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2021 Texans disarray or chugging along?

DocBar

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Here is a video of Big Ben doing all the things you love about him. Watch the plays where he holds onto the ball too long, drifting right, missing blitz pickups, bouncing off tacklers and making plays. Too bad the Texans don't have a QB doing these same things. You're welcome.

I wonder how many times Big Ben has hurt his team on those plays. It's easy to shine on a highlight reel.
 

steelbtexan

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But that's not what he's doing.

Jamiese Winston sucks. Jacoby Brissett sucks. Heck, even Marcus Mariota sucks.

But to say the Texans' QB suck, who obviously doesn't is racist (his opinion, not mine.)

So I think it has something to do with rating Watson closer to bust than elite that has him searching for ways to make sense of that type of criticism.
DW4's not a bust. He's an avg QB. Great some games, not so great others.

He's just not the God some around here think he is.
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
DW4's not a bust. He's an avg QB. Great some games, not so great others.

He's just not the God some around here think he is.
Is it a pre-requisite now that a QB be a "God" in order to win a championship? I think DW is plenty good enough if the team and staff can assist and not be a detriment. The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough.
 

steelbtexan

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Is it a pre-requisite now that a QB be a "God" in order to win a championship? I think DW is plenty good enough if the team and staff can assist and not be a detriment. The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough.
You're very much entitled to your opinion and I hope I'm wrong about DW4. He's not only not near good enough now, my opinion is he never will be good enough regardless of who the HC is. IMHO
 
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theCATALYST

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You're very much entitled to your opinion and I hope I'm wrong about DW4. He's not only near good enough now, my opinion is he never will be good enough regardless of who the HC is. IMHO
I agree about the opinion statement as it is really all any of us have. My opinion is that Watson is, or can be better than several QB's who have won the Superbowl in the past, namely the following;

Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Ben Rothlisberger (Yes, Ben too)
Eli Manning
Nick Foles
Joe Flacco

If this group of QB's can win, I have no doubt Watson can as well.
 

steelbtexan

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I agree about the opinion statement as it is really all any of us have. My opinion is that Watson is, or can be better than several QB's who have won the Superbowl in the past, namely the following;

Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Ben Rothlisberger (Yes, Ben too)
Eli Manning
Nick Foles
Joe Flacco

If this group of QB's can win, I have no doubt Watson can as well.
They will have to build a team around him like those QBs had.

Problem with that is even if they do, the Chiefs still have Mahomes.
 

KoolAid Sipper

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I agree about the opinion statement as it is really all any of us have. My opinion is that Watson is, or can be better than several QB's who have won the Superbowl in the past, namely the following;

Jeff Hostetler - Jim Kelly (HOF)
Mark Rypien - Jim Kelly (HOF)
Jim Plunkett - Joe Theismann (Good QB)
Doug Williams - John Elway (HOF)
Trent Dilfer -
Brad Johnson -
Ben Rothlisberger (Yes, Ben too) - Kurt Warner (HOF)
Eli Manning - Tom Brady twice (Some say GOAT)
Nick Foles - Tom Brady (Some say GOAT)
Joe Flacco

If this group of QB's can win, I have no doubt Watson can as well.
They will have to build a team around him like those QBs had.

Problem with that is even if they do, the Chiefs still have Mahomes.
Yes the team needs to be built around DW4 and that's not on him to build. However, he should be entering the phase where he is able to make those around him better. But look at some of the QBs that lost to medicore QB led teams, having a good to great QB doesn't automatically mean winning the SB.
 

badboy

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Yes the team needs to be built around DW4 and that's not on him to build. However, he should be entering the phase where he is able to make those around him better. But look at some of the QBs that lost to medicore QB led teams, having a good to great QB doesn't automatically mean winning the SB.
Yep it is not on him to build team by bringing guys in but as you say making those around him better. I think as a group the offense will be better including #4. Whether the moves were what I would have done, LT, LG and apparently Howard at RT better. RB better again hopefully but at least not standing still. Fells after best year for him was re-signed and many think WR Corps is best and fastest in long time. I am doubtful of Martin but stats are better than I thought he looked in 2019 so hopefully I am wrong on him. RG is question also for me will Fulton be significantly better healthier and with 2nd year Howard next to him 16 games? Maybe but I'm hoping R.Johnson and or Iguagwu surprise us.
 

Corrosion

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All social justice / racial discussion posts have been removed from this thread and placed in their own thread in the NSZ and can be found at this link.


Please keep the politics out of the Texans Talk section. This forum is for Football discussion , not politics or race. There is no black or white here , only Battle Red , Liberty White and Steel Blue.

If you want to argue black and white , this isn't the place for you.
 

theCATALYST

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All social justice / racial discussion posts have been removed from this thread and placed in their own thread in the NSZ and can be found at this link.


Please keep the politics out of the Texans Talk section. This forum is for Football discussion , not politics or race. There is no black or white here , only Battle Red , Liberty White and Steel Blue.

If you want to argue black and white , this isn't the place for you.
Agreed about the black/white debate, however at that link to the NSZ, beginning with post 48 we moved the discussion to Watson being better than some of the QB's who won the SuperBowl. Can those posts be brought back?
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
They will have to build a team around him like those QBs had.

Problem with that is even if they do, the Chiefs still have Mahomes.
Precisely. This is why I made the comment "The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough." as evidenced by the list of not-so-great QB's that have in fact won the SuperBowl.

And yes, Chiefs will still have Mahomes, but we will still have DW!! (Yes, thats a good thing).
 

Texansballer74

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Precisely. This is why I made the comment "The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough." as evidenced by the list of not-so-great QB's that have in fact won the SuperBowl.

And yes, Chiefs will still have Mahomes, but we will still have DW!! (Yes, thats a good thing).
Spot on
 

Corrosion

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Precisely. This is why I made the comment "The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough."
And yes, Chiefs will still have Mahomes, but we will still have DW!! (Yes, thats a good thing).
The gap between Mahomes and Watson is …. quite large in my opinion. That's one man's opinion …. take it for what its worth. But I think it gives KC more wiggle room than the Texans.

He's also said to be leaving money on the table to keep a competitive team around him - Something Watson said he isn't interested in - No discount!

Then …. There's OB Vs. Reid … Advantage KC by leaps and bounds.
 

banned1976

Fire Bill O’Brien, maybe?
The pining for Mahomes from Texans fans, when we have Watson, is quite sad. I like them both and would be happy and content with either of them. I’m very content with Watson.

Anyway, to the true spirit of this thread, I believe the Texans are teetering on the brink of a calamitous season. Too many gambles by O’Brien.
 

Corrosion

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Anyone thinking that Watson will get more $$$ than Mahomes on their respective extensions, please see me for a friendly wager.

Mahomes has made it clear that he wants to leave enough money on the table for other players. He could, if he wanted, take a harder-line position, telling management that it’s their job to manage the cap and to put quality players on the field with him.
Watson on the other hand -

Deshaun Watson won’t give Texans ‘hometown discount’ on contract extension

 

steelbtexan

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Precisely. This is why I made the comment "The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough." as evidenced by the list of not-so-great QB's that have in fact won the SuperBowl.

And yes, Chiefs will still have Mahomes, but we will still have DW!! (Yes, thats a good thing).
DW4's not good enough to win a championship if he's taking up 15% of the cap or more, which he will be doing. I doubt he can win a championship even at less than 15% after seeing 51-7.
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
DW4's not good enough to win a championship if he's taking up 15% of the cap or more, which he will be doing. I doubt he can win a championship even at less than 15% after seeing 51-7.
Not many QB's are.
Again, I think DW is good enough to win a championship, I just don't think out staff is good enough to surround him with the talent required when he begins taking up 15% of the cap. They have yet to do it on his rookie contract after all.

51-7 isn't all on the QB. That is a failure everyone can be proud of.
 

Lucky

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Watson on the other hand -

Deshaun Watson won’t give Texans ‘hometown discount’ on contract extension
OK, so there's no actual quote from Watson indicating a yes or no to a "hometown discount"? And since Watson is not an unrestricted free agent, the Texans are currently the only team he could negotiate with.

Offer still stands.
 

steelbtexan

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Not many QB's are.
Again, I think DW is good enough to win a championship, I just don't think out staff is good enough to surround him with the talent required when he begins taking up 15% of the cap. They have yet to do it on his rookie contract after all.

51-7 isn't all on the QB. That is a failure everyone can be proud of.
Nobody has been able to put together a championship squad with the QB taking up 15% of the cap.

51-7 - Agreed, a total team failure worthy of burning the whole thing to the ground and starting over with a new staff/QB/etc...
 

Corrosion

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Not many QB's are.
Again, I think DW is good enough to win a championship, I just don't think out staff is good enough to surround him with the talent required when he begins taking up 15% of the cap. They have yet to do it on his rookie contract after all.
Something I argued weeks ago when we were discussing how much his extension would be. NO QB has won a superbowl in a year that he took up 14% or more of the cap.

I also pointed out that the salary cap is almost guaranteed to take a dive as its derived from league revenue and paying him that ~$35m figure would equate to something like 23-26% of the cap the following season - how prudent is it for the team to negotiate under those circumstances when they don't have to ?

They'd be much better off negotiating with him in a year in which the cap is deflated in terms of future cap allocation. I don't particularly care how much he makes but how much they have to put a team arounds him.
 

KarlK

Waterboy
Something I argued weeks ago when we were discussing how much his extension would be. NO QB has won a superbowl in a year that he took up 14% or more of the cap.

I also pointed out that the salary cap is almost guaranteed to take a dive as its derived from league revenue and paying him that ~$35m figure would equate to something like 23-26% of the cap the following season - how prudent is it for the team to negotiate under those circumstances when they don't have to ?

They'd be much better off negotiating with him in a year in which the cap is deflated in terms of future cap allocation. I don't particularly care how much he makes but how much they have to put a team arounds him.
Good thing the Texans have been preparing for when Watson will eat up a big chunk of cap space, by wisely loading up on premium draft picks who will be on cheap contracts the next 4-5 years. Oh, wait.....
 

Corrosion

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hopefully Mahomes signs first. Set the market

If you ask me - and you didn't …. I wouldn't negotiate that contract this offseason , I'd wait for next year and the post covid landscape to settle. I just made a post in another thread on the entire subject / cap ramifications of a Watson extension in relation to cap percentages.

Obviously doing so now is advantageous to Watson individually but not so much for the franchise.

Here's the link - https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/watson-tunsil-contracts.115077/page-8#post-3074726
 

Trail.Blazr

Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV



Watson on the other hand -

Deshaun Watson won’t give Texans ‘hometown discount’ on contract extension


I wouldn't give a hometown discount either. I would "if" I thought enough of the people I'm playing for, but I honestly can't see any reason to believe that this team is truly a believer in BOB.

As for why I support many who think Houston can't win a SB with DW4... He's got one major handicap. And you'd ask him to take less to feed what's handicapping him?

Spotted a 24-0 lead on Jan 12, 2020, he obviously couldn't get it done :kitten:

I'd call it Disarray

dis·ar·ray
/ˌdisəˈrā/

noun
a state of disorganization or untidiness.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Precisely. This is why I made the comment "The goal here is for the entire team to be "good enough" to win, not just the QB. DW is already good enough." as evidenced by the list of not-so-great QB's that have in fact won the SuperBowl.

And yes, Chiefs will still have Mahomes, but we will still have DW!! (Yes, thats a good thing).
True but I don't trade up two firsts to #12 pick for a good enough QB. He needs to make teammates better and it could be said the vacuum known as Hopkins made DW better. I do give #4 credit for making Fells a career best. If Dashaun cannot have himself career best season with our WR/TE and RBs he needs to be traded.
 

Corrosion

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I wouldn't give a hometown discount either. I would "if" I thought enough of the people I'm playing for, but I honestly can't see any reason to believe that this team is truly a believer in BOB.

As for why I support many who think Houston can't win a SB with DW4... He's got one major handicap. And you'd ask him to take less to feed what's handicapping him?

Spotted a 24-0 lead on Jan 12, 2020, he obviously couldn't get it done :kitten:

I'd call it Disarray

dis·ar·ray
/ˌdisəˈrā/

noun
a state of disorganization or untidiness.

I'd get all I could too .... don't get me wrong.


My point was as a fan I wouldn't want one player taking upwards of 24% of the cap in the future as the cap for 21 is expected to drop from 198m to 141m and it could take nearly a decade to recover to the current value.

EDIT - As I explained in this post in another thread - https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/watson-tunsil-contracts.115077/page-8#post-3074726
 

Texansballer74

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True but I don't trade up two firsts to #12 pick for a good enough QB. He needs to make teammates better and it could be said the vacuum known as Hopkins made DW better. I do give #4 credit for making Fells a career best. If Dashaun cannot have himself career best season with our WR/TE and RBs he needs to be traded.
You can not put that on the youngster that quickly. He’s still fresh to this particular system correct. But in the NFL that’s mainly up to the coaches and individual players to make them better. Now let’s dig deep here. Since day one that kid came in got with his receivers correct. So theoretically he’s making them better. Especially those that come in who has to learn that playbook.
Watson is actually better than just good enough.
 

steelbtexan

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You can not put that on the youngster that quickly. He’s still fresh to this particular system correct. But in the NFL that’s mainly up to the coaches and individual players to make them better. Now let’s dig deep here. Since day one that kid came in got with his receivers correct. So theoretically he’s making them better. Especially those that come in who has to learn that playbook.
Watson is actually better than just good enough.
How long is long enough before you can start putting things on the God of the Texans? Yr 4, yr 6 yr 10?
 

OptimisticTexan

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I'd get all I could too .... don't get me wrong.


My point was as a fan I wouldn't want one player taking upwards of 24% of the cap in the future as the cap for 21 is expected to drop from 198m to 141m and it could take nearly a decade to recover to the current value.

EDIT - As I explained in this post in another thread - https://www.texanstalk.com/threads/watson-tunsil-contracts.115077/page-8#post-3074726
The greed of owners for another teams star is the monster of their own creation. It never had to go down this path but like an addict they just couldn't help themselves. It'll be dang near impossible to dump the cap with the current contracts signed.

Owners will have to do one thing or another......suck up their losses for the 2020 season and write it off their taxes or lose the 2020 season and try to restructure their entire player contract structure. Talking about setting hard contracts limits thus allowing teams to keep their developed players and only add players who have been released or are FA's. Gets really complicated so in all reality, owners just need to suck up the losses for 2020 or probably face a players strike.
 

Corrosion

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The greed of owners for another teams star is the monster of their own creation. It never had to go down this path but like an addict they just couldn't help themselves. It'll be dang near impossible to dump the cap with the current contracts signed.

Owners will have to do one thing or another......suck up their losses for the 2020 season and write it off their taxes or lose the 2020 season and try to restructure their entire player contract structure. Talking about setting hard contracts limits thus allowing teams to keep their developed players and only add players who have been released or are FA's. Gets really complicated so in all reality, owners just need to suck up the losses for 2020 or probably face a players strike.

I can't see the owners each accepting $60m - $80m each in losses , that's about $2b-$2.5b for the first year alone - it could take several years of those losses to get the cap back where it was pre-covid.

Keep in mind , this is assuming the entire 2020 season is played (with no fans) and that 2021 returns to normal. It gets significantly worse if all or part of 2020 is lost and or 2021 doesn't see fans return to the seats.

Can you really see them taking those kinda losses and not expecting the players to share in that ?

From what I've heard , there will be a whole lot of players cut - those who don't have much dead money and aren't really "stars". They'll all hit the market and get shuffled around and share what's remaining of the cap that stars and contracts with lots of dead money don't take up.

Guys like McKinney , Brandon Cooks & David Johnson. Between those three there's almost 25m in cap relief with only 3.6m in dead money for 2021.

Add to those type of cuts free agent losses in the range of $50m and they are under the cap projections by about 10m - with several roster spots to fill. It would obviously take more maneuvering .... but those 3 were just examples.

This is why I think its a terrible time for teams to be extending top dollar type players (like Watson) - they need to do that next year when they have a better understanding of where the cap will be.
Tunsil's contract will be a terrible one going forward , eating up a projected 11.4% of the cap in 21 while having $25.9m in dead money which equates to 18.3% of the cap projection.
 

badboy

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I can't see the owners each accepting $60m - $80m each in losses , that's about $2b-$2.5b for the first year alone - it could take several years of those losses to get the cap back where it was pre-covid.

Keep in mind , this is assuming the entire 2020 season is played (with no fans) and that 2021 returns to normal. It gets significantly worse if all or part of 2020 is lost and or 2021 doesn't see fans return to the seats.

Can you really see them taking those kinda losses and not expecting the players to share in that ?

From what I've heard , there will be a whole lot of players cut - those who don't have much dead money and aren't really "stars". They'll all hit the market and get shuffled around and share what's remaining of the cap that stars and contracts with lots of dead money don't take up.

Guys like McKinney , Brandon Cooks & David Johnson. Between those three there's almost 25m in cap relief with only 3.6m in dead money for 2021.

Add to those type of cuts free agent losses in the range of $50m and they are under the cap projections by about 10m - with several roster spots to fill. It would obviously take more maneuvering .... but those 3 were just examples.

This is why I think its a terrible time for teams to be extending top dollar type players (like Watson) - they need to do that next year when they have a better understanding of where the cap will be.
Tunsil's contract will be a terrible one going forward , eating up a projected 11.4% of the cap in 21 while having $25.9m in dead money which equates to 18.3% of the cap projection.
I think I read that each NFL team net profit 2019 was four hundred million dollars. If so and that is staggering, teams can easily absorb $80 million loss. I think we will see a winnowing out off JAGs with over value deals.

Edit, just quick googled and$225 million each
 

mws

Waterboy
Maybe not win the Super Bowl but here is at least one that made it to the Super Bowl.

Matt Ryan's salary in 2016 when the Falcons played the Patriots in Super Bowl 51 (played here in NRG stadium).

Base Salary:$15,750,000, Prorated Bonus:$8,000,000, Cap Number:$23,750,000, Cap %:15.0%, Cash Paid:$15,750,000

Salary info found here at 'Over the Cap'.
 

mws

Waterboy
Found another one. In 2009 Peyton Manning's $21,199,998 cap number was 17.2% of the salary cap when the Colts lost to Saints in Super Bowl 44.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
The greed of owners for another teams star is the monster of their own creation. It never had to go down this path but like an addict they just couldn't help themselves. It'll be dang near impossible to dump the cap with the current contracts signed.

Owners will have to do one thing or another......suck up their losses for the 2020 season and write it off their taxes or lose the 2020 season and try to restructure their entire player contract structure. Talking about setting hard contracts limits thus allowing teams to keep their developed players and only add players who have been released or are FA's. Gets really complicated so in all reality, owners just need to suck up the losses for 2020 or probably face a players strike.
I'm trying to think............When did players in any sport really come out ahead after a strike?
 

mws

Waterboy
I think MLB has won some things like pension funds, salary arbitration & free agency by striking. With the NFL not so much. In fact free agency (probably the biggest change in professional football) came about after the union dissolved itself.

Without a union and a binding contract individual players could go to court. Remember when the judge allowed 4 or 5 guys to become free agents back in the early nineties? One of those was Webster Slaughter & that's how the Oilers were able to sign him away from the Browns.

If I remember correctly it was Reggie White that filed the class action suit against the NFL for free agency in 1992 or 1993 that finally started talks that resulted in a CBA that allowed free agency & the salary cap.
 

Corrosion

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Maybe not win the Super Bowl but here is at least one that made it to the Super Bowl.

Matt Ryan's salary in 2016 when the Falcons played the Patriots in Super Bowl 51 (played here in NRG stadium).

Base Salary:$15,750,000, Prorated Bonus:$8,000,000, Cap Number:$23,750,000, Cap %:15.0%, Cash Paid:$15,750,000

Salary info found here at 'Over the Cap'.
Found another one. In 2009 Peyton Manning's $21,199,998 cap number was 17.2% of the salary cap when the Colts lost to Saints in Super Bowl 44.

What has my statement been on this subject ?

Plain and simple - NO NFL team has won a superbowl with a QB earning greater than 14% of the cap in that particular year.

Now you want to move the goal posts injecting two QB's who have reached and subsequently LOST superbowls while earning greater than 14% of the cap.

Since 1994 NO QB had won a superbowl exceeding the 13.1% of the cap Steve Young earned in 1994 - The first year of the salary cap .... That figure still stands as the largest cap hit by a QB to WIN a superbowl.

Your two examples of QB's reaching the superbowl make up 3.8% of Superbowl QB's since the salary cap was implemented or 2 out of 52 potential QB's. Those are surely outliers in reaching the superbowl much less winning it.

Here's an interesting article on the subject from 2015 .... https://overthecap.com/super-bowl-titles-high-salary-quarterbacks/
Super Bowl Titles and High Salary Quarterbacks
With Aaron Rodgers now eliminated from winning the Super Bowl, it means that Steve Young’s record as the highest salary cap clogging QB to win a Super Bowl remains intact. Young’s cap figure that season took up 13.1% of the 49ers salary cap. That year was 1994, the first year the salary cap was in existence. So in 20 years no Super Bowl winning team has invested a higher percentage of their cap on a QB than the first team to ever win one in the cap era. Yet teams continue to pour more and more money into that position each season.

Since Young’s championship in 1994, only three other quarterbacks have eaten up 10% of their teams salary cap- Eli Manning in 2011 (11.7%), Peyton Manning in 2006 (10.4%), and Brett Favre in 1996 (10.2%). The average spend on a Super Bowl QB has been just 6.4%. If Brady wins the Super Bowl his cap percentage will fit between the Manning brothers at 11.1%. Russell Wilson’s 0.49% would rank below all others except for Brady in 2001 who cost just 0.47% of the Patriots salary cap. If Brady wins he will become just the fourth QB to win a title after signing a large contract extension. The others to do so were the Manning’s and Ben Roethlisberger.
 

steelbtexan

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What has my statement been on this subject ?

Plain and simple - NO NFL team has won a superbowl with a QB earning greater than 14% of the cap in that particular year.

Now you want to move the goal posts injecting two QB's who have reached and subsequently LOST superbowls while earning greater than 14% of the cap.

Since 1994 NO QB had won a superbowl exceeding the 13.1% of the cap Steve Young earned in 1994 - The first year of the salary cap .... That figure still stands as the largest cap hit by a QB to WIN a superbowl.

Your two examples of QB's reaching the superbowl make up 3.8% of Superbowl QB's since the salary cap was implemented or 2 out of 52 potential QB's. Those are surely outliers in reaching the superbowl much less winning it.

Here's an interesting article on the subject from 2015 .... https://overthecap.com/super-bowl-titles-high-salary-quarterbacks/
Great article

Thanks for the facts.
 

mws

Waterboy
Here's another interesting thing. Out of the 26 Super Bowls since the cap only 10 QBs have had more than 5 years in the NFL when they won a championship.

Steve Young 1
Troy Aikman 1
John Elway 2
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 6
Brad Johnson 1
Peyton Manning 2
Eli Manning 2
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Drew Brees 1

But between them they have won 19 of 26 Super Bowls since the cap (most of the credit for this goes to Brady). This includes all of their wins not just the ones after 5 years. This is only from 1994 on.

Here are the other 7 winners. They all had 5 years or less in the NFL when they won.

Brett Favre
Kurt Warner
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Patrick Mahomes
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Here's another interesting thing. Out of the 26 Super Bowls since the cap only 10 QBs have had more than 5 years in the NFL when they won a championship.

Steve Young 1
Troy Aikman 1
John Elway 2
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 6
Brad Johnson 1
Peyton Manning 2
Eli Manning 2
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Drew Brees 1

But between them they have won 19 of 26 Super Bowls since the cap (most of the credit for this goes to Brady). This includes all of their wins not just the ones after 5 years. This is only from 1994 on.

Here are the other 7 winners. They all had 5 years or less in the NFL when they won.

Brett Favre
Kurt Warner
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Patrick Mahomes

That tells us something .... Either you win with a an above average QB on a rookie contract or you don't win one at all - unless you have a HOFer QB - 8 of the 10 are probably HOFers - the other two had great defenses / running games to carry the load.
 


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