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Ryan Mallett

WolverineFan said:
This is why many of us were advising caution last week when half the board was anointing the guy after a solid 1st start.

Last week we saw the good of Ryan Mallett. The pocket movement, the quick release, and the arm strength to make tough throws. Things we were told were positives and turned out to be true.

This week we saw the bad of Ryan Mallett. The inaccuracy, the poor ball placement and poor touch, inconsistency going through his reads, and forcing throws because of the faith in his arm. These were all things we were told were negatives and turned out to be true.

This is going to be a process people. It's more than one or two weeks. It's the remainder of the season and even then you won't have the full story. Just a foundation that will help you make the decision to keep him and continue the journey or let him go and begin a new one.

If you aren't ready for that process and want to make the decision based off one good or bad game then it's probably time for you to check out for the rest of the year. This team isn't going to the playoffs and anyone honest with themselves never really expected them to.
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Spot on.
 
He may have been in the NFL for a while, but he just played his second game. I think he showed us enough last week to warrant continued playing. We know Fitz isn't the answer, and we still don't know if Mallet is or not, and Savage just isn't ready yet.

If he continues to screw up then we'll know. I just don't think we "know" yet.
 
Whether or not he's played in meaningful games is pretty much irrelevant. His Accuracy is something he has struggled with since college and he's had nothing but time to improve on it since being in the league. If he's still erractic like this after recieving some of the best pro coaching and tutelage he can get for 3 years in NE....that doesnt bode well for him.

Like many of us said after his 1st game, its just 1 game...he's gonna be given every opportunity by BoB to win this job for the next couple of years.. Lets see how he deals with adversity.
 
Mr teX said:
Oh but wait, i thought his quick release was making all the difference? Lol at some of u guys.
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His quick release definitely makes a difference. If you read the posts between yours & Nitrofish's definition of "reads" I think the answer is right there.

Against the Browns, everything he read pre-snap told him exactly what to expect post-snap & he was decisive, quick, & deadly.

Today, he was much more hesitant & he was throwing the ball late. It was as if what he saw post-snap didn't fit with what he saw pre-snap.

To me, this is the kind of thing that can & will be fixed with experience.

Next week we play the Titans & they're still on vanilla. I bet Mallett looks like the guy we saw last week.
 
Mr teX said:
I would agree with you if he was a 1st yr. rook..but he's not. Dude's been in the league for 4 years.

I'll take the same stance with his accuracy that i take with Dwight Howard's post game skills. If he aint got it by now, it likely aint coming.
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He has been on the sideline and the practice squad, slightly different.
 
Marcus said:
I disagree. The lack of touch I saw out there today was something you'd typically see from a QB in the 9th grade. The art of "taking a little off the throws" is something that can't be mastered overnight.

In short, he's unpolished. Kirkpatrick is not the answer. You wanted to know if Mallet was, he showed he's not either.
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He showed he is not the answer after 2 games at 1-1

I thought Al Davis had passed away....
 
thunderkyss said:
His quick release definitely makes a difference. If you read the posts between yours & Nitrofish's definition of "reads" I think the answer is right there.

Against the Browns, everything he read pre-snap told him exactly what to expect post-snap & he was decisive, quick, & deadly.

Today, he was much more hesitant & he was throwing the ball late. It was as if what he saw post-snap didn't fit with what he saw pre-snap.

To me, this is the kind of thing that can & will be fixed with experience.

Next week we play the Titans & they're still on vanilla. I bet Mallett looks like the guy we saw last week.
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Also if you listen to or read rey maualuga's post game comments he basically said he knew what Mallett was going to do when he threw that pick. He said he saw something on film. Hopefully that kind of predictability is something that can be corrected over time.
 
ung14 said:
Also if you listen to or read rey maualuga's post game comments he basically said he knew what Mallett was going to do when he threw that pick. He said he saw something on film. Hopefully that kind of predictability is something that can be corrected over time.
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Nevermind he was talking about the safety.
 
thunderkyss said:
His quick release definitely makes a difference. If you read the posts between yours & Nitrofish's definition of "reads" I think the answer is right there.

Against the Browns, everything he read pre-snap told him exactly what to expect post-snap & he was decisive, quick, & deadly.

Today, he was much more hesitant & he was throwing the ball late. It was as if what he saw post-snap didn't fit with what he saw pre-snap.

To me, this is the kind of thing that can & will be fixed with experience.

Next week we play the Titans & they're still on vanilla. I bet Mallett looks like the guy we saw last week.
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i dont deny that this was part of the issue at times. But his quick release only helps if he's accurate with the ball. Furthermore his quick release didnt help him much on that int...which was just a 1 read 3 step drop.
 
Here is what I think happened. He starts the game off amped up and is missing guys consistently high. Then the bengals start to get long drives and points and the pressure mounts. He winds up forcing throws and thinking too much. He puts too much spice on the ball and it spirals from there. It's like quick sand. The harder he fought to improve the worse he got.

There is no way from one week to the next he lost his accuracy. It's not like he didn't have guys open or no time to throw. Because he did. He just missed. I think today will be an aberration from his normal. I look for him to bounce back big time next week.
 
Seegara said:
You've heard of a performance that was worse than the worst that ever was.

Mallett's decent showing against the Browns went to his head, and that's why his performance today was even worse than that. But don't give up on him yet. The 1 game overexcitement could easily iron itself out. If it doesn't, well, we've already won too many games to get Mariota or Hundley in the next draft.
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Oops, wrong thread.
 
He probably ripped his pec muscle on that 4 yard pass he tried to throw right through Hopkins.
 
CBS sports

Texans quarterback Ryan Mallett played with a right pectoral injury in Sunday's loss to the Bengals, the Houston Chronicle reports.

Mallett will undergo an MRI Monday and could end up missing several weeks while recovering from the injury. If he winds up missing Week 13, Ryan Fitzpatrick would likely take over under center.
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maybe that's why so many throws were off? I mean, yeah he (supposedly) has accuracy issues but quite a bit of difference between Browns and Bengals game
 
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Unbelievable.

That is INFURIATING.

Guy had a torn chest or whatever and couldn't hit a ****ing pass and they kept him in the game?!
 
I thought I remember seeing him grabbing at his chest/shoulder area and rotating his arm/shoulder at one point during the Browns game.
 
Mallett will undergo an MRI Monday and could end up missing several weeks while recovering from the injury. If he winds up missing Week 13, Ryan Fitzpatrick would likely take over under center.
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At least we made it to week 12 before I started looking at the draft forum.
 
speedfreek said:
Well, Hell!

I'm in on Savage against the Tits and Jags.

He will never have a weaker set of opponents to face..
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the jags swept us last year and split with titans


If anything the jags are thinking the same thing and cant wait to play us and I betcha the titans will want revenge and come in here and play us like it was the AFC championship game

Divison games are going to be tough every year IMO
 
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
After getting hurt at Cleveland, Mallett practiced all week. He was 21-of-45 for 189 yards. His passes were off target compared to Cleveland

Mallett suffered the pectoral injury at Cleveland. He was on injury report with a chest injury as probable and didn't miss a down.

Mallett is one tough SOB to play with an injury to a pectoral muscle, especially on the right side, which is his throwing side.

If the MRI shows a tear in Mallett's pectoral muscle, he could miss several games. The bottom line is that Ryan Fitzpatrick is likely back.

Mallett underwent treatment a long time after the game, and when he was asked if he was hurt, he flexed his right hand and said no.

Mallett played hurt through the game, which explains why he was so off target compared to the win at Cleveland.

Mallett played with an injury to his right pectoral muscle, will undergo an MRI and could be lost for several weeks.
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amazing80 said:
Somebody call the doc.
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I don't call him after 9.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Because I know there will be questions about the implications of his injury, this will give you some information as we await more information.



The pectoralis (pec) muscles are large muscles located on each side of the chest. Their primary job is help the shoulders and arms move and lift. When you perform a push-up or chest fly, you are activating the pecs. Because they are among the strongest muscles in the body, they are less likely to be strained (pulled), but it can happen.

Grade 1 strains involve a few torn muscle or tendon fibers. Loss of strength is minimal, and recovery quite manageable.

Grade 2 strains involve more torn fibers, some loss of strength, and a longer rehab period.

Grade 3 pectoralis strains are rare, painful, debilitating, and can have long-term effects on strength, power, range of motion, and sports performance. In most cases, the muscle will never regain it original strength.


Grade 1 recovery takes a matter of days. You can return to training when the symptoms have disappeared.

Grade 2 recovery is a matter of weeks-approximately 2-6.

Grade 3 complete tears usually require surgery; full recovery takes months.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Surgical rehab for a pectoral reattachment involves ~3 weeks in a sling with passive ROM (range of motion) not being begun until the 3rd week. Progressive ROM and strengthening will occur over a 12-16 week period. However, for example in weight lifting, most surgeons will discourage lifting greater than 50% of the athlete's previous 1 repetition maximum be performed until 6 months post-operative. Furthermore, the use of heavy weighted pec dec and flys are typically avoided for up to 6 months due to the great amount of concentrated stress to the pectoralis major.

Although ~90% of athletes surgically repaired can expect to return to close to 100% of pre-injury level of performance, Mario is unlikely to reach that level earlier than 6 months following his repair.

EDIT: For anyone interested, here is a very good VIDEO that demonstrates Mario's injury and one of the most common techniques used in its repair. (BTW, any signs of blood are absent in the making of this video)
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amazing80 said:
Wasn't he listed on the injury list with a chest injury?
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From 3 days ago.

badboy said:
is Mallett's issue a bruise or muscle tear? Does it impact distance throws? Hopefully Terrence is out. Also, I thought I heard Foster was on practice field today? Hopefully, Blue's performance boosts Arian's return.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
We aren't given any specifics on Mallet.............how and if it effects his performance depends on is it muscle strain, muscle or bone (rib is part of chest) bruise........left or right side of chest?? The only scenario I see truly affecting his performance would be a significant pectoralis major muscle tear on his right (throwing) side......and you would have expected to have seen some signs of that before the last game's end.........which I saw no evidence of.
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Even with a Grade I pec tear, rest and rehab must continue until all symptoms (especially soreness) is entirely gone.........only then should any stress be placed on the muscle.

The success rate of treatment is dependent on one of the key components of treatment...........that the patient rests sufficiently from any activity that increases their pain until they are symptom free. Activities which place large amounts of stress through the pectorals (in Mallet's case throwing) should be avoided. Resting from aggravating activities ensures that the body can begin the healing process in the absence of further tissue damage. Once the patient can perform these activities pain free, a gradual return to these activities is indicated provided there is no increase in symptoms. Ignoring symptoms or adopting a "no pain, no gain" attitude is likely to lead to the problem becoming chronic. Immediate, appropriate treatment in patients with a pectoral strain is essential to ensure a speedy recovery. Once the condition is chronic, healing slows significantly resulting in markedly increased recovery times (weeks to months) and an increased likelihood of future recurrence.

Mallet missed no practices which tells me that his symptoms likely had not subsided before he was allowed to "ease" into activity. Furthermore, if an MRI was not obtained after last week's game, it would not be surprising that the extent of the injury was underestimated initially as well. For whatever reason, it appears that his tear has extended during this game to a more severe Grade.
 
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It's a curse. The football gods have cursed us and there's nothing we can do about it. First we endure decades of Bud Adams, then we get the Texans which nobody liked the name at first, and now we find it doesn't matter who our QB is, he will be injured soon enough.

I give up. The universe should implode right now. We all suck in hell and it's not even December yet. :pissed:
 
speedfreek said:
Well, Hell!

I'm in on Savage against the Tits and Jags.

He will never have a weaker set of opponents to face..
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He'll yeh. I would rather give savage some playing time and see what he has and lose than trot out the beard who has zero future here or anywhere for that matter.
 
Playoffs said:
How do the team doctors put a QB out there with a torn pectoral? Good god. Now he's likely out for the season.
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Well, either our team doctor's are very stupid and just follow orders, or Mallet lied to them about the extent of his injury. I can't think of any two other explanations.
 
Vance87 said:
Well it's not a Grade 3, no way he could throw with that. Hoping it's at worst a mild Grade 2?
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You're probably correct that it's not a Grade 3.......but you can throw a football (especially with someone with the arm strength of Mallet) using only your triceps. If the arm is elevated and almost or totally extended straight up, and the throwing motion is from the elbow (a high release as what Mallet has), you can get that ball out pretty well. However, with no pec, the left side of the field is going to result in a compromised throw (unless the entire body is exaggeratingly turned to the left), because a pec is required to fire across the body.

I'm concerned having played an entire game with even an unrehabbed Grade I, it will likely have extended the tear to beyond "mild" Grade II.
 
Vance87 said:
I doubt it's torn. That's pretty serious and guys go down in the middle of games with torn pecs.
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There seems to be no doubt that it's torn. Furthermore, he was probably numbed up nicely and given an anti-inflammatory like Toradol...........which probably masked some of his pain, allowing him to play through his injury.......thus contributing to him extending the tear. Like I've said before, pain is your body telling you that something isn't right.........and it's not going to get any "righter" by playing through it.
 
Playoffs said:
How do the team doctors put a QB out there with a torn pectoral? Good god. Now he's likely out for the season.
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It's not like they can see the muscles dangling from the bone. Kid hadn't thrown that many times in such a short period they probably thought it was "regular" soreness. He probably told them it was worse today so they're going to do the MRI to see what they are dealing with.

The only thing they've got to go by is what Mallett tells them.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There seems to be no doubt that it's torn. Furthermore, he was probably numbed up nicely and given an anti-inflammatory like Toradol...........which probably masked some of his pain, allowing him to play through his injury.......thus contributing to him extending the tear. Like I've said before, pain is your body telling you that something isn't right.........and it's not going to get any "righter" by playing through it.
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I meant torn all the way, ala Mario Williams or the Bengals guy today.

Basically not a Grade 3 requiring surgery.
 
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