Again, it comes down to the "luck" of where these QB's land.
Invariably on a piss-poor team to start with
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Again, it comes down to the "luck" of where these QB's land.
I'm curious about people's thoughts on Eli getting into the Hall of Fame.That tells us something .... Either you win with a an above average QB on a rookie contract or you don't win one at all - unless you have a HOFer QB - 8 of the 10 are probably HOFers - the other two had great defenses / running games to carry the load.
do believe Manning will get in but to me it seems like Plunkett should get in also.
I'm curious about people's thoughts on Eli getting into the Hall of Fame.
Jim Plunkett is the only QB with 2 or more Super Bowls not in the hall of fame.
Both Manning & Plunkett's win percentage are the same (.500). Plunkett does have more interceptions than touchdowns & Manning has a better completion rate. But you take away Eli's two SB rings & he has had a pretty mediocre career
Jim Plunkett 72-72-0 .500, Cmp% 52.5%, TD 164, Int 198, 2 Super Bowl victories
Eli Manning 117-117-0 .500, Cmp% 60.3%, TD 366, Int 244, 2 Super Bowl victories
I do believe Manning will get in but to me it seems like Plunkett should get in also.
Again, it comes down to the "luck" of where these QB's land.
Yeah , I think he belongs .... He was on several teams that just didn't have much talent.
When he was on the Raiders , his record was .583.
With both the 49ers and Patriots he was .500.
Heisman trophy , Rookie of the year , 2 Superbowls (the first minority QB to win one) , a Superbowl MVP .... Longest TD pass in league history. 8-2 as a starter in the playoffs.
Do you also think Eli belongs? I don't
That tells us something .... Either you win with a an above average QB on a rookie contract or you don't win one at all - unless you have a HOFer QB - 8 of the 10 are probably HOFers - the other two had great defenses / running games to carry the load.
Yeah , I think he belongs .... He was on several teams that just didn't have much talent.
When he was on the Raiders , his record was .583.
With both the 49ers and Patriots he was .500.
Heisman trophy , Rookie of the year , 2 Superbowls (the first minority QB to win one) , a Superbowl MVP .... Longest TD pass in league history. 8-2 as a starter in the playoffs.
Well .... unless Watson is a HOFer , the Texans have a two year window to win one with Watson looking at the history of that list.
(unless of course they put a historically great defense and running game on the field)
Do you also think Eli belongs? I don't
Do you see DW4 as one of these type QB's?
If they can just hold off one more season before deciding to pay DW. This season if played should provide lots of info.
The problem as I'm sure you realize is that a three-year contract is still going to be at 30 + million dollars per annum. I don't want to pay that unless I think he is the one to be our future franchise quarterback.This is why I'm hopeful that they give him a 3 yr deal with the guaranteed $$$$ in the 1st two yrs of the deal. The Texans should know if they have a championship level QB in 4 1/2 yrs. Unless you want to buy into the youngsters still learning crowd.
Invariably on a piss-poor team to start with
Manning was a prime example but it didn't take long for Polian to build a team around Manning. When it was done, Manning got busy delivering the goods. Watson hasn't enjoyed the savvy of a Polian building a team around him nor the leadership of a Tony Dungy. Watson has enjoyed the brilliance of this threesome; Smith, Gaines, and O'Brien......hhhmmm, doesn't have the same ring.
This was BOB's 1st yr as GM and I liked the moves to get Tunsil/Conley/Hyde/Cooks/Blacklock/Roby re-signing. Let's give BOB the GM a chance.
The problem as I'm sure you realize is that a three-year contract is still going to be at 30 + million dollars per annum. I don't want to pay that unless I think he is the one to be our future franchise quarterback.
Yeah but I want what I think is best for team.I'm OK with paying him because I'm willing to give the hey, he's a youngster crowd on this MB the rope to hang themselves with. Plus it's not my $$$$.
Do you also think Eli belongs? I don't
JJ Watt has stated he will not play This season if forced to wear a full face shield. Should laremy tunsil decide to do the same but Watson decides to play, I will be extremely concerned for injuries as we don't have adequate replacement. I could see Scharping taking over at left tackle but that still leaves a hole. Thoughts?
Thoughts
Why end of NFL?I doubt there will be many star defensive linemen playing, if there is a season. It's going to be like the first iteration of the XFL & will probably be the end of the NFL.
Why end of NFL?
Eli, no .. I DID enjoy his SB wins immensely... but sticking it to Tom Brady twice... while a pleasure to see.... especially the first one, but does not in my mind equal HOF worthy.
As for the Texans in disarray or not.... what isnt in disarray. I dont believe this will be resolved by the 2021 season... so I believe that even when it is resolved the Texans will pick up right where they left off.
Not so much a dislike of the man.... more a dislike of the same ole same ole.Agreed
Why do you dislike Brady so much. You have a dislike of greatness?
I dislike Brady because I'm convinced he and Belichic are cheaters. I recognize the talent and skills of both but dislike they have to cheat despite that. I also root for underdog. I have no issue with ego if like Ali you can back it up.Not so much a dislike of the man.... more a dislike of the same ole same ole.
I have never been about stacking the deck against Brady and the Patriots. I think to be the best, you have to beat the best, fairly.(Regardless of how they may "bend" the rules or not..... just cause your opposition doesnt have the same level character as you, you cant cry about them pushing the envelope because they thought of it first).
My thing is, unless my team is up there or a team I hate.... I root for the underdog. I was tired of it always being the Patriots and Brady, not a hater, just a lover of variety... as I said.... if you want to be the best, beat the best, dont cripple the best so you can take their spot)
Tge ego that comes with an undefeated team as tge Pats first loss to Eli, it was nice to see that shot of humility in the arm of Pats fans everywhere.
Even if my own team were unbeatable... it doesnt excuse being a jerk fan... some trash talk is good fun, but true arrogance is undeserved... especially by fans that didnt play.
That aside... no ill will to Brady or the Patriots, just always nice to see the underdog get one now and then... especially when tge under dog turns out to be Superman's kryptonite.
Again, crying about what they do or do not do is meaningless if those with the power to stop them, dont.I dislike Brady because I'm convinced he and Belichic are cheaters. I recognize the talent and skills of both but dislike they have to cheat despite that. I also root for underdog. I have no issue with ego if like Ali you can back it up.
It is not meaningless to me. Other teams may be cheating but that doesn't make it right and PATS only team that frequently do it. No I don't want my teams to "find a better way to cheat. Astros disgust me.Again, crying about what they do or do not do is meaningless if those with the power to stop them, dont.
The NFL has made it quite clear it is far more interested in the letter of its own rules, not the intent of those rules.
IF someone wants to beat Belichick and the Patriots at their own game...... think of it first and do it better than they do.
Hate the NFL for allowing it. All coaches out there look for that edge, all teams skirt the rules a bit. Acting like all are wholesome and pure and the Patriots are the only ones stretching... is naive at best.
Deflategate was a travesty of "justice". Nothing but a **** show and a witch hunt from start to finish. Spygate was the league serving notice that filming other team's practice sessions would no longer be tolerated. It was widely recognized that all teams did it. NE was merely the scapegoat that got publicly punished.I dislike Brady because I'm convinced he and Belichic are cheaters. I recognize the talent and skills of both but dislike they have to cheat despite that. I also root for underdog. I have no issue with ego if like Ali you can back it up.
Perpetually at the start of a long rebuild under OB.4 wins next year and he gets fired, but the team is in for a long rebuild
Most of my Texans fandom I have had to root that the other teams on our schedule have bigger problems than we do when the time comes for them to square off on the grid iron.
Regardless the amount of talent we’ve had, we’ve just never had a good team.
This year I feel fairly confident we’ll do well as we’re use to playing through some kind of BS & most teams aren’t.
Yeah and I have no idea where McNair goes to replace Obrien. If he goes elsewhere and is successful, we will hear about it for years especially if replacements are not good immediately. Better be a smart decision.. If it happens.Everything is up in the air.....Madden has predicted OB being gone. If the Texans were to lose their GM/HC in one move, things are going to change quickly.
I don’t put much stock in training camp reports from our media. I read part of the headline posted in the training camp thread pointing to Whitney Mercilus returning to his quarterback harassing, pass rushing self, or something like that, and kept on scrolling. I’ve also read elsewhere that the coaching staff is really high on John Reid. I’ve got to see them during real games before I buy into them. I believe Mercilus is overrated and overpaid and John Reid will be picked on a lot by opposing quarterbacks. In other words he’s going to look like a rookie.Coming up on 4 months since I created this thread. Purpose was to voice if this team and management has a plan going into 2020 and 2021 or are in disarray.
Has your opinion changed or solidified?
It is hard to evaluate comments coming from coaching any preseason but this one is more difficult for me.
Where I am today some based on news and some on my gut:
1. Health remains key but we do have some depth.
2. I think Watt, Roby, Jacob Martin and Fuller are four keys
3. Blacklock, John Reid and WR Isaac Whitney rookie draft picks that could have significant time on field.
4. Best non draft addition Brandin Cooks. I think with healthy oline this WR will assist Watson make pro bowl again and perhaps all pro by being probowler himself.
5. Player that concerns me the most.. Dashaun Watson. Spotlight on him even more if Obrien leaves Kelly alone. If offense remains healthy and we get 2/3 of David Johnson's production in 2016, Watson should be at least 2nd best QB in AFC and third in NFL.
Your thoughts?
I read part of the headline posted in the training camp thread pointing to Whitney Mercilus returning to his quarterback harassing, pass rushing self, or something like that, and kept on scrolling.
The only thing I know for sure, I won’t sit through watching the Texans offense of 2013-2016. If Watson gets injured or regresses to the degree of an offensive equivalence of Hoyer/Fitzpatrick/Osweiler/Yates, I will definitely not be watching. Those four years were the absolute low-point for me being a Texans fan. I felt unhappy watching those games. It was anti-entertaining.
Because that's what we do here.Why tell us?