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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns

thunderkyss said:
So we would have had two 2nd round picks. That's where I'd much rather be.
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Who wouldn't? I'd much rather have a good QB. It didn't work out with O's, the quicker you move on the better.

And this is just one move. Let's see where they take it from here.
 
Marcus said:
You guys that think this is a terrible trade .... get over yourselves.

The Osweiler signing just didn't work out. Period. Take your 20/20 hindsight BS somewhere else.

I didn't think there was any way possible for there to be way to get out from underneath that contract, but Smith figured it out. It was a move to get back some cap money, that's it.

I have issues with Rick Smith myself, but this doesn't qualify as an issue.
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I just hope we understand *why* it didn't work out. As of now, Osweiler's the scapegoat and I don't think that's fair. Though life is, obviously, not fair. Not that he had no hand in the matter mind you. Actually, sometimes it seemed he operated with no hands.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the June 1 cut numbers are by year, but it would be the 25m in total. We save 16m of that from our cap in total, and pay only the 9m in remaining bonus.

The 10m number is the difference for this year, it's the 19m caphit he would have had on the roster minus the total bonus remaining, 9m.

10m is savings in 2017 cap.
16m is the total savings to the 2017-2019 cap.
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Correct... And there is $0 cap hit in 2018. We are totally clear of that contract
 
Marcus said:
You guys that think this is a terrible trade .... get over yourselves.

The Osweiler signing just didn't work out. Period. Take your 20/20 hindsight BS somewhere else.

I didn't think there was any way possible for there to be way to get out from underneath that contract, but Smith figured it out. It was a move to get back some cap money, that's it.

I have issues with Rick Smith myself, but this doesn't qualify as an issue.
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exactly, he swung for fences on Os and struck out. He pooped his bed but decided to clean it up as best as possible. He got rid of sheets now rather than lying in them a year. He did not intentionally start a fire to destroy team as posted page or two earlier. I care about now so 2nd round loss did not bother me especially when I see the extra cap. Now focus should be on what they do with it and the 4.108 and it could be good. Happy Bouye got his $; down right giddy he didn't get it from us.
 
WolverineFan said:
This whole thing blows me away. It played out this way in my head...

Bob McNair: "Rick, we need a QB".

Rick Smith: "Well I have a plan. We sign the Broncos backup QB to a ridiculous contract but we give ourselves an out in case he sucks. If he's good then we keep him. If he sucks then we trade draft picks to get rid of him so another team can have our picks and then use the out we built into the contract to cut him. Then, wait for it Bob, then we throw money at a 36-year old who got injured 3 times behind the best O-Line in football. Either we do that or we draft Derek Carr. What do you think Bob?"

Bob McNair: "Another Carr? No way man, do the other thing."
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In no way was that o-line the best in football when he suffered two of those injuries.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the June 1 cut numbers are by year, but it would be the 25m in total. We save 16m of that from our cap in total, and pay only the 9m in remaining bonus.
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Yup, yup ... 25M in total money, and 16M against the cap. As for the yearly layout ...

If Brock had been a June 1 cut, he would've counted 19M in 2017 against the cap and 6M in 2018.

So, this trade versus that option gives us 10M in 2017 and 6M in 2018 against the cap to play with.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't know what is more ridiculous, the fact that you actually would call this bust of a move genius since we now lost picks after a bad signing, or the fact that other desperate Texans fans actually liked that comment.

I get it that people are glad Oz is gone. I am too. But calling this move genius? :mariopalm:
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Somebody took our garbage and we add a little more cap space. I am okay with this trade. Besides who knows what other trades could be made in the future.
 
dalemurphy said:
Correct... And there is $0 cap hit in 2018
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justmy2cents said:
YES ... THIS ... GOOD LORD ... what a mistake ! They must be trying to cobble together money to pay some other team's reject(s) !
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So, you would keep a Qb on the roster for another year, eating the cap, despite the fact that the organization has determined he cant play... Lock up a roster spot, prevent the team from aggressively attempting to get its future QB... All to save a 2018 2nd day pick?
 
Speedy said:
Who wouldn't? I'd much rather have a good QB. It didn't work out with O's, the quicker you move on the better.

And this is just one move. Let's see where they take it from here.
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We could have moved on by cutting him, designating him as a June 1st cut. We could do that the first day of the new year. Our 2017 cap situation would not change one bit.

We basically swapped our sixth for their 4th & gave them our 2nd round pick for $10M.

Yes, we have to wait to see what they do from here to determine whether this helps or hurts the Texans.
 
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thunderkyss said:
We could have moved on by cutting him, designating him as a June 1st cut. We could do that the first day of the new year. Our 2017 cap situation would not change one bit.

We basically swapped our sixth for their 4th & gave them our 2nd round pick for $10M.

Yes, we have to wait to see what they do from here to determine whether this helps or hurts the Texans.
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However you look at it, The Texans saved $16 million in cap space between 2017 and 2018... If we had cut him as June 1st cut, we would be $11.5 million worse this year and $4.5 million worse in 2018 than we are by trading him away.
 
Marcus said:
The Osweiler signing just didn't work out. Period. Take your 20/20 hindsight BS somewhere else.
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Exactly. If you want to complain about a serious mistake then why don't you wine & bellyache about not buying Apple stock when it was in single digits.
Texans made a mistake last year in a FA decision but now it's time to cut our losses and move on. End of story.
 
thunderkyss said:
We could have moved on by cutting him, designating him as a June 1st cut. We could do that the first day of the new year. Our 2017 cap situation would not change one bit.
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No, that's not true. We saved 10M in cap in 2017 with this trade versus making him a June 1 cut.

We owe 9M against the cap for Os in 2017 after the trade. We'd have owed 19M against the cap for him in 2017 had we June 1sted him.
 
I would of just kept Brock and keep my 2nd round chip

Grab your self a ot/g in the draft and maybe that would of helped Brock get 2 ughhh b+ level and heck even then use a 2nd THAT WE GAVE AWAY!!!! ON A QB!!!!

but noooo I guess they have other plans

Maybe they are tanking this season ???
 
dalemurphy said:
However you look at it, The Texans saved $16 million in cap space between 2017 and 2018... If we had cut him as June 1st cut, we would be $11.5 million worse this year and $4.5 million worse in 2018 than we are by trading him away.
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Instead, we don't have a 2nd round pick for 2018.

I get the money thing. Right now I see more value in the 2018 2nd round pick.
 
Mollywhopper said:
No, that's not true. We saved 10M in cap in 2017 with this trade versus making him a June 1 cut.

We owe 9M against the cap for Os in 2017 after the trade. We'd have owed 19M against the cap for him in 2017 had we June 1sted him.
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I was responding to moving on. The money isn't important to me, especially not at the cost of a future 2nd round pick.

If we're happy that the organization is moving on from the Osweiler deal, I'm just saying we could have moved on without giving up our future 2nd.
 
thunderkyss said:
I was responding to moving on. The money isn't important to me, especially not at the cost of a future 2nd round pick.

If we're happy that the organization is moving on from the Osweiler deal, I'm just saying we could have moved on without giving up our future 2nd.
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OK, when you said '... Our 2017 cap situation would not change one bit' I assumed you were making concern of the money.

My bad.

And sure, we could've moved on without giving up a future 2nd, which I'm not terribly thrilled with, but we'd have had less to spend. And not that you necessarily care but I'm waiting to see how that money's spent before passing final judgment.
 
thunderkyss said:
I was responding to moving on. The money isn't important to me, especially not at the cost of a future 2nd round pick.

If we're happy that the organization is moving on from the Osweiler deal, I'm just saying we could have moved on without giving up our future 2nd.
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Texans probably feel this was their best chance to win next year.

Question is whether that extra money will help bring a player in that is more productive than a rookie second Rd pick would have been.

No way to know for sure. Will be interesting to see who they pick up.
 
Mollywhopper said:
OK, when you said '... Our 2017 cap situation would not change one bit' I assumed you were making concern of the money.

My bad.
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Wouldn't change vs him being on our 2017 roster.

Mollywhopper said:
And sure, we could've moved on without giving up a future 2nd, which I'm not terribly thrilled with, but we'd have had less to spend. And not that you necessarily care but I'm waiting to see how that money's spent before passing final judgment.
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That's basically what I'm saying.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Texans probably feel this was their best chance to win next year.
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Exactly. We have to see what they do with that $10M vs what they could have done with the 2nd round pick.

If we win the AFCCG next year, I doubt many will care about that 2nd round pick.

If we're playing for a playoff berth week 17 & lose, that 2nd round pick is going to look like the solution to all our problems.
 
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When you make a mistake, admit it and use corrective action. I, like most thought Brock was worth the gamble and hoped for the best ,it didn't work. Moving forward, they still need a qb. At this point, I'd take cutler. They missed their chance 3 yrs ago and this is what happens.
 
thunderkyss said:
& had we just cut Brock, we'd have two 2nds.
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With less money to spend.

Btw, I'm not defending this regime or organization. I don't think the owner has done a good job of getting the right people in place so it's obvious how I feel about OB and Smith.

This whole Osweiler mess was because they did not properly invest in the qb position when they most obviously should have.
 
I'm glad it wasn't this years 2nd round pick. Just reading how strong this years draft looks. Have no clue about next years


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TheMatrix31 said:
Just wait until Elway swoops in and takes Romo from us leaving us with no Romo and no Osweiler, leaving us with dicks in hand and a butt chin still at the helm.
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Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if they went with Savage/Weeden/Mahomes next yr. What they should've done last yr.
powda said:
Oz couldve sat on the bench - even the practice squad for one year without losing a 2nd round pick. Save the "vertigo spin job." Im not buying that horse ****.
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Ricky basically traded a 2nd rd pick for 19 mil in cap space.

Unfortunately Ricky hasn't done squat with that cap space.
 
steelbtexan said:
Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if they went with Savage/Weeden/Mahomes next yr. What they should've done last yr.


Ricky basically traded a 2nd rd pick for 19 mil in cap space.

Unfortunately Ricky hasn't done squat with that cap space.
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Yet. It seems best to free up the space before you use it, no?
 
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Is this an early April Fool's joke? If it's true, next year's 2nd is a lot to give up for this year's move up from a fairly late 6th to a very early 4th. Oh, getting rid of Oz...good move, but please, not for Romo! To snatch Cousins, ok, or depend on the draft.
 
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I don't get all the negativity. I didn't want OZ. I didn't think he was any good and I wanted someone else. Still I understood why they signed him. We had nothing and we took a chance. I give them credit for that. Brock though not my choice was worthwhile shot. They did what they had to do to sign him.

It didn't workout and now he is gone. Thats exactly what they needed to do and keep doing to give us our best chance at winning and finding our franchise QB. Brock was only still on the team because of his contract. I'm happy and excited we have moved on. On to the next QB. Go Texans!
 
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steelbtexan said:
Should've opened it up before FA began.
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Maybe the opportunity didn't present itself. Honestly I don't see why you even watch this team anymore. You seem to hate them. You dog their every move. If something put that black a cloud over me I would find something else for entertainment. Relax bro Oz is gone now we move forward. Hopefully this time we find the right QB.
 
mussop said:
Lol. They went out and got the best FA QB they could last year. It didn't workout. They figure out a way to get out of his contract to go another direction. Get over yourself.
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I guess I don't need to remind that this time last year I hit the nail squarely on the head about Brock Osweiler. I'm over myself. Maybe you should step back and watch and learn.
 
While i'm happy about getting Oz's money off the books, i'm not at all thrilled with us potentiallysigning an injury prone over the hill ass Qb in Romo. Dude was getting hurt behind the best o-line in the league. How in the hell is he going to stay healthy with our patchwork o-line?
 
Mr teX said:
While i'm happy about getting Oz's money off the books, i'm not at all thrilled with us potentiallysigning an injury prone over the hill ass Qb in Romo. Dude was getting hurt behind the best o-line in the league. How in the hell is he going to stay healthy with our patchwork o-line?
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What do you think we should do at QB now?
 
Texian said:
I guess I don't need to remind that this time last year I hit the nail squarely on the head about Brock Osweiler. I'm over myself. Maybe you should step back and watch and learn.
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How would that trade up for Wentz/Goff have worked out? Don't forget, your nail was two-headed.
 
dalemurphy said:
What do you think we should do at QB now?
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Either

Give Savage his shot...let Weeden be back up..Draft o-line in the 1st, future qb in the 2nd.

or

Go after Cousins with a reasonable contract...He's at least younger than Romo & has shown over these last couple of years he can do a little something & be consistently accurate...which is more than what Oz had shown.............and still draft o-line in the 1st, safety in the 2nd
 
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Mr teX said:
Either

Give Savage his shot...let Weeden be back up..Draft o-line in the 1st, future qb in the 2nd.

or

Go after Cousins with a reasonable contract...He's at least younger than Romo & has shown over these last couple of years he can do a little something & be consistently accurate...which is more than what Oz had shown.............and still draft o-line in the 1st, safety in the 2nd
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If we go after Cousins, then we won't have a 1st round pick to use this year... why not sign Romo and use picks to get a rookie QB?
 
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