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TheKDog said:
So basically it's not the Patriots ep system at all
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The Pats EP system isn't the "Pats" EP system. Its the Tom Brady system, and when he was out the Jimmy G system and if needed right now even the Hoyer system. The basic system might be the same but BB customizes it to fit not only the QB but the team playing around the QB. Right now Pats actually have a really good defense and Brady is looking a little old on the field so they are falling back on their defense more than they have in the last few years. Team and situation changed so BB changed the system to match it. Other than the second half of the Chargers game the system Watson is playing now is basically the system Osweiler played which was the system Hoyer played. I think its why BoB has a history of liking big arm pocket passers because that's what the system was first designed for.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I thought that too for a while, but think about it. New coach, new system. For grins and giggles say we get Eric Bienemy as coach. Well thats a completely different offense. At the very least a one year curve. Best case year two you have it down well enough to compete. Is RAC still around? Whats the defense look like? Now you can include the background noise of contracts. Who is the GM at this point? Some roster deficiencies caused by overpaying trades will cause some draft turmoil for a few years (yes SteelB I know I know - we have x amount of 3rd rounders and X amount of 4th rounders and a 2nd rounder - point remains especially when you look at hit rate % for each individual draft slot - I digress)

So it depends. This team could turn things around super quick but it would be with a guy that many (even myself to a certain degree) would not like. That is Josh McDaniels. Chill Chill dont meme me to death yet listen. The skeleton for the EP is here, everything necessary to run it - McDaniels could then implement winning concepts and offensive discipline and hit the ground running. Scheme is what creates a quick turnaround commensurate to talent level IMO. Im ready to move on from the whole debacle of Broncos SOUTH AND Patriots SOUTH - and create our own identity, but damn man we're 17 years in. NOt even one AFC CG. Sucks to be trapped in limbo.
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Seems to me you went paralysis by analysis. We're going nowhere ... and you're afraid of making it worse. Not only are you so afraid of making it worse, you just endorsed another (already failed) coach from the Belichick tree. Who comes with? That comes with the new HC and/or GM. One of the biggest fails with O'Brien (aside from being a low branch on Belichick's failed tree) is as I said at the time he was hired, he has nobody to come with him, because was/is a nobody - dumb luck and a good reference landed Romeo (who he fired/promoted for Vrabel to a near record breakingly bad defense), without whom we'd have spent the past 5 years with 10 wins ... total. So, hire a somebody. I made plenty of suggestions. Reid was available same time that O'Brien was if I remember correctly. Shanahan was obvious. Pretty sure I requested Pederson. Fire O'Brien now, give Romeo the interim job and start the search. Hire somebody who can assemble a respectable staff on at least one side, and he or our new GM pair it up with a counterpart. It's not rocket science, it happens every year and results happen fast.

And please stop with EP. It's a damn system, not a football charter. We have the skeleton for EP, WC, R&S, Spread, Zone, Wildcat, Sandlot and whatever I just farted. If our offensive line was 260lbs and 30 years ago, you might have something ... they're not, it's not, and players can adapt to blocking and catching the ball. COACHING!
 
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Scooter said:
Seems to me you went paralysis by analysis. We're going nowhere ... and you're afraid of making it worse. Not only are you so afraid of making it worse, you just endorsed another (already failed) coach from the Belichick tree. Who comes with? That comes with the new HC and/or GM. One of the biggest fails with O'Brien (aside from being a low branch on Belichick's failed tree) is as I said at the time he was hired, he has nobody to come with him, because was/is a nobody - dumb luck and a good reference landed Romeo, without whom we'd have spent the past 5 years with 10 wins ... total. So, hire a somebody. I made plenty of suggestions. Reid was available same time that O'Brien was if I remember correctly. Shanahan was obvious. Pretty sure I requested Pederson. Fire O'Brien now, give Romeo the interim job and start the search. Hire somebody who can assemble a respectable staff on at least one side, and he or our new GM pair it up with a counterpart. It's not rocket science, it happens every year and results happen fast.

And please stop with EP. It's a damn system, not a football charter. We have the skeleton for EP, WC, R&S, Spread, Zone, Wildcat, Sandlot and whatever I just farted. If our offensive line was 260lbs and 30 years ago, you might have something ... they're not, it's not, and players can adapt to blocking and catching the ball.
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Relax tiger .. next cup needs to be decaf! Trust me Im not advocating for a continual Patriot recycle, it just makes the most sense to me. Sure like I said you can do a revamp, but it wont be a quick turnaround.

I agree to a certain degree about the nomenclature of offensive football philosophies and how interconnected they really are, but below that there are plenty of things to differentiate mainly about the running game personnel.

Your gripe seems to be directed to the very top of the organization really, and with that nobody can really help. If the owner cant identify a good head coach then this team will forever be stuck in a revolving door. Maybe we should hire Dan Reeves again to consult us on how to find good football men? Maybe Buttchin figures it out?
 
Corrosion said:
I could see a scenario where OB doesn't want to extend Watson at a huge sum either …. and OB could might be right.

A broken clock is right twice a day ….

Thing is , in year three we really don't know what kinda QB Watson is because the OL and the offensive scheme / playcalling have been poor for so long , its really hard to evaluate the QB under those circumstances.

We really don't know what we have …. "behind" the center.
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But we definitely know WTF we have as poor excuse for a HC/OC. BOB is definitely not helping a damn thing. Get rid of him. Or Cal just let him sit in your box on game day. I really do not hate BOB as a person only as HC/OC for the Texans, sure he sounds like a great guy even though he is an ass in after game pressers.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Funny you mention that Corrosion b/c in year 6 we have no idea what kind of HC/OC/GM OB is or could be. One thing is for certain......no way I get behind OB letting Watson walk and him getting yet another QB to coach-down.
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Glad to know you're on board with a QB that struggles to read the blitz/find open windows and has accuracy issues. If it was me I would wait 2 more yrs to see if Watson can improve in these areas before I gave him 35 mil.

Regardless if BOB is the HC or not.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Relax tiger .. next cup needs to be decaf! Trust me Im not advocating for a continual Patriot recycle, it just makes the most sense to me. Sure like I said you can do a revamp, but it wont be a quick turnaround.

I agree to a certain degree about the nomenclature of offensive football philosophies and how interconnected they really are, but below that there are plenty of things to differentiate mainly about the running game personnel.

Your gripe seems to be directed to the very top of the organization really, and with that nobody can really help. If the owner cant identify a good head coach then this team will forever be stuck in a revolving door. Maybe we should hire Dan Reeves again to consult us on how to find good football men? Maybe Buttchin figures it out?
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When you say good football men

Are you talking about .500 Kubiak

Or .500 BOB?
 
Uncle Rico said:
I thought that too for a while, but think about it. New coach, new system. For grins and giggles say we get Eric Bienemy as coach. Well thats a completely different offense. At the very least a one year curve. Best case year two you have it down well enough to compete. Is RAC still around? Whats the defense look like? Now you can include the background noise of contracts. Who is the GM at this point? Some roster deficiencies caused by overpaying trades will cause some draft turmoil for a few years (yes SteelB I know I know - we have x amount of 3rd rounders and X amount of 4th rounders and a 2nd rounder - point remains especially when you look at hit rate % for each individual draft slot - I digress)

So it depends. This team could turn things around super quick but it would be with a guy that many (even myself to a certain degree) would not like. That is Josh McDaniels. Chill Chill dont meme me to death yet listen. The skeleton for the EP is here, everything necessary to run it - McDaniels could then implement winning concepts and offensive discipline and hit the ground running. Scheme is what creates a quick turnaround commensurate to talent level IMO. Im ready to move on from the whole debacle of Broncos SOUTH AND Patriots SOUTH - and create our own identity, but damn man we're 17 years in. NOt even one AFC CG. Sucks to be trapped in limbo.
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My point is unless Watson improves on his weaknesses and most importantly becomes more consistent from game to game it doesn't really matter who the HC is?
 
Uncle Rico said:
Relax tiger .. next cup needs to be decaf! Trust me Im not advocating for a continual Patriot recycle, it just makes the most sense to me. Sure like I said you can do a revamp, but it wont be a quick turnaround.

I agree to a certain degree about the nomenclature of offensive football philosophies and how interconnected they really are, but below that there are plenty of things to differentiate mainly about the running game personnel.

Your gripe seems to be directed to the very top of the organization really, and with that nobody can really help. If the owner cant identify a good head coach then this team will forever be stuck in a revolving door. Maybe we should hire Dan Reeves again to consult us on how to find good football men? Maybe Buttchin figures it out?
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Didn't think I was being aggressive, if so, my apologies - about to though. "Not advocating a Patriots recycle but it makes sense". Name one ... one ... ONE ... instance that a Patriots' coach has had success at HC ... and then repeat the words "makes sense to me". I'll wait. Belichick has been there for 20 years so you have plenty of opportunities. Still making sense? My gripe is that I am a fan of a team with great players who are being Fourletterworded by an epic level of incompetence because Kraft is doing his part to keep as many teams as he can in suicide mode. We're not only in year 6, we even spawned a pathetic divisional opponent.
 
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steelbtexan said:
When you say good football men

Are you talking about .500 Kubiak

Or .500 BOB?
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Couldn't help but look could you, and of course put in a nonsense jab (get kinda angry when I point out that you're one of only two O'Brien lovers left though ... your post count is getting impressive).
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Guy ruins franchise QB.

Guy thinks franchise QB isn't worth keeping.


I could see it happening. God that would be the final straw. As it stands it'd be a miracle if I even last that long as a fan of this team if that guy is still around.
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If they get rid of both BOBand Watson after a couple of more yrs of non improvement will you still be a Texans fan?

Have you really ever been a Texan fan or are you just a drive by Pats hater type fan. I get that you hate peoplw who put winning 1st and foremost.
 
Corrosion said:
That's not true at all , he's assistant head coach and offensive advisor for the Vikings.
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Do you think Cousins will ever adjust to Kubiak's system? How long does this take?

I drafted Cousins in my FF league expecting him to be 2009-2010 Schaub. Screwed the pooch on that one.
 
Corrosion said:
I could see a scenario where OB doesn't want to extend Watson at a huge sum either …. and OB could might be right.

A broken clock is right twice a day ….

Thing is , in year three we really don't know what kinda QB Watson is because the OL and the offensive scheme / playcalling have been poor for so long , its really hard to evaluate the QB under those circumstances.

We really don't know what we have …. "behind" the center.
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It's not just BOB

Watson has issues in the feel dept (Windows/Ball placement/Accuracy.
 
No Bob McNair, No Rick Smith, mortgaged our future on an offensive line being continually shuffled, a line of quarterbacks with ties to and styles fitting. Amazing quarterback ... isn't smart enough to handle O'Brien's genius. I guess there is no winning with some people ... literally. And I get yelled at as not being a fan for continually pointing the finger at one person.
 
Scooter said:
Didn't think I was being aggressive, if so, my apologies - about to though. "Not advocating a Patriots recycle but it makes sense". Name one ... one ... ONE ... instance that a Patriots' coach has had success at HC ... and then repeat the words "makes sense to me". I'll wait. Belichick has been there for 20 years so you have plenty of opportunities. Still making sense? My gripe is that I am a fan of a team with great players who are being Fourletterworded by an epic level of incompetence because Kraft is doing his part to keep as many teams as he can in suicide mode. We're not only in year 6, we even spawned a pathetic divisional opponent.
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I cant really argue with you regarding black and white success stories coming from the Belichek tree. I can only go with what I see in regards to offensive philosophy and implementation. NE is not just Brady as the 2008 season is plenty of evidence of McDaniels ability and the Jimmy G period. Its a true system. Its why they can continue to shuffle players in and out and they continue to win.

He could come down here and not have to clean up shop. Might retain RAC. Bring Caserio. Pretty much everything the same, minus Bill OBriens coaching goofs and offensive handicap.

AGain, yes you can clean house, but using PHI and LAR as examples of how it can be done isnt quite as easy, especially now that we've sacrificed the defensive identity of the team for a more offensive type - those 2 teams used the defense as springboards for their young QBs and the offense to settle in.

Im with you Scoot. Im at the end of the rope too, and Im not paralyzed by over-analysis trust me I break it down, but there has to be a level of reality involved as well and if you think about the warm fuzzies NE seems to give the McNair family it just seems to "make sense" to me - but ownership ideals are out of the spectrum for me.

All may be moot anyway since It would appear to some that McDaniels already has an under the table agreement to take over as HC as soon as Belichek is done and some even say that Brady and Belichek may walk off into the sunset together. Who knows.
 
It’s Bobs style on and off the field that perturbs me. Don’t find him intelligent, or a genius @ anything other than befuddling ownership into giving him keys to the Rolls Royce.

Game planning never adjusts to circumstances to keep defenses off QB. Clock management is just focused on shortening games not winning scenarios and taking advantage of opportunities. His responses are short, rhetorical comebacks without endearing anyone to his style or demeanor.

Results middle of the road. Free agents to be leave more often than stay. Draft picks/slots are diminished by under valuing worth, near term intermediate or long range. Never mind skill sets are a miss half the time and not plug and play. They first have to survive his boot camp, then master his all so complicated intricacies.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I cant really argue with you regarding black and white success stories coming from the Belichek tree. I can only go with what I see
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Again, full contradiction. Black and white. What do you see that isn't black and white ... a failed Belichick coach that did his best to destroy a franchise, who the Patriots did just fine without, and is now great again because he's with Belichick again. What do you see that isn't black and white?

Wait, roulette ... just like owners betting on bad advice, you think that THIS is the time that we'll land on red 22 and win it all. So many years of bad coaches, you're betting that this particular bad coach will have his number rolled (the guy who went full Jerry Jones for Tebow). Yeah, no.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I cant really argue with you regarding black and white success stories coming from the Belichek tree. I can only go with what I see in regards to offensive philosophy and implementation. NE is not just Brady as the 2008 season is plenty of evidence of McDaniels ability and the Jimmy G period. Its a true system. Its why they can continue to shuffle players in and out and they continue to win.

He could come down here and not have to clean up shop. Might retain RAC. Bring Caserio. Pretty much everything the same, minus Bill OBriens coaching goofs and offensive handicap.

AGain, yes you can clean house, but using PHI and LAR as examples of how it can be done isnt quite as easy, especially now that we've sacrificed the defensive identity of the team for a more offensive type - those 2 teams used the defense as springboards for their young QBs and the offense to settle in.

Im with you Scoot. Im at the end of the rope too, and Im not paralyzed by over-analysis trust me I break it down, but there has to be a level of reality involved as well and if you think about the warm fuzzies NE seems to give the McNair family it just seems to "make sense" to me - but ownership ideals are out of the spectrum for me.

All may be moot anyway since It would appear to some that McDaniels already has an under the table agreement to take over as HC as soon as Belichek is done and some even say that Brady and Belichek may walk off into the sunset together. Who knows.
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Sacrificed their defensive identity?

You realize they're better so far defensively than they were last yr and are only a missed sack and a 58 yd FG away from being 4-0? The defense is fine.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sacrificed their defensive identity?

You realize they're better so far defensively than they were last yr and are only a missed sack and a 58 yd FG away from being 4-0? The defense is fine.
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The defense is above average. Not as good as it was before with clowney. Unfortunately OBrien is hoarding picks and money for the offense
 
Uncle Rico said:
Again, yes you can clean house, but using PHI and LAR as examples of how it can be done isnt quite as easy, especially now that we've sacrificed the defensive identity of the team for a more offensive type - those 2 teams used the defense as springboards for their young QBs and the offense to settle in.
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Wait, what? Our entire identity is Watson, Hopkins and the defense. Our idiot coach throwing what's left of our future at a couple offensive linemen doesn't change what we are. Increasingly similar to the purge on offense, we're still surviving on Smith/Wade's elites and Romeo's Monday-Saturday teaching ability (sadly not a Sunday specialist).
 
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Scooter said:
Again, full contradiction. Black and white. What do you see that isn't black and white ... a failed Belichick coach that did his best to destroy a franchise, who the Patriots did just fine without, and is now great again because he's with Belichick again. What do you see that isn't black and white?

Wait, roulette ... just like owners betting on bad advice, you think that THIS is the time that we'll land on red 22 and win it all. So many years of bad coaches, you're betting that this particular bad coach will have his number rolled (the guy who went full Jerry Jones for Tebow). Yeah, no.
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Does Bill Belichek control the offense for the New England Patriots?
 
Scooter said:
Wait, what? Our entire identity is Watson, Hopkins and the defense. Our idiot coach throwing what's left of our future at a couple offensive linemen doesn't change what we are. Increasingly similar to the purge on offense, we're still surviving on Smith/Wade's elites and Romeo's Monday-Saturday teaching ability (sadly not a Sunday specialist).
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Bro our defense sucks, and will only continue to deteriorate. We all need to be realistic. Watt is on his last legs. We dont have a worthwhile CB on the entire roster, our 'diamond in the rough' in Justin Reid is already dealing with a problematic shoulder that will probably continue to get worse (cue @CloakNNNdagger on this one) sorry defense is no longer our identity.

I agree that Watson is the face of the franchise and he has a stellar all pro running mate in Hopkins, but O'Brien has gone all in on the offensive side sacrificing the defense to the wolves. Its really only because of RAC that they can still play 'bend but dont break' defense you are correct, because as much as his scheme gets sht on, its sound. He's not going to put his below average DBs on the line in man coverage to get burned. He will play off ball and try to keep everything in front and hoping the offense will be able to score points.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Sacrificed their defensive identity?

You realize they're better so far defensively than they were last yr and are only a missed sack and a 58 yd FG away from being 4-0? The defense is fine.
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im no fan of
RACs but he has done a good job this year so far other than the bad play calling at the end of the Jacksonville game.
 
Scooter said:
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LOL so Bill Belichek is calling plays. He may be filling out the roster FOR McDaniels and telling him WHAT he has to work with, but Belichek is a defensive coach. You know this. I understand your aggravation. Lets be sensible. Charlie Weis installed that offense in the early 2000s and McDaniels has been running it since his departure. Check this out from when OBrien was still there:

https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/ne...709586/belichick-offers-glimpse-into-his-role

Quarterback Tom Brady, offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien, and coach Bill Belichick.FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Patriots coach Bill Belichick offered a glimpse into his role as head coach of the Patriots during Wednesday's press conference, talking at length about how he divides his time and how play-calling is handled among his assistants.

"I know titles are a big important thing externally, but whether you’re President of the United States or graduate assistant, whatever your job is, you do it and then there are people that you work with that do that job," Belichick said when asked if offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien had assumed more of the offensive play-calling duties since being officially elevated to the title of offensive coordinator this season.

"Call [O'Brien] whatever you want to call him, it doesn’t matter. Whoever is calling plays, if the head coach is involved with the play-calling or the organization of the play-calling, then I’m going to talk to the person that calls the plays. If I’m not, then he calls them and you know, there’s no input from the head coach, that’s alright, too. I’m not saying it has to be one way or the other, but however you’re structured to set it up, that’s how it's set up. But the way it’s structured here is, I’ll take responsibility for all the plays that are called. I have the final say on it. If I don’t want to run the play, then I can call it off – that’s my right as a head coach. Any of the bad ones, you can blame me for because ultimately I could change them if I wanted to."

The coaching chatter spawned from Belichick being asked if he becomes more involved with a specific position when there's numerous new faces added to that group.

"What I try to do as a head coach, and it’s one of the advantages, honestly, of being a head coach, is that you can go where you want to go," said Belichick. "If you want to work with this group, you can work with this group; if you want to work with that group, you can work with that group. So that’s kind of nice. But no, the assistant coaches do the coaching, but if there’s anything that I want to try to convey to a particular player or to a particular group, then it doesn’t make a difference whether it’s new guys, old guys, whoever they are. I have no problem going into that meeting room, calling him into my office, talking to [him], sitting down with him and trying to tell them, ‘Look, this is what I think is important this week or this is what I think you need to do better or this is what we’re looking for from you or this is something that’s going to change and here’s what’s going to happen.’

"I try to do that on, I would say weekly but really it’s more of a daily basis. It could be with young players, it could be with veteran players, it could be with anybody. It’s wherever I feel like I want to put that emphasis. It’s not always in the same groups; it’s not always with the same people."

Asked if a hands-on role permeates over to gameday, Belichick offered a glimpse into how play-calling works for New England.

"During a game, I talk to all the play callers, to [special teams coach] Scott [O’Brien] to [offensive coordinator] Billy [O’Brien] to [safeties coach] Matt [Patricia]," said Belichick. "First of all, we go into the game with a plan of how we want to try to start things -- believe it or not. I know everybody doesn’t think that’s the way it is, but we actually talk about, ‘This is how we want to start the game and these are the calls that we would make in this situation, second-and-long, third-and-short, third-and-medium, red area, goal line,’ and then, after the game starts to unfold, then you kind of say ‘OK, well we want to sort of stay with the way we mapped this out, or they’re doing this and these don’t look as good, these look better or maybe we have to make an adjustment and say, ‘Well we can run these plays but if this happens we have to do something else,’ that type of thing. We talk about that over the course of the game."

One question Belichick didn't have an answer for: How many times per game he uses his ultimate authority to overrule a coordinator's call. Pressed on the issue, he quipped: "I don’t know. I’ll log them for you over the next couple of weeks and we’ll see how that goes."
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As he states all coaches ULTIMATELY have the final say so, and he's smart enough to understand offensive football, but he's not calling the offensive plays, hell there was a big hub bub about him calling defensive plays again.
 
Quite a tirade that missed what you asked, try again.

And really, a blog from 2011 is somehow relevant to Bill O'Brien being a isht coach for the past 6 years? Wait, was that the time frame that O'Brien was basically the only Patriots coach to NOT win a Superbowl?
 
LOL @ "the defense is fine"

wow some of you guys are really confused. Game days RAC gets crucified around here. Now he's a strength? its just funny to me. I agree he's probably the best coach we have on the staff, but cmon now. Giving up the NO game was bad. JAX was another lucky win, if Minshew is allowed to make a play we lose. We can make fantasy scenario's all day. Lets stay grounded and devoid of speculation. The defense on the strength of scheme is middle of the pack right now. If they had some quality players on that side of the ball sure it could probably catapult them higher, but currently they stand at 17th overall defense, 16th vs the run and 21st vs the pass and the teeth of the schedule still to hit.

We should be concerned because the defense has historically been near the top 10 in most categories and the identity was that you could not run on the ball on the HOuston Texans. Thats not the case anymore.
 
TheKDog said:
The defense is above average. Not as good as it was before with clowney. Unfortunately OBrien is hoarding picks and money for the offense
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The defense has given up 28 pts in 2 games at home

And played well (Should've been 2 road wins) on the road.

Most teams (Not the Texans) Score more at home than on the road.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you think Cousins will ever adjust to Kubiak's system? How long does this take?

I drafted Cousins in my FF league expecting him to be 2009-2010 Schaub. Screwed the pooch on that one.
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I never really thought he was a good QB to begin with - I thought the Redskins would be nuts to give him a long term deal for big money - obviously they agreed and let him get out the door.


Thing is , Minny didn't have much at QB going from Teddy Bridgewater to Sam Bradford , Shaun Hill and Case Keenum and finally Cousins - all pretty much just a guy's under center. I don't expect anything more from Cousins than they got from Keenum. (kinda funny how they swapped teams).


Honestly it doesn't take long to pick up Gary's offense from a QB perspective because the concepts are very easy to comprehend .… The reads are natural in their progression from one to the next , often the first and second reads are in the same "frame".
It might be harder on the OL than anyone else … execution wise.
 
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gafftop said:
But we definitely know WTF we have as poor excuse for a HC/OC. BOB is definitely not helping a damn thing. Get rid of him. Or Cal just let him sit in your box on game day. I really do not hate BOB as a person only as HC/OC for the Texans, sure he sounds like a great guy even though he is an ass in after game pressers.
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You'll get no argument from me …. I want OB gone too.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Funny you mention that Corrosion b/c in year 6 we have no idea what kind of HC/OC/GM OB is or could be. One thing is for certain......no way I get behind OB letting Watson walk and him getting yet another QB to coach-down.
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If you took that post as me supporting OB doing anything - you are off base.

My point is that …. OB is bad enough that we cant evaluate our QB and because the position is so difficult to fill , we're pretty much locked into paying him $30m+ for the next coach to come in and find out what we have.

HWWNBM & Kubiak all over again …. with 14% of the cap at stake. They better put an out in that contract just in case.
 
Corrosion said:
If you took that post as me supporting OB doing anything - you are off base.

My point is that …. OB is bad enough that we cant evaluate our QB and because the position is so difficult to fill , we're pretty much locked into paying him $30m+ for the next coach to come in and find out what we have.

HWWNBM & Kubiak all over again …. with 14% of the cap at stake. They better put an out in that contract just in case.
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Hopefully they hire a HC who knows something of what a QB should look like, as Kubiak did
 
Corrosion said:
If you took that post as me supporting OB doing anything - you are off base.

My point is that …. OB is bad enough that we cant evaluate our QB and because the position is so difficult to fill , we're pretty much locked into paying him $30m+ for the next coach to come in and find out what we have.

HWWNBM & Kubiak all over again …. with 14% of the cap at stake. They better put an out in that contract just in case.
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If OB fails this season.....maybe its finally time to sell off the assets, stock pile picks, ducking fire OB, and hire a new FO Team and Coaching Staff.

I'll mention it again.....give me Bill Polian for 2 seasons to mentor and be a consultant to Cal McNair. Next, I'll ask for permission to offer GM position to Eliot Wolf (Browns). I'd really the idea of Wolf extending an offer to Alonzo Highsmith to join him in Houston. They've worked together for several seasons in Green Bay and now Cleveland. Highsmith is building a nice resume in his own right. This would represent a very good and young foundation. Could help lure the right young coach to join the build.
 
Double Barrel said:
I honestly don't know what folks see in Cal McNair to make them believe that he is capable with regards to evaluating and hiring a head coach and GM.

Everything about the man screams the exact opposite to me.
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Exactly why I mentioned hiring Bill Polian to advise and mentor him for 2 years. He'd also be there for a young GM like Eliot Wolf to bounce ideas off of before making moves.
 
Uncle Rico said:
He states that the TExans COULD entertain the idea of running different combination routes as he calls them and take advantage of the mismatches those tend to create vs man or zone coverages.
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Cossell knows what he's talking about. One guy I try and always pay attention to.
To the quoted, when is the last time we saw OB scheme the offense to get a RB lined up against a LB'er? Or a TE for that matter. I get tired off seeing Cole and Cunningham getting beat like a drum by a RB.
 
austins23 said:
Not trying to start an argument or anything, but maybe Watson's "weaknesses and consistency" issues are being caused by his HC/OC. :hides:
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I'd say they were being compounded …. when its the coaches job to mask those deficiencies....

OB needs to go - Yesterday.

We've got one year left on Watson's rookie deal , either you know what you have by the end of next season or you are setting yourself up for 4 more years of mediocrity or worse.
 
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