CloakNNNdagger
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I don't know how many times that must be repeated.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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I'm talking about when they traded Hopkins, they traded the wrong piece of Clemson trash, and yes, they knew something was going on.
Cal chose money over doing the right thing and it bit him in the butt. Shocking
Maybe you can patent that third eye of yours or setup an office in the Astrodome to teach gullible fans how to detect character flaws in people they have never met or hundreds of miles away from them.
If you didn't know the character flaws was the reason Hopkins was traded I don't know what to tell you. Cal chose DW4's character flaws over Hopkins character flaws. Why? Money
I never believed in the star QB.
Tried to tell posters to not believe in him and was ridiculed for it.
On a realted note, wonder when we're going to see the DW4 slime act again. You can give trash money but they will always be trash. We spray section 8 housing for a living and you wouldn't believe some of the crap that goes on. I really can't believe anybody would support this guy.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
You where vilified because of your stance that DW4 isn't good enough to win a championship, which is in the minority of opinion. No one....including you, knew that behind his squeaky clean image, he has skeletons in the closet. Prior to this knowledge, why wouldn't anyone support an emerging star in the NFL who QB's their hometown team?
Slime act? Section 8?
We did know something was going on because Hopkins got traded. I still dont think DW4's a championship level QB either and I hate that this happened to these women. (Allegedly) However I'm glad the doors to Kirby will be closing soon on DW4 on Kirby. Unlees he settles those doors he hears slamming ver well may be jail cell doors.
Yes I make money working on Section 8 properties. The kind DW4 grew up in.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
I am still very confused about how the Hopkins trade is related to DW4, or how momma Watson and Janice are linked in the process. I have searched and asked on these boards for articles related to this and have come up empty. Beyond message board rumors....where is the proof?
I am in agreement as far as the doors on Kirby closing on Watson. This dude created a media circus for all the wrong reasons this offseason. I would like to move ahead and away from this drama. I wish we could get good value trade compensation now....but that isn't happening anymore.
Allegedly
Speaking of which... what would you need to believe he’s innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt? Or that he’s guilty? Have we passed that point?
His defense doesn’t make much sense. Covid but yet reaching out to a lot of random women and even going to their homes
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I don't know what it would take but a good start would be some explanations and consistency. Why does a professional athlete that makes his living with his body trust random Instagram therapists? Why does he go to so many? Ok so some of the sexual encounters were consensual, what triggered it and who made the first move? Did he go into these encounters expecting sex? What about each of these women stood out to him that made him contact them because it seems to be all over the board? Why fly in therapists from out of state that you don't know and apparently have no connection to? How is it that so many of these statements are so alike?
At this point the whole "innocent until proven guilty" seems to be more of a moral stance for most people than one supported by known facts. Doesn't help that if it was any regular person off the street they would have long since been locked away and the key melted down in front of them.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
He guilty of being an idiot and putting himself in this situation. That still doesn’t begin to describe how dumb he is.
Also - he tried to demand a trade from the Texans six months after signing a contract that he praised as a great thing.
Being guilty of those two things - his indescribable amount of stupidity on the masseuse stuff and demanding a trade is enough for me to say get the hell out of Dodge.
But potential sexual assault/harassment makes me want to help him pack his **** cause he ain’t moving fast enough for me.
Time to move on and continue rebuilding. If only we could get this stuff behind us to see if there is anything we get for him in a trade. If not cut him.
No one is coming out of this innocent. Even if you believe all 22 womens' account 100%, none filed a police report. And if you believe Watson is being blackmailed, he paid for sex. There are no winners here. Just shades of grey.
That standard is not applied in civil proceedings. The burden of proof is on both sides. The plaintiffs must prove that torts were committed by Watson. Watson must prove that he committed harm to no one. Everyone enters the court on equal footing.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Maybe you can patent that third eye of yours or setup an office in the Astrodome to teach gullible fans how to detect character flaws in people they have never met or hundreds of miles away from them.
Bro when this came out I knew old buddy would go lower than the lowest. Why, well because he never did like Watson from the jump.
Like I stated early on, instead of bashing and pumping ones chest. How about praying for the young man who clearly has a problem.
Watson is in a sticky nasty situation, as well as the Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again Hop got traded because he wanted out. He went in that office demanding a raise after his harsh remarks to Bill O'Brien and his offense. No way Obrien was going to allow Hop to get away with that type of disrespect. So they painted this picture and you guys are now running wild with it.
Hop was the player who charged Watson up for partying too much in his rookie year.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Think i'll see if I can take the bar exam this week.
Agreed. There were probably a few things he could have done way back when, but now, there’s no way out. Guilty or innocent, he’s not playing football for anyone until he pays somebody something.
We’ll never know the truth & this will be hanging over his head on the gridiron or in it.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Winning fixes everything, Big Ben’s stuff was forgiven because he went on to win super bowls. IF Watson is allowed to play again then he will have to do the same for this to not be the first thing mentioned when his career is talked about.
Think i'll see if I can take the bar exam this week.
Just don't use the posts in this thread as reference material. Just because people can play being lawyers on the internet, it doesn't mean they should be any where near a court room.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Innocent of what? Sexual assault? For me to believe he's innocent of the sexual assault part beyond a shadow of doubt, it would take something extreme exposing these women and/or Buzbee.
I don't think there's anything that can happen to make me believe he's innocent for the rest of it. I mean, if you add the 18 women that Hardin found who had no problems with Deshaun, that gets us to what, 40 or more "massage therapists"? And it doesn't help that he was requesting massages from women where massages weren't really what some of them specialized in. I mean, if you're in need of massages as much as it appears Watson needed it, why are you looking outside that specialized realm?
And even if the towel accidently falls off, exposing yourself to that many, basically strangers, in an environment where he has no protection from a he said, she said scenario, i.e. all of them being 1-on-1 private situations, that's just a really, really dumb way for a publicly known rich person to do things. Just in this thread there's been mention of leaving the door open in an office environment when a woman enters. You just don't put yourself in that situation, especially if you're famous and rich.
I could get past the sexual assault part, but like I said, it would take something crazy proving these cases to be fraudulant, but there's nothing that can get me to innocence beyond a shadow of doubt for all of the, as @Lucky put it, shades of grey. I mean Team Watson has basically admitted to paying for sex. There's no coming back from that.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
To minimize the number of complainants, Hardin in one his statements related that last year Watson averaged ~ 3 massages per week. That's ~150 massages a year. Maybe a couple massage sessions per week during the season may be reasonable, but last year, there was virtually no football activity/trauma for the first 7 months of the year. How do you get 150? For good reason, the need for such numbers of massages have been question by NFL personnel and players alike.
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Aw hell, you just burst my bubble.
Guess i'll get back to playing gm on my mock draft simulator.
I’m not judging one way or the other, but that there are so many similarities makes me think there may be some coaching going on. Staged. Scripted.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ok I concede that is likely in regards to that question. Now what about the others?
No 1 showed up to the press conference and another signed a statement read at the press conference. There was still only 1 police report to date.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
............or that he has a predictable MO. "If guilty," he would fall right in line with a repeated routine seen by those that follow through with their significant pathologic "sexual predispositions."
Texian
Hall of Fame
Pattern of behavior.
LOL. Good idea. You also shouldn't use this forum to study for the Psychiatry board exam. Every real psychiatrist knows about the Goldwater rule that states it's unethical to diagnose the mental state of a public figure without examining them or getting their consent.Aw hell, you just burst my bubble.
Guess i'll get back to playing gm on my mock draft simulator.
In fairness, if you are studying for an exam from Ms. Cleo or Carnac the Magnificent, this material is golden.
Yes, either could be true. Right now, we don't know which is true.
Dejaview
All Pro
sorry man. What is that supposed to mean? I Don’t think DW had a choice where he grew up, right. You CHOSE to work on those properties for money? I had to look up that **** on google. Never heard of it. Section 8? As a die hard conservative as I am, I’m not getting this.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Just public figures? Are MB posters public figures? I know a couple of posters here that are certifiable.
I didn't vote for Goldwater in 64. His rule took all he fun out of MB posting.
Wait...What....we didn't have message boards back then, what the hell was he talking about. We maintained our sanity back then.
Are we drifting...again?
I predict Watson will settle all claims this week and will be traded to Philadelphia for a Philly steak sandwich.
Texans will use the pick on a TE.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yeah just like all the GMs, HCs and NFL owners around here.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Edit because I reread the post and my reply doesn’t apply.
wildroot
Rookie
Seems like Klinger on MASH was always vying for a section 8...otherwise I don't know what it is.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Yes...hang on. It says they had I think 48hrs to refile. Otherwise, apparently they will drop the ones who don't refile.
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Deshaun Watson massage therapist tries to explain text messages that could hurt Watson’s case
On March 31, Jasmine Brooks became one of 18 massage therapists who issued statements in support of Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson. On April 6, attorney Tony Buzbee attributed to Brooks (without specifically naming her) text messages that seemed to mesh with Buzbee’s contention that Watson...www.yahoo.com
Let's keep it in mind that 1 for certain is a Stripper. I don't think it is too hard to imagine paying her a few bucks to say "he was so nice and never did anything to make me feel uncomfortable".
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bringing up section 8 was a very low blow. Sometimes some people could get carried away on certain things.
Watson growing up on section 8 aid has no bearing to what’s going on today.
Texansballer74
The Marine
NFL insider says Deshaun Watson suspension increasingly likely in 2021 - NewsBreak
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson began his offseason by demanding a trade and planned to sit out the start of the 2021 NFL season to force a move. Now, in the wake of 22 civil suits for alleging unwanted sexual acts, the star quarterback might not be able to play even if he wants to.
www.newsbreakapp.com
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
NFL insider says Deshaun Watson suspension increasingly likely in 2021 - NewsBreak
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson began his offseason by demanding a trade and planned to sit out the start of the 2021 NFL season to force a move. Now, in the wake of 22 civil suits for alleging unwanted sexual acts, the star quarterback might not be able to play even if he wants to.
I think at this point Watson will be suspended at least, even if all this goes away, it’s just a matter of how many games. At this point the NFL doesn’t have to act so they can wait to see how this plays out. Let the severity of the charges at the start of the season determine their next move. A suspension for having civil suits that are settled by that point would be far different than one due to pending criminal charges.
There was NEVER an article written on the subject . There wont ever be an article confirming or denying this chapter either. It was buried because of the optics & people's media credentials are on the line.
I made the initial cryptic post on instagram hoes and momma drama / mother goose after several months of sitting on the information of why Hopkins was traded after talking to two people I know close to the situation which was confirmed by another highly trusted source.
Over a period of time the story was told by someone else with inside information that totally corroborated what I heard and I confirmed that was indeed what was insinuated in the earlier "cryptic post" which can be found here Texans Defense is terrible. Absolutely terrible! | Page 12 | Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com
Take that for what its worth.
Dejaview
All Pro
yep. I had to look up what it was. In my days there wasn’t a lot of money and the neighborhoods were where the cars were up on blocks and the houses were on wheels...to borrow a Billy Joe Shaver line.
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theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Thank you for clarifying.
If all this is true, any idea what the relationship is between momma and Janice at this point? Does momma blame the Texans for not protecting her baby?
Thanks Corrosion appreciate that info.
So at the risk of beating the proverbial dead horse let me see if I've got this right:
(1) The reason the Texans traded D-Hop to the Cards with such stunning and mystifying terms was to whisk him out of town as quick possible with the first willing trading partner so they could get him as far away from DW4 as possible to eliminate the influence on DW4 ?
(2) The real reason DW4 was pizzed at the organization and wanted out wasn't so much because he didn't approve of the hiring process of
a new HC and/or GM, but rather because the organization was intervening in his relationship with D-Hop & trying to get him (DW4) to change his own off field lifestyle ?
Check out DB's posts
Corrosion etc...
Posters that know people within the Texans org.
You can choose to believe or not believe.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Long ago, I posted that Hopkins, the media and Michael Irvin out of ignorance or for whatever reason entirely misrepresented the true meaning of the statement credited to O'Brien that "Hopkins had too much influence over the locker room." The "locker room" label should have always correctly been assigned to reference Watson specifically.............i.e., Watson's introduction to the wilder life by Hopkins.
Or he's a sexual predator that has certain patterns. Like, either the towel kept falling off or it didn't. My favorite was when this happened DW4 asked, Do you want to sit on it? You think it took coaching for the woman to say that?