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Injury Discussion Thread

CloakNNNdagger said:

INJURY REPORT Week 1​


TEXANS

PlayerPositionInjuryWedThuFriGame Status
M.J. StewartSAFDNPUNSPECIFIED


STEWART-DON'T KNOW WHY THE INJURY WAS NOT IDENTIFIED..............IT IS A KNEE INJURY...............HE IS ALSO STILL REHABBING FROM HIS NOV 2023 SHOULDER FRACTURE.
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That might explain why I thought MJ was playing so poorly in preseason. I used to feel like him and Murray were the same player, but this year Murray was noticably significantly better than MJ. To the point where I thought MJ might get cut. Kinda wish we'd have kept Lonnie Johnson now (not a sentence I could have seen myself writing a few years ago).

CloakNNNdagger said:
I still don't feel very comfortable with Anderson returning for this game.
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Me either. I'm starting to get concerned we're going to run this kid into the ground and start impeding him with body wear and tear that is permanent. How they handled his injury last season looked way too short sighted and I'm afraid they're continuing the same mistake.

Makes more sense to risk it when you're so close to making the playoffs and playing in the playoffs - Even if I don't agree with it. This early in the season? No reason to risk further damage imo.
 
Sweech said:
Me either. I'm starting to get concerned we're going to run this kid into the ground and start impeding him with body wear and tear that is permanent. How they handled his injury last season looked way too short sighted and I'm afraid they're continuing the same mistake.

Makes more sense to risk it when you're so close to making the playoffs and playing in the playoffs - Even if I don't agree with it. This early in the season? No reason to risk further damage imo.
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Bringing a player back too early from injury, especially in the case of an injury such as a significant high ankle sprain, may not result in seeing the problem manifest the first game back, but will many times have longer term implications.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Bringing a player back too early from injury, especially in the case of an injury such as a significant high ankle sprain, may not result in seeing the problem manifest the first game back, but will many times have longer term implications.
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He hasn't played at all this preseason.

How much longer would you recommend they hold him out?

If he plays and is healthy, how many plays would you have him participating in, since obviously he's not going to be in top shape?
 
steelbtexan said:
He hasn't played at all this preseason.

How much longer would you recommend they hold him out?

If he plays and is healthy, how many plays would you have him participating in, since obviously he's not going to be in top shape?
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good question....will he be on a pitch count? I know that high ankle sprains take a really long time to heal properly and get back to 100%...but that time varies from person to person too...so thats another unknown.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
good question....will he be on a pitch count? I know that high ankle sprains take a really long time to heal properly and get back to 100%...but that time varies from person to person too...so thats another unknown.
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I'll gladly take a pitch count game from WAJ if it's like that Tennessee game last season. 12 snaps, 2 sacks.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
good question....will he be on a pitch count? I know that high ankle sprains take a really long time to heal properly and get back to 100%...but that time varies from person to person too...so thats another unknown.
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Have the Texans ever shown that they wait for the player to be 100% before returning from injury, barring season-ending injuries/illnesses? I don't trust the opinions of their medical staff and I damn sure don't trust the player to be honest about their status.
 
steelbtexan said:
He hasn't played at all this preseason.

How much longer would you recommend they hold him out?

If he plays and is healthy, how many plays would you have him participating in, since obviously he's not going to be in top shape?
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sprtsfanatic said:
good question....will he be on a pitch count? I know that high ankle sprains take a really long time to heal properly and get back to 100%...but that time varies from person to person too...so thats another unknown.
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I already answered that question in the Texans/Colts thread a couple days ago. Estimated times to return from injury do not override the appropriate progress that is or isn't being made in the rehab process.



CloakNNNdagger said:
Anderson just began running less than a week ago. This was straight line running. The next stage of rehab is concentrating on strengthening and proprioception training (gaining awareness of the leg, foot and joint positions in space) which usually will require at least ~2 weeks before cutting drills are safely allowed. Then safe game play (to lessen the potential for re-injury) will need additional time for strengthening and proprioception.

It doesn't seem to me that Anderson can return for the Colts game as safely as he should.
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Seems like speculation unless you’ve got some specific knowledge of his situation. It’s the NFL. Guys play hurt. Back in the day, they would play on one foot with 3 broken fingers.

Years ago I read a book by HOF player Art Donovan called Fatso: Football when men were really men.

Great book. I highly recommend it. It’s been probably 25+ years since I read it, but even then…I was like these players today (90s) can’t hold a candle to those guys in the 50’s.

These players today would piss their pants if they lined up across from Art or some of his contemporaries of his era. Get the book. It’s very entertaining, funny and engaging.
 
Porky said:
Seems like speculation unless you’ve got some specific knowledge of his situation. It’s the NFL. Guys play hurt. Back in the day, they would play on one ftoot with 3 broken fingers.

Years ago I read a book by HOF player Art Donovan called Fatso: Football when men were really men.

Great book. I highly recommend it. It’s been probably 25+ years since I read it, but even then…I was like these players today (90s) can’t hold a candle to those guys in the 50’s.

These players today would piss their pants if they lined up across from Art or some of his contemporaries of his era. Get the book. It’s very entertaining, funny and engaging.
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Hmmm. Thanks for clarifying that this is the NFL.

There are exceptions to everything. For example, there have been those cases of ACL ruptures that were able to come back in shorter than the expected 9-12 months. Others then took the cue that that should be the norm and tried to return then and with or without setbacks still required the expected 9-12 months. Ligaments have certain required healing strength times whether you are 100 lbs or 300 lbs. When players ignore or shortcut rehab landmarks, in the long run, good things do not tend to happen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I already answered that question in the Texans/Colts thread a couple days ago. Estimated times to return from injury do not override the appropriate progress that is or isn't being made in the rehab process.
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Appoximately when would you put him back on the field?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Bringing a player back too early from injury, especially in the case of an injury such as a significant high ankle sprain, may not result in seeing the problem manifest the first game back, but will many times have longer term implications.
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What benchmarks would you set for a return to play for a high ankle sprain and why? What would you look for from a performance level?
 
I’m concerned about Anderson no doubt. All I’m saying is it’s a physical sport. Guys are getting paid to play through pain, like it or not. There is millions and millions of dollars on the line. Dollars distort reality. If the players want to be paid like they are…they have to play when they are less than 100% healthy.

He has been fully cleared, and all we can do is hope it’s not a limiting factor tomorrow and forward. I suspect it may be unfortunately..but TBD.
 
Porky said:
I’m concerned about Anderson no doubt. All I’m saying is it’s a physical sport. Guys are getting paid to play through pain, like it or not. There is millions and millions of dollars on the line. Dollars distort reality. If the players want to be paid like they are…they have to play when they are less than 100% healthy.

He has been fully cleared, and all we can do is hope it’s not a limiting factor tomorrow and forward. I suspect it may be unfortunately..but TBD.
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Id prefer a pitch count on him just to limit his playtime and try to bring him back up to full speed slowly....but of course he plays like the tazmanian devel and like his hair is on fire...so just hoping he doesnt aggravate it again/more and gets back to 100% for the rest of the season
 
steelbtexan said:
I went back and looked. I didn't see when you thought it would be appropriate for him to play. I didn't check the Texans - Colts game day thread.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Anderson just began running less than a week ago. This was straight line running. The next stage of rehab is concentrating on strengthening and proprioception training (gaining awareness of the leg, foot and joint positions in space) which usually will require at least ~2 weeks before cutting drills are safely allowed. Then safe game play (to lessen the potential for re-injury) will need additional time for strengthening and proprioception.

It doesn't seem to me that Anderson can return for the Colts game as safely as he should.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Do you really believe that only 1 player SHOULD be on the Injury Report?
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I I know the injury report is a chess piece used between teams but…. I myself have no reason to believe otherwise. It’s a new season. Theoretically, everybody -should- be fresh and ready to go.
 
Players play through injuries all the time, and it sometimes hurts their performance and they can reinjure themselves doing it. Happens all the time in the NFL and you always hate to see it, but it's just the way the NFL rolls.
 
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badboy said:
Perhaps he was injured in the pregame activities? As I said I never saw him on the field but that would not be unusual.
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I get game day automatic text messages… and one of those had Okudah -out- for the game much earlier in the day. I want to say as early as like 8:30am. Maybe a little later but well before the game.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Third cornerback Jeff Okudah has finally returned to practice from his hip injury. Earlier in camp, they tried to have him begin practicing, but quickly had to back off. Hopefully, his return will be uninterrupted.
whodknee said:
He was zero on the snap count list
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I was skeptical that Okudah's hip was ready for return.

Snap counts aren't counted on STs...........when he was RE-injured.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Evidently, some sites enumerate STs snap counts while others don't. As I originally posted, the re-injury must have occurred on a STs play.
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The snap counts I posted are from Pro Football Reference. You can also find snap counts (including special teams) from the NFL Gamebooks, it's just easier for me to post from pro football reference.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I was skeptical that Okudah's hip was ready for return.

Snap counts aren't counted on STs...........when he was RE-injured.
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Ah, I did not know that and that helps clarify the picture.
Edit.. until other info says they are counted. This is what I like .. ambiguity!
 
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