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Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud
- Thread starter beerlover
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But many are acting as if this team will be contenders if only the draft a QB with first pick
Texansballer74
The Marine
Be more specific, why
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because he has no special traits. I'm not saying he will be Haskins bad but probably only Cousins at best.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Clearly you’re not watching any of his games.
What special traits have you seen beyond remarkable receivers?
What special trait does he have? Does he have more than an avg arm, below avg feet. His accuracy is great sometimes and not so good others. It's hard to tell about his processing skills due to the offense and talent around him, but I wouldn't say he's outstanding in this area. Compare these skills to even Bryce Young's skills in these areas and tell me you cant see the difference? What do you see from Stroud that I dont see?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I’ll take this.
*leadership
*ascending talent
*extends plays using plus mobility
*ability to read defenses
*makes NFL progressions
*accurate arm
*quick release
*good decision maker
*can pose threat as runner
not sure why, two heavyweight posters, JB & SteelbTexan, are beating this young man like a dead horse
what has Stroud done to you? Is it just based on his agent selection or can you dispute above pluses?
I would prefer a change @ HC with offensive minded approach that’s system fit Strouds strengths but isn’t that on the GM? Clearly he must have a plan to address this teams biggest need sooner than later so learning process can begin.
I’ll take this.
*leadership
*ascending talent
*extends plays using plus mobility
*ability to read defenses
*makes NFL progressions
*accurate arm
*quick release
*good decision maker
*can pose threat as runner
not sure why, two heavyweight posters, JB & SteelbTexan, are beating this young man like a dead horse
what has Stroud done to you? Is it just based on his agent selection or can you dispute above pluses?
I would prefer a change @ HC with offensive minded approach that’s system fit Strouds strengths but isn’t that on the GM? Clearly he must have a plan to address this teams biggest need sooner than later so learning process can begin.
Tell me he had those qualities in the games I listed. From what you listed Stroud has the qualities to succeed with any HC since he's got no weaknesses. I dont see 1/2 of the stuff you listed.
I can't speak for Steelb, but I have watched a few games and haven't seen anything special that I don't see from other QB's at times. I see Harrison Jr. and others making some terrific catches to make Stroud's numbers look better. Most teams don't have the overall talent to be on the field with OSU and that also helps him greatly. I think he will be a good QB but not 1.1 worthy. I will see if he changes my mind before draft but as of now I'd rather gamble on someone else.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My two cents…..the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while hoping for different results.
The Texans have never successfully developed a drafted QB since inception. That’s one hell of a track record for ineptitude. The Texans, like they have in every draft……find themselves as one of the worst teams in the NFL with dang near 10+ holes in their starting personnel and a horrible lack of decent to quality depth.
I hope Caserio breaks this trend of insanity or rut before they destroy another young QB. So far, Caserio gives me hope based on the fact that they can identify talent and should be able to follow up his 2022 draft with another talented group. This draft is rich with trench players on both sides of the ball…..something the Texans need far more than a QB at the moment.
A move that would be far more encouraging….getting a solid veteran QB to compete in 2023 for the starting job with the incumbents already on the roster. The current group of incumbents deserve a chance to perform with an upgraded overall unit. Should they fail to impress, then the veteran should be able to enjoy a bit more success with a young but talented group. This group would be nothing more than a bridge for the QB selected in the 2024 NFL Draft.
This organization has to do something different than the same ol’ shite.
The Texans have never successfully developed a drafted QB since inception. That’s one hell of a track record for ineptitude. The Texans, like they have in every draft……find themselves as one of the worst teams in the NFL with dang near 10+ holes in their starting personnel and a horrible lack of decent to quality depth.
I hope Caserio breaks this trend of insanity or rut before they destroy another young QB. So far, Caserio gives me hope based on the fact that they can identify talent and should be able to follow up his 2022 draft with another talented group. This draft is rich with trench players on both sides of the ball…..something the Texans need far more than a QB at the moment.
A move that would be far more encouraging….getting a solid veteran QB to compete in 2023 for the starting job with the incumbents already on the roster. The current group of incumbents deserve a chance to perform with an upgraded overall unit. Should they fail to impress, then the veteran should be able to enjoy a bit more success with a young but talented group. This group would be nothing more than a bridge for the QB selected in the 2024 NFL Draft.
This organization has to do something different than the same ol’ shite.
Cal will cave to the media/fan pressure to pick a QB.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I didn’t want to like this b/c I’m holding out hope that this is the season that Caserio puts Cal in the corner and states, it’s time to let me do this my way.
Maybe Nick’s way is a QB as well….just don’t hope so.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dude every freaking game won’t be perfect. Even the great Peyton Manning would tell you that. Like I said I won’t ever understand why some people just have to crap on good players all because they had a few tough games. Was you acting like this with Peyton Manning?
Texansballer74
The Marine
So I’ll ask again if the Texans have a similar season to this season. Are you passing on Caleb too for those same exact reasons?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
And a quick release
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Stroud looks close enough to the total package someone will want him despite the naysayers. Some have forgotten the Texans (Rick Smith/McNair) drafted DeShaun Watson (denial)? Similar, both tend to hang onto the ball longer than you may like, always looking for big play, but guess all credit goes to the WR’s. Watched the Notre Dame game and thought CJ was phenomenal. Haven’t had time to watch enough tape of Bryce, but would like to hear your thoughts?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I only care if you cave in
Hey, TB instead of unliking a post show me where I'm wrong.
He listed a bunch of traits he thinks Stroud has (I disagreed and told him to go back and look at particular games.) He also said he hopes he gets with the right HC/OC. If Stroud has all of the traits he listed then he should be a top 5 QB in any system, correct? Go back and look at the traits he listed. There's nothing to unlike in my post because if his post is factually correct, then so is mine.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
See tomorrow against #3
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I only care if you cave in
LOL
I'm not going to have to cave. No way Cal deals with DM if he doesn't have too and Stroud isn't the guy where he has to deal with DM again. It's not gonna happen, same reason Demeco will never be the HC of the Texans. The McNair's aren't going to hire a guy that sued them. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. That's just not reality. Billionaires tend to avoid people who cause them issues. Why? Because they can.
I expext Stroud to do very well against Michigan. He usually does, kinda like Haskins. Michigan is very overrated. IMHO
badboy
Hall of Fame
If the Texans do draft a quarterback is that Caserio or Cal McNair?
badboy
Hall of Fame
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
When I unlike a comment, it basically means I disagree. You’re wrong because none of us know how these players will fare in the NFL. You’re wrong because you are not evaluating Stroud correctly IMO. It seems as if you have an agenda on player for whatever reason. Go look at Leebigeztx breakdown on Stroud’s game. He’s pretty spot on but since he has supposedly better weapons and the school he attends. We shouldn’t knock him for that. Or knock him because he had a few bad games. How about looking at the entire body of work.
Number19
Hall of Fame
It'll be Caserio. This is his team and he'll have some serious evaluations and decisions as to how he wants the rebuild to proceed. McNair will be in the loop as will the coaches. The organization will spin it as a team effort, but ultimately it will be Caserio's head on the block.
The pressure should be not having an NFL starting level QB. The only decision is whether or not there is QB good enough at 1
Well, there was that one guy that didn't want to play for them.
If you'd watched his games, he's not nearly as accurate as the numbers imply
Texansballer74
The Marine
I think that will show a lot, as will the playoffs assuming they make it
Stop what? Stating my opinion? Do you not think that Harrison Jr. and Egbuka and Smith-Njigba and to some extent Fleming and Stover remarkable receivers? I've seen Harrison Jr. make 2-3 catches or more every week that only a special player can make.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That wasn’t an opinion. You said that like it was a fact. And like I said above, all because a player has weapons shouldn’t take away from what they do. Mahomas have a plethora of legit weapons who makes a lot of spectacular plays too. So does that diminishes his product on the field too?
okay. I just don't know how to say it to make it appear as my opinion, or do I need to put an 'imo' with every post? If you have such a problem with all my posts, perhaps you'd be happier putting me on ignore. I hear some people like that.
That's not how Cal's daddy did things.
Cal will probably follow in his daddy's footsteps.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't we have to look at the numbers to see how accurate a quarterback is? Of course the type of throws have to be figured in for significance as well as circumstances such as pressure on the quarterback, Target's catch etc. That's why it helps to have eyeballs on a play rather than just reading or listening to someone else. Even then we constantly have disagreement. Without that it would not be much of a message board.
The rest of your post tells the story of why the numbers don't tell the whole story
Number19
Hall of Fame
Caserio became GM last year, too soon to really get a feel how the team will be run. You're guessing Cal will be in charge. Do you really think Caserio would have taken the job under that condition? Anyone worth their salt would not. I certainly hope you are wrong.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
There is a difference between completion % and accuracy. A qb can throw a pass that should be a catch and run for 25 or 30 yds. If the qb isn't accurate and the wr has to stop his feet and its just a 12 yard completion , that's a accuracy issue which is not good. You can look at completed throws to which the qb puts the ball on the proper shoulder in a window and that's what you want. That's how guys get yac and big plays. We all remember how many big plays AJ80 could've had but had to wait on the ball. It shows up as a big completion, but could've been a td.
You could've asked the same question about Casserly (Carr) or RS (Clowney).
I hope I'm wrong too.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Every qb needs a system tailored around what they do best. Andy Reid isn't running the same offense he did with Favre,Vick or McNabb. Mahomes would not be Mahomes playing in the Patriots offense. You're old enough to remember Aikman at OU, it wasn't a fit and Switzer helped him get to UCLA who ran a pro style offense vs the triple option at OU. No qb is scheme proof, not even the older,experienced guys.
Agreed, but if Stroud was everything BL listed he would be able to run any scheme effectively. Fact is he needs to be drafted by a team that can fit his skills to there scheme. If that happens he probably will be a top 10-12 type QB.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Or was Caserio so eager to become a general manager that he agreed similar to David Culley to come in a head coach?