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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

leebigeztx said:
There is a difference between completion % and accuracy. A qb can throw a pass that should be a catch and run for 25 or 30 yds. If the qb isn't accurate and the wr has to stop his feet and its just a 12 yard completion , that's a accuracy issue which is not good. You can look at completed throws to which the qb puts the ball on the proper shoulder in a window and that's what you want. That's how guys get yac and big plays. We all remember how many big plays AJ80 could've had but had to wait on the ball. It shows up as a big completion, but could've been a td.
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Thank you for saying what I said.
 
Texansballer74 said:
When I unlike a comment, it basically means I disagree. You’re wrong because none of us know how these players will fare in the NFL. You’re wrong because you are not evaluating Stroud correctly IMO. It seems as if you have an agenda on player for whatever reason. Go look at Leebigeztx breakdown on Stroud’s game. He’s pretty spot on but since he has supposedly better weapons and the school he attends. We shouldn’t knock him for that. Or knock him because he had a few bad games. How about looking at the entire body of work.
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Go back and read BL's post that I referred to,

If Stroud's that good then systems shouldn't matter.

Stroud hasn't impressed me and I consider the Big 10 to be weak this yr. I think Stroud had a better yr last yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Go back and read BL's post that I referred to,

If Stroud's that good then systems shouldn't matter.

Stroud hasn't impressed me and I consider the Big 10 to be weak this yr. I think Stroud had a better yr last yr.
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Systems matter to every qb no matter how good or what their ceiling might be. Bill Walsh said that the offense Montana ran was different than the one for Young. Tua looks like a different qb because he's running a rpo offense and maximizing his accuracy traits. Why you think Brady struggled early in tampa when he was playing no risk it no biscuit when he 1st got there? That wasn't his style to hold on to the ball, get hit in the mouth and throw the ball down the field all the time. This is known he went to Arians and stated he need some shorter, in the middle of the field throws as much as the big deep over route plays. If they draft Caleb Williams and they try to keep him in the pocket and just make progressions, he's gonna fail. That's why teams are being smart by tailoring the offense to the talent. If you, as a organization, you're wasting a pick. The enite time Watson was here, it was square peg in a round hole. Yeah he made it work because of his talent, but it wasn't optimal trying to play like Brady when he's not Brady in terms of skill set.
 
leebigeztx said:
Systems matter to every qb no matter how good or what their ceiling might be. Bill Walsh said that the offense Montana ran was different than the one for Young. Tua looks like a different qb because he's running a rpo offense and maximizing his accuracy traits. Why you think Brady struggled early in tampa when he was playing no risk it no biscuit when he 1st got there? That wasn't his style to hold on to the ball, get hit in the mouth and throw the ball down the field all the time. This is known he went to Arians and stated he need some shorter, in the middle of the field throws as much as the big deep over route plays. If they draft Caleb Williams and they try to keep him in the pocket and just make progressions, he's gonna fail. That's why teams are being smart by tailoring the offense to the talent. If you, as a organization, you're wasting a pick. The enite time Watson was here, it was square peg in a round hole. Yeah he made it work because of his talent, but it wasn't optimal trying to play like Brady when he's not Brady in terms of skill set.
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Derrick's nothing like Brady in most ways.

From the head down.
 
steelbtexan said:
Go back and read BL's post that I referred to,

If Stroud's that good then systems shouldn't matter.

Stroud hasn't impressed me and I consider the Big 10 to be weak this yr. I think Stroud had a better yr last yr.
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Traits listed can all be found on tape. He is a game manager, very cerebral, did I forget to mention those too?
 
Texansballer74 said:
So I’ll ask again if the Texans have a similar season to this season. Are you passing on Caleb too for those same exact reasons?
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Actually, I’m pushing the decision back a season b/c I (personal opinion) like the 2024 QB Class better. There’s still 2 seasons worth of holes to address which will be done via the draft and finally through free agency as well. 2025 should be the season that the Texans take a pretty big step. If Caserio does this he would have completed a complete ground up rebuild in 5 years…..too long? Heck no if we remember what he had inherited upon arrival.
 
Texansballer74 said:
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Just massively out of left field. You just have to take a QB!! You can’t wait till 2024, even though some feel the 2024 QB Class is better. The team MUST take a QB b/c Caserio’s job depends on it….the HC’s job depends on it. What a crock of opinion with no repercussions for the ones spewing.

What happens to Caserio and Lovie if they invest in one of the QB’s with their first pick and the results are little to no different? This team is not ready to develop another RD1 QB without dumping the entire staff and starting over…..and I just don’t see that happening in 2023.

Get a veteran QB and let him compete with the current QB’s on the roster in 2023. Why? Lovie and his staff will probably still be around. Give this team and Lovie a defense in 2023 so the Texans can eliminate one more question mark before 2024.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just massively out of left field. You just have to take a QB!! You can’t wait till 2024, even though some feel the 2024 QB Class is better. The team MUST take a QB b/c Caserio’s job depends on it….the HC’s job depends on it. What a crock of opinion with no repercussions for the ones spewing.

What happens to Caserio and Lovie if they invest in one of the QB’s with their first pick and the results are little to no different? This team is not ready to develop another RD1 QB without dumping the entire staff and starting over…..and I just don’t see that happening in 2023.

Get a veteran QB and let him compete with the current QB’s on the roster in 2023. Why? Lovie and his staff will probably still be around. Give this team and Lovie a defense in 2023 so the Texans can eliminate one more question mark before 2024.
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I can say the same thing about you wanting to wait correct? That’s out of left field too. I will say this it doesn’t matter to me whatsoever, why because I’m not the GM. Armchair GM yes but the one that’s getting paid will draft the player/s he believes will be the best player for this team. And if he selects his quarterback this year in the first round, I will back that decision. Or if it’s in the 24 draft, I’m all for it.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I can say the same thing about you wanting to wait correct? That’s out of left field too. I will say this it doesn’t matter to me whatsoever, why because I’m not the GM. Armchair GM yes but the one that’s getting paid will draft the player/s he believes will be the best player for this team. And if he selects his quarterback this year in the first round, I will back that decision. Or if it’s in the 24 draft, I’m all for it.
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The reply was not aimed at you but at the video TB74. We’re good but don’t see eye to eye on when the next QB1 should be drafted.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just massively out of left field. You just have to take a QB!! You can’t wait till 2024, even though some feel the 2024 QB Class is better. The team MUST take a QB b/c Caserio’s job depends on it….the HC’s job depends on it. What a crock of opinion with no repercussions for the ones spewing.

What happens to Caserio and Lovie if they invest in one of the QB’s with their first pick and the results are little to no different? This team is not ready to develop another RD1 QB without dumping the entire staff and starting over…..and I just don’t see that happening in 2023.

Get a veteran QB and let him compete with the current QB’s on the roster in 2023. Why? Lovie and his staff will probably still be around. Give this team and Lovie a defense in 2023 so the Texans can eliminate one more question mark before 2024.
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As we've previously discussed, this is one way to go, in which case, I'd draft Anderson (edge/lb) with first pick and then Carter (DT) with the second first. And go from there. I just prefer watching an exciting offense and couldn't get excited about more of what we have now.

I am concerned about our coaching staff.
 
steelbtexan said:
Did you notice he had no pressure on those throws? He's gonna get the Mills treatment with the Texans and will probably have lesser WR's to throw too.

I will say he's an accurate thrower of the football.
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He did have to face some pressure and handled it well. My concern is that he doesn't have to throw in tight windows very often and I'm not sure about his throwing with anticipation.
 
Something to keep in mind is both Stroud and Young are juniors; why is everyone so sure they will declare for the draft? I learned something interesting yesterday... Announcers talking about Bijan Robinson said that after the season he will have a big decision to make and will talk to family and coaches and agent. With the NIL money he is making ~$2M a year, so he doesn't have the huge financial boost to entice him to declare early. If he is making that much, how much do you figure the QB's at OSU and Alabama are getting? I think the days of nearly all draft eligible players declaring is over.
 
steelbtexan said:
What special trait does he have? Does he have more than an avg arm, below avg feet. His accuracy is great sometimes and not so good others. It's hard to tell about his processing skills due to the offense and talent around him, but I wouldn't say he's outstanding in this area. Compare these skills to even Bryce Young's skills in these areas and tell me you cant see the difference? What do you see from Stroud that I dont see?
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I’m not impressed with either guy. I’d wait until 2023-2024 to draft the best possible QB, as the front seven and offensive line should be rebuilt by then.
 
JB said:
Something to keep in mind is both Stroud and Young are juniors; why is everyone so sure they will declare for the draft? I learned something interesting yesterday... Announcers talking about Bijan Robinson said that after the season he will have a big decision to make and will talk to family and coaches and agent. With the NIL money he is making ~$2M a year, so he doesn't have the huge financial boost to entice him to declare early. If he is making that much, how much do you figure the QB's at OSU and Alabama are getting? I think the days of nearly all draft eligible players declaring is over.
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I think they declare for the draft but Mulugheta says Stroud won’t play for the Texans.

Manning’s family did it with San Diego.

Which could help the Texans not draft a QB and at the same time hurt their possibilities of getting a nice return for a draft trade.
 
JB said:
Something to keep in mind is both Stroud and Young are juniors; why is everyone so sure they will declare for the draft? I learned something interesting yesterday... Announcers talking about Bijan Robinson said that after the season he will have a big decision to make and will talk to family and coaches and agent. With the NIL money he is making ~$2M a year, so he doesn't have the huge financial boost to entice him to declare early. If he is making that much, how much do you figure the QB's at OSU and Alabama are getting? I think the days of nearly all draft eligible players declaring is over.
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Usually when the Texans have the first pick the good QBs decide to stay in school.

So if we have the first pick and Stroud/Young declare for the NFL draft, you know they won’t be any good
 
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TexansBull said:
I think they declare for the draft but Mulugheta says Stroud won’t play for the Texans.

Manning’s family did it with San Diego.

Which could help the Texans not draft a QB and at the same time hurt their possibilities of getting a nice return for a draft trade.
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This is great news,

I don't see how this could hurt the value of the pick as long as there are 2 teams that want a QB and I'm sure that will happen.

That's if they don't take Young #1.
 
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Let me know when Stroud starts playing better. I’ll tune back in. Right now, I’d rather catch up on the 48 hour Andy Griffith marathon
 
Watching Stroud climb the pocket and deliver dimes is a thing of beauty (although Harrison just dropped a laser)
 
I get that a lot of people on the forum like to argue with anything SteelB says (and not without justification at times) but he's consistently said Stroud would/could be a top 15 QB in the NFL - that's quite a ways from saying he is a crappy QB. Top 15 NFL QB's are pretty good I would think?

In this case the argument is do you think Stroud would ever be a top 5 QB in the NFL? If not do you draft a top 15 guy at 1:1?

I'm hemming and hawing if I'm being honest - I think you can win a SB with a top 15 QB, with a solid run game and a top 10 defense you are at least making the playoffs then hoping your top 15'ish guy has a run (calling Mr. Flaco, your table is ready, ahh I see you brought a guest, hello Mr. Manning).

Waiting for the stars to align and hoping there is a 'generational' sure fire top 5 future hall of fame QB at 1:1 on the year you have the pick is a fools game IMO because it most llikely isn't going to happen.

So I'm getting on board with taking Stroud (I would prefer Young, but not if he is 5'10' 185 pounds) and at least getting back to being a decent football team.
 
thunderkyss said:
Let me know when Stroud starts playing better. I’ll tune back in. Right now, I’d rather catch up on the 48 hour Andy Griffith marathon
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Are we watching the same game? He's been super accurate all game, a few dropped passes.

Another dime to the sideline.
 
Matt Leinart, “When he (Stroud) has clean pocket, he’s best QB in the nation”.

Remember Matt quick stop here for Texans, lol

Anyway, that’s statement could mean several different things; which were on my list but not his mobility either to extend plays (under pressure). Takes sacks if not protected (SteelbTexan) so far 0 in game but attributes that to his OL.

Or maybe it’s his leadership? That inspires teammates both linemen, and offensive weapons (WR’s/RB’s/TE’s). Just awoke from dead (graveyard) so will see what happens 2nd half with adjustments.
 
amazing80 said:
LOL anything to dismiss the idea he is a good QB because you don't like Ohio State, good to know.
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I just don't think he's a QB that's worth 1-1, or worth the trouble of having to deal with his agent.

You do, agree to disagree and time will tell who's correct. I think he will become a top 15 QB, maybe top 10 at best.
 
steelbtexan said:
I just don't think he's a QB that's worth 1-1, or worth the trouble of having to deal with his agent.

You do, agree to disagree and time will tell who's correct. I think he will become a top 15 QB, maybe top 10 at best.
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You think he might be a top-10 QB but not worthy of the first overall pick?
 
beerlover said:
Matt Leinart, “When he (Stroud) has clean pocket, he’s best QB in the nation”.

Remember Matt quick stop here for Texans, lol

Anyway, that’s statement could mean several different things; which were on my list but not his mobility either to extend plays (under pressure). Takes sacks if not protected (SteelbTexan) so far 0 in game but attributes that to his OL.

Or maybe it’s his leadership? That inspires teammates both linemen, and offensive weapons (WR’s/RB’s/TE’s). Just awoke from dead (graveyard) so will see what happens 2nd half with adjustments.
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I don't think he plays like Watson or Murray, but he has athleticism. He climbs the pocket well and keeps his eyes downfield. That will be worth more in the NFL.

He's played great so far. Few dropped passes and a couple bad throws, but he's been money most of the day. Let's see how he is in clutch time.
 
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