Word as of now is that Cousins has cooled his sh*t and is going to sign his franchise offer and play out 2017 in Washington.
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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns
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Word as of now is that Cousins has cooled his sh*t and is going to sign his franchise offer and play out 2017 in Washington.
Im waiting to see what they do exactly with this new found freedom.
As the saying goes about why divorce is so expensive..... because its worth it.
Im not happy about the loss of a 2nd..... but Im going to wait to see what they do with the spot before I call it a mistake.
I like that they did SOMETHING..... cause rolling with what we had... Id have started next season not caring.
Now if we end up with Romo it will feel a bit anticlimactic seeing the unexpectedness of the move only for it to be done for the likes of Romo ...... the weight from the expectations of some Houston fans alone on his shoulders will put him on IR.
I dont hate Romo as an option.... I do dislike the idea of Romo being our only hope....... but.... at least its something else.
As the saying goes about why divorce is so expensive..... because its worth it.
Im not happy about the loss of a 2nd..... but Im going to wait to see what they do with the spot before I call it a mistake.
I like that they did SOMETHING..... cause rolling with what we had... Id have started next season not caring.
Now if we end up with Romo it will feel a bit anticlimactic seeing the unexpectedness of the move only for it to be done for the likes of Romo ...... the weight from the expectations of some Houston fans alone on his shoulders will put him on IR.
I dont hate Romo as an option.... I do dislike the idea of Romo being our only hope....... but.... at least its something else.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Don't see why anyone pays this dude any mind when it comes to qb evals after his praise of Bortles....or as they call him on the jags message board BBINT lol
I agree with giving Savage a serious shot. I don't see anyone close to a Franchise QB in this draft. Retain that 2nd rd pick that we just gave away, add it to our first in 2018, and move up to get said franchise qb. 2018 is going to be another draft like last year .... strong QB stock ! You can't draft them if they're not there ! BTW, they just announced that the Browns didn't really want Brosweiller .... they just wanted the 2nd rd pick !!
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Can someone explain the Savage boner on this board? If he was the answer, he wouldn't have been riding pine these past few seasons, behind such luminaries as Fitzmagic, Brian Hoyer, Assweiner, and Ryan "I Do Cocaine!" Mallet.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
B/c Romo ain't long for the cause that's why. Dude is 36, injury prone with a janky collar bone & lets not forget the choke factor with him. With our FO & luck we sign him to a ridiculous contract for 2 years & may not even get a full season out of him & be essentially back to savage & co. anyway.
Even if we lose a 1st this year by going after Cousins, we could potentially have a franchise guy for at least 6-8 years & still be in position to get a rookie qb to develop after his 2nd year here....
Texian
Hall of Fame
What would you like to know? This is his 4th year and he will be working with his 5th OC. Coughlin has decided to keep Bortles for 2017.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You might not have a 1st or 2nd RD draft pick this year but you would have a Pro Bowl QB (Wentz) for the next 12 years or so. You certainly wouldn't be in the mess you're in now. Trading 2nd rd picks to make all your past boo boos go away.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The main reason he's been riding pine is he's just had some untimely injuries. Outside of his 1st game action in Indy a few years ago though, he's flashed enough in his limited snaps to warrant taking a serious look at. The FO has also kind of worked against him in that they've been bringing in guys that have essentially kept him buried on the depth chart for 1 reason or another.
Hoyer & Fitz had game experience & system knowledge over him...2 things a rookie HC covets
Mallet had more raw talent & system knowledge over him...
Oz started over him strictly b/c of money imo.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Savage has had multiple opportunities to win the job... Each time, he got hurt.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Run me through the scenario where the Texans end up with Wentz last draft. This should be fun
thetexanator
Veteran
so were going with glass shoulder tom savage? and our backup plan is broken spine tony romo? jeez
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Do teams have to spend $X every year or something? I wonder if this is why the 49ers are signing the contracts they've been doing.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Cousins would have to agree with the trade. He is getting 24mil per right now so the chances of Texans matching that are slim, so no.
Get Romo, Savage is his backup and he can learn from a top tier QB which he has never had opportunity of before.
Draft a QB in the first two rounds to learn the system.
Romo, Savage and Top 5 QB = best QB room Texans have had in a long time.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't say multiple times...He only got 1 real opportunity to take it & that was last year when he was actually named a starter for a game or 2 before he was concussed. all the other times i believe he came in relief. I honestly look at him like Clowney...before last year folks in here were calling him a bust b/c he just couldn't get healthy..well we saw what kind of an impact he could make when he finally did get healthy.
I believe if Savage can get & stay healthy, he could be a very good qb for us...His biggest problem is that he tries to make EVERY play a big play b/c he's knows his opportunities are few.
I believe the most recent CBA requires a minimum dollar amount is sprang annually in an effort to make sure teams pay players and don't hoard cash.
Thorsson
Waterboy
I haven't posted on here in a while, but this move brought me out of hibernation. And what a great move trading Osweiler is! He was probaby one of the top 3 worst free agent signings in NFL history.
I'm really curious as what the Browns plan to do with Brock. I just can't see Osweiler being able to throw on the shores of Lake Erie come December.
I'm really curious as what the Browns plan to do with Brock. I just can't see Osweiler being able to throw on the shores of Lake Erie come December.
We gained more money, but we did not use it to retain Bouye. I think he was a great kid, who found his confidence. We let Demps sign with another team. There is rampant talk of letting Cushing go. When you have the best defense in the game, what do you do with it ? You know ! When your offense is 3rd from last place in the game, you don't give away 2nd rd picks.
I guess I don't need to remind that this time last year I hit the nail squarely on the head about Brock Osweiler too. So what? They felt Brock was their best option. Who was your choice over OZ? Who was the better option at the time? I'm sorry nothing to learn here of any substance. I've seen this sad act before. You know the "I'm the smartest guy in the room, everyone look at me, if I were in charge we would be unbeatable"!!! Sorry It doesn't interest me.
Max
Veteran
Are you lamenting the loss of big bust brock? What's the better plan?
I don't know if I'm being negative. I'm just trying to understand the plan.
We've had a new QB every year of O'bs tenure. That's basic changing directions every year. I thought Brock was a two year project. Instead we basically have our F.O. admitting they don't have a clue & are pretty much winging it.
My confusion goes beyond this Osweiler trade.
Bouye. Reports are saying we were willing to offer him a contract worth $12M/yr. But he signs elsewhere for $14M/yr. Personally, my stretch number was $10M/yr, but I wanted to keep it under 9. But if the Texans were willing to go to $12M, why not tag him, give yourself more time, more leverage to get him to sign for $12M/yr?
Obviously they didn't want to be on the hook for a $14M cap hit this year.
So we didn't want to tie up $14M/yr. We didn't want to pay Demps a pittance. Then we free up another $10M.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
There's nothing he needs to learn from Romo at this point..he's been in the system for 3 years...Savage needs reps which he wouldn't get if Romo came here....b/c make no mistake about it, he's only coming here if he's going to start.
& to my knowledge Cousins hasn't signed his franchise tag for 2017 yet. He'd be a fool to not consider coming here. We have a better defense than the redskins, our division is easier to navigate, better stadium to play in and he'd have just as many if not more weaponry to work with. Add in the Texans offering him a long term deal with more guaranteed money...something every player covets over the franchise tag, & we'd be a very attractive option for that dude.
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dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Why would the Redskins trade him to us?... We dont have the ammunition of other teams who also need Qbs- Cleveland and San Fran, for instance.
thetexanator
Veteran
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Correct... But we added cap space, added a draft pick to next month's draft, and opened up a roster spot that will be filled with a new QB... So, the odds are good that our QB situation is about to improve.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You have that backwards IF Romo comes here.
There is a 2 tiered system - an absolute minimum % each season and then a higher rolling 5 year %. The Browns are WAY under without this.
This is financial and draft for them. They may even cut him tomorrow. They are burning cap with this move.
Cousins is a pipe dream not even worth discussing. He is exclusive tagged, can't even talk to him. Most likely can't get Washington's attention for less than 2 1sts. He's sitting on $24 mil now so that the starting point for what he wants in his pocket this year. Ain't happening.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
To get something for him before he either drives the price up on them even more if he plays well next year...or leaves after he plays well & someone pays him what they won't in 2 years. Either way, dude wins....................as long as he plays well that is.
thetexanator
Veteran
id rather have the 2nd rd pick next year. this trade will not improve us. there is no viable option for qb this year.
So Thunderkyss you've heard the ole bromide where you gotta ,"kiss a lot of frogs...." ?
I getcha. I understand questioning the plan. It's definitely had its questionable moments. I was speaking of the negativity over this trade. As far as the two year comment, he was done. There was no need to bring him back after last year. He had ample opportunity to show at least some sign of of consistency. Well the only consistency he showed was bad. Not sure what anyone ssen that would make them want to sit through that for another year of that mess. I would think they were incompetent if the would of kept him past June first.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I agree, but hell, i'm ready to consider all options before Romo....signing him has Ahman Green all over it.
I getcha. I understand questioning the plan. It's definitely had its questionable moments. I was speaking of the negativity over this trade. As far as the two year comment, he was done. There was no need to bring him back after last year. He had ample opportunity to show at least some sign of of consistency. Well the only consistency he showed was bad. Not sure what anyone ssen that would make them want to sit through that for another year of that mess. I would think they were incompetent if the would of kept him past June first.
thetexanator
Veteran
ed reed written all over it.
Blowing yourself again?
I really do not see follow your logic. Had they kept him on the bench past June 1st, would we not still have our 2nd round pick?
Texian
Hall of Fame
There were 1000s and 1000s of words discussing that subject right here on Texans Talk Message boards last year about this time. Have Fun!
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BigBull
Rookie
But none of them where realistic.
thetexanator
Veteran
like choosing a fat girl with no boobs and a cute girl with a mustache.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If I were in charge it would be for about a day. I would hire someone who has demonstrated very successfully that he knows how to win many more football games than his competition. Make him the single decision maker for all football operations. The other option is hire a person who has grown up in the business and learned the business from his successful dad. People who begin learning their craft a very young age usually tend to be the most successful in their life's work. Then I would head for the golf course. My work here is done. I can assure you this, either of those moves will prove to be more successful than Bob McNair's 14 year approach.
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Texian
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They were only as realistic as Atlanta trading up for Julio Jones. Must be your definition of realistic.
Texian
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If trading away a 2nd Rd pick to make all your screw ups go away is your definition of a smart decision then I guess they did.
BigBull
Rookie
So you think the Texans could have realistically out bid the Eagles not just in fantasy land.
Atlanta trading up to 6 for a WR isn't the same as Houston trying to trade up to 2 for a QB.
They're different animals all together, but I think you actually know that.
Texian
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We will never know will we? I do know this, embarrassment is watching someone else do something you said couldn't be done. Who woulda thought the Falcons could have moved up far enough to draft Julio?
Texian
Hall of Fame
So you're saying there was absolutely NFW to get a deal done then? If you say No, I say BS, if there is a will, there is a way.
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