just no respect (deservedly so) for this Texan franchise and how they under utilize their resources.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's difficult to tell what he really means by a nebulous statement such as "pushing the ball downfield."
Eh, Stroud hits and the fanbase/owners will probably call for his head.
Caserio over thought Gardner last year and its going to get him again trying to be cute with the QB.
For me,
Houston has reached out to Seattle about choosing 3rd. That is not a trade back from 2 by the way.
Seattle has shown no interest in trading up but rather trading back.
So if all of that is the case for the Texans, then they like a QB. And if they like a QB that they feel they need to take at 3, then why would they give up picks to get him? Makes no sense.
Also Zero leaks about trades for the 2nd overall pick?
Carolina is saying Young, Young, Young... They are so LOUD about it. Why?
Maybe, just maybe they really want Houston to trade up and take him so they can take the guy they traded up for originally.
There is a literal video of their QB Coach comparing Stroud to Joe Burrow who is very much in the Mahomes, Josh Allen level.
Just need the draft to get here already. We have no idea what is going to happen. Its Lying Season.
And if he doesn't?
I meant if Stroud doesn't hit. Caserio is not getting fired either way
This Panthers beat writer says no decision has been made and her source is a part of the decision process.
Starts around 11:30
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
If you set the trade up as likely to be accepted with 85% or higher it’s a much closer to realistic outcome on the trade chart.
I also set the draft as halfway chaotic to get different outcomes.
Makes it more fun than seeing the same players every time
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The last part of her interview makes it seem as though she may have an agenda (possibly fueled by her source), suggestion a trade up.
Trade value charts?
that’s where next year’s 1st has a value of this year’s 2nd. A 1st two years from now has a value of this year’s third.
In other words if I were to trade a player for three 1st round picks in consecutive years I’m actually trading him for the value of a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks of the current draft?
The last part of her interview makes it seem as though she may have an agenda (possibly fueled by her source), suggestion a trade up.
I heard that too. At minimum her agenda suggests Panther fandom and that the Panthers view them close enough to be quite okay at number 2.
Oh wait, so the Panthers may actually be leaking bad info about Stroud while also inquiring the Texans about a tradeup for Young when there guy was CJ all along. Really wouldn't surprise me at all. Their fan base is split on the prospects. I also have to question whether there GM really had the balls to trade up for a 5'10 QB where the obvious I TOLD YOU SO will be in play if he gets injured. Ultimately that will costs him his job.
Is there something good to be said about having your offense in place before drafting your franchise QB? If you draft a C, and number 1 WR, Bijan? Metchie lost his rookie year so he is basically a rookie. Would you rather have all the rookies making mistakes together or have all of them except the QB learning together? I lean towards having everyone except the QB because the QB doesn't have to worry about his rookie mistakes AND everyone else's as well. Thoughts?
badboy
Hall of Fame
What round is Clayton Tune supposed to be drafted in?
If I felt there was a QB that was a franchise changer I’d draft him regardless.
But I’m not going to put him under center until the team knows the offense cold. They need to understand the play called in the huddle & understand what he means when he makes the calls at the line so that little mistakes don’t become big mistakes & they can actually help him improve.
But these Jarred Goff types in this draft are not the guys I’d want to draft in the situation we’re in. If I had a playoff team missing a QB, sure. But Matt Stafford was never going to win anything in Detroit. That’s who we are now.
We’ve got to get good at doing the basics, blocking & freaking tackling. Then we can worry about developing a QB.
jmo
Texansballer74
The Marine
Facts!!!
Number19
Hall of Fame
You know better; depends on which big board you are using. CnnnD's post has him at 4 or 5, as does my source. My own mock, I have at 5 or 6. The Consensus Big Board has him at pick 219, top of the 7th.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't know where you get that? Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean. I would consider him at right tackle. His biggest weakness in my opinion was his huge weight but that was reduced at the combine to 330. For a monster of a man With his bulk he is considered very athletic. Speed rushers might give him a problem initially as slow off snap but that can happen to even veteran players.
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Where???
badboy
Hall of Fame
And cornerback and pass rushers, maybe wide receivers
badboy
Hall of Fame
And focus not 100 % what round; value aware but not a ruling factor. Getting center is a must but this draft third round does it. When we can get a high quality starter at a lower round that's the way to go and why I have been pushing round two.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ok true but if we are heading into a draft without good coaching, those coaches should not be here. This is first season in many that I am more than just hopeful we have good coaches. Warhop raised my eyes but not my hope. We still must draft well regardless of who coaches them. At some point , our coaches should be able to take 3rd and 4th round players and train them to be starters and 5th -6th rounders to be depth. 7th rounders we can trade for players wanting to come here.
We are just not close to that point.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
A lot of picks.. I would be okay if that or something like it, was for pick 4 after we deal with Indy. It appears to me that lamar jackson will remain With Baltimore and Colts will be looking for a draft QB.
I am seeing gossip about arizona trading murray and then using pick 3 for a qb. I doubt that happens but it could be to our advantage.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Wow and i was hoping for 4 and 35! I have to get back to the drawing board.
badboy
Hall of Fame
It wasn't about the GM wanting Young. It was about the owner wanting him.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's my point, we don’t need another average QB with potential in later rounds. I'd much rather risk Hooker being ours round two, hopefully using later pick after round one trade downs and trading for Trey Lance.