I would like it to go back to the Texans' salary cap money. I don't care if the McNair's get a dime back in their pockets.
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Second grand jury declines to indict QB Watson
A second grand jury in Texas declined to indict Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson on Thursday after considering an accusation of sexual misconduct.
www.espn.com
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OMG, There's no Lefty's Philly Cheesesteak in Cleveland.
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Yep posted yesterday.
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He also said Jackson should change positions. I like Polian alot, but agents have a job to do as do gms
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Pulling that Cal McNair lol
Cal McNair got rid of a sexual deviant instead of trading for one....
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Where was Cal when Culley was hired or something big was going on? Read 2 lines and duck out. Didn't answer a single question about anything. That's what I said about him pulling a play out of the playbook. You see the 2nd grand jury decide to do nothing right? So does that mean the da is in trouble again?
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Selleck isn't worried about re-election........he is lame duck.
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Jimmy Haslam Does Not Care What You Think
https://defector.com/jimmy-haslam-does-not-care-what-you-think/#coral_thread
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In this world, certain things are inherent truths: The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. Your toast will land butter-side down. And any large and powerful organization will dump its difficult news on a Friday. So, of course, it was on a Friday when the Cleveland Browns announced that they were trading for quarterback Deshaun Watson. In this case, though, the word trade, while correct, feels as if it downplaying how well the move worked out for Watson—who is still being sued by 22 women who say he sexually harassed them during massage appointments, including three lawsuits in which women say the QB forced them to perform oral sex. Three other women also have said publicly that the QB sexually harassed them during massage appointments, but one dropped her lawsuit instead of refilling it with her name, and the other two women have not filed suits.
Here is how last week went for Watson. After not playing football for a year, the Cleveland Browns gave Watson a $230 million, fully guaranteed contract, making it one of the richest deals in NFL history. The contract intentionally gave Watson a meager (by NFL QB standards) base salary in the first year of just more than $1 million, a move that appears to be done to significantly reduce the amount of money he would lose if suspended from playing by the NFL because of what those 25 women say. That assumes he’s suspended at all. Collectively, this means that, at least money wise, Watson came out a far richer man than he was before the the women came forward.
This led to a lot of anger, from NFL fans and, specifically, Browns fans. How could it not? I don’t want to pretend that every NFL fan cares about violence towards women—plenty of people were celebrating this move for the Browns. But there are fans who care because how could there not be when hundreds of millions of people follow the league. (Yes, those fans include women but, as the abuse by Richard Strauss at Ohio State and Robert Anderson at Michigan show, sexual violence happens to men, too.) After the Watson deal was announced, the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center said it got more than a thousand donations.
In response to this anger, the Browns issued several statements on Sunday, most notably from team owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Their statement is worth going over in detail because a lot can be gleaned about the mores of pro sports team ownership by what is said and, also, what is not. The statement opened with this:
If the Browns spent “significant” time looking into what happened, I’d expect this statement to go into detail about those steps. As the saying goes, show, don’t tell. But no surprise, this statement gives none of those details. You and I must take the Haslams—who made their fortune owning a truck-stop company recently involved in a massive fraud case —at their word. (The lead attorney for the women suing, Tony Buzbee, has said that no NFL team reached out to him.)
Next, the Haslams said this:
Translation: Whatever sexual violence you have suffered in your own life is “personal.” Please stop tweeting about it. Thank you.
It went on:
Translation: We once again will not tell you what we did, because we own the team and you do not.
The statement continued:
Or, rather, the Haslams mean this: We will say nothing about our “investigation” but we will go into great detail about what Watson said because that is the only part that makes us look good.
And finally:
Translation Let’s do some winning! Please ignore what all 25 women have said! Let’s freaking goooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
The statements from the rest of the Browns organization all struck similar tones. General manager Andrew Berry also insisted that their investigation was “extensive,” without actually saying what was done, and talked about “positive contributions to our team,” a.k.a. winning.
Head coach Kevin Stefanski’s statement also pointed out the “extensive” work done to make them comfortable signing Watson, and also did not say what that work was. Neither of these statements matter, though. If the Haslams were bothered by what the women have said about Watson, they would have vetoed any move to sign him by their employees. Clearly, they were not.
THE REST OF THE STORY
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An excuse given for the zoom session is that the NFL owners meeting is going. The problem is that the owners meeting does not begin for another 48 hours.
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Besides, he owns
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Cleveland to Palm Beach, Florida = 1,180 miles
Time to travel roundtrip = 4 hours
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Watson's press conference will be at 1:00 p.m. ET today. The conference will also include, he’ll be joined by G.M. Andrew Berry and coach Kevin Stefanski.
Proud owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam won’t be present. They will stay bullet-proof behind a zoom conference at 3:00 p.m.
Proud owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam won’t be present. They will stay bullet-proof behind a zoom conference at 3:00 p.m.
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Watson is the second QB tip that Jimmy Haslam got from the homeless man.............
If Larry or Clint Stoerner are babbling about Watson, I just change the channel. Both of those dudes are incapable of being objective about the guy. I wish they'd both move to Cleveland with him.
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Besides the homeless man, Haslam gained excellent counseling on the choice of Watson from his "experienced" daughters..........who researched the subject "extensively.
Jimmy Haslam was urged to give Dee Haslam and their 2 daughters veto power over the Deshaun Watson trade: ‘Everybody was on board’
Updated: Mar. 25, 2022, 8:34 p.m. | Published: Mar. 25, 2022, 8:34 p.m.
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Way to put it on your daughters!
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It’s annoying. I get why they put him on, it’s radio. For those that hate him and those that agree but anyones love affair with DW at this point is just misguided grandstanding. Most of us no longer care about him. After he finishes one of his stupid rants about DW one of the 790 hosts need to ask him are you going to buy a CLE DW jersey? If the answer is no then shut the hell up. This is the same idiot that believed all along DW would end up playing for HST. Flush that ****. It was never going to happen you moron.
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who's the homeless dude?
“I just want to say this has been a really hard and difficult journey for us and for our family,’’ Dee said. “We spent a lot of time and a lot of evenings spending time with our daughters and working through this as a family. I have to tell you, it was really hard. We had to really work hard to get comfortable with the decision. We knew going into this that this could be really hard on individuals and could trigger emotions from individuals who have been through sexual abuse. I just have to tell you, our compassion for those individuals is really deep. We know how hard this has been on them.”
“I just want to say this has been a really hard and difficult journey for us and for our family,’’ Dee said. “We spent a lot of time and a lot of evenings spending time with our daughters and working through this as a family. I have to tell you, it was really hard. We had to really work hard to get comfortable with the decision. We knew going into this that this could be really hard on individuals and could trigger emotions from individuals who have been through sexual abuse. I just have to tell you, our compassion for those individuals is really deep. We know how hard this has been on them.”
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Jimmy Haslam says homeless man convinced him to 'draft Manziel'
Browns owner Jimmy Haslam says a homeless man convinced him to draft Johnny Manziel.
By Will Brinson
May 9, 2014 at 5:32 am ET1 min read
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If you have to work hard to get comfortable with a decision then it’s probably not a good decision.
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Yep, between Djohn and CND, their spending alot of post time. I guess it's to keep us informed
Obsession is a hell of a drug..
I'm enjoying their postsYep, between Djohn and CND, their spending alot of post time. I guess it's to keep us informed
You aren't?
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Clay Travis on Deshaun Watson: If 22 women accuse you of sexual assault, you should have some form of regret
Watson denied any wrongdoing in his first press conference with the Browns since being traded
By Nick Geddes | OutKick
Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson was introduced to the Cleveland media Friday, fresh off being acquired from the Texans for a significant draft package.
Watson, with 22 sexual assault allegations hanging over him, said that he has no regrets about anything in the past.
"I don’t have any regrets," Watson said. "Like I said, the things off the field right now that came up caught me by surprise because I never did anything that these people are alleging."
OutKick’s Clay Travis said on OutKick The Show Friday that he found Watson’s remarks peculiar.
"22 different women alleging sexual assault and we still haven’t gotten any kind of rational defense from Deshaun Watson, except that he said, ‘I don’t have any regrets,'" Travis said. "I don’t know, if 22 different women accuse you of sexual assault, I would think you would have to have some form of regret in your life.
"… I would think over the past year, as you have had this hanging over your head, that you might have had at some point in time, some small scintilla of regret based on your behavior that has put you in this situation."
Watson denied any wrongdoing in his first press conference with the Browns since being traded
By Nick Geddes | OutKick
Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson was introduced to the Cleveland media Friday, fresh off being acquired from the Texans for a significant draft package.
Watson, with 22 sexual assault allegations hanging over him, said that he has no regrets about anything in the past.
"I don’t have any regrets," Watson said. "Like I said, the things off the field right now that came up caught me by surprise because I never did anything that these people are alleging."
OutKick’s Clay Travis said on OutKick The Show Friday that he found Watson’s remarks peculiar.
"22 different women alleging sexual assault and we still haven’t gotten any kind of rational defense from Deshaun Watson, except that he said, ‘I don’t have any regrets,'" Travis said. "I don’t know, if 22 different women accuse you of sexual assault, I would think you would have to have some form of regret in your life.
"… I would think over the past year, as you have had this hanging over your head, that you might have had at some point in time, some small scintilla of regret based on your behavior that has put you in this situation."
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Deshaun Watson’s comments about new Cleveland contract hurt his credibility
Fri, March 25, 2022, 5:54 PM·2 min read
Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson needs fans and media to believe that he didn’t violate the rights of any of the 22 woman who have sued him for sexual misconduct during massage sessions. That makes his overall credibility directly relevant to the question of whether he should be believed when he insists that he did nothing wrong.
Regarding his overall credibility, Watson did himself no favors when he claimed during his introductory press conference that his decision to select the Browns had nothing to do with the five-year, fully-guaranteed, $230 million contract the team offered him.
“Actually, it had nothing to do with the contract,” Watson said regarding his selection of the Browns. “I did not know about the contract until I told my agent that I wanted to come and be a Cleveland Brown. That was secondary. That was after the fact that we spoke on the phone with [Andrew Berry], Kevin and the Haslam family. That had nothing to do with me choosing the Cleveland Browns.”
That’s just not believable. Multiple reports have indicated that, when Watson was struggling with four potential destinations, he eliminated the Browns first. Next came the Panthers, who per multiple reports were unwilling to guarantee the final two years of the new five-year deal.
Of course the contract became a major factor. To suggest otherwise offends the person of even the most average intelligence (i.e., me). Russell Wilson, who has only two years left on his current deal, didn’t get a new contract when he was traded to the Broncos. And as to the claim by Browns G.M. Andrew Berry that Watson’s new team simply wanted one more year of control, they surely could have gotten it without ripping up the contract Watson received in September 2020 and replacing it with an unprecedented five-year, fully-guaranteed deal.
The mere fact that the Browns became the first team to guarantee every single payment FOR FIVE YEARS into the future shows that, indeed, it was about the contract. Watson can say it wasn’t about the contract, and the rest of us can say, “I don’t believe you.”
And if people don’t believe Watson about this, will they believe him about more important things, like whether he did indeed cross the line with 22 massage therapists who weren’t willing to convert the session into a consensual sexual encounter?
Fri, March 25, 2022, 5:54 PM·2 min read
Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson needs fans and media to believe that he didn’t violate the rights of any of the 22 woman who have sued him for sexual misconduct during massage sessions. That makes his overall credibility directly relevant to the question of whether he should be believed when he insists that he did nothing wrong.
Regarding his overall credibility, Watson did himself no favors when he claimed during his introductory press conference that his decision to select the Browns had nothing to do with the five-year, fully-guaranteed, $230 million contract the team offered him.
“Actually, it had nothing to do with the contract,” Watson said regarding his selection of the Browns. “I did not know about the contract until I told my agent that I wanted to come and be a Cleveland Brown. That was secondary. That was after the fact that we spoke on the phone with [Andrew Berry], Kevin and the Haslam family. That had nothing to do with me choosing the Cleveland Browns.”
That’s just not believable. Multiple reports have indicated that, when Watson was struggling with four potential destinations, he eliminated the Browns first. Next came the Panthers, who per multiple reports were unwilling to guarantee the final two years of the new five-year deal.
Of course the contract became a major factor. To suggest otherwise offends the person of even the most average intelligence (i.e., me). Russell Wilson, who has only two years left on his current deal, didn’t get a new contract when he was traded to the Broncos. And as to the claim by Browns G.M. Andrew Berry that Watson’s new team simply wanted one more year of control, they surely could have gotten it without ripping up the contract Watson received in September 2020 and replacing it with an unprecedented five-year, fully-guaranteed deal.
The mere fact that the Browns became the first team to guarantee every single payment FOR FIVE YEARS into the future shows that, indeed, it was about the contract. Watson can say it wasn’t about the contract, and the rest of us can say, “I don’t believe you.”
And if people don’t believe Watson about this, will they believe him about more important things, like whether he did indeed cross the line with 22 massage therapists who weren’t willing to convert the session into a consensual sexual encounter?
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What won’t get reported is how the Texans acted with aplomb and respect for the process while dealing with this guy. What a contrast DW is presenting yet there are those that STILL have to drag Cal and Nick into this as incompetent idiots.
Yep, between Djohn and CND, their spending alot of post time. I guess it's to keep us informed
Why are we talking about other posters?
First rule - Attack the post, Not the poster.
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Got a question Doc, when has it never been about the money in football. They should have guaranteed contracts because its the most physical sport on the planet. Have you seen Earl Campbell? He looks like he's 80 yrs old and he was paid peanuts. Their retirement is trash. As for Russell Wilson not getting more money, thats his agent fault. The agent should try to squeeze evey penny out of these billion dollar businesses. Rodgers so called undecided future was about getting 50m per season, nothing else. When some of these new qb's come up for their contract, they're going to push it even further. Thats what you're supposed to do as a union. You best believe when a team has the leverage, they're going to use it forcefully.
Time to revisit the CBA.
Shut the league down again if you have to, to retain order. I'm talking about forcing a trade months after signing 156 mil contract. You would think these owners would learn from history how championship teams are built.
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These players got more power than think, but its a weak union. They should've cancelled the playoffs last cba to get a better deal, but they have too many guys living check to check. That last deal they signed is a sucker deal.
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Not sure why you are directing the question to @CloakNNNdagger. I’m pretty sure he knows it’s about the money. It’s Watson that was saying the money had nothing to do with it and he didn’t even know about it. If you want to call someone out for lying about it not being about the money then call out Watson.
I'm for cancelling a season or 2 to maintain the current structure of the NFL. It would be worth it in the long run.
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nothing good is ultimately going to come out of the NFL and Oscars picture of Amerika.
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Money? You've obviously missed the entire main point of the article.
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