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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?

DanielTx

Veteran
2/6 Redzone = awful playcalling

Minshew needs to ball out next week and Titans should beat us the following week but will probably lose. We might be 0-6 or 1-5 entering the bye week after facing Green Bay. Hopefully Ob’s gone sooner. The owner is a joke man
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
2/6 Redzone = awful playcalling

Minshew needs to ball out next week and Titans should beat us the following week but will probably lose. We might be 0-6 or 1-5 entering the bye week after facing Green Bay. Hopefully Ob’s gone sooner. The owner is a joke man
This team is a miserable wreck with no draft picks in sight. If OB gets fired, who'd want this job? Even at that, I'd take anyone not named OB at this point. Something new to ***** about would be a change at least.
 

thunderkyss

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2/6 Redzone = awful playcalling

Minshew needs to ball out next week and Titans should beat us the following week but will probably lose. We might be 0-6 or 1-5 entering the bye week after facing Green Bay. Hopefully Ob’s gone sooner. The owner is a joke man
I think the Texans have decided to make sure Jacksonville don't get the #1 overall pick.
 

thunderkyss

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This team is a miserable wreck with no draft picks in sight. If OB gets fired, who'd want this job? Even at that, I'd take anyone not named OB at this point. Something new to ***** about would be a change at least.
Doesn't freak'n matter. Fire him now. Promote the Gatorade dude to HC/GM. Then in three years, when you have some money & some draft picks, hire a GM & let him hire a coach.

The longer BO'b is in this position that day will keep moving three years into the future because he'll continue to trade future picks & overspending into future years.

Stop the bleeding now, heal later
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Doesn't freak'n matter. Fire him now. Promote the Gatorade dude to HC/GM. Then in three years, when you have some money & some draft picks, hire a GM & let him hire a coach.

The longer BO'b is in this position that day will keep moving three years into the future because he'll continue to trade future picks & overspending into future years.

Stop the bleeding now, heal later
Yep. And you know, it sometimes still amazes me we are in as pathetic a position as we are. That OB is still here. That after all these years our o-line still sucks. And the ownership is where? Calling them lost in space is an insult to a horrid 60s TV show.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
One things for sure, Watson is not playing up to our expectations, or to his vaunted reputation as a great QB. Whether you blame it on him not being that great in the first place, or the Texans ruined him, or it's the line, or what-the-****-ever, he ain't getting the job done.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Look at these rookie type mistakes by the great Tom Brady.

No freaking way the great Tom Brady is making these type of mistakes.

Say it ain’t so

When have y’all seen Watson throw 5 interceptions in one game.

This can’t be the great Drew Brees Earl, Sanyo, Optimistic and 76.

Say it ain’t so!

Pretty much every QB has rough days .... that you can show Brady and Brees struggle at times is absolute proof of that.

And Watson isn't throwing picks - that's not the issue really. It's more about making quality decisions in the vast majority of snaps.

Watson makes a heck of a lot of big plays.

He's also putting up "good statistics" overall.


But .... When does perform these big plays ? When do the stats come ?

The majority of these stats come when they are already behind - blame the defense if you like but you also have to look at the fact that they have scored 1 count them first drive TD in the last two seasons with him at the helm - now blame the OL , playcaller , scheme , pass catchers ....

The Greenbay game , he put up "great stats" ..... but GB led by 21 before they got off the starting line.

Titans - 14-0 before they did anything offensively.

Minnesota - 10-0 and 17-3 before they got it in gear.

Baltimore 10-0 ....

When teams get a lead , they change their defensive approach on the back end to "keep everything in front of you and make them burn clock."

In those situations , numbers don't mean the same thing as they do when the game is tighter.

Big plays are great ..... but controlling the game is better.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Pretty much every QB has rough days .... that you can show Brady and Brees struggle at times is absolute proof of that.

And Watson isn't throwing picks - that's not the issue really. It's more about making quality decisions in the vast majority of snaps.

Watson makes a heck of a lot of big plays.

He's also putting up "good statistics" overall.


But .... When does perform these big plays ? When do the stats come ?

The majority of these stats come when they are already behind - blame the defense if you like but you also have to look at the fact that they have scored 1 count them first drive TD in the last two seasons with him at the helm - now blame the OL , playcaller , scheme , pass catchers ....

The Greenbay game , he put up "great stats" ..... but GB led by 21 before they got off the starting line.

Titans - 14-0 before they did anything offensively.

Minnesota - 10-0 and 17-3 before they got it in gear.

Baltimore 10-0 ....

When teams get a lead , they change their defensive approach on the back end to "keep everything in front of you and make them burn clock."

In those situations , numbers don't mean the same thing as they do when the game is tighter.

Big plays are great ..... but controlling the game is better.
And I can show the slow start from every darn quarterback and team out there. It happens but you guys don’t want to talk about the good he does. This is what this thread suppose to be about. There are many other threads highlighting yall concerns and complaints to his growth.

Why do you continue to back of those that act like these other quarterbacks are perfect? Like they’re without flaws.

And to your point, last I checked it’s a team sport. So the slow starts fall on all of them. From the HC, OC and the players on the field. The offensive linemen has to start coming in prepared and ready to go. The running backs needs to earning their paychecks. That position is making top running back pay. But are you gentleman harping on their mistakes? Heck no
 
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steelbtexan

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And I can show the slow start from every darn quarterback and team out there. It happens but you guys don’t want to talk about the good he does. This is what this thread suppose to be about. There are many other threads highlighting yall concerns and complaints his growth.

Why do you continue to back of those that act like these other quarterbacks are perfect? Like they’re without flaws.

And to your point, last I checked it’s a team sport. So the slow starts fall on all of them. From the HC, OC and the players on the field. The offensive linemen has to start coming prepared and ready to go. The running backs needs to earning their paychecks. That position is making top running back pay. But are you same gentleman harping on their mistakes? Heck no
Funny how this works, when something good happens it's all because of DW4, not coaching/other players etc...

But when the 1 TD in 2 yrs is pointed out it's a team problem.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Bradshaw just said,” when you don’t have time and you are getting hit a lot, you’re going to make mistakes”. It doesn’t matter how great you are.

Facts

That’s coming from a person who played this game at a high level.
 
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OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
That’s not fair. & it’s a shame it has come to this.


& DW4 has yet to play that defense
The Colts look as though they've gotten much better. Their LB'ers are as fast as advertised. The DB's looked good as well. I really didn't expect the Colts to turn it around this year b/c I had my doubts as to what Rivers would bring. Sadly, as good as the Colts are looking at the moment, I expect the playoff Rivers to show up and disappoint as usual.

So Tannehill is given a pass b/c his starting OT's are out and it's affecting his performance. As for Watson, he's been strappped with one of the worst OL's in the NFL while performing at the level he performs at and it's excuses when fans bring up the lack of the teams OL, running game, and offensive scheme.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Like I had posted in the good play thread, all one has to do is to search for ALL the top ten QB lists from the beginning of the 2017 season, to the end of that season, up to now.
(And that include all the websites with scouting reports you naysayers love to point to.)
There's a general trend upward for Watson.
To me, that clearly shows Watson has been making improvement year over year.
You naysayers need to take your own advice, and not having a double standard.
End of discussion.
 

Decim8

Veteran
DW4 has yet to play that defense minus both starting OT's.


That defense is pretty darn good .... if their offense can be a little above average , they probably win the division.
I didn't watch the game but did the titans abandoned the run game or something? Even without their starting OT, Henry still put up good numbers
 

thunderkyss

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So Tannehill is given a pass b/c his starting OT's are out and it's affecting his performance.
It’s not so much as giving him a pass. There’s a way to make your point without vilifying Tannehill. It’s not his fault Corrosion thinks he’s the bees knees.

&, it might be safer, to not pour it on too thick if those Colts shut us out for a half.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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It’s not so much as giving him a pass. There’s a way to make your point without vilifying Tannehill. It’s not his fault Corrosion thinks he’s the bees knees.

&, it might be safer, to not pour it on too thick if those Colts shut us out for a half.

Tannehill was playing great earlier in the year - Much better than Watson at the time and they were winning games , finding ways to win when they probably shouldn't have.

Now that team is riddled with injuries and the ball isn't bouncing their way.

That Colts defense might be the 2nd best unit the Texans play this year (Steelers ahead of them).
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Tannehill was playing great earlier in the year - Much better than Watson at the time and they were winning games , finding ways to win when they probably shouldn't have.

Now that team is riddled with injuries and the ball isn't bouncing their way.

That Colts defense might be the 2nd best unit the Texans play this year (Steelers ahead of them).

Big timer every team has to fight through adversities. We were riddled with injuries last season too correct. You wasn’t bringing that known fact up last season whenever it came to Watson and the Texans.

This season we are riddled with a bunch of drama coming from that front office. We are riddled with another year of horrendous offensive line play. Another year without a legitimate running game. And by far the worst defense in Texans history. Lol but when Earl, Optimistic, a few others and myself brings this up, it’s labeled as an excuse by you, Steel, and a few other members. I can’t believe y’all honestly think Watson or any other player should thrive or show whatever type of improvement under these conditions.
 
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thunderkyss

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Tannehill was playing great earlier in the year - Much better than Watson at the time and they were winning games , finding ways to win when they probably shouldn't have
I'm not arguing with you. I'm pleased Tannehill has found a 2nd wind. I love this game because I love the underdog. I love zero to hero stories & I hope Tannehill has a long productive career in the AFCSouth.

Iron sharpens iron & all that.


Now that team is riddled with injuries and the ball isn't bouncing their way.
Do you still think he's a good QB? Despite his stats in that game?


That Colts defense might be the 2nd best unit the Texans play this year (Steelers ahead of them).
Going to be a heck of a game to win. We'll probably give up 40
 

banned1976

sleeper mode
The quarterback gets the lions share of praise when the team wins and he gets the lions share of blame when the team is losing. That’s just the way it is in the NFL.

I’m not so torn when it comes to Watson. He does some things I love but sometimes he makes me question his decision making process. On balance though, I believe he gives the team a competitive chance against anyone.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
The quarterback gets the lions share of praise when the team wins and he gets the lions share of blame when the team is losing. That’s just the way it is in the NFL.

I’m not so torn when it comes to Watson. He does some things I love but sometimes he makes me question his decision making process. On balance though, I believe he gives the team a competitive chance against anyone.

You are spot on here. My thing is every quarterback makes me question some of their decision making. And then there are times I’m like wow what a throw or look at that creativity.
 

steelbtexan

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The Colts look as though they've gotten much better. Their LB'ers are as fast as advertised. The DB's looked good as well. I really didn't expect the Colts to turn it around this year b/c I had my doubts as to what Rivers would bring. Sadly, as good as the Colts are looking at the moment, I expect the playoff Rivers to show up and disappoint as usual.

So Tannehill is given a pass b/c his starting OT's are out and it's affecting his performance. As for Watson, he's been strappped with one of the worst OL's in the NFL while performing at the level he performs at and it's excuses when fans bring up the lack of the teams OL, running game, and offensive scheme.
Depends on if you think DW4's contributing to the OL issues.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Do you still think he's a good QB? Despite his stats in that game?



Going to be a heck of a game to win. We'll probably give up 40
Yes , I still think he's a good QB .... but you take away both starting OT's you expect the team to struggle - particularly against a very good defense.


As for Watson , he puts up statistics and he makes big plays .... but when that occurs matters - you are already down 2-3 scores , teams play the situation.
Sure this happens to every QB .... just more often with Watson. 1 opening drive TD in the past two seasons .... a high volume of 3 and outs. Big play or bust .... its HIS MO. Putting added pressure on the OL is in his own words his way of playing QB.

Yep , he's gonna make his share of big plays , yep he's gonna win some games but that philosophy isn't conducive to any consistency.

It's obvious the guy is physically gifted .... but to take the next step , he's got to make some changes and that's mostly in his philosophical approach to the position.
 
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