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Injury Discussion Thread

leebigeztx said:
@CloakNNNdagger how do Will Fries injury affect his future?
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His injury was formally reported as a right tibia fracture. However, it was in fact a tibia/fibula fracture. With the AirCast not extending above the knee, it is obvious to me that it was not a tibia plateau fracture. Since he did not have a prolonged hospital stay following his immediate surgery, his fracture would not have been comminuted (multiple fragment) fractures, or involve open fractures or neurovascular injuries. Therefore, I would expect for him to be good to go without significant performance effects in 2025.

[I am not really sure why he was strapped into a back board when carted off............did not seem necessary]

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CloakNNNdagger said:
His injury was formally reported as a right tibia fracture. However, it was in fact a tibia/fibula fracture. With the AirCast not extending above the knee, it is obvious to me that it was not a tibia plateau fracture. Since he did not have a prolonged hospital stay following his immediate surgery, his fracture would not have been comminuted (multiple fragment) fractures, or involve open fractures or neurovascular injuries. Therefore, I would expect for him to be good to go without significant performance effects in 2025.

[I am not really sure why he was strapped into a back board when carted off............did not seem necessary]

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Thanks!
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
nfltraderumors.co

Texans WR Tank Dell Undergoing ACL Surgery Today

Per Aaron Wilson, Texans WR Tank Dell is undergoing surgery to repair his torn anterior cruciate ligament today. Wilson adds that his road to recovery will continue after having his LCL and MCL surgically repaired
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I really hope the Texans give Tank Dell the required time to heal and rehabilitate so he can return to the team in 2026 with a clean bill of health.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
nfltraderumors.co

Texans WR Tank Dell Undergoing ACL Surgery Today

Per Aaron Wilson, Texans WR Tank Dell is undergoing surgery to repair his torn anterior cruciate ligament today. Wilson adds that his road to recovery will continue after having his LCL and MCL surgically repaired
nfltraderumors.co nfltraderumors.co
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Thanks for posting the correct article. Looks like I posted the one before that went into the news thread. Horrible news for both individuals
 
badboy said:
Thanks for posting the correct article. Looks like I posted the one before that went into the news thread. Horrible news for both individuals
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Chubbs looked terrible last season. Because Tank's position requires more mobility, quickness and more direction change flexibility, he is much less likely to return. And his thin body structure is less likely to take lower extremity trauma well.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I wonder how the rehab is going for Jordan and Stover. Any insight @CloakNNNdagger ?
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We certainly haven't had much luck in keeping TEs healthy. Stover underwent an open clavicle (collarbone) repair with plate and screws mid Jan of this year. NFL players can usually return to play (~95%) at usually ~7 months although some have been able to return as soon as 4-5 months while others as long as 11 months. I have not heard of any setbacks, so at this position I feel that his return would be around the 7 month mark. The good news is that those that return usually can return to pre-injury performance and can play out as many games as their non-injured counterparts.

As far as Jordan, he underwent surgery on in his ACL last Sept. A 2024 survey of teams revealed that they allowed their post ACL players to return ~9 month post surgery...............but none allowed return before 7 month. TEs have always been placed in the WR category re. NFL ACL studies. They showed that ~20% decrease in TE performance along with decreased snaps and career longevity could be expected upon return. Jordan also sustained meniscus damage which you see in ~65% of players sustaining ACLs. He now has ~20% risk of suffering another ACL rupture (ipsilateral or contralateral). Not a rosy picture, but not a hopeless one.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We certainly haven't had much luck in keeping TEs healthy. Stover underwent an open clavicle (collarbone) repair with plate and screws mid Jan of this year. NFL players can usually return to play (~95%) at usually ~7 months although some have been able to return as soon as 4-5 months while others as long as 11 months. I have not heard of any setbacks, so at this position I feel that his return would be around the 7 month mark. The good news is that those that return usually can return to pre-injury performance and can play out as many games as their non-injured counterparts.

As far as Jordan, he underwent surgery on in his ACL last Sept. A 2024 survey of teams revealed that they allowed their post ACL players to return ~9 month post surgery...............but none allowed return before 7 month. TEs have always been placed in the WR category re. NFL ACL studies. They showed that ~20% decrease in TE performance along with decreased snaps and career longevity could be expected upon return. Jordan also sustained meniscus damage which you see in ~65% of players sustaining ACLs. He now has ~20% risk of suffering another ACL rupture (ipsilateral or contralateral). Not a rosy picture, but not a hopeless one.
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The Texans are still putting out hope (I believe false hope) for Tank. The article points to Nick Chubb's return from a similar injury without mentioning his poor return performance.

Ward's injury has been tiptoed around, with the team avoiding specifying the injury besides it being a "foot injury." I have found that the injury was a midfoot sprain. The only midfoot sprain that I am aware of that requires surgery is a Lisfranc. Outcome is to be determined.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1920217074367930676
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Texans are still putting out hope (I believe false hope) for Tank. The article points to Nick Chubb's return from a similar injury without mentioning his poor return performance.

Ward's injury has been tiptoed around, with the team avoiding specifying the injury besides it being a "foot injury." I have found that the injury was a midfoot sprain. The only midfoot sprain that I am aware of that requires surgery is a Lisfranc. Outcome is to be determined.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1920217074367930676
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One could make the case that Nick drafted replacements for both, can't find fault with his thought process in doing so
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The article points to Nick Chubb's return from a similar injury without mentioning his poor return performance.
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Poor return performance? Do you know know what team he played for last year?

SMH.

Houston is a -perfect- destination. He can split loads with Mixon. He would net a better return than Pierce. He’s proven. By that I mean it would be a very cheap signing along with netting a trade for Pierce with someone along the way. I sure hope we get Chubb.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Poor return performance? Do you know know what team he played for last year?

SMH.

Houston is a -perfect- destination. He can split loads with Mixon. He would net a better return than Pierce. He’s proven. By that I mean it would be a very cheap signing along with netting a trade for Pierce with someone along the way. I sure hope we get Chubb.
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Texans are being linked to Chubb. After drafting Marks, unsure of why. Unless they do let Pierce go.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Poor return performance? Do you know know what team he played for last year?

SMH.

Houston is a -perfect- destination. He can split loads with Mixon. He would net a better return than Pierce. He’s proven. By that I mean it would be a very cheap signing along with netting a trade for Pierce with someone along the way. I sure hope we get Chubb.
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His injury is such that even him being an nfl caliber rb is heavily in doubt. Rotation or not. There’s a reason he’s still a free agent.
 
Which of our projected 53 should we be concerned that will have a high risk of re-injury?

Kirk, Mixon, Collins, Howard or Pitre, Harris or Trent Brown, etc?
It was not long ago that we drafted three or four players that had injuries in college. I do not think any of our top three have recent injuries in college
 
Lucky said:
It would be poor form to do otherwise. Tank is a beloved member of the team and to not support him would reflect badly on the organization. Dell's return is a long shot. But a guy like Dell making it to the NFL was a long shot to begin with. I'm pulling for him.
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I agree. My statement was to interject realistic expectations.
 
Nick off season acquisitions point to Tank Dell; healthy.. he has a roster spot. Tank unable to play.. "we love you" and team ready with replacement.
 
steelbtexan said:
How Caserio/Ryans handled the 2025 draft should tell everybody what the chances they think Dell has of ever making it back. I hope Dell beats the odds.
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It was a pretty serious injury and I hope for the best for that young man, but I would say that the draft was more of a realization that after losing Dell and Diggs that our other WR's didnt step up and we needed size, speed, and the ability to create separation as an immediate need in order for our offense to move the ball and score points.
 
TexanBorn51 said:
Not surprising but Tank Dell out for 2025. Also injury update on Brown and Ward.

www.profootballrumors.com

Texans' Tank Dell Expected To Miss Season

Texans wide receiver Tank Dell is not expected to play in 2025 as he recovers from last season's brutal knee injury.
www.profootballrumors.com www.profootballrumors.com
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I just want to see him regain his best possible health before suiting up again. Get well Tank and stay laser focused on the 2026 season….it’ll be fun to see you back.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
@CloakNNNdagger, can you clarify why Mixon is on the NFI list? I thought his issue was something that lingered from playing last season.
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Joe Mixon was involved in two separate plays last season where he was tackled using a hip-drop technique, resulting in injuries. One instance occurred in Week 2 against the Bears and another in week 15 against the Dolphins. While Mixon missed time due to an ankle injury in Week 2, he was able to return to the game in Week 15. Neither injury was treated surgically. With that in mind, understand that the high ankle ligaments with such injuries are stretched out and will always be looser to some extent than pre-injury, unless surgically tightened/secured.

This creates ankle instability. This means the ankle joint becomes looser and more prone to "giving way," at the same time increasing the risk for high ankle re-injury or new low ankle injury on either side.

When the ankle is unstable, the body naturally tries to compensate to maintain balance and avoid further injury. This often involves altering the way you walk run, and put weight on your feet. There is increased stress on foot structures with these
compensatory movements placing undue stress on different parts of the foot, such as other ligaments, tendons, muscles, and even joints, leading to new injuries or problems.

Reports on Mixon's injuries have been all over the place..............some saying his high ankle injuries were to his left side, other saying to the right side. The latest injury has been reported as a foot injury........others reported as an ankle injury. The truth is that the original high ankle injuries have been on his right side. And his most recent NFI list injury is not a foot injury, not a low ankle injury, but a left high ankle injury.

The above should explain why I have previously posted my guarded prognosis for Mixon being able to consistently stay on the field this season.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Joe Mixon was involved in two separate plays last season where he was tackled using a hip-drop technique, resulting in injuries. One instance occurred in Week 2 against the Bears and another in week 15 against the Dolphins. While Mixon missed time due to an ankle injury in Week 2, he was able to return to the game in Week 15. Neither injury was treated surgically. With that in mind, understand that the high ankle ligaments with such injuries are stretched out and will always be looser to some extent than pre-injury, unless surgically tightened/secured.

This creates ankle instability. This means the ankle joint becomes looser and more prone to "giving way," at the same time increasing the risk for high ankle re-injury or new low ankle injury

When the ankle is unstable, the body naturally tries to compensate to maintain balance and avoid further injury. This often involves altering the way you walk run, and put weight on your feet. There is increased stress on foot structures with these
compensatory movements placing undue stress on different parts of the foot, such as other ligaments, tendons, muscles, and even joints, leading to new injuries or problems.

Reports on Mixon's injuries have been all over the place..............some saying his high ankle injuries were to his left side, other saying to the right side. The latest injury has been reported as a foot injury........others reported as an ankle injury. The truth is that the original high ankle injuries have been on his right side. And his most recent NFI list injury is not a foot injury, not a low ankle injury, but a left high ankle injury.

The above should explain why I have previously posted my guarded prognosis for Mixon being able to consistently stay on the field this season.
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I'm just curious as to why the ailment(s) have him on the NFI, non-football injury/illness list.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Joe Mixon was involved in two separate plays last season where he was tackled using a hip-drop technique, resulting in injuries. One instance occurred in Week 2 against the Bears and another in week 15 against the Dolphins. While Mixon missed time due to an ankle injury in Week 2, he was able to return to the game in Week 15. Neither injury was treated surgically. With that in mind, understand that the high ankle ligaments with such injuries are stretched out and will always be looser to some extent than pre-injury, unless surgically tightened/secured.

This creates ankle instability. This means the ankle joint becomes looser and more prone to "giving way," at the same time increasing the risk for high ankle re-injury or new low ankle injury

When the ankle is unstable, the body naturally tries to compensate to maintain balance and avoid further injury. This often involves altering the way you walk run, and put weight on your feet. There is increased stress on foot structures with these
compensatory movements placing undue stress on different parts of the foot, such as other ligaments, tendons, muscles, and even joints, leading to new injuries or problems.

Reports on Mixon's injuries have been all over the place..............some saying his high ankle injuries were to his left side, other saying to the right side. The latest injury has been reported as a foot injury........others reported as an ankle injury. The truth is that all of the high ankle injuries have been on his right side. And his most recent NFI list injury is not a foot injury, not a low ankle injury, but a high ankle injury.

The above should explain why I have previously posted my guarded prognosis for Mixon being able to consistently stay on the field this season.
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So, both Mixon and Chubb are questionable ! Maybe this works out, maybe not. But it sure could create uncertainty in deciding who do you keep on the final 53. But then again, what are the chances one or both fail to make it through TC?
 
Number19 said:
So, both Mixon and Chubb are questionable ! Maybe this works out, maybe not. But it sure could create uncertainty in deciding who do you keep on the final 53. But then again, what are the chances one or both fail to make it through TC?
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There should also be concern over Pierce's quad injury. A grade I would allow return within only a couple of days to a couple of weeks. A grade II, even though the Texans have labeled as a minor strain, has significant future implications if not surgically repaired. It will take 6-8 weeks for the tear to heal. However, returning to high-level athletic activity, such as for an NFL running back, requires more than just healing. A full return to competition for this type of injury, including rehabilitation, often extends to several months.. The risk of re-injury remains high.............somewhere around 25 %.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Supposedly during individual offseason training in the spring. It's surprising (or maybe not) how many players suffer injuries while trying to train on their own.
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I do not find that surprising. If you're not pushing yourself when training, then you're not getting the most out of your workouts. It's painfully easy (see what I did there) to injure yourself even while under expert supervision. I used to train with a strength coach that worked with a lot of professional, olympic, and collegiate athletes, and that didn't stop me from tearing my rotator cuff during one of our sessions... and then re-tearing it in competition.

I later learned that my rotator cuff is actually composed of tissue paper, which is very frustrating.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not find that surprising. If you're not pushing yourself when training, then you're not getting the most out of your workouts. It's painfully easy (see what I did there) to injure yourself even while under expert supervision. I used to train with a strength coach that worked with a lot of professional, olympic, and collegiate athletes, and that didn't stop me from tearing my rotator cuff during one of our sessions... and then re-tearing it in competition.

I later learned that my rotator cuff is actually composed of tissue paper, which is very frustrating.
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Reason I stick to my regimen of 12 oz curls.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not find that surprising. If you're not pushing yourself when training, then you're not getting the most out of your workouts. It's painfully easy (see what I did there) to injure yourself even while under expert supervision. I used to train with a strength coach that worked with a lot of professional, olympic, and collegiate athletes, and that didn't stop me from tearing my rotator cuff during one of our sessions... and then re-tearing it in competition.

I later learned that my rotator cuff is actually composed of tissue paper, which is very frustrating.
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Sorry to hear about your experience.

While there is no definitive answer based on research specifically comparing injury rates in NFL players during independent versus supervised workouts, studies of the general principles of injury prevention in sports strongly suggest that unsupervised training likely increase the risk of injury due to a lack of proper technique, lack of progressive overload management, and lack of attention to individual needs.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Same news on Mixon but with a couple of notes on contract and Chubb.

www.nbcsports.com

Report: Joe Mixon is expected to miss extended time with foot injury

Mixon is on the NFI list, which means it's not a football injury.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com
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Wow, this is Astros like. He is fine until he is out 3 months. Those high ankles took a beating to hip drops last year. Gonna need some depth. Nick will likely need to turn the BBQ back on and cook as we get closer to the season. At least RB's are findable
 
TexanBorn51 said:
Interesting Mixon's same nagging injury next up would be backup Chubbs no?
www.profootballrumors.com

Texans RB Joe Mixon Expected To Miss Multiple Weeks Of Camp

Texans running back Joe Mixon is expected to miss multiple weeks of training camp as he deals with a foot/ankle injury from last year...
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For the reasons I've previously mentioned, I wouldn't put my hopes on Chubb.

Ryans' recent statement is unfortunately only fluff.:

"It's only my fourth day with Nick [Chubb], and he's done everything we've asked him to do," Ryans said on Friday. "He's a pro. I've always admired Nick from when he was back at Georgia playing; always admired him. I can see why the guy's been good in his career. He's a hard worker; he doesn't say much, but he shows you by his actions. Every single day, he shows up, he's ready to go. So, we'll see how he continues to grow and gel with our guys."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
For the reasons I've previously mentioned, I wouldn't put my hopes on Chubb.

Ryans' recent statement is unfortunately only fluff.:

"It's only my fourth day with Nick [Chubb], and he's done everything we've asked him to do," Ryans said on Friday. "He's a pro. I've always admired Nick from when he was back at Georgia playing; always admired him. I can see why the guy's been good in his career. He's a hard worker; he doesn't say much, but he shows you by his actions. Every single day, he shows up, he's ready to go. So, we'll see how he continues to grow and gel with our guys."
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Who else RBs Dare Marks Jordan Brooks no?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Dare is not a 3 down back. Marks , although he could eventually develop to a 3 down back...........he is not one for now. Jordan, because of his size, would get killed as a 3 down back.
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In other words Mixon if down then Chubbs not so good and the other ones shot in the dust. So then what? Then again a good offensive line can make any RB and QB much better. Then again the OL changes seems to be still under some scrutiny.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I just want to see him regain his best possible health before suiting up again. Get well Tank and stay laser focused on the 2026 season….it’ll be fun to see you back.
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I just want him to be able to play backyard football with his kids when he has them. I would prefer to see him move on from football. 55yo me understands that much better than the 25yo me did.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Dare is not a 3 down back. Marks , although he could eventually develop to a 3 down back...........he is not one for now. Jordan, because of his size, would get killed as a 3 down back.
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ikr but it's a starting RB Mixon it's just plain plan B. If he can not play who is next in line? RB Chubbs and down to the list RB. Hopefully Mixon comes back big time. Who knows as of yet and still have about like 4-6 weeks left. Sometimes I ponder to myself who RB scenario Mixon fir shir if physically healthy but if not Chubbs (trade Texans backup) got, had, or has, some physical issues too no?

A little over a month now Texans 2025 yea!
 
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