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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Not really. You can’t put any stakes into what the media is saying. They overhype everything.
Start? This has been the only debate about Young. His draft grade reflects the concerns about size. If he were even a regular small 6'1 210 much less full size, Young would be no doubt A type player. The A minus grade is the downgrade for size, not skills. At this point, you either believe he can overcome size or you don't.
Not to mention totally new rules concerning QB hits
Too bad he can't read coverages with his hands.
For me, Bryce Young is more polished in his image and public speaking. Stroud comes off as a pure football player, a jock type who is more comfortable around his dudes than with a mike stuck in his face.
Somewhere earlier I posted my reaction to their combine interviews.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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How did Young struggle with injuries? You mean the time he fell on his shoulder while he was running. It’s getting ridiculous. Sadly, a large percentage of you will never give him his due, even as he goes about the business of tearing it up and taking this team to new heights. You’ll just find some other way to knock him. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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I've previously posted that Young has had 3 previous separate A-C shoulder injuries on his throwing shoulder (received this confirmation of my observations from 2 of my NFL medical sources). The last one included an A-C separation, shoulder dislocation, rotator cuff and undoubtedly some labrum damage (which almost virtually accompanies shoulder dislocation). Playing through such injuries with meds and injections may allow a player to continue play, but without significant rest and rehab, healing is delayed while further damage is promoted (ala. Luck).
Although getting almost no play, even Saban admitted to the previous shoulder injuries.
The injuries may not have been serious enough to have him necessarily miss multiple games, but given enough repeated shoulder injuries will eventually significantly impact performance if not career. One would be remiss to believe that once in the NFL, Young is likely to avoid further injury to his shoulder structures.
How did Young struggle with injuries? You mean the time he fell on his shoulder while he was running. It’s getting ridiculous. Sadly, a large percentage of you will never give him his due, even as he goes about the business of tearing it up and taking this team to new heights. You’ll just find some other way to knock him. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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I've previously posted that Young has had 3 previous separate A-C shoulder injuries on his throwing shoulder (received this confirmation of my observations from 2 of my NFL medical sources). The last one included an A-C separation, shoulder dislocation, rotator cuff and undoubtedly some labrum damage (which almost virtually accompanies shoulder dislocation). Playing through such injuries with meds and injections may allow a player to continue play, but without significant rest and rehab, healing is delayed while further damage is promoted (ala. Luck).
Although getting almost no play, even Saban admitted to the previous shoulder injuries.
The injuries may not have been serious enough to have him necessarily miss multiple games, but given enough repeated shoulder injuries will eventually significantly impact performance if not career. One would be remiss to believe that once in the NFL, Young is likely to avoid further injury to his shoulder structures.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
They were talking about him taking big ben hits
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Every player is only one hit away from a season ending injury.
It is what it is.
Boris
All Pro
Tony Pauline says Panthers HC Frank Reich wants to draft Anthony Richardson
According to PFN's Tony Pauline, everybody in the room for the Panthers is leaning heavily towards C.J. Stroud . . . except for HC Frank Reich, who favors Anthony Richardson.
sports.yahoo.com
Could make sense due to the timing of the trade but I don't believe even Frank Reich could be foolish enough to trade up to #1 for Richardson that far before the draft when in all likelihoodTony Pauline says Panthers HC Frank Reich wants to draft Anthony Richardson
According to PFN's Tony Pauline, everybody in the room for the Panthers is leaning heavily towards C.J. Stroud . . . except for HC Frank Reich, who favors Anthony Richardson.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I think this is by and large fair. I also think it's fair to consider how many top tier NFL QBs have been 'pure football player, jock type(s)', if any.
Part of being an NFL QB is being a de facto CEO of the 53 man roster throughout the season. You get all of the credit when things go well and all of the blame when they go poorly. And you inevitably get the onslaught of questions about the latter. Seasons are a journey, there are peaks and valleys, winning streaks and losing streaks. And there is never a shortage of mics being stuck in your face at that level when the pressure is turned up, either by the threat of success or failure. How one responds to those mics is one part of it, but just as importantly how one can ride that wave behind the scenes is certainly another.
Poise is a word that is thrown around a lot when evaluating the position, and I don't think it's one lacking of value. These guys are always 'on'. They're always the most under the microscope. Other positions will be judged by their performance, but none whatsoever in the way the QB is judged by the overall team's success/failure. If my starting CB is a pure football playing jock type that's fine. Same for every other position I'd say barring maybe only center. QB isn't a 'lunchpail' position, the demands are far, far greater.
Like I said before Stroud can whip it with the best of 'em. I just have a bit of reservation about when the full weight of being the face of an NFL team is thrust on him and the unforgiving nature of that weight at the pro level begs who and what he is unrelentingly. I don't hold that reservation at all with Young.
But this is also just one consideration of many and anyone who's all in on Stroud for his pros/cons versus those of Young then that's cool too.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Wasn’t Osweiller the most well-spoken CEO type QB in team history? Did not help his play.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
M.F.I.C.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
No..
He had a good performance in Manning's short absence. Given the deep ties, the Texans were bronco blinded.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It appears that HC Reich and owner Tepper are split on their favor of QBs..............Reich for Stroud.........Tepper for Young. The man who writes the checks tends to write the scripts.
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Are Panthers planning to pick Bryce Young?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 7, 2023, 12:43 AM EDT
When the Panthers moved from No. 9 to No. 1, the betting favorite for the first overall selection in the draft became Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud. Alabama’s Bryce Young, the prior favorite, might still be the safer bet.
Via LarryBrownSports.com, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen believes that Panthers will select Young.
“Bryce Young is the pick,” Mortensen said. “They all love Bryce Young.”
The knock on Young is both his size and his weight. But the Panthers apparently won’t be deterred by those factors, if Mortensen is right.
The truth could be that, even if the Panthers were leaning toward Stroud, the man in charge of the organization developed an affinity for Young. In the event of a closer call, the preference of the man who owns the team becomes a significant factor.
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Are Panthers planning to pick Bryce Young?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 7, 2023, 12:43 AM EDT
When the Panthers moved from No. 9 to No. 1, the betting favorite for the first overall selection in the draft became Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud. Alabama’s Bryce Young, the prior favorite, might still be the safer bet.
Via LarryBrownSports.com, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen believes that Panthers will select Young.
“Bryce Young is the pick,” Mortensen said. “They all love Bryce Young.”
The knock on Young is both his size and his weight. But the Panthers apparently won’t be deterred by those factors, if Mortensen is right.
The truth could be that, even if the Panthers were leaning toward Stroud, the man in charge of the organization developed an affinity for Young. In the event of a closer call, the preference of the man who owns the team becomes a significant factor.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I guess we need to find a JaMarcus Russell in this draft somewhere.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Reacting to C.J. Stroud Interview on The Pivot as Houston Texans Approach the Draft
C.J. Stroud was interviewed by the guys on The Pivot (link below) before this past college football season. As the prospect of drafting Stroud approaches, Fo...
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Porky
Hall of Fame
At this point, I am coming around to the idea that it’s best if Panthers take Bryce and we go CJ. Every time Young gets a hangnail for the next decade it’ll be a hoarde of I told you so’s here and all over town. He could trip over a threshold and it’s going to be because he is short and light. He can win 3 SB’s and it will be because he has a great cast around him. He will never get a fair shake in this town. The die is cast. Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him. Let him go somewhere that he will be appreciated.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Big chance he becomes a Texans and of course, it is fashionable to trash talk them.
It still makes me shake my head, but you aren't gonna make people love you. But, with BY here and him being such a likable young man, that could change a few hearts among the national talking heads.
I hope he does come here and prove that he does belong in pro football and become a star - that would be good for Houston fans and Houston football - and bleed over to other Houston sports.
He could be so good for this town on many levels and for that reason also I support him - but that is contingent on him coming here.
I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.
Only David Tepper can do that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Because this is the Houston Texans and the McNairs, Tepper is going to do just that.I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.
Only David Tepper can do that.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.
Only David Tepper can do that.
Dude.
What part of "Injury Risk" don't you understand?
Fate has determined that he will be a Texan and no being can stand in the way of that.
Number19
Hall of Fame
As far as I know, everyone acknowledges the shoulder injuries last season. The problem is the other two, which information you got from medical sources. This information is not easily found, if at all, by the general public so is not readily acknowledged. It's not easy to have an opinion on something you know nothing about.
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It seems only a few days ago that you were coming around to the idea that Stroud would be okay if Bryce was gone
Porky
Hall of Fame
The shoulder is getting zero run in the sports media. It could be because they don't have the info, or it could be that it's not really seen as a big deal.
That said, CND tends to have some semi-inside info from time to time. I'm not about to disparage or dismiss his info. But anything he has, you can be sure the teams have it, and likely more than he has.
This is a QB. Yes corners are valuable, but QB's chosen in the top 5 have been poked and prodded more than aliens coming down to experiment on, and cross-breed with humans.
That said, CND tends to have some semi-inside info from time to time. I'm not about to disparage or dismiss his info. But anything he has, you can be sure the teams have it, and likely more than he has.
This is a QB. Yes corners are valuable, but QB's chosen in the top 5 have been poked and prodded more than aliens coming down to experiment on, and cross-breed with humans.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I just don’t think the Texans are going to take Stroud because of Mulugheta. If he’s there that is. Sure, they will eventually have to work with his clients, and maybe they are right now, but with this being such a high profile position I just think they’re still too close to this dude screwing them over. CJ ain’t happening in Houston.
As for the I told you so’s around here, who ******* cares? It wouldn’t be TT if there wasn’t a bunch of vomit you had to wade through.
zshawn10
All Pro
NFL Draft 2023 Rumors: NFL Execs Split on Bryce Young, CJ Stroud as Panthers' Choice
NFL executives are split on whether the Carolina Panthers will select Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud or Alabama's Bryce Young with the No. 1 overall pick…
bleacherreport.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
No media has publicly acknowledged any shoulder injury to Young, except the one he sustained Oct 1, 2022.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I agree with your last point. I guess I just thought with that much talent, people would be drooling over the possibility but they are hung up on one single trait. Like you said, it doesn't matter who any of us want or don't want. This is really about 5 people - Cal, Hannah, Nick, Demeco, and Bobby Slowik. If they are comfy with Bryce, and he isn't taken by Carolina, he's the pick.
I do disagree with the first point. You can believe Nick or not, but he's stated vehemently that agents play no role in player selection and that it's bad business. I agree with the last part of that. I don't think you can be that selective and take people off your board over who represents them. First-rounders are slotted these days. No first-rounder holds out anymore. CJ signing his deal is a done deal. So, you're talking about a possibility 4-5 years down the road. By then who knows - the guy could have been run over by a bus, CJ might change agents, or perhaps CJ won't be as big of a dickweed as Watson, and will instruct his agent to get a deal done. It might play a very minor role in their overall eval, but I don't think they pass on CJ if the Panthers go with Young. JMO. Good debate as always Speedy - have a good weekend.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I tend to agree. I haven't seen anything in the media, but I wasn't clear, in that I was referring to those on this forum.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I certainly appreciate the line of thinking from your perspective. Understand that the medical evaluations of Draft candidates are not as all-inclusive as the public is made to believe.
Clowney is a perfect example of "protection" of a potential 1:1 Draft pick. In line with your assumption, teams and the media should have had no problems knowing, reporting and acting on his college injury history. But that didn't happen. Spurrier did nothing to highlight his injuries, rather (just like Saban with Young) minimized them when he even mentioned them in passing.
As I've mentioned previously, Young has never been made to submit to a shoulder arthrogram and/or an arthroscopy, which is the only reliable way to document labral and articular damage to a shoulder. This is because no Draft candidate can be forced to undergo an "invasive" procedure, especially if the results would likely be a negative to his draft status.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
QB position trumps CB position but to defy Medical advice without further in-depth scrutiny, seems desperate and unprofessional. Or definition of insanity
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
zshawn10
All Pro
CJ sounds so mature and wise beyond his years. His story coming up is pretty heartbreaking too
zshawn10
All Pro
This is the essence of it all.
My concern is that I'm reading Young is not a scrambler. That alone is concerning because the pocket is a dangerous place for a QB of any size. If he cannot consistently escape pressure, then we'll have to hope he's durable against some much, much larger opponents.
Yeah he will get a fair shake. DeMeco has the goodwill of this city and they will give his first draft choice the benefit of the doubt.
And if Young wins consistently, it won't even be an issue. This city craves a QB and a winning team. We are a simple people. Just give us a reason to hope, and the city will support it accordingly.
Now, if Will Anderson Jr. with the Colts breaks Young in his rookie season, then yeah, we'll never hear the end of it. Let's hope this statement is just me being cynical. lol
Number19
Hall of Fame
But why shouldn't he, or maybe why hasn't he, volunteered to have these procedures. After all, it's his career which is under consideration.
I know I would. Even at his age I believe I would have; I was prepared, and ready, to be on my own following my HS graduation. Paying for or financing the procedures wouldn't be an issue for Young, with his future.
Number19
Hall of Fame
He's very instinctive at escaping pressure. But doing so, he's not looking to run. He's keeping his eyes downfield to find his open receiver.
I believe Nick. He was empathic on the point that an agent would not have bearing on whom the Texans would select in the draft.
What I don't know is how Cal and Hannah McNair feel about this. That's why I'm 95% sure the Texans will take a QB at #2. And not 100%.
Probably more so than any QB prospect I've ever seen. Young's a magician.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately not when millions in contract and endorsements are involved. Players in this position are immensely more afraid of negative information being revealed than the potential appearance of "playing games" with the medicals.........they are coaxed by their agent that team and public ignorance can be bliss in cases like this. You've heard of the saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"? It's definitely no leap to change the wording and extrapolate this when speaking of injuries.QB position trumps CB position but to defy Medical advice without further in-depth scrutiny, seems desperate and unprofessional. Or definition of insanity
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
On my recent Mock’s….I’ve been selecting him in mid RD1. Hooker will be a RD1 QB b/c he’s every bit as good as Young and Stroud. Teams are moving past his late season ACL injury since it appears his rehab is ahead of schedule.
badboy
Hall of Fame
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