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IIRC Washington was offered a second round for TW before 2019 but refused, demanding a first.Wow sounds like an amazing deal for the 49ers so apparently O'Brien is not the only GM who gives away all-pro talent ?
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IIRC Washington was offered a second round for TW before 2019 but refused, demanding a first.Wow sounds like an amazing deal for the 49ers so apparently O'Brien is not the only GM who gives away all-pro talent ?
OK so I'm feeling better about this deal now but on the other hand unless David Johnson plays in the next couple years like Adrian Peterson did in his prime the Hopkins deal is still indefensible IMO.Yeah, effectively including last year, we got him for 5 years at about 17.5 million a year.
Wow sounds like an amazing deal for the 49ers so apparently O'Brien is not the only GM who gives away all-pro talent ?
He is now signed for 4 years: 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023
So this contract added 3 years
The problem is that many still don't understand the strategy of salary cap management and how rookie deals work. If they did, they'd realize that Miami fleeced the Texans like no other. Lol! They literally just got a good first round talent on a new rookie deal that they were currently paying Tunsil instead of having to extend him on the highest paid OT contract of all time.
Depending on how it's worded. I have seen the signing bonus paid up front and seen it spread out. I think based on the type of guy Watson seems to be it can probably be spread over a few years but I am fairly certain it will be garanteed.Isn't signing bonus always spread across the length of the contract?
OK so I'm feeling better about this deal now but on the other hand unless David Johnson plays in the next couple years like Adrian Peterson did in his prime the Hopkins deal is still indefensible IMO.
Wow sounds like an amazing deal for the 49ers so apparently O'Brien is not the only GM who gives away all-pro talent ?
The Washington Redskins are trading Williams to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a 2020 fifth-round pick and 2021 third-round selection.
Niners acquire Redskins tackle Trent Williams in trade
San Francisco has agreed to terms on a trade for Washington Redskins tackle Trent Williams, NFL Network reported Saturday. Washington will net a 2021 third-round pick and a 2020 fifth-round pick.www.nfl.com
I'm not an OB fan but the terms itself say one thing regarding the picks; their difference in age, injuries and long term availability say something else.And we gave up two 1st's and a 2nd for Tunsil? Lol....start taking notes BOB....
I'm not an OB fan but the terms itself say one thing regarding the picks; their difference in age, injuries and long term availability say something else.
Moving forward it will seem like this: You need a $200M QB, an $80M OT to protect him and a $135M DL to sack him...the salaries are insane.I get it, but two 1st's and a 2nd is a little much. It's not like we got a once in a lifetime player in return, we got a solid left tackle.
And we gave up two 1st's and a 2nd for Tunsil? Lol....start taking notes BOB....
I get it, but two 1st's and a 2nd is a little much. It's not like we got a once in a lifetime player in return, we got a solid left tackle.
We got a solid LT, a solid WR & a 4th round pick.
I hate BO'b, but while you have BO'b taking notes, Tunsil made the ProBowl with his play on the field helping his team to a division title & play off win.
There was no way we would have gotten Trent Williams last August for a 2020 5th & 2021 3rd.
I wonder what Watson is thinking
Williams was not & will not play for $13.6M, I thought he made that clear.Tunsil also led the NFL in penalties. No, but we could have had Williams for one 2nd round pick, which was what Washington originally wanted. And Williams average yearly salary is $13.6 mil/year.
Williams was not & will not play for $13.6M, I thought he made that clear.
Does not change the fact. He will not play for $13MMike Garafolo of NFL Network reports that the deal does not come with a contract extension for Williams. That will need to be handled down the road, should the 49ers choose to do so. Williams' contract runs through the 2020 season, which includes a base salary of $12.5 million. He is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next year.
49ers trade for veteran tackle Trent Williams
The San Francisco 49ers have executed a draft trade. The team has reportedly sent a fifth-round pick this year (No. 156 overall) and a third-round pick next year to the Washington Redskins in exchangewww.49erswebzone.com
Does not change the fact. He will not play for $13M
Also reason why he was got so cheap. He's made it clear he will not play for $13M. SF may have thrown away those picks unless they can reach a deal with Williams.
No one knows the future but you're saying he will play this season without a new contract?He will be playing for $13m this season. No one knows what happens in the future...
You do realize would have gave up the same picks (maybe minus the 2nd rounder) to move up to get a Tackle in this draft? You give your 1 in this draft and a #1 in the next draft. It is really not 2 - 1st rounders. It is 1 - 1st (next draft) with a pick swap in the 1st round.
Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports that the deal does not come with a contract extension for Williams. That will need to be handled down the road, should the 49ers choose to do so. Williams' contract runs through the 2020 season, which includes a base salary of $12.5 million. He is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next year.
49ers trade for veteran tackle Trent Williams
The San Francisco 49ers have executed a draft trade. The team has reportedly sent a fifth-round pick this year (No. 156 overall) and a third-round pick next year to the Washington Redskins in exchangewww.49erswebzone.com
No one knows the future but you're saying he will play this season without a new contract?
I'm telling you, he'll have a new deal before the season starts.
Another guy that simply doesn't understand salary cap management and thinks that OB is a good coach/GM.
All that move did was show how desperate he was to keep his job after the season would be completed so he threw all future moves to the wind to save himself. The cap will be more difficult and other positions will become huge holes as I've said before. You don't go 4 out of 5 years without a 1st rounder like the Texans have since acquiring Watson. God, that is just crazy. But hey so many of you Texan fans are so used to losing and mediocrity that half the fun it seems like for you guys is to spin stuff for the owners and HC.
Dolphins sitting pretty with another OT already.
Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports that the deal does not come with a contract extension for Williams. That will need to be handled down the road, should the 49ers choose to do so. Williams' contract runs through the 2020 season, which includes a base salary of $12.5 million. He is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next year.
49ers trade for veteran tackle Trent Williams
The San Francisco 49ers have executed a draft trade. The team has reportedly sent a fifth-round pick this year (No. 156 overall) and a third-round pick next year to the Washington Redskins in exchangewww.49erswebzone.com
“Trent has been out of football for a year and a half, and Trent made it clear to everyone he wants to come back and didn’t want to do a deal right away,” Shanahan said, via ESPN’s Nick Wagoner. “He wanted to play and try to get back into it and see where he was at with the rest of the league and pick up where he left off. That’s one of the reasons we were able to get him and get him for what we did. I think it really helped us in the situation we were in.”
Upon his arrival in the Bay Area, everyone was anxious to see if Williams was going to receive an extension. However, the veteran left tackle seems to be content with letting the 2020 season play out before that takes place.
After sitting out the 2019 season, Williams is betting on himself to perform well next season. Williams is entering the final year of his contract, carrying a cap hit of $12.5 million in 2020.
49ers news: Kyle Shanahan speaks out on Trent Williams' contract
This is interesting.clutchpoints.com
Texans could have likely had a similar season with or without Tunsil last year just like they did the season before, and they've a lot more picks and a lot more salary cap to use for a more balanced team, especially on defense.
“Trent has been out of football for a year and a half, and Trent made it clear to everyone he wants to come back and didn’t want to do a deal right away,” Shanahan said, via ESPN’s Nick Wagoner. “He wanted to play and try to get back into it and see where he was at with the rest of the league and pick up where he left off. That’s one of the reasons we were able to get him and get him for what we did. I think it really helped us in the situation we were in.”
Upon his arrival in the Bay Area, everyone was anxious to see if Williams was going to receive an extension. However, the veteran left tackle seems to be content with letting the 2020 season play out before that takes place.
After sitting out the 2019 season, Williams is betting on himself to perform well next season. Williams is entering the final year of his contract, carrying a cap hit of $12.5 million in 2020.
49ers news: Kyle Shanahan speaks out on Trent Williams' contract
This is interesting.clutchpoints.com
Funny thing is so many of the people that claim to hate OB continue to praise this move knowing they're lying to themselves.
It is just as likely that without Tunsil, Watson may nr 11-5ot have finished the season and depending on timing could have effected the 2020 season as well. One may never know. It was en expensive move, one that cost this team more than just money. But at the time, it was the right move. Could have been a perfect move if we signed the extension before finalizing the trade.....OB showed his desperation there.
I remember saying it’s too early to tell if the Tunsil/Stills/4th deal was worth it. I would need to see a contender in the AFCCG in 2020 or 2021.
Granted it’s not looking good after last year’s debacle, but it’s not over. BO’b will continue to make moves that will have repercussions. That will put this team in a bad spot.
But if we’re 5 minutes from winning the AFCCG game next year, then he got what he wanted. & we’ll see then if it was worth it.
The problem is that given these new contracts an injury to eithe Watson or Tunsil and you are totally sunk given how much is invested in them versus how much you can spread elsewhere.
But the "2019 season" was more important to you than getting rid of O'Brien and looking at the future.
I don’t believe a shitty 2019 would have ousted Bill O’Brien.
What if, what if, what if........ At the time it was the right move....
That's all that was used to justify this garbage ass trade. Nothing but "sky is falling" scenarios instead of the "actual facts" which was that Watson and the Texans just went 10-6 the season before and won their division and Watson "didn't get hurt." You don't mortgage that much of draft picks just for "one season" of protection when it can get handled the very next off season and you're now on the hook for a $22 Million dollar contract while your trading partner is now paying the same thing they were to your guy prior to making that trade.
You said "Texans could have likely had a similar season with or without Tunsil" which begins the (What if) debate. I am simply saying that we do not know what would have happened and just point out it is just as likely that Watson gets hurt as it is we have a similar season. What is done is done.
The problem is that given these new contracts an injury to eithe Watson or Tunsil and you are totally sunk given how much is invested in them versus how much you can spread elsewhere.
They had a "one game difference" in the season before when there was no Tunsil and a terrible offensive line. Yes, I have facts here to utilize my projection. You on the other hand have zilch to suggest that Watson definitely would have been injured. He played two seasons prior to last year without getting injured in any regular season games. He was injured in practice as a rookie.
Your spin for O'Brien here is lousy and full of what if scenarios to suggest that a huge dent in the salary cap and a lop sided compensation is more than justified when it is still hurting this franchise.
I never claimed the trade and contract isn't hurting the franchise (you are putting those words in my mouth), but I do believe it is justified. Watson needed better protection. Watson's value to this team alone justifies the Tunsil trade.
I couldn't give a rat's behind about O'Brien so you can get off that wagon. My dislike of O'Brien will not cast a shadow on what I believe was a necessary evil (Tunsil Trade) to keep the most important player on this team in one piece.
Again, without making the trade.....who would you have taken in the 2020 draft of Tunsil's ability.....what would it have cost us to get him?
Most teams with franchise players suffer with how much a handful of their players make. Unless you have a Tom Brady who is both good and willing to play cheaply, it is just a fact that NFL teams deal with.
Again, your only argument for this is that "Watson would have retired" which is pretty much the dumbest reasoning anyone can come up with, since that almost NEVER HAPPENS that early in someone's career. The Andrew Luck thing was completely out of the norm and a total exception. There was nothing common about that what so ever. And so what if Watson got hurt? Is that a reason to mortgage off tons of draft picks for several years? Unless you believe that year is your one chance to win a SB, then you don't trade away your future like that. We have the benefit of hind sight now, and we can easily see that there are plenty of options that could have been had this off season to fulfill the tackle position. Your argument now is that going 11-5 and having a huge blowout loss in the playoffs was worth that. You haven't made one logical argument yet especially since we see now that Miami got themselves a very good OT for the future in the first round AGAIN and Trent Williams went for a 3rd rounder. But hey that playoff game against KC was great wasn't it? Totally worth it.
How ridiculous is it to suggest that "we had to make him a franchise player?"
We had another draft this season to get an OT. By making that move we became forced to deal with OB for at least another two years, so you can't make the argument that you aren't for OB. Anyone using common sense knew that O'Brien would likely still be our HC for at least two years after he mortgaged that much of the team's future draft picks also making it a much less attractive job to future HC candidates if the HC position did become available.
All these alleged people that don't like O'Brien for some reason still want him to make moves that will keep him as our HC. Sure are confused.
As with any contract you pay for what you hope player becomes not only what he is when he signs a dotted line.I get it, but two 1st's and a 2nd is a little much. It's not like we got a once in a lifetime player in return, we got a solid left tackle.
As with any contract you pay for what you hope player becomes not only what he is when he signs a dotted line.
“Trent has been out of football for a year and a half, and Trent made it clear to everyone he wants to come back and didn’t want to do a deal right away,” Shanahan said, via ESPN’s Nick Wagoner. “He wanted to play and try to get back into it and see where he was at with the rest of the league and pick up where he left off. That’s one of the reasons we were able to get him and get him for what we did. I think it really helped us in the situation we were in.”
Upon his arrival in the Bay Area, everyone was anxious to see if Williams was going to receive an extension. However, the veteran left tackle seems to be content with letting the 2020 season play out before that takes place.
After sitting out the 2019 season, Williams is betting on himself to perform well next season. Williams is entering the final year of his contract, carrying a cap hit of $12.5 million in 2020.
49ers news: Kyle Shanahan speaks out on Trent Williams' contract
This is interesting.clutchpoints.com
Well this is new information. You win this round.
Because regardless of what you or I think someone else will often pay more for what future may hold. 2011 CBA was a change in limiting 32 first round players income as many were paid crazy $ without stepping on an NFL field. That is also why there is a salary cap.Then why do rookies sign for so much less than veterans? Shouldn't a contract be based on current performance? I can't understand paying a player based on what an organization thinks they may become.