He’s probably considering asking O’Brien for a “raise”.
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Watson & Tunsil Contracts
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He’s probably considering asking O’Brien for a “raise”.
I generally refrain from bashing GMs because some have a way of making you look stupid as hell sometimes. And I’m a fan of another team (Ravens), so I don’t want to be perceived as grinding salt in the wound. But DAMN, It seems like BoB just makes himself look stupid as hell. It’s not just the 22 million AAV, but what he ACTUALLY “accomplished”
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but he is making 10.3 million this year, 17 million next year, so basically all BoB did was add an extra year for 37.7 million? To what end ? All he did was pay him almost 40 million for one additional year.
That seems beyond insane to me. Not just bad management, but literal stupidity. I know we say that as hyperbole because in reality most GMs have forgotten more about the business than us, but this. This is something different.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but he is making 10.3 million this year, 17 million next year, so basically all BoB did was add an extra year for 37.7 million? To what end ? All he did was pay him almost 40 million for one additional year.
That seems beyond insane to me. Not just bad management, but literal stupidity. I know we say that as hyperbole because in reality most GMs have forgotten more about the business than us, but this. This is something different.
Tunsil's false starts were a fluke, mainly due to not being in camp with the Texans. Thinking about too much, not knowing the playbook. Tunsil had 13 total false stats in his previous 3 seasons in Miami. While having a very low total of holding calls (8 in four seasons).
As far as the contract, it's hardly outrageous. DeForest Buckner just signed an extension with the Colts for $21 million/year. A very good interior rusher. But, he's not a LT. A more premium position. OTs have been horribly underpaid until recently. I remember having this same conversation when Nate Solder and Trent Brown signed their contracts. Yes they were record contracts. But next year, someone else will have a record contract. And that was the case. So it will be next year, when someone surpasses Tunsil. The nature of the beast.
As far as the contract, it's hardly outrageous. DeForest Buckner just signed an extension with the Colts for $21 million/year. A very good interior rusher. But, he's not a LT. A more premium position. OTs have been horribly underpaid until recently. I remember having this same conversation when Nate Solder and Trent Brown signed their contracts. Yes they were record contracts. But next year, someone else will have a record contract. And that was the case. So it will be next year, when someone surpasses Tunsil. The nature of the beast.
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I think his original deal ended after this year. So O'Brien added 2 years
Killer Bee
Waterboy
Anybody else find it odd that the deal was announced hours before the Texans first pick in the draft? Seems to me O'Brien wants to bury the lead in tomorrow's papers.
Tunsil is signed through the 2023 season. 3 year extension after this season.
I think it was to remind the fans why the team didn't have a 1st round pick.
I though you guys had his 5th year option too. Is that not correct?
so if you have that and can tag him, you come out with the win right?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
And a 2nd rounder this year and another one first next year.
So its 4 first rounders and 2 2nd rounders.
I wish I could see the faces of all the people that tried to argue for this trade for months? They're feeling the sting badly right now.
Your math baffles me
2020 is his fifth year
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
The numbers are starting to come out, it doesn't look as bad as it sounds when you factor in that its an extension. Plus we still don't see if some of those years are guaranteed for injury only. I just wish it could have been longer than a 3 year extension.
Yes, so two more seasons, assuming you tag him, which would make sense considering it’s cheaper than you’re willing to pay. Or at least I thought so. Anywho it is insane.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I will await clarification on exact contract years. IF as I understand this deal is an extension to 2020, Tunsil will play at $10.35 which is way under value for LT. (see all posts about Hopkins). If we are willing to increase Hop we should be okay with Tunsil and Im not comparing stats or careers just positions.
10 +66 divided by four playing years is $19 million annual avg and falls right into place. Also if an extension it does not impact cap for 2020 which is what I have lobbied for.
10 +66 divided by four playing years is $19 million annual avg and falls right into place. Also if an extension it does not impact cap for 2020 which is what I have lobbied for.
Ahhh touche sir. I was wrong, thanks for getting me right.
badboy
Hall of Fame
those cheap bastids!
texan279
Hall of Fame
The Texans have engaged in "very preliminary" discussions with Watson about a potential contract extension. With Tunsil's contract complete, securing Watson for the future is the next priority -- and the team is hoping to reach an agreement before the start of the 2020 season.
Texans have engaged in 'very preliminary' discussions on contract extension with Deshaun Watson, per report
Locking up Watson is next on the Texans' 'to-do list'
www.cbssports.com
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Is this why our salary cap guy was fired? So OB could do this
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
There was talk that Tunsil may not give 100% effort after landing his first BIG payday. I think it is highly possible that OB signed him to a 3 year dear to assure that Tunsil gives us his all. A 3 year contract makes Tunsil the current highest paid LT, and the ability to become the highest paid LT again after his extension is up. That is a LOT of motivation to hopefully get a LOT of production.
texan279
Hall of Fame
You don't make a guy the highest paid tackle in the league on a "prove it" deal. The guy is now set for life. Nothing is stopping him from getting lazy and taking plays off. Or, it could go the other way like you said.
FYI my face is the same as it was yesterday & the same as it was the day before. Only news here, is that it's done. Never a doubt in my mind that it was going to get done & going to be ridiculous.
BO'b did not disappoint me.
You can look at it as a 4 year deal with the guaranteed money done in 3. He's getting a big chunk of change this year, it will change his cap number this year.
Then there's three years left on the deal. That last year is not guaranteed. From what I've gathered so far.
I'm not particularly against the signing, especially considering how much leverage Tunsil had. The Texans probably lucked out with Tunsil representing himself instead of having an agent. Tunsil definitely benefited from not having to pay an agent. Maybe a win-win for both parties.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Most guys who get 5 year deals don’t even see those last 2 years b/c most times there’s little or no guaranteed money left in them...they either get torn up or redone after 3 years...Nuk was trying to get his redone/extended after what 2 years?.. the fact that folks in here are bitching about 2 extra years that Tunsil may not have even seen just shows that it wouldn’t have even mattered if indeed it was a 5 year deal. Folks just looking for something to ***** about.
Let's go Texans
Practice Squad
I like the Tunsil deal. It's about what I figured in guaranteed money and having a premium blindside protector is a huge plus. He doesnt give up many sacks and the false starts should be an aberration. Get Watson done now and this teams future isnt as bad as some here think. Losing DHop is definitely gonna sting, but this offense should be tough to stop.
badboy
Hall of Fame
nothing indicates his 2020 $10.35 cap was increased. How signing bonus is spread not known so far.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I was assuming the $13m is paid out in 2020, so spread across the 4 years, at least I thought that was how it worked and you could not really change that right? So hit just under $14m in 2020 now? Just looked at OTC, and indeed, $13.6m in 2020 now, $19.9m in 2021, $21m in 2022. Many of us said this would be $20m/year, largely that is it and we have him for 4 years. He needs to raise his game, and the chemistry on that side should be solid and improved
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Source: Texans begin extension talks with Watson
The Texans have opened preliminary extension talks with quarterback Deshaun Watson, who is eligible for a new contract for the first time this offseason.
www.espn.com
Extension talks have started
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Hell, I'll just shite can my agents and negotiate with the "Brilliant One". He'll just settle on a 100M dollar 2 Year deal with 75M up front and 100% guaranteed. OB is going to piss off a lot of NFL GM's and agency's with this Tunsil deal. He just went spending with a 2021 taste on a 2020 budget.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The more I read everyone's responses the more I remembered how I felt about professional contracts. I've always stated that contracts should be shorter and be guaranteed. Teams can get out sooner if the player regresses or gets injured and the players benefits b/c if his play improves he has an opportunity for another raise far sooner than later. I've never been a fan of these inflated contracts with the dollar signs.......reminds me of the official Saddam Hussein currency I sent my brother when we were stationed in Bahrain.......actual 10,000 Saddam Dinar Bill for $7.
Isn't signing bonus always spread across the length of the contract?
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Typically I would agree. However in hindsight, we made Hopkins the highest paid receiver once. With three years left on his contract, he wanted more money. OB admits that he outplayed his contract.
We now give Tunsil 3 years to "outplay" his contract. We get what we want which would be 100% effort, and Tunsil gets what he wants with a great contract making him the highest paid LT now and an opportunity for an even bigger contract again making him the highest paid LT later.
I could be way off, but this is just how my brain is wired.
OK so 2020 will remain the optional fifth year extension of his rookie deal while the new contract is for 2021,2022, and 2023 right ?
If we've got him under contract for the next 4 seasons then I'm OK with the deal and actually relieved that the annual compensation wasn't greater than it is.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes but my original comment was a SB can also begin on first year of an extension which would be 2021. Tunsil's deal does not appear to be a reworked contract. After I posted it became known that the SB had begun 2020.
badboy
Hall of Fame
$19 m annual avg puts him just above the $18.5 of next OT. The contract appears to be a really good deal for both sides; unless someone just wants to gripe, chew terbacky chew terbacky, spit.
The Washington Redskins are trading Williams to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a 2020 fifth-round pick and 2021 third-round selection.
www.nfl.com
Niners acquire Redskins tackle Trent Williams in trade
San Francisco has agreed to terms on a trade for Washington Redskins tackle Trent Williams, NFL Network reported Saturday. Washington will net a 2021 third-round pick and a 2020 fifth-round pick.
www.nfl.com
Yeah, effectively including last year, we got him for 5 years at about 17.5 million a year.
Wow sounds like an amazing deal for the 49ers so apparently O'Brien is not the only GM who gives away all-pro talent ?The Washington Redskins are trading Williams to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a 2020 fifth-round pick and 2021 third-round selection.
Niners acquire Redskins tackle Trent Williams in trade
San Francisco has agreed to terms on a trade for Washington Redskins tackle Trent Williams, NFL Network reported Saturday. Washington will net a 2021 third-round pick and a 2020 fifth-round pick.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I'd have made that trade as reportedly Trent Williams playing for same 2020 aamount.The Washington Redskins are trading Williams to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a 2020 fifth-round pick and 2021 third-round selection.
Niners acquire Redskins tackle Trent Williams in trade
San Francisco has agreed to terms on a trade for Washington Redskins tackle Trent Williams, NFL Network reported Saturday. Washington will net a 2021 third-round pick and a 2020 fifth-round pick.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The Washington Redskins are trading Williams to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for a 2020 fifth-round pick and 2021 third-round selection.
Niners acquire Redskins tackle Trent Williams in trade
San Francisco has agreed to terms on a trade for Washington Redskins tackle Trent Williams, NFL Network reported Saturday. Washington will net a 2021 third-round pick and a 2020 fifth-round pick.
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