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I agree, that interview was cringeworthy. Good on the Cleveland media to ask pointed questions though.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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From Watching the press conference, it just seemed like something is not right with Watson mentally, from his answers. Like there’s no comprehension of what he has done. Nobody answers in the way he did today to questions like those. That’s NO excuse, an observation. Sociopath. Showing no remorse at all was very troubling and frightening.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because he has most of us blocked on twitter
Mr teX
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no YOU keep leaving them out…but “ashamed” isnt a reason to not report something anyway. Aa far as “fear of retaliation” …only under specific curcumstances…which wasnt really the case in with these cases… with what we know anyway. You and others are acting like Watson had some sort of political power to do anything to these women…he really didnt. fact remains there are multiple reasons why they may not report them as often as they should…still doesnt mean that anything untoward actually happened.
Also, you & the twitter feminists need to cut it out. if the browns had interviewed every single one of the alleged victims and still opted to bring him aboard, lets not act like all would be well with their decision. You & the twitter feminists would still be clutching your pearls. Please cut it out.
maverick512000
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Why would he? In his mind it is we who should be thanking him for gracing us with his presence for the last 5 years.
Imagine telling a sexual assault victim that shame isn’t a valid emotional response to trauma. You sir, are out of touch. And this may surprise you, but you obviously don’t know everything.
Reading this thread and others. Isn't it odd that the posters who wanted Watson off the roster and some of his more vocal critics are now spending the majority of their time posting about Watson?
Mr teX
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your reading comprehension is AWFUL. Where in my post did i say it isn’t a valid emotional response to trauma?
Read this VERY CAREFULLY & take your obvious emotion about this out of it. THERE IS NO VALID REASON NOT TO REPORT A CRIME IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE BEEN WRONGED.
But…………. If you do report it…..for whatever reason………. IT.DOES.NOT.PRECLUDE.ANYONE.FROM.QEUSTIONING.THE.VALIDITY.OF.YOUR.CLAIMS….. especially if:
- you wait for months after the fact to report the incident
-You continue to interact with the alleged assailant after the alleged incident…...like we know some of the alleged victims did by taking other appointments from him afterwards..or in 1 instance, showing up at the dudes house…..unannounced.
- you have little to no evidence to back up your claim
All of these things are within the control of them..not DW4. And at just about every turn their responses/decisions after the fact to the alleged incidents dont really line up with what they’re asserting.
get a grip buddy.
Mr teX
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i keep vowing to stay out of this thread, but the level of gaslighting, butthurt and virtue signaling by a vocal few in here and elsewhere on social media is absurd…cant get away from it even if i wanted to as it tends to spill over in other threads anyway so….
maverick512000
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I’m enjoying watching unfold to see how big a bullet the Texans dodged. Besides, until the draft not much else to talk about.
Number19
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One, depends on the definition of "sexual assault"; two, depends on whether the definition is politically motivated; three, why is there a distinction between "assault" and "sexual assault"; four, to what degree is society "responsible"?
Number19
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Accusation should be dismissed.
The1ApplePie
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1. In the cases I know personally, it is full-on rape, if that is what you are asking.
2. Not sure what a "politically motivated definition" is when it comes to SA.
3. Because they are two different crimes. Sex assault is one of the worst crimes imaginable, and has been thought of that way for most of human history.
4. Victim-blaming is a big reason why a lot of rapes/SA are never reported. It is also the most common defense when it actually goes to trial. There is so much stigma and shame put on women for sexual stuff in general.
Number19
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Too bad we're not allowed to discuss.
I'll try one comment, although it'll likely be deleted. Where does this example fall within your morals (actually occurred): the student had consensual sex following a party where she became inebriated. The following day she took full responsibility, but after a week of intense pressure, she filed a complaint of sexual assault, the argument being, a women is incapable of giving consent while inebriated. Was she raped? And can women give consent after drinking? This is also an example of politics entering the debate.
Mr teX
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The stigma and shame attached to women for sexual stuff is a societal problem as a whole. Even when the law isnt involved, sexually promiscuous women arent typically thought of very highly by men ……or women. And alot of women operate under that premise. So when you have situations like this, no woman is going to readily admit that they may have wanted anything sexual b/c it makes them look bad and they are likely may be too embarrassed to have to admit that. Its therefore much easier to say & have folks believe that the male may have been over-aggressive…especially if there were feelings involved that werent reciprocated.
thats why in those same trials you mention, the lawyers for these women tend to overplay the “powerless” angle by harping on the very things folks keep mentioning in here.
“What was i to do? physically he’s much bigger than me? I feared for my life”. Last i checked, everyone’s brain is about the same size. So If you have the opportunity to deescalate or remove yourself from the situation do it.
“i didnt report it right then b/c its little ol’ me & noone would believe me b/c he’s famous/so powerful”. The woman that Kobe assaulted came forward immediately and it got addressed by the authorities as it should’ve fairly quickly. That was nearly 20 years ago. Same for Christy Mack and the woman Greg Hardy beat up. The woman Trevor Hoffman assaulted..same. This notion that noone will believe them is a narrative that just doesnt play anymore. Certainly not since 2000.
women are very often given the benefit of the doubt & excuses by alot of people..evidence and decisionmaking be damned. The male? Not so much. We’re all the same neanderthal savages who just take what we want. Surely a woman wouldnt agree to do the things she alleged he made her do…
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No means no, period. You also have no facts whatsoever to support your claim that “a lot” of women act that way. It Doesn’t matter how a woman acts if she doesn’t consent.
It also doesn’t matter if a woman is a prostitute. If she doesn’t consent, it’s a crime.
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It’s a Good thing that’s not how the law works.
Mr teX
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You keep pulling out strawman arguments that have next to nothing to do with the facts of this case. And the alleged victims often don’t have any support to prove that an assault happened …………but That hasnt stopped you from asserting that one did. We’re just supposed to believe that one did……b/c they all said so. Thats evidence to you. Done with you b/c its clear you can’t refute anything im saying…youre just arguing to be arguing at this point.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
There are stories for the other side of the coin.
Brian Banks was an 18 year old HS football star who was being heavily recruited by CFB. A 14 year old girl decided to end this young man’s dreams by accusing him of rape at a party. He spent the next 5+ years behind bars while her Mom got a lawyer and successfully sued the Long Beach School District for 1.5M dollars. At some point, Wanetta Gibson grew a conscience and admitted she had made the whole thing up. Even with this admission, no charges were brought against Wanetta, her family kept the money, and Banks was awarded 406K dollars for his wrongful time spent in jail. What kind of absolute bullshite is this? The accusers make out like “Fat Cats” and Banks lived in a cage for 62 months.
For reasons just like this story…..you do not hitch your wagon to accusations with no physical evidence. All accusations deserve to be scrutinized until proven truthful without a doubt or inconclusive due to lack of any real evidence.
In Watson’s case….”2” TX GJ’s chose not to indict for a “lack of evidence”. This information must be very difficult to comprehend or some of you just don’t want to believe that your “absolutely guilty” predictions just were flat out disproved.
Watson and Cleveland fans will come together at some point after his first contested deep TD throw and a solid victory. We all know fans can be fickle….throw some victories or the possibility of a playoff securing winning season and they’ll flock to the stadium to root on their new and favorite star.
Brian Banks was an 18 year old HS football star who was being heavily recruited by CFB. A 14 year old girl decided to end this young man’s dreams by accusing him of rape at a party. He spent the next 5+ years behind bars while her Mom got a lawyer and successfully sued the Long Beach School District for 1.5M dollars. At some point, Wanetta Gibson grew a conscience and admitted she had made the whole thing up. Even with this admission, no charges were brought against Wanetta, her family kept the money, and Banks was awarded 406K dollars for his wrongful time spent in jail. What kind of absolute bullshite is this? The accusers make out like “Fat Cats” and Banks lived in a cage for 62 months.
For reasons just like this story…..you do not hitch your wagon to accusations with no physical evidence. All accusations deserve to be scrutinized until proven truthful without a doubt or inconclusive due to lack of any real evidence.
In Watson’s case….”2” TX GJ’s chose not to indict for a “lack of evidence”. This information must be very difficult to comprehend or some of you just don’t want to believe that your “absolutely guilty” predictions just were flat out disproved.
Watson and Cleveland fans will come together at some point after his first contested deep TD throw and a solid victory. We all know fans can be fickle….throw some victories or the possibility of a playoff securing winning season and they’ll flock to the stadium to root on their new and favorite star.
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Mr teX
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dont expect a response…
You spoke in general about many women acting promiscuous. You made that assertion.
You should do actual research on the percentage of rape allegations that end up being false but I know you won’t do it because I suggested you do this before and still you have not.
Also let me correct myself. Sexual Assault doesn’t just include rape. https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag....y-is-there-so-little-reliable-data-about-them
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Again, Buzbee was 100% certain he had Hardin and Watson in the corner.
Hardin and Watson have proclaimed his innocence from the very get-go….even refusing a quick payoff to send the first alleged victim on her way.
TX GJ wound up favoring Watson since Buzbee failed to bring quantifiable evidence to the GJ.
I know and understand what women have been through in sexual assaults. I knew a young lady from Acapulco’s Restaurant in Carlsbad who was raped walking to her car one evening. She never thought twice about going to the police immediately after the perpetrator left the scene. It was horrific but she was pissed and wanted the guy caught.
The way this one played out…..just never felt right.
He’s going to have to pay money. You are forgetting that. What’s not right is going to 50 plus women then lying about it being for just massages. Then, forcing them to perform sexual acts. You know what a prosecutor does who doesn’t want to indict someone? Secure no bills. Oh, and not present testimony of all the complainants to the GJ. That’s an incomplete investigation. Or in other words, corruption.
The DA’s office will accept a misdemeanor charge of harassment on the word of an individual he said she said. That’s one of the charges that requires the least amount of evidence. So at the very least indecent assault, those charges are brought and accepted in the same manner. The prosecutor did not want to indict. Period. Because not all of the evidence/testimony was presented. You don’t wrap up a presentation on 9 complainants in 4 hours. Lol
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
“Forcing’ them…..where is this evidence? I’m fairly certain that if any GJ (2) had seen any hard evidence to backup this accusation…..both TX GJ’s wouldn’t have allowed Watson off the hook.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
How do you think it would look to all those who’ve followed this case if 50 women suddenly show up for the civil side instead of the original 22? You don’t think there’d be a chance that it would come off as a money grab led by Buzbee now that his payday is suddenly looking really shaky b/c the criminal side has been removed. None of these women could’ve afforded Buzbee’s representation out of their own pocketbooks. If Buzbee’s final chance at a payday goes the way of the GJ outcomes….I wonder how all this will shake out in the end.
Incomplete presentation. Testimony is considered evidence and not all of those women got to give their sworn testimony in court. You can’t argue that. That’s a fact.
The GJ chose (or the DA didn’t call the women to the stand) not to listen to all of the women’s testimony, so kinda hard to say there was not enough evidence. If the GJ has any questions, they need to call them up where they can ask them. It was incomplete.
If 50 women showed up to the civil side it would say more about Watson’s activities.
Oh and BTW, Rusty Hardin charges just as much if not more than Buzbee for his hourly rate. What makes him not be considered a cash grab attorney? Because Watson can afford it?
CloakNNNdagger
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Probably a phrase that a smarter person would have avoided.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
why do you think all the women weren't called? You think it was a conspiracy?
You talk about Easterby being a con man
Derrick is just a less intelligent con man.
Yes, I think somebody got paid to not call those witnesses and hopefully she will suffer the consequences of decisions like this at the ballot box.
They were subpoenaed. If you aren’t going to call them, don’t subpoena them. 1 out of 9 were called to the stand. There were 9 DIFFERENT complainants. If you intend to indict someone you will put forth all the testimony you have.
The1ApplePie
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People that are drunk are incapable of giving consent, so yeah, that is sexual assault. SA through intoxication or coercion is still SA.
Mr teX
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baloney…you guys are trying to color something with a black and white brush…and its anything but.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You’re right, Watson could afford his top flight legal council. Buzbee on the other hand had clients that probably couldn’t afford his services….therefore what was Buzbee’s motivation? He knew the contingency fee (% of total) would be completely dependent on what he secured through lawsuits against Watson. Of course, the more women involved in the Civil Cases the more money Buzbee stands to make. I’m going to guess that Buzbee’s contingency fee guarantees him at minimum 33% of the total take or maybe 40% of the take….just depends on what his clients agreed to.
Carr Bombed
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We got a bunch of Johnnie Cochran(s) in this thread, it's sad.
Yes the legal system decided not to proceed with criminal charges, that sadly is the case in most of these occurrences. Which is why a lot of women don't even bother pursuing coming forward...they just take it, and that's so wrong.
What's even worse is even if they do speak up you have dumbasses who'll then question the time it took them to gather the strength and say something. (It's already happened in this damn thread).
I have 3 sisters, 2 of them were date rapped in high school (that's how they lost their virginity). They didn't tell the Family crap about it for over 15 years.. I guess since they weren't forthcoming about that trama it didn't happen.
Watson had 22 women come forward, people who think they were all lying are just stupid as hell.. sorry.
Yes the legal system decided not to proceed with criminal charges, that sadly is the case in most of these occurrences. Which is why a lot of women don't even bother pursuing coming forward...they just take it, and that's so wrong.
What's even worse is even if they do speak up you have dumbasses who'll then question the time it took them to gather the strength and say something. (It's already happened in this damn thread).
I have 3 sisters, 2 of them were date rapped in high school (that's how they lost their virginity). They didn't tell the Family crap about it for over 15 years.. I guess since they weren't forthcoming about that trama it didn't happen.
Watson had 22 women come forward, people who think they were all lying are just stupid as hell.. sorry.
Carr Bombed
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..and this is why Caserio won in the trade.. A++++
Why? Because we don't have to deal with this crap anymore and it's their problem now, plus I think he actually got +value for the human turd. Good riddance, can't wait to see what replaces you.. Houston won this trade, don't let haters tell you different.
Why? Because we don't have to deal with this crap anymore and it's their problem now, plus I think he actually got +value for the human turd. Good riddance, can't wait to see what replaces you.. Houston won this trade, don't let haters tell you different.
CloakNNNdagger
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From Peter King Monday Morningl Quarterback
Deshaun Watson. Not sure Watson changed any minds at his introductory press conference Friday. “I never did anything those people are alleging,” Watson said, one of three or four different ways of denying every sexual offense that he’s been accused. That’s a boldface clip-and-save in this story, particularly when a Houston police officer went on record after authorities investigated the cases and said the accusers were “credible and reliable.” Someone’s not telling the truth here. As for Watson’s fate, the NFL may do one of three things this year: put him on the commissioner’s exempt list (he’d be paid for a second straight season while sitting till the 22 sex-crime civil cases are decided); let him play while deferring discipline till the cases are done; or suspend him for some time this year regardless of the outcome of the cases. It’s a mystery as of this morning.
Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Not the most popular people at the league meetings on Sunday. I heard lots of grumbling from those who think a) trading six picks for a player who may be found guilty of heinous offenses or b) signing Watson to the richest guaranteed contract in league history and giving him an $80-million raise “stinks to high heaven,” as one team exec said. The Haslams had to know it was coming, and now that they’ve traded for and signed Watson, it’s not going away.
Deshaun Watson. Not sure Watson changed any minds at his introductory press conference Friday. “I never did anything those people are alleging,” Watson said, one of three or four different ways of denying every sexual offense that he’s been accused. That’s a boldface clip-and-save in this story, particularly when a Houston police officer went on record after authorities investigated the cases and said the accusers were “credible and reliable.” Someone’s not telling the truth here. As for Watson’s fate, the NFL may do one of three things this year: put him on the commissioner’s exempt list (he’d be paid for a second straight season while sitting till the 22 sex-crime civil cases are decided); let him play while deferring discipline till the cases are done; or suspend him for some time this year regardless of the outcome of the cases. It’s a mystery as of this morning.
Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Not the most popular people at the league meetings on Sunday. I heard lots of grumbling from those who think a) trading six picks for a player who may be found guilty of heinous offenses or b) signing Watson to the richest guaranteed contract in league history and giving him an $80-million raise “stinks to high heaven,” as one team exec said. The Haslams had to know it was coming, and now that they’ve traded for and signed Watson, it’s not going away.
Mr teX
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None of yall can objectively keep your own personal experiences out of this. Too invested b/c of what happened to women you know & Buzzard banked on that. Too bad he had nothing else. Fact is none of that is relevant. Their stories can be questioned period. Thats what you call an investigation and what its supposed to do. Y’all only want the investigation for 1 side & thats not how it works.