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Not really. You can’t put any stakes into what the media is saying. They overhype everything.If the media is starting to debate the size issue, wouldn't it make sense that it is a significant potential issue? If I'm a GM & have those same doubts, then I stay away from Young with the #2 pick.
If the media is starting to debate the size issue, wouldn't it make sense that it is a significant potential issue? If I'm a GM & have those same doubts, then I stay away from Young with the #2 pick.
Not to mention totally new rules concerning QB hitsTwo different sizes but also two different play styles.
Too bad he can't read coverages with his hands.I didn’t know Levis has 10 5/8” hands and is 6-4 230
I can see why they are interested…
That’s Brett Favre size hands.
That's been my perception too.
Last week, TJ Houshmandzadeh was asked who he'd pick 1st, CJ or Bryce? TJ's been training with both of them in Cali.
Surprisingly picks CJ, "he's a little more fiery than Bryce is, a little more talkative than Bryce is"
I didn't expect that.
10:10 mark
NFL rules would have had no effect on Young's last shoulder injury.Not to mention totally new rules concerning QB hits
They were talking about him taking big ben hitsNFL rules would have had no effect on Young's last shoulder injury.
Every player is only one hit away from a season ending injury.NFL rules would have had no effect on Young's last shoulder injury.
Could make sense due to the timing of the trade but I don't believe even Frank Reich could be foolish enough to trade up to #1 for Richardson that far before the draft when in all likelihoodTony Pauline says Panthers HC Frank Reich wants to draft Anthony Richardson
According to PFN's Tony Pauline, everybody in the room for the Panthers is leaning heavily towards C.J. Stroud . . . except for HC Frank Reich, who favors Anthony Richardson.sports.yahoo.com
They were talking about him taking big ben hits
For me, Bryce Young is more polished in his image and public speaking. Stroud comes off as a pure football player, a jock type who is more comfortable around his dudes than with a mike stuck in his face.
Somewhere earlier I posted my reaction to their combine interviews.
I think this is by and large fair. I also think it's fair to consider how many top tier NFL QBs have been 'pure football player, jock type(s)', if any.
Part of being an NFL QB is being a de facto CEO of the 53 man roster throughout the season. You get all of the credit when things go well and all of the blame when they go poorly. And you inevitably get the onslaught of questions about the latter. Seasons are a journey, there are peaks and valleys, winning streaks and losing streaks. And there is never a shortage of mics being stuck in your face at that level when the pressure is turned up, either by the threat of success or failure. How one responds to those mics is one part of it, but just as importantly how one can ride that wave behind the scenes is certainly another.
Poise is a word that is thrown around a lot when evaluating the position, and I don't think it's one lacking of value. These guys are always 'on'. They're always the most under the microscope. Other positions will be judged by their performance, but none whatsoever in the way the QB is judged by the overall team's success/failure. If my starting CB is a pure football playing jock type that's fine. Same for every other position I'd say barring maybe only center. QB isn't a 'lunchpail' position, the demands are far, far greater.
Like I said before Stroud can whip it with the best of 'em. I just have a bit of reservation about when the full weight of being the face of an NFL team is thrust on him and the unforgiving nature of that weight at the pro level begs who and what he is unrelentingly. I don't hold that reservation at all with Young.
But this is also just one consideration of many and anyone who's all in on Stroud for his pros/cons versus those of Young then that's cool too.
Wasn’t Osweiller the most well-spoken CEO type QB in team history? Did not help his play.
I didn’t know Levis has 10 5/8” hands and is 6-4 230
I can see why they are interested…
That’s Brett Favre size hands.
Size matters. It just does….
Big chance he becomes a Texans and of course, it is fashionable to trash talk them.At this point, I am coming around to the idea that it’s best if Panthers take Bryce and we go CJ. Every time Young gets a hangnail for the next decade it’ll be a hoarde of I told you so’s here and all over town. He could trip over a threshold and it’s going to be because he is short and light. He can win 3 SB’s and it will be because he has a great cast around him. He will never get a fair shake in this town. The die is cast. Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him. Let him go somewhere that he will be appreciated.
I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him.
Because this is the Houston Texans and the McNairs, Tepper is going to do just that.I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.
Only David Tepper can do that.
I deserve Bryce Young. You can let the others bring you down. But you can't step on my dream of Bryce Young being the QB of the Houston Texans.
Only David Tepper can do that.
As far as I know, everyone acknowledges the shoulder injuries last season. The problem is the other two, which information you got from medical sources. This information is not easily found, if at all, by the general public so is not readily acknowledged. It's not easy to have an opinion on something you know nothing about.I've previously posted that Young has had 3 previous separate A-C shoulder injuries on his throwing shoulder (received this confirmation of my observations from 2 of my NFL medical sources). The last one included an A-C separation, shoulder dislocation, rotator cuff and undoubtedly some labrum damage (which almost virtually accompanies shoulder dislocation). Playing through such injuries with meds and injections may allow a player to continue play, but without significant rest and rehab, healing is delayed while further damage is promoted (ala. Luck).
Although getting almost no play, even Saban admitted to the previous shoulder injuries.
The injuries may not have been serious enough to have him necessarily miss multiple games, but given enough repeated shoulder injuries will eventually significantly impact performance if not career. One would be remiss to believe that once in the NFL, Young is likely to avoid further injury to his shoulder structures.
It seems only a few days ago that you were coming around to the idea that Stroud would be okay if Bryce was goneAt this point, I am coming around to the idea that it’s best if Panthers take Bryce and we go CJ. Every time Young gets a hangnail for the next decade it’ll be a hoarde of I told you so’s here and all over town. He could trip over a threshold and it’s going to be because he is short and light. He can win 3 SB’s and it will be because he has a great cast around him. He will never get a fair shake in this town. The die is cast. Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him. Let him go somewhere that he will be appreciated.
At this point, I am coming around to the idea that it’s best if Panthers take Bryce and we go CJ. Every time Young gets a hangnail for the next decade it’ll be a hoarde of I told you so’s here and all over town. He could trip over a threshold and it’s going to be because he is short and light. He can win 3 SB’s and it will be because he has a great cast around him. He will never get a fair shake in this town. The die is cast. Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him. Let him go somewhere that he will be appreciated.
NFL executives are split on whether the Carolina Panthers will select Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud or Alabama's Bryce Young with the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft, per ESPN's Jeremy Fowler.
"I asked at least 20 NFL personnel people on this, and the votes are essentially split between Alabama's Bryce Young and Ohio State's C.J. Stroud. There might be a slight edge to Young, but it's still too close to decipher who the true favorite is right now. The Carolina Panthers have done a stealth job holding the suspense, and only a few people in their building truly know the name that's going on the draft card."
Per Joseph Person of The Athletic, league insiders believed the Panthers moved up for Stroud. Most people that ESPN's Dan Graziano spoke with at the league meetings also thought Stroud was the choice.
But there's been chatter backing Young, too. Of note, Peter King of NBC Sports wrote that "several influential voices" in the Panthers' organization favor Young. ESPN's Chris Mortensen also stated that Young will be the pick.
Regardless of which direction the Panthers go, it's clear the runner-up in this situation won't be waiting long to hear his name. The Houston Texans at No. 2 need a long-term solution at quarterback, and the same goes for the Indianapolis Colts at No. 4.
No media has publicly acknowledged any shoulder injury to Young, except the one he sustained Oct 1, 2022.As far as I know, everyone acknowledges the shoulder injuries last season. The problem is the other two, which information you got from medical sources. This information is not easily found, if at all, by the general public so is not readily acknowledged. It's not easy to have an opinion on something you know nothing about.
I just don’t think the Texans are going to take Stroud because of Mulugheta. If he’s there that is. Sure, they will eventually have to work with his clients, and maybe they are right now, but with this being such a high profile position I just think they’re still too close to this dude screwing them over. CJ ain’t happening in Houston.
As for the I told you so’s around here, who ******* cares? It wouldn’t be TT if there wasn’t a bunch of vomit you had to wade through.
I tend to agree. I haven't seen anything in the media, but I wasn't clear, in that I was referring to those on this forum.No media has publicly acknowledged any shoulder injury to Young, except the one he sustained Oct 1, 2022.
I certainly appreciate the line of thinking from your perspective. Understand that the medical evaluations of Draft candidates are not as all-inclusive as the public is made to believe.The shoulder is getting zero run in the sports media. It could be because they don't have the info, or it could be that it's not really seen as a big deal.
That said, CND tends to have some semi-inside info from time to time. I'm not about to disparage or dismiss his info. But anything he has, you can be sure the teams have it, and likely more than he has.
This is a QB. Yes corners are valuable, but QB's chosen in the top 5 have been poked and prodded more than aliens coming down to experiment on, and cross-breed with humans.
I certainly appreciate the line of thinking from your perspective. Understand that the medical evaluations of Draft candidates are not as all-inclusive as the public is made to believe.
Clowney is a perfect example of "protection" of a potential 1:1 Draft pick. In line with your assumption, teams and the media should have had no problems knowing, reporting and acting on his college injury history. But that didn't happen. Spurrier did nothing to highlight his injuries, rather (just like Saban with Young) minimized them when he even mentioned them in passing.
As I've mentioned previously, Young has never been made to submit to a shoulder arthrogram and/or an arthroscopy, which is the only reliable way to document labral and articular damage to a shoulder. This is because no Draft candidate can be forced to undergo an "invasive" procedure, especially if the results would likely be a negative to his draft status.
As far as I know, everyone acknowledges the shoulder injuries last season. The problem is the other two, which information you got from medical sources. This information is not easily found, if at all, by the general public so is not readily acknowledged. It's not easy to have an opinion on something you know nothing about.
CJ sounds so mature and wise beyond his years. His story coming up is pretty heartbreaking too
our QB coach is with Athlete's first as well as now Bryce YoungI just don’t think the Texans are going to take Stroud because of Mulugheta. If he’s there that is. Sure, they will eventually have to work with his clients, and maybe they are right now, but with this being such a high profile position I just think they’re still too close to this dude screwing them over. CJ ain’t happening in Houston.
As for the I told you so’s around here, who ******* cares? It wouldn’t be TT if there wasn’t a bunch of vomit you had to wade through.
What can't be minimized is that his positives only outweigh that one issue, if he manages to stay on the field.
At this point, I am coming around to the idea that it’s best if Panthers take Bryce and we go CJ. Every time Young gets a hangnail for the next decade it’ll be a hoarde of I told you so’s here and all over town. He could trip over a threshold and it’s going to be because he is short and light. He can win 3 SB’s and it will be because he has a great cast around him. He will never get a fair shake in this town. The die is cast. Frankly, this town doesn’t deserve him. Let him go somewhere that he will be appreciated.
But why shouldn't he, or maybe why hasn't he, volunteered to have these procedures. After all, it's his career which is under consideration.I certainly appreciate the line of thinking from your perspective. Understand that the medical evaluations of Draft candidates are not as all-inclusive as the public is made to believe.
Clowney is a perfect example of "protection" of a potential 1:1 Draft pick. In line with your assumption, teams and the media should have had no problems knowing, reporting and acting on his college injury history. But that didn't happen. Spurrier did nothing to highlight his injuries, rather (just like Saban with Young) minimized them when he even mentioned them in passing.
As I've mentioned previously, Young has never been made to submit to a shoulder arthrogram and/or an arthroscopy, which is the only reliable way to document labral and articular damage to a shoulder. This is because no Draft candidate can be forced to undergo an "invasive" procedure, especially if the results would likely be a negative to his draft status.
He's very instinctive at escaping pressure. But doing so, he's not looking to run. He's keeping his eyes downfield to find his open receiver.This is the essence of it all.
My concern is that I'm reading Young is not a scrambler. That alone is concerning because the pocket is a dangerous place for a QB of any size. If he cannot consistently escape pressure, then we'll have to hope he's durable against some much, much larger opponents.
Yeah he will get a fair shake. DeMeco has the goodwill of this city and they will give his first draft choice the benefit of the doubt.
And if Young wins consistently, it won't even be an issue. This city craves a QB and a winning team. We are a simple people. Just give us a reason to hope, and the city will support it accordingly.
Now, if Will Anderson Jr. with the Colts breaks Young in his rookie season, then yeah, we'll never hear the end of it. Let's hope this statement is just me being cynical. lol
I believe Nick. He was empathic on the point that an agent would not have bearing on whom the Texans would select in the draft.You can believe Nick or not, but he's stated vehemently that agents play no role in player selection and that it's bad business.
Probably more so than any QB prospect I've ever seen. Young's a magician.He's very instinctive at escaping pressure.
Unfortunately not when millions in contract and endorsements are involved. Players in this position are immensely more afraid of negative information being revealed than the potential appearance of "playing games" with the medicals.........they are coaxed by their agent that team and public ignorance can be bliss in cases like this. You've heard of the saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"? It's definitely no leap to change the wording and extrapolate this when speaking of injuries.QB position trumps CB position but to defy Medical advice without further in-depth scrutiny, seems desperate and unprofessional. Or definition of insanity
Yeah, I like him too. I think he goes a lot higher than anyone’s talking about right now.
deleteThat’s all I’m saying. Size matters. It just does.
And Young struggled with injuries this year and that was at Bama.
I can remember watching SEA play and mistake Wilson for Lynch walking up to the line. Wilson is built like a RB. With 10” hands. Young is built like a slot receiver.