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NFL insider notes: Deshaun Watson's game-changing deal and its ramifications hottest topic at owners meetings
Most of the NFL isn't happy about the Browns' QB contract; here's what else has the owner's meetings buzzing
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/jason-la-canfora/
By Jason La Canfora 1 hr ago8 min read

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The Deshaun Watson trade and subsequent contract extension continue to send shockwaves around the league, and it will, unquestionably, be the primary topic of all informal discussion at the NFL's owners meetings this week here in West Palm Beach.
There won't be anything on the formal agenda about it, but, trust me, the entire league (team presidents, owners, general managers) is still buzzing about the unprecedented contract, and all of the angst, turmoil and tumult it will cause for other organizations moving forward. Dee and Jimmy Haslem, with one negotiation, created a bold new horizon in terms of player compensation that may transform the way NFL players are paid to an extent that nothing previously has.

It is a complete and utter game-changer. And the rest of the league, by and large, is not happy about it.

For a player in this much peril, facing suspension for allegations of sexual assault and sexual misconduct – with 22 civil cases still pending – to receive an $11 million a year raise, landing a fully guaranteed $230M contract without ever signing an autograph or doing a public appearance for the Browns, let alone playing a down, is staggering. The reality moving on is that, immediately, every quarterback of any distinction will be seeking no-trade language and fully guaranteed contracts, whether they be three years in length or seven. It is now the new norm that all agents will seek.


Make no mistake, the business of football – for now, at the highest price-points for QBs; eventually for other positions as well – has changed forever. There is no going back now ... not for Haslam, not for any owner. I was chatting about this with longtime NFL team president Joe Banner over the weekend, and on top of all of the already-noted consequences of this contract, he pointed out another I hadn't been focused on: the NFL's regulations for funding fully guaranteed contracts.

Per current league rules, all future fully guaranteed money due in a player contract must be placed in escrow at the time the deal is consummated. It's antiquated and has long been a bone of contention for the NFLPA. It was implemented long before the NFL became the 365-days-a-year revenue and content monster it is now, and it was put in place on the surface to prevent a team from defaulting on a contract to a player. Yeah, quaint, ain't it? Those days are long gone, but for decades many owners have hidden behind it as an excuse as to why they wouldn't guarantee more than a year or two. I can't go around putting $50M, $60M, $100M, in escrow every time someone wants a fully guaranteed deal. Only, well, Haslam just put about $185M in escrow to make good on what he still owes Watson beyond 2022 (and he did so by also only putting $1M in the QB's base salary to limit any financial damage to him by an upcoming suspension).

So, yeah, that's over.

Either other owners are going to step up like he did, or suddenly these billionaires are going to decide that the union was right all along, and these escrow accounts are a silly idea from a bygone time and let's do away with that! Because the cost of doing business for top starting quarterbacks is now $45M-$50M a year, fully guaranteed, and Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson will be the next three to benefit from this paradigm shift. The first two will either get similar structure and language in extensions with their current teams or will end up dealt to an owner who will provide it; the Broncos are locked into doing as much with Wilson after just trading a haul of picks and players to land him with just two years left on his outdated contract.



This Watson deal may have just drawn another delineation between the wealthy and the uber-wealthy within the ownership group. Or those willing to spend like the Haslams, and those who will not embrace the reality of five-year, $250M fully guaranteed deals. Like it or not, this Watson deal has ushered the NFL into the kind of financial outlays that have long been the norm in the NBA and MLB. If Watson got this, under these dire personal circumstances, how long until the NFL gets its first $300M (fully guaranteed) man? It's suddenly much closer than anyone would have dreamt 10 days ago. What does this mean for guys like Bengals owner Mike Brown and Chargers owner Dean Spanos, who haven't been known as notoriously heavy spenders but have extension talks with Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert looming in less than a year?

"In this case, next March 1, the Browns are going to have to deposit I believe the number is close to $180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future," Banner told me during a discussion on Inside Access on 1057 The Fan in Baltimore. "... Not when you think about a quarterback like Lamar Jackson in a market like Baltimore, or a (Joe) Burrow in Cincinnati or (Justin Herbert) in L.A., but what really in terms of economics is the San Diego team, I don't know if those owners are going to be in a position to put $140M, $150M, $180M into an escrow account nine months from now. I'm not sure that's something all teams can do."

In the interim, if Steve Bisciotti (Ravens) or Michael Bidwell (Cardinals) don't think operating like this is good business, then it only takes one other owner who isn't fearing this sudden sticker shock to find a suitor. Find two, and you have a robust trade market. Panthers owner David Tepper's desperate pursuit of QB help is well documented, Arthur Blank was willing to pay top QB compensation to Matt Ryan for the duration of his time in Atlanta, and Seattle has never feared a big payroll and suddenly has a need at QB, too.


"This is actually a huge advantage to high revenue, high profit teams, and a huge disadvantage to the smaller-market teams," Banner said. "And I suspect the league will do something about this. Maybe not affecting Deshaun but going forward, because I know they get accused of greed when it comes to this and I'm not going to fight them on it, but this rule comes down to competitive balance, which they really, really do care about.

"They think it's what has made the league successful and profitable, so they won't want to leave it in a situation where the Cincinnatis and Baltimores of the world may be at a competitive disadvantage because of the structure of this deal. So I'm looking forward to seeing how they address that, because I don't think there is any chance they don't address it in some way. And in the meantime, the Baltimores of the world are in a much more difficult situation than they were previously in terms of trying to re-sign these guys. The number goes higher. The guarantee goes higher, but so do some of these behind-the-scenes kind of nuanced issues that the public may not see that often. They're going to have a huge impact on places like Baltimore."

This will be the discussions going on as owners eat lunch and dine together. It will be what's whispered in hallways. It very well could lead to meaningful trade talks in real time, given the sweeping blockbusters that have already taken the league by storm so early in this offseason. The stakes have been raised, exponentially, and the ramifications have only just begun.

All eyes on sale of Broncos

One of the items other owners are most interested to glean from these meetings are updates on the sale of the Broncos. It's been clear for years that in 2022 this team was going to go to market, and there has been plenty of vetting already done behind the scenes. This was no surprise.

The closer this price goes to $4 billion, the happier these billionaires will be. For a multitude of reasons. If it approaches that number, many in league circles believe it will prompt other owners who have been sitting on the sidelines to begin to elicit purchase invites for their franchise. Post-pandemic (for now at least), with the business of football booming and with more sponsorship and broadcast deals (Sunday Ticket) and gambling revenue still to come, and the game growing internationally now beyond just the United Kingdom, there are dollar signs in the eyes of many owners.

The Seahawks will only stay in the Allen family for so long. Saints owner Gayle Benson has already announced she will sell that team at some point. There are plenty of rumblings about other owners not being as enthralled with ownership as they once were, and eyeing 2022/2023 as the opportunity time to cash out. For now, all eyes remain on Denver, and a transaction that several league sources believe will be complete by October. Perhaps even sooner.
 
Why are we talking about other posters?

First rule - Attack the post, Not the poster.

@Double Barrel


I suppose that maybe if the mod agrees with the offending poster his trigger finger isn't as quick as it should be?

It seems that some posters may have a built in immunity.

Doc is a great resource and has my utmost admiration. Attacking him is a fools errand.

:coffee:
 
Reading this thread and others. Isn't odd that the folks who wanted Watson off the roster and some of his more vocal critics are now spending the majority of their time posting about Watson?

What is odd about talking about a current news story? :confused:

Dude just spent five years on the Texans roster, was supposed to be our superstar QB for most of those years, and then ends in a 14 month long cloud of drama.

Posting about a relevant news story as it is unfolding. . .seems like fairly NORMAL behavior on a forum. I'm still confused what is "odd" about it.

If this thread is alive two years from now after the dust has settled, you might have a point. But posting this literally moments and hours after news updates just seems pointless.

There is always the option of, y'know, just avoid this thread and never see any of it. :thinking:

Why are we talking about other posters?

First rule - Attack the post, Not the poster.

@Double Barrel

Yep. I second this basic forum rule. Keep your takes about the post, not the one writing the post.
 
Screw the owners. They will inevitably allow their ego’s to make them ignorant. No one put a gun to their head when negotiating a deal. They want what they can’t have and decide the only way to obtain what they can’t have is to throw money at it. Remember, everyone has their price and NFL owners know this…..even to their own detriment.
 
What is odd about talking about a current news story? :confused:

Dude just spent five years on the Texans roster, was supposed to be our superstar QB for most of those years, and then ends in a 14 month long cloud of drama.

Posting about a relevant news story as it is unfolding. . .seems like fairly NORMAL behavior on a forum. I'm still confused what is "odd" about it.

If this thread is alive two years from now after the dust has settled, you might have a point. But posting this literally moments and hours after news updates just seems pointless.

There is always the option of, y'know, just avoid this thread and never see any of it. :thinking:



Yep. I second this basic forum rule. Keep your takes about the post, not the one writing the post.
That wasn't the point, but carry on.
 
From Peter King Monday Morningl Quarterback


Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Not the most popular people at the league meetings on Sunday. I heard lots of grumbling from those who think a) trading six picks for a player who may be found guilty of heinous offenses or b) signing Watson to the richest guaranteed contract in league history and giving him an $80-million raise “stinks to high heaven,” as one team exec said. The Haslams had to know it was coming, and now that they’ve traded for and signed Watson, it’s not going away.
First, what does it matter if it were 6 picks or one 7th rounder in 2112? If it wasn't the package the Texans received, everything with be hunky dory? Please. 2nd, these owners would be pissed about this contract if it were given to the love child of Roger Staubach and Mother Teresa. It's not that Watson got a new contract. It's the fully guaranteed $230 million. And the fact that some owners can pay it, and some owners can't or don't want to.

The grumbling from the owners isn't about anything Watson may have done. They've let players back for doing worse. It's the money. And who's taking morality lessons from NFL owners, anyway?
 
NFL insider notes: Deshaun Watson's game-changing deal and its ramifications hottest topic at owners meetings
Most of the NFL isn't happy about the Browns' QB contract; here's what else has the owner's meetings buzzing
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/jason-la-canfora/
By Jason La Canfora 1 hr ago8 min read

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The Deshaun Watson trade and subsequent contract extension continue to send shockwaves around the league, and it will, unquestionably, be the primary topic of all informal discussion at the NFL's owners meetings this week here in West Palm Beach.
There won't be anything on the formal agenda about it, but, trust me, the entire league (team presidents, owners, general managers) is still buzzing about the unprecedented contract, and all of the angst, turmoil and tumult it will cause for other organizations moving forward. Dee and Jimmy Haslem, with one negotiation, created a bold new horizon in terms of player compensation that may transform the way NFL players are paid to an extent that nothing previously has.

It is a complete and utter game-changer. And the rest of the league, by and large, is not happy about it.

For a player in this much peril, facing suspension for allegations of sexual assault and sexual misconduct – with 22 civil cases still pending – to receive an $11 million a year raise, landing a fully guaranteed $230M contract without ever signing an autograph or doing a public appearance for the Browns, let alone playing a down, is staggering. The reality moving on is that, immediately, every quarterback of any distinction will be seeking no-trade language and fully guaranteed contracts, whether they be three years in length or seven. It is now the new norm that all agents will seek.


Make no mistake, the business of football – for now, at the highest price-points for QBs; eventually for other positions as well – has changed forever. There is no going back now ... not for Haslam, not for any owner. I was chatting about this with longtime NFL team president Joe Banner over the weekend, and on top of all of the already-noted consequences of this contract, he pointed out another I hadn't been focused on: the NFL's regulations for funding fully guaranteed contracts.

Per current league rules, all future fully guaranteed money due in a player contract must be placed in escrow at the time the deal is consummated. It's antiquated and has long been a bone of contention for the NFLPA. It was implemented long before the NFL became the 365-days-a-year revenue and content monster it is now, and it was put in place on the surface to prevent a team from defaulting on a contract to a player. Yeah, quaint, ain't it? Those days are long gone, but for decades many owners have hidden behind it as an excuse as to why they wouldn't guarantee more than a year or two. I can't go around putting $50M, $60M, $100M, in escrow every time someone wants a fully guaranteed deal. Only, well, Haslam just put about $185M in escrow to make good on what he still owes Watson beyond 2022 (and he did so by also only putting $1M in the QB's base salary to limit any financial damage to him by an upcoming suspension).

So, yeah, that's over.

Either other owners are going to step up like he did, or suddenly these billionaires are going to decide that the union was right all along, and these escrow accounts are a silly idea from a bygone time and let's do away with that! Because the cost of doing business for top starting quarterbacks is now $45M-$50M a year, fully guaranteed, and Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson will be the next three to benefit from this paradigm shift. The first two will either get similar structure and language in extensions with their current teams or will end up dealt to an owner who will provide it; the Broncos are locked into doing as much with Wilson after just trading a haul of picks and players to land him with just two years left on his outdated contract.



This Watson deal may have just drawn another delineation between the wealthy and the uber-wealthy within the ownership group. Or those willing to spend like the Haslams, and those who will not embrace the reality of five-year, $250M fully guaranteed deals. Like it or not, this Watson deal has ushered the NFL into the kind of financial outlays that have long been the norm in the NBA and MLB. If Watson got this, under these dire personal circumstances, how long until the NFL gets its first $300M (fully guaranteed) man? It's suddenly much closer than anyone would have dreamt 10 days ago. What does this mean for guys like Bengals owner Mike Brown and Chargers owner Dean Spanos, who haven't been known as notoriously heavy spenders but have extension talks with Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert looming in less than a year?

"In this case, next March 1, the Browns are going to have to deposit I believe the number is close to $180M in what amounts to an escrow account, where the guaranteed money gets held that is owed to the player in the future," Banner told me during a discussion on Inside Access on 1057 The Fan in Baltimore. "... Not when you think about a quarterback like Lamar Jackson in a market like Baltimore, or a (Joe) Burrow in Cincinnati or (Justin Herbert) in L.A., but what really in terms of economics is the San Diego team, I don't know if those owners are going to be in a position to put $140M, $150M, $180M into an escrow account nine months from now. I'm not sure that's something all teams can do."

In the interim, if Steve Bisciotti (Ravens) or Michael Bidwell (Cardinals) don't think operating like this is good business, then it only takes one other owner who isn't fearing this sudden sticker shock to find a suitor. Find two, and you have a robust trade market. Panthers owner David Tepper's desperate pursuit of QB help is well documented, Arthur Blank was willing to pay top QB compensation to Matt Ryan for the duration of his time in Atlanta, and Seattle has never feared a big payroll and suddenly has a need at QB, too.


"This is actually a huge advantage to high revenue, high profit teams, and a huge disadvantage to the smaller-market teams," Banner said. "And I suspect the league will do something about this. Maybe not affecting Deshaun but going forward, because I know they get accused of greed when it comes to this and I'm not going to fight them on it, but this rule comes down to competitive balance, which they really, really do care about.

"They think it's what has made the league successful and profitable, so they won't want to leave it in a situation where the Cincinnatis and Baltimores of the world may be at a competitive disadvantage because of the structure of this deal. So I'm looking forward to seeing how they address that, because I don't think there is any chance they don't address it in some way. And in the meantime, the Baltimores of the world are in a much more difficult situation than they were previously in terms of trying to re-sign these guys. The number goes higher. The guarantee goes higher, but so do some of these behind-the-scenes kind of nuanced issues that the public may not see that often. They're going to have a huge impact on places like Baltimore."

This will be the discussions going on as owners eat lunch and dine together. It will be what's whispered in hallways. It very well could lead to meaningful trade talks in real time, given the sweeping blockbusters that have already taken the league by storm so early in this offseason. The stakes have been raised, exponentially, and the ramifications have only just begun.

All eyes on sale of Broncos

One of the items other owners are most interested to glean from these meetings are updates on the sale of the Broncos. It's been clear for years that in 2022 this team was going to go to market, and there has been plenty of vetting already done behind the scenes. This was no surprise.

The closer this price goes to $4 billion, the happier these billionaires will be. For a multitude of reasons. If it approaches that number, many in league circles believe it will prompt other owners who have been sitting on the sidelines to begin to elicit purchase invites for their franchise. Post-pandemic (for now at least), with the business of football booming and with more sponsorship and broadcast deals (Sunday Ticket) and gambling revenue still to come, and the game growing internationally now beyond just the United Kingdom, there are dollar signs in the eyes of many owners.

The Seahawks will only stay in the Allen family for so long. Saints owner Gayle Benson has already announced she will sell that team at some point. There are plenty of rumblings about other owners not being as enthralled with ownership as they once were, and eyeing 2022/2023 as the opportunity time to cash out. For now, all eyes remain on Denver, and a transaction that several league sources believe will be complete by October. Perhaps even sooner.
good read. Tepper is one of the richest owners in the nfl. I think Khan,Allens, Kronkie are the only ones with more loot. These owners have been keep money,which is their right,and hiding about non g-money. Well now, you gotta to pay to play.
 
All it will lead to in my opinion is a cap on qb salaries…probably on other key high dollar positions too similar to what the NBA has with max contracts and mac contract extensions.
I don't know why the owners would be too worried about this.

If it fits under the cap, it fits under the cap. NFLPA can talk to its members about living in a new world.
 
I don't know why the owners would be too worried about this.

If it fits under the cap, it fits under the cap. NFLPA can talk to its members about living in a new world.

its the holding money in an escrow account thing according to the article CND posted. Apparently all NFL owners arent richly equal.

but wb salaries are the main thing driving salaries higher. They need to be capped imo. What that will do is enable GM’s to better forecast for team building purposes and it leaves money on the table to pay other less heralded position players.

thats why ive never understood why media members always wanna talk to Qb’s when collective bargaining talks are happening. These guys would be the least effected if a work stoppage/lockout took place.
 
All it will lead to in my opinion is a cap on qb salaries…probably on other key high dollar positions too similar to what the NBA has with max contracts and mac contract extensions.
You remember the qb club in the 80s? These select qbs had their own thing before the nfl unionized. They kinda acted like a seperate entity of sorts. Maybe something like that will spin off again. The franchise player exemption was an attempt to allow teams to keep their most important player, notably, the qb, but of course the owners weaponized it.
 
You remember the qb club in the 80s? These select qbs had their own thing before the nfl unionized. They kinda acted like a seperate entity of sorts. Maybe something like that will spin off again. The franchise player exemption was an attempt to allow teams to keep their most important player, notably, the qb, but of course the owners weaponized it.

If it does, i don’t understand why the other players dont organize against them.
 
its the holding money in an escrow account thing according to the article CND posted. Apparently all NFL owners arent richly equal.

but wb salaries are the main thing driving salaries higher. They need to be capped imo. What that will do is enable GM’s to better forecast for team building purposes and it leaves money on the table to pay other less heralded position players.

thats why ive never understood why media members always wanna talk to Qb’s when collective bargaining talks are happening. These guys would be the least effected if a work stoppage/lockout took place.
Let it play out.

When these mega million dollar QBs can't get to Super Bowl, it will work itself out.

Just don't pay Brad Johnsons & Trent Dilfers like Aaron Rodgers & you'll be ok.
 
Again….this is all fodder once Watson and the Browns hit the field and start winning. If Watson puts up a best in the NFL QB ranking in 2022 while the Browns are winning…..do you think First Energy Stadium is going to be empty over the Watson signing?

If Watson and the Browns are winning, the stadium will fill up, that's a given. Expect lots of people carrying signs to the game though. It'll be controversial for a while no matter what happens.
 
Again….this is all fodder once Watson and the Browns hit the field and start winning. If Watson puts up a best in the NFL QB ranking in 2022 while the Browns are winning…..do you think First Energy Stadium is going to be empty over the Watson signing?
It’s not fodder because liars tend to not lead...also he will be heckled by his own fans
 
It’s not fodder because liars tend to not lead...also he will be heckled by his own fans

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I saw something on Twitter earlier.
Said something like Watson travelled out of state to a massage therapist with his own towel, etc.
I didn’t read the article just the headline. Wonder if it was real or a click bait headline. Anyone see it or hear anything about this?
 
I saw something on Twitter earlier.
Said something like Watson travelled out of state to a massage therapist with his own towel, etc.
I didn’t read the article just the headline. Wonder if it was real or a click bait headline. Anyone see it or hear anything about this?
He traveled 30 minutes out of Houston and yes he brought his towel with him to one masseuses’ mother’s house.
 
Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti on Deshaun Watson's $230 million guaranteed contract: "I don't know that he should've been the first guy to get a fully guaranteed contract.
Steve, you could have made your guy the the first to get a fully guaranteed contract.

Biscotti paid $600 million for a franchise now worth $3.4 billion. I'm sick to my stomach of these billionaires whining about how much they play the players while clearing $150 million a year.
 
Steve, you could have made your guy the the first to get a fully guaranteed contract.

Biscotti paid $600 million for a franchise now worth $3.4 billion. I'm sick to my stomach of these billionaires whining about how much they play the players while clearing $150 million a year.

Millionaire players arguing with billionaire owners. Like I give a crap about their monetary concerns. Collectively as a group they got themselves into this mess.
 
Steve, you could have made your guy the the first to get a fully guaranteed contract.

Biscotti paid $600 million for a franchise now worth $3.4 billion. I'm sick to my stomach of these billionaires whining about how much they play the players while clearing $150 million a year.

Poor little billionaires can't afford to build their own stadiums, either. lol Give me a break. These guys are professional grifters.
 
Interesting read about how the new CBA plays into this.


With it being a woman judge I wonder if that will help, hurt or have no effect on her decision? As a US court judge she has certainly seen her share of guilty and innocent people. I'm actually happy its not in Goodells hands because with it being a neutral party that was agreed upon by both union and league if he is suspended the chances of its getting lower or overturned drastically decrease.
 
Interesting read about how the new CBA plays into this.


With it being a woman judge I wonder if that will help, hurt or have no effect on her decision? As a US court judge she has certainly seen her share of guilty and innocent people. I'm actually happy its not in Goodells hands because with it being a neutral party that was agreed upon by both union and league if he is suspended the chances of its getting lower or overturned drastically decrease.
This is the 1st time since the new cba, so I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
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