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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Sad thing is when Romo shows up produces the Danny Downers still won't be able to enjoy it because it wasn't "What they would have done"
Lol it's a great day in HTown, I may just go help Oz pack up!
Lol it's a great day in HTown, I may just go help Oz pack up!
He counts 9M against the cap for 2017 (remaining signing bonus money) in the trade, instead of 19M for keeping him or 25M for cutting him outright.
His 16M base for 2017 is Cleveland's number now.
I think.
And not sure how a June 1 cut would've factored in.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I think it's only fitting that in order to get rid of Osweiller the Texans had to throw a pick 6.
Max
Veteran
You make a good point about the move being about this year -- whether or not it was a good move will depend on what they do with the extra cap space this year. It would seem that there is now room for Romo and another big FA signing if in fact they are pursuing Romo. I've been wondering all along if there wasn't plans to move back in the draft this year -- maybe the 2nd round pick next year is picked back up. It seems like a lot of dust has to settle to make a final assessment of whether these moves are good or not -- but it's clear that McNair is in win now mode, which I'm in favor of.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
What's funny is last year he signed Osweiler and this board said he should be applauded if it worked and held accountable if it didn't. Well, it didn't. And not only did it not work, he compounded it by giving away picks to get rid of the guy that he signed. And Texans fans are thanking him for it. Osweiler was actually so bad that fans are thanking Smith (the guy who signed him) for dumping picks to get rid of him.
So much for accountability.
He really only gave away one pick in the trade. Just in fairness.
This says everything about the way the Texans org is being run.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Blame the Texan prganization as much as you want for the failed signing of Osweiler...However, celebrate their decision to move on so quickly and aggressively instead of saving face for another year like 90% of NFL organizations would have don.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
It is crazy to think somehow Rick Smith and BoB managed to find a QB more toxic than Hoyer. That takes skill.
dsorc
Waterboy
The key reason that has not been addressed is that Brock's salary is guaranteed. If he was cut, the Texans would still have to pay his salary but with the trade the Browns are now on the hook for the guaranteed salary.
I'm happy as can be that Os is gone
But in the last decade how many strokes of genius has the Texans org had?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
that makes sense. Thanks. Spotrac.com and overthecap.com have been frozen for hours, and I couldnt figure it out.
First smith should get no praise for this. It's like starting a fire and then being a hero for reporting it first.
2nd based on past qb escapdes the only way for this to play out is trade for romo sign him to guaranteed contract and then find out he can't play in offseason.
3rd can the browns pay the remaining amount on bricks/brocks contract and trade him to a team for draft choices and that team get him for free? Why the hell not?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I'm telling you that Osweiler is going to be good for another team. Just wait. There's a reason people are interested.
If I'm the Cardinals, I'm absolutely trying to get him. Big QB, an *actual* offensive guru unlike our supposed one and an outgoing, fragile QB ahead of him? Slam dunk.
If I'm the Cardinals, I'm absolutely trying to get him. Big QB, an *actual* offensive guru unlike our supposed one and an outgoing, fragile QB ahead of him? Slam dunk.
HouSportsWriter
SIAB
Praying we pass on Romo, so we can sign better free agents { Oline / DT / Safety} and get a rookie QB.
Lol. They went out and got the best FA QB they could last year. It didn't workout. They figure out a way to get out of his contract to go another direction. Get over yourself.
You may not want to give Rick any praise for this, but I've got to give him praise, and whoever else (BOB/Cal) was involved in making this happen, for continuing to search for that elusive "Franchise QB!" Lot of mistakes made no doubt, but you have to keep trying until you hit!
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
How many times has Rick tried now? Maybe it's time to let someone else try.
Maybe, but then that's not up to us!
BOB/Cal/Rick McNair have now set the price on what it takes to clean up crapping their pants.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Browns forum says that 4th pick is #142 at the end of the round, not #108 as someone else said upthread.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Im truly disgusted.
The texans weren't satisfied to just miss on oz and whats been called an easy contract to drop after 2 years.
No. They felt compelled to COMPOUND the problem by giving away a 2nd round pick to the browns so they could cut him.
I have no doubt this move is intended to preceed another. That's great.
As it stands now, this trade is snuggled up there with the herschel deal as all time stupid.
( and why wouldn't ob be down for it? He wont be here in 2018 anyway when that 2nd rounder is due.) Utter disaster and the final nail in the rick smith / ob king sized coffin.
Save me from the recycled fantasy next season things will get better. They haven't and arent until ob and rick are gone. I was actually wearing a texans shirt earlier today and took it off in fear of the humiliation.
Just wow.
The texans weren't satisfied to just miss on oz and whats been called an easy contract to drop after 2 years.
No. They felt compelled to COMPOUND the problem by giving away a 2nd round pick to the browns so they could cut him.
I have no doubt this move is intended to preceed another. That's great.
As it stands now, this trade is snuggled up there with the herschel deal as all time stupid.
( and why wouldn't ob be down for it? He wont be here in 2018 anyway when that 2nd rounder is due.) Utter disaster and the final nail in the rick smith / ob king sized coffin.
Save me from the recycled fantasy next season things will get better. They haven't and arent until ob and rick are gone. I was actually wearing a texans shirt earlier today and took it off in fear of the humiliation.
Just wow.
I would have drafted Aj McCarron at 3-1 in the 2014 draft.
I would have drafted Connor Cook with our third round pick of 2016, if not our second.
I would not have signed Osweiler.
I would not sign Romo.
Still, I don't think signing Osweiler was a bad decision. Just not the move I would have made. I can absolutely understand the Texans believing they made a mistake. But not so big a mistake that they would compound it with the moves they made today.
Unless the "heated discussions" were more than O'b cared to put up with as the OC.
This makes no sense to me.
If they're trying to clear enough money to offer Romo a deal where all the guaranteed money is in the first year, it would make some sense. But if you're that worried about Romo... why even bother? No amount of guaranteed money is going to guarantee he even makes it to the regular season.
What would get me excited is if we go after another QB via a trade no one expected, like the Osweiler trade. Rivers, Stafford, Brees... Tony Romo production, iron man availability. Eli Manning...
I would have drafted Connor Cook with our third round pick of 2016, if not our second.
I would not have signed Osweiler.
I would not sign Romo.
Still, I don't think signing Osweiler was a bad decision. Just not the move I would have made. I can absolutely understand the Texans believing they made a mistake. But not so big a mistake that they would compound it with the moves they made today.
Unless the "heated discussions" were more than O'b cared to put up with as the OC.
This makes no sense to me.
If they're trying to clear enough money to offer Romo a deal where all the guaranteed money is in the first year, it would make some sense. But if you're that worried about Romo... why even bother? No amount of guaranteed money is going to guarantee he even makes it to the regular season.
What would get me excited is if we go after another QB via a trade no one expected, like the Osweiler trade. Rivers, Stafford, Brees... Tony Romo production, iron man availability. Eli Manning...
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
You should either be upset that they signed Osweiler in the first place and relieved that they successfully unloaded him and moved on so quickly... or, upset that they gave away a good QB without getting anything in return.... Wouldn't you agree that it would be worse for the team to keep a QB on the team, under contract, and soaking up so much cap space for another year simply to save a 2018 2nd round draft pick.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if they went with Savage/Weeden/Mahomes next yr. What they should've done last yr.
PapaL
Loose Screw
IMO as long as we draft a QB early and he sits and has time to not only learn how to be a professional but also how to play QB at a high level then it'll be a wash. We can't go into next year looking for a replacement QB again.
Chances seem high that Romo is the guy, hoping to catch Peyton Manning lightning in a bottle, but we HAVE to develop someone else.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I don't know. Dude's got so many faults he's going to have to overcome a lot to be good anywhere else.
I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Make Osweiler a June 1st cut, save your draft pick.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Oz couldve sat on the bench - even the practice squad for one year without losing a 2nd round pick. Save the "vertigo spin job." Im not buying that horse ****.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Should probably develop an insurance agent to cover Romo's shoulder...
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
You can't do that with traded players. We sent out his 16m guaranteed salary, but take on his 9m in remaining signing bonus. His total cap hit this year would have been 19m (Salary+1 year bonus), now it is 9m. That's how they saved 10m in cap space this year, and cleared any further hits in 2018 and beyond.
If we didn't trade him, and made him a June 1 cut instead, it would have been 25m spread over the 2 years, or 12.5m this year and next.
I hear you but I am not sure there has been such a glaring failure made before. Usually a free agent paid this much is not this bad. Brock was not just bad but historically bad. Everyone could see after a few games that there was NO hope for him. His speed of delivery along with his accuracy made it obvious he was not going to make it. Go back and check the board. The Texans still went with him in the playoff game. I don't think they got over it that quick. You can't save face when the mistake is that huge.
PapaL
Loose Screw
You are on a roll today!
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That 2 is for next year and who's to say they don't pick a 2 back up somewhere down the road? 2018 is a long ways away.
Eh... ain't nobody got no time to be "developing" no QBs.
Instead of throwing away draft capital, we should be stock piling future picks & learning how to effectively move up & down in the draft to acquire your top targets every year.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I agree that it was a bad mistake. However, the only thing that happened today is the Texans recognized, admitted, and swiftly dealt with that mistake (which happened a year ago), and have successfully moved on with minimal damage.
You guys that think this is a terrible trade .... get over yourselves.
The Osweiler signing just didn't work out. Period. Take your 20/20 hindsight BS somewhere else.
I didn't think there was any way possible for there to be way to get out from underneath that contract, but Smith figured it out. It was a move to get back some cap money, that's it.
I have issues with Rick Smith myself, but this doesn't qualify as an issue.
The Osweiler signing just didn't work out. Period. Take your 20/20 hindsight BS somewhere else.
I didn't think there was any way possible for there to be way to get out from underneath that contract, but Smith figured it out. It was a move to get back some cap money, that's it.
I have issues with Rick Smith myself, but this doesn't qualify as an issue.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
The part that eludes me is the importance of the $10M savings. Right now it has no value to me so I can't factor it into the merit of this trade.
Secondly, I'm pretty sure had we designated him a June 1st cut his cap hit for 2017 would be the same, as if he played. We wouldn't gain any cap space, we wouldn't have lost any additional. We'd gain a roster spot.
The remaining $6M from his signing bonus would apply to 2018.
I will agree with you on everything but the word "minimal".
So we would have had two 2nd round picks. That's where I'd much rather be.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the June 1 cut numbers are by year, but it would be the 25m in total. We save 16m of that from our cap in total, and pay only the 9m in remaining bonus.
The 10m number is the difference for this year, it's the 19m caphit he would have had on the roster minus the total bonus remaining, 9m.
10m is savings in 2017 cap.
16m is the total savings to the 2017-2019 cap.