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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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Nitrofish said:
This is nonsense. You do not go from holdout to lawsuit, but you can bet your sweet bippy if negotiations do not resolve the dispute it will eventually go to court. If Dre refuses to play, and then refused to return money that has been paid to him, he will indeed be sued to recover the money.

The point is they do not want it to come to legal action. They want to convince him the best thing to do is give them one more season, and they will promise to try to do all they can to trade him, or release him next season so he can pursue his personal goals.

Here are a few examples:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3373026
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...a-grievance-workout-bonuses-patriots/2703989/
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You are looking more and more like that pigeon with every post.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Would there be a more fitting trade destination for him than Oakland? Would be poetic.
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If Andre was holding out for a trade (which I don't think he is), I am sure Oakland would be a place he doesn't want to go. I believe since he is a 10+ year vested player he has right of refusal for one team.

If we were to look at the teams that have cap space to take on his $10m salary right now on face value:

Jax, Cleveland, NYJ, Cincy, Tenn, Philly, Indy, Pitt, Miami, GB, Ari, Tampa, and Oakland.

I would image there is only a select few in that group that AJ would want to play for. Sure other teams with less than $10m in cap space can re-work other players or release some players to make the room to get AJ.

And back to my point of this being about money, a trade would only hurt AJ. The only way it would be beneficial is if the new team re-works his contract to give him some guaranteed money. The new team could get AJ in the trade, leave his contract as is, then cut him after one season with zero consequences in terms of the cap. Then he is back on the market, about to turn 34, which he would likely get 30-35% of what he was making in Houston.

I honestly think AJ just wants a little more guaranteed money now before he is let go.
 
This thread summed up in a gif:

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xtruroyaltyx said:
The way NFL contracts are structured, holding out is the only leverage the players have.

If Andre was truly in breach of his contract the Texans would be taking legal action. Andre is doing what his contract and CBA allows.
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Yep

And AJ loses that leverage when McNair tells AJ to sit out the season and enjoy losing the 10 mil he's garunteed. One thing is for sure is that Bobby Mac is a businessman 1st and foremost. AJ better hope that McNair doesn't see AJ sitting out this yr as the prudent business thing to do.
 
Nitrofish said:
You are being hypocritical DB because you have commented plenty of times where you should have practiced what you are preaching.
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Be careful with the hypocrisy blast, man. You can easily be judged by the same standards that you judge anyone else. And to be quite honest, your opinion of me does not mean much in my life.

The difference between you and I is that I do not take this story personally and I do not take it to a very immature level of stupidity. No offense, as I honestly enjoy most of your posts, but the absurdity that you have gone to in this one is beyond goofy and takes it to some place unfamiliar to me.

I do not choose sides. This is business. Nothing more. That you would disparage a man's character over it says more about you than anything else, especially when it's a player that has been nothing but positive for this franchise for his entire career.

I see both sides. If I'm the Texans, AJ has two choices: 1) retire, or, 2) play for the Texans.

As for AJ, we do not know what's in his heart and head, and he has not made clear what this all about. We can speculate that it is 1) contemplating retirement, 2) more money, 3) wants to be traded.

Does a mufti-billion dollar entertainment corporation truly deserve your unrelenting and unyielding loyalty? What the eff do you care what a company and its employee chooses to do? Is your life so vapid and void of meaningful significance that a story like this turns you from a pretty cool guy to a complete douche? You tell me, man. I'm not the one ranting and raving like a dumbass about a subject that does not personally effect me in any sort of way.
 
cbs1507 said:
Can you read? I did not interpret fine to mean a player has a right to hold out. The simple fact is rights are already yours, they're not given to you by a document. Point blank.



The CBA does not give anyone any rights to do anything. It's literally the Constitution of the NFL. The constitution is a way of securing them. All corporations have them. It is the bylaws/regulations, or code of conduct if you will. If you know any about a constitution you know it does not give you any rights. The rights are already in existence. If there is no specific language restricting a right, it is in effect by default. There is no specific language saying a player cannot holdout. In fact, there is a specific clause that allows for changes to be made to an agreed upon contract. If you pay attention to the wording it is very clear that NFL contracts are volatile not stationary as many of you seem to think. At the end of the day a player will do what's best for himself (and if that includes happiness and winning etc then it is well within their right use any resources available even if that means a holdout), just as the team will do what's best for themselves (you know like cut a player that signed that sacred contract you guys speak about). All this other BS posters such as yourself are posting about "loyalty, honor, do it for the team" is for the birds. This is a business.
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Contracts are governed by Contract Law, not the NFL Constitution. You are free to enter into any LEGAL agreement under terms acceptable to each party. The union is just a body representing a group of players in those negotiations. Enforcement provisions, like laws do not grant rights or privileges, they simply detail penalties.

Choosing to violate the contract because the penalties aren't severe is like those that pile up parking tickets in New York rather than find a legal parking place. They are still breaking the law, whether they can afford it or not.
 
ObsiWan said:
Actually the glass is completely full; half with water the other half with air.
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Of course you are assuming you are in Standard Atmospheric conditions. That same glass in space or a vacuum would be half full of water, but without the "air."

But then it would probably be "boiling" over when exposed to such a vacuum.
 
I honestly believe that Andre saw what happened to Owen Daniels and Daniel Manning and just wants some kind of security from the team. I don't think he wants to come out and say that but IMHO he just wants to be sure that he wont be cut and forced off the team for being old. I think he just wants to control his own destiny at this point in his career.
 
Marshall said:
Of course you are assuming you are in Standard Atmospheric conditions. That same glass in space or a vacuum would be half full of water, but without the "air."

But then it would probably be "boiling" over when exposed to such a vacuum.
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True. Technically, in vacuum conditions, it would still be full of water and water vapor. But only if the temp was warm enough to keep the liquid from transitioning into ice.

/science nerd moment.
:D
 
ObsiWan said:
True. Technically, in vacuum conditions, it would still be full of water and water vapor. But only if the temp was warm enough to keep the liquid from transitioning into ice.

/science nerd moment.
:D
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I love REAL science when it isn't politicized.
 
Nitrofish said:
Yes, you contradicted yourself. In one post you said it was his right to hold out because the way the CBA was worded, then you said the CBA does not give rights. And went on to say some nonsense about by just existing you have rights to do whatever you want.

It is a strategy he can employ as a last resort, but it is not his right under the CBA, or there would be no fines for exercising such a right.

"Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory. Rights are of essential importance in such disciplines as law and ethics, especially theories of justice and deontology."

link
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You may have come to that conclusion, but I never said it was his right because of the CBA. Nor did say that nonsense in your second sentence. You seem to like twisting words, or perhaps you genuinely misunderstand.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The way NFL contracts are structured, holding out is the only leverage the players have.

If Andre was truly in breach of his contract the Texans would be taking legal action. Andre is doing what his contract and CBA allows.
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Andre IS truly in breech of his contract. The Texans ARE utilizing the penalties provided for this type of breech. They will not void the contract until it is in their interest to do so. THEY have not violated the contract, AJ has.
 
cbs1507 said:
Let me reiterate what I said in a earlier post. Contract, CBA's etc do not give anybody rights. The rights are your by virtue of you being in existence. You can only willingly give up rights (usually for a perceived benefit) or not speak up when they are encroached upon. Andre is just exercising a right, which has never been conceded. They may have agreed upon fine schedule for exercising it, but it was never relinquished. Point blank.
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You really don't understand contracts, do you. You describe behavior, not Contracts. People violate contracts and laws all the time. They are still in violation of those things. There are consequences. But detailing a consequence is does not make it OK to do.
 
Marshall said:
You really don't understand contracts, do you. You describe behavior, not Contracts. People violate contracts and laws all the time. They are still in violation of those things. There are consequences. But detailing a consequence is does not make it OK to do.
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Have you seen the terms of Andre Johnson's contract "Mr. Expert"? How exactly did he violate it? Are you even aware of the fundamental parts of a valid contract?

I'm just speaking fundamentally when I say your rights existed before you signed a contract. The fact that you were able to even sign that contract in the first place should be enough proof.
 
Double Barrel said:
Be careful with the hypocrisy blast, man. You can easily be judged by the same standards that you judge anyone else. And to be quite honest, your opinion of me does not mean much in my life.

The difference between you and I is that I do not take this story personally and I do not take it to a very immature level of stupidity. No offense, as I honestly enjoy most of your posts, but the absurdity that you have gone to in this one is beyond goofy and takes it to some place unfamiliar to me.

I do not choose sides. This is business. Nothing more. That you would disparage a man's character over it says more about you than anything else, especially when it's a player that has been nothing but positive for this franchise for his entire career.

I see both sides. If I'm the Texans, AJ has two choices: 1) retire, or, 2) play for the Texans.

As for AJ, we do not know what's in his heart and head, and he has not made clear what this all about. We can speculate that it is 1) contemplating retirement, 2) more money, 3) wants to be traded.

Does a mufti-billion dollar entertainment corporation truly deserve your unrelenting and unyielding loyalty? What the eff do you care what a company and its employee chooses to do? Is your life so vapid and void of meaningful significance that a story like this turns you from a pretty cool guy to a complete douche? You tell me, man. I'm not the one ranting and raving like a dumbass about a subject that does not personally effect me in any sort of way.
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I am not so self absorbed that I cannot admit to being hypocritical at times, and anyone who does deny it quite frankly is being dishonest. I am aware that there are those who will judge me as harshly, or possibly worse. But like you, I am not to concerned about it, nor will I lose any sleep over it. After all, they are just opinions on a message board where we discuss such things. So let's keep it in perspective.

I have to laugh though when you use ad hominem attacks by calling me names and then say things like, "no offense" or that you are not taking things personally. Clearly you are taking it personally or you would not respond in such a manner. And to say after all of years you have been here, and all of the absurd things you have read, that what I have said regarding this topic is "the absurdity that you have gone to in this one is beyond goofy and takes it to some place unfamiliar to me" we both know is nothing but hyperbole. Which also suggests that this is personal with you, and not based on a rational position regarding the topic being discussed, because once again you are focused on me, rather than the points that were made.

You spent your first two paragraphs disparaging my character, and then in your third paragraph go on to tell me how to "disparage a man's character over it says more about you than anything else". Does that seem at all hypocritical to you?

I do enjoy most of your posts too, and I like you, but we are bound to eventually disagree, and the way we handle it defines our character. I do not believe I have ever disparaged your character like you have mine, even when I disagreed with your opinion. When people do that sort of thing, you can bet it's personal.

You went on to say;

... If I'm the Texans, AJ has two choices: 1) retire, or, 2) play for the Texans.
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On that we can agree. But then you continued on with more disparaging remarks concerning my vapid, and void of meaningful significant life, and asking;

What the eff do you care what a company and its employee chooses to do?
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I think the answer is self evident. What do any of us care? Why do any of us, including you post messages on this board? So I can only conclude this is just more angry, personal attacks on my character because you feel slighted somehow from my previous post and want to engage in a pissing contest with me to show me who's boss.

You finish it all up with more nicely placed ad hominem attacks and finally proclaim that the topic does not personally affect you, yet here you are, posting in a thread you do not care about, and disparaging my character and then saying "it's not personal".
 
cbs1507 said:
You may have come to that conclusion, but I never said it was his right because of the CBA. Nor did say that nonsense in your second sentence. You seem to like twisting words, or perhaps you genuinely misunderstand.
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Perhaps I do misunderstand, but I posted your exact quotes, now it's up to the reader to decide if you contradicted yourself or not. My opinion is that you did. No intent, or attempt to twist your words. Perhaps you are not being as clear as you think you are.

Marshall said:
I'm sure. The penalty for premeditated murder can be death, but that doesn't mean murder is acceptable simply because you are willing to pay the penalty. This is extreme but clearly makes my point.
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My comment was not directed at you Marshall, I am in agreement with you. I was directing my comment to cbs1507 because he was contradicting himself in the two posts IMHO.
 
Marshall said:
I've seen the template for NFL contracts described within their master agreement.
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You'll be sure to point out the section where Andre Johnson could be construed to be in material breach of his contract...I'll wait.


Hint: Section 9...and his conduct hasn't risen to a forfeitable breach.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep

And AJ loses that leverage when McNair tells AJ to sit out the season and enjoy losing the 10 mil he's garunteed. One thing is for sure is that Bobby Mac is a businessman 1st and foremost. AJ better hope that McNair doesn't see AJ sitting out this yr as the prudent business thing to do.
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If McNair is a WISE businessman as so many claim then he should be all to happy to dispose of a $10 million salary in 2014, gain over $30 million in salary cap space in 2015 & 2016 and get an extra draft pick on the side. But then again, Bob thinks this team, is a Super Bowl contender.

I know how I would try to come up with the money to pay JJ !?!
 
Nitrofish said:
I am not so self absorbed that I cannot admit to being hypocritical at times, and anyone who does deny it quite frankly is being dishonest. I am aware that there are those who will judge me as harshly, or possibly worse. But like you, I am not to concerned about it, nor will I lose any sleep over it. After all, they are just opinions on a message board where we discuss such things. So let's keep it in perspective.

I have to laugh though when you use ad hominem attacks by calling me names and then say things like, "no offense" or that you are not taking things personally. Clearly you are taking it personally or you would not respond in such a manner. And to say after all of years you have been here, and all of the absurd things you have read, that what I have said regarding this topic is "the absurdity that you have gone to in this one is beyond goofy and takes it to some place unfamiliar to me" we both know is nothing but hyperbole. Which also suggests that this is personal with you, and not based on a rational position regarding the topic being discussed, because once again you are focused on me, rather than the points that were made.

You spent your first two paragraphs disparaging my character, and then in your third paragraph go on to tell me how to "disparage a man's character over it says more about you than anything else". Does that seem at all hypocritical to you?

I do enjoy most of your posts too, and I like you, but we are bound to eventually disagree, and the way we handle it defines our character. I do not believe I have ever disparaged your character like you have mine, even when I disagreed with your opinion. When people do that sort of thing, you can bet it's personal.

You went on to say;



On that we can agree. But then you continued on with more disparaging remarks concerning my vapid, and void of meaningful significant life, and asking;



I think the answer is self evident. What do any of us care? Why do any of us, including you post messages on this board? So I can only conclude this is just more angry, personal attacks on my character because you feel slighted somehow from my previous post and want to engage in a pissing contest with me to show me who's boss.

You finish it all up with more nicely placed ad hominem attacks and finally proclaim that the topic does not personally affect you, yet here you are, posting in a thread you do not care about, and disparaging my character and then saying "it's not personal".
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All that typing and horsesh!t rhetoric just for little ol' me? :rolleyes: What a waste of your time...

Jeesh, man, I'm not the one making the delusional comparison of a football player to Bowe Bergdahl.

That you actually seem to believe this is a logical and sincere comparison says it all, so further attempts to have a rational discussion with you about this specific subject is pointless. I know you will take this the wrong way, but I truly thought you were smarter than this.

BTW, my descriptions were specifically aimed at your perspective in this thread, not at you as a person. I have no beef with you and have enjoyed your perspectives, even in disagreement.

I just think you have abandoned all logic and reasoning on this one because you seem to have some kind of personal vendetta toward Andre Johnson.

Perhaps you are unable to step back and analyze yourself here, but seriously, man, it's just a football game. Nothing life serious here as far as we're concerned.

Heck, the head coach of the football team and AJ's boss is nowhere near as concerned as you seem to be about the situation. I'd bet AJ shows up to training camp and all this is put behind us. AJ has no options except to play football as a Houston Texan or retire. I don't see why you have such a freakin' hard on vengeance for the guy like he stole your girl and kicked your dog.

btw, it's not personal. If you choose to take it that way, perhaps message boards are not for you.
 
disaacks3 said:
You'll be sure to point out the section where Andre Johnson could be construed to be in material breach of his contract...I'll wait.


Hint: Section 9...and his conduct hasn't risen to a forfeitable breach.
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That's not the only thing to consider though. The CBA clearly give each party discretion in negotiating. For example, just because the Texans can impose fines, according to section 9, does not mean that the imposable fine is in the contract, or that it is at the maximum amount. Which is why asked him has he even seen AJ's actual contract in the first place? Obviously, he hasn't read either.
 
Texian said:
If McNair is a WISE businessman as so many claim then he should be all to happy to dispose of a $10 million salary in 2014, gain over $30 million in salary cap space in 2015 & 2016 and get an extra draft pick on the side. But then again, Bob thinks this team, is a Super Bowl contender.

I know how I would try to come up with the money to pay JJ !?!
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Agreed

However, who do you think would be willing to take on that contract? I'm thinking nobody. So Dre' go ahead and sit out the season.
 
I stumbled upon a copy of Foster's contract (it's unsigned so it might not be the final version.) And AJ's contract might read quite differently.

It's a massive headache to go through it, so I really don't suggest anybody to go through it.
But if you like pain, here it is:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1573683/000104746913009713/a2216998zex-10_3.htm

I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen my shares of contratcs.

I don't see anything in the contract that is morally binding.

Similarly, with the Kevin Walter's contract, the Texans organization wasn't morally binded when they terminated it even after Walter had gone to great extent to be honorable.

It's all business; and that was the reason why I often said I don't care much for the business side of football.
 
Nitrofish said:
Are the Texans asking Dre to take a cut in pay?! If true, then everything I had said about Dre will be reversed to the Texans. It's a rumor, but if true it explains a lot.

Great interview with Gil Brandt!

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/18/what-are-the-real-reasons-for-andre-johnsons-holdout/
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Wow, way to leave out that he (Brandt) heard TWO stories.

1st - That Dre wanted to be traded to a contender.

2nd - (in his words from less reputable sources) Dre was asked to take a pay cut.
 
I don't discount it entirely, but I have a hard time figuring out why the Texans would want him to take a cut. Next year, maybe. If they were trying to do a long term deal with JJ it would make some sense.

But they don't need the room this year.
 
disaacks3 said:
Wow, way to leave out that he (Brandt) heard TWO stories.

1st - That Dre wanted to be traded to a contender.

2nd - (in his words from less reputable sources) Dre was asked to take a pay cut.
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I clearly stated it was a rumor, and we have discussed his desire to be traded to a contender ad nauseum, so take a pill. Brandt thought it credible enough to mention it so it cannot be discounted. I asked the question. Could it be true? It's the only angle that has not been covered in here, so it is worth discussing.

I know my opinion of the situation would immediately change if there is any truth to that.
 
disaacks3 said:
Wow, way to leave out that he (Brandt) heard TWO stories.

1st - That Dre wanted to be traded to a contender.

2nd - (in his words from less reputable sources) Dre was asked to take a pay cut.
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All still hear say none of us including that guy know the entire (true) story.

Hell i heard his body was taken over by a species from another planet and they just dont like football. :kitten:
 
I guess we'll just have to wait to see how it plays out.

On another note, just this morning, I stumbled across a piece in which Brandt said that Keenum is perfect for the Texans (it was from last year.)

If you just google Case Keenum Gil Brandt, it should come up.
 
Sooo......, what if we can't work this out with AJ? The general consensus seems to be let him sit or trade him to a team with cap space.

But, what if we traded him to a team for a player/players we need to fill holes on our team? There are several contending teams that don't have enough cap space, but do have some excess talent they might be willing to part with. That fills AJ's desire to play for a contender, fills some holes on our team & gives the contending team an elite veteran WR that could put them over the top.

Since the salaries could be matched up to make it work, what players do you think we could get in exchange for AJ?

Would you trade AJ for Vernon Davis as the core pieces of a trade? AJ for Mallett & pieces? What would Kubiak be willing to give up for AJ? Who do you think could offer us the right package & what would that package be?
 
Hottoddie said:
Sooo......, what if we can't work this out with AJ? The general consensus seems to be let him sit or trade him to a team with cap space.

But, what if we traded him to a team for a player/players we need to fill holes on our team? There are several contending teams that don't have enough cap space, but do have some excess talent they might be willing to part with. That fills AJ's desire to play for a contendor, fills some holes on our team & gives the contending team an elite veteran WR that could put them over the top.

Since the salaries could be matched up to make it work, what players do you think we could get in exchange for AJ?

Would you trade AJ for Vernon Davis as the core pieces of a trade? AJ for Mallett & pieces? What would Kubiak be willing to give up for AJ? Who do you think could offer us the right package & what would that package be?
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Vernon Davis is also holding out at the moment.

I have no idea what he's looking for, money wise.

Mallett, IMO, has no added value over our guys.
 
76Texan said:
Vernon Davis is also holding out at the moment.

I have no idea what he's looking for, money wise.

Mallett, IMO, has no added value over our guys.
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Davis is making ~$6 million & wants more. We should be able to give him more & still stay within our budget. The fact that he's so much yonger than AJ makes this an acceptable risk in my opinion.

Correction: He's only 2-1/2 years younger.
 
Hottoddie said:
Davis is making ~$6 million & wants more. We should be able to give him more & still stay within our budget. The fact that he's so much yonger than AJ makes this an acceptable risk in my opinion.

Correction: He's only 2-1/2 years younger.
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It will make our TE Corp much much stronger, but how are we going to find a decent replacement for AJ , I mean just to balance it out.

Is OB "crazy" enough to go with a 3 - TE set a majority of the time?
 
Nitrofish said:
Are the Texans asking Dre to take a cut in pay?! If true, then everything I had said about Dre will be reversed to the Texans. It's a rumor, but if true it explains a lot.

Great interview with Gil Brandt!

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/18/what-are-the-real-reasons-for-andre-johnsons-holdout/
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It's a rumor that has been floated for awhile. Ted Johnson has been speculating that the team asked him to take a cut for a month now, mostly based on this possible scenario being the only one that makes sense considering AJ's history.

And both the team and the player are too classy (and private) to air this dirty laundry (or any of the details of their conversations or potential negotiations).

fwiw, Travis Johnson said yesterday that he talks with AJ all the time, and emphatically stated yesterday that this is not about more money or a trade. He also stressed that it's just business and that AJ would be at camp. He said AJ and O'Brien are on good terms, so it might be a Rick Smith thing in trying to clear space for a future JJ contract.

These are just thoughts of former players (and one being a friend of AJ), so just food for thought to the conversation.

If this is the case, you'd think AJ would show up and just refuse to take a cut, which is what might happen come August.
 
76Texan said:
It will make our TE Corp much much stronger, but how are we going to find a decent replacement for AJ , I mean just to balance it out.

Is OB "crazy" enough to go with a 3 - TE set a majority of the time?
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Here's a crazy thought, why not move Davis to WR? He's got the speed & at 250lbs., imagine a 190lb CB trying to tackle him. It wouldn't be pretty.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed

However, who do you think would be willing to take on that contract? I'm thinking nobody. So Dre' go ahead and sit out the season.
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You never know, who'd of thought a team would've traded a 1 for Trent Richardson. It only takes 1 team to pull the trigger. My guess is Philly. AJ would make them the prohibitive favorite to win the NFC East and go deep in the playoffs with home field advantage. If you say it will never happen, never try, then it never will.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's a rumor that has been floated for awhile. Ted Johnson has been speculating that the team asked him to take a cut for a month now, mostly based on this possible scenario being the only one that makes sense considering AJ's history.

And both the team and the player are too classy (and private) to air this dirty laundry (or any of the details of their conversations or potential negotiations).

fwiw, Travis Johnson said yesterday that he talks with AJ all the time, and emphatically stated yesterday that this is not about more money or a trade. He also stressed that it's just business and that AJ would be at camp. He said AJ and O'Brien are on good terms, so it might be a Rick Smith thing in trying to clear space for a future JJ contract.

These are just thoughts of former players (and one being a friend of AJ), so just food for thought to the conversation.

If this is the case, you'd think AJ would show up and just refuse to take a cut, which is what might happen come August.
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Wow, I thought I had read this entire thread, and I did not see any mention of it, and I do not listen to sports talk radio. Way too annoying most of the time to enjoy.

I had said previously in this thread that this is out of character for AJ and that there is possibly more to this than meets the eye, so when I heard that rumor for the first time in the Gil Brandt interview it made sense because AJ has been the consummate professional, when he easily could have gone anywhere he desired before he was extended.

Having said that though, why did he then say what he did to the media? If what Travis Johnson suggests is true that it's not about money or a trade, and it's not about a pay cut, then the only thing left is retirement, right? But if that were true why not just retire, why speak to the media? That is the part that has me confused.
 
Nitrofish said:
Wow, I thought I had read this entire thread, and I did not see any mention of it, and I do not listen to sports talk radio. Way too annoying most of the time to enjoy.

I had said previously in this thread that this is out of character for AJ and that there is possibly more to this than meets the eye, so when I heard that rumor for the first time in the Gil Brandt interview it made sense because AJ has been the consummate professional, when he easily could have gone anywhere he desired before he was extended.

Having said that though, why did he then say what he did to the media? If what Travis Johnson suggests is true that it's not about money or a trade, and it's not about a pay cut, then the only thing left is retirement, right? But if that were true why not just retire, why speak to the media? That is the part that has me confused.
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He loses a lot of money if he retires, i am sure that plays a role in him not just retiring.

AJ will be back before the season and then everything will seem right in the world again. And this will all be forgotten after we win the superbowl with a 4th round rookie ;)
 
Nitrofish said:
Wow, I thought I had read this entire thread, and I did not see any mention of it, and I do not listen to sports talk radio. Way too annoying most of the time to enjoy.

I had said previously in this thread that this is out of character for AJ and that there is possibly more to this than meets the eye, so when I heard that rumor for the first time in the Gil Brandt interview it made sense because AJ has been the consummate professional, when he easily could have gone anywhere he desired before he was extended.

Having said that though, why did he then say what he did to the media? If what Travis Johnson suggests is true that it's not about money or a trade, and it's not about a pay cut, then the only thing left is retirement, right? But if that were true why not just retire, why speak to the media? That is the part that has me confused.
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Good questions, man. It really is a bizarre situation based on AJ's history. And the recent comments from his uncle do not help the matter. He should probably ask that dude to stifle it. With AJ's comments a couple of months ago, I'd like to hear the full interview to see how the question was phrased. We know the media can spin things, so was he asked specific question(s) and his replies were presented out of that context?

I never mentioned the possible scenario of a pay cut because Ted Johnson always said it was speculation on his part. Just like us, he cannot figure out what is going on, because the majority of the time, the player makes it known what he wants when he does not participate. And like us, Ted Johnson can only speculate because both sides are keeping their cards close and this sit-out is not AJ's usual M.O.

I know what you mean about sports talk radio. I avoid a lot of it, but some shows do have value. Greg Koch and N.D. Kalu's show is solid because both are former NFL players and give you their insight (as well as educate people about the pro game itself). And Ted Johnson is another former player with solid pedigree (three rings with the Patriots) and has been excellent on filling people in about Romeo Crennel's defense.
 
Hottoddie said:
Here's a crazy thought, why not move Davis to WR? He's got the speed & at 250lbs., imagine a 190lb CB trying to tackle him. It wouldn't be pretty.
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One very good thing is that Davis has no history of injuries..........although last December, TJ McDonald [a rather tall 6'3" safety (but only 205 pounds)] tried to change that by attempting to break off one of Davis' very important appendages. Fortunately, the appendage was quite flexible and despite becoming somewhat bruised, remained fully intact.

Vernon Davis Tackled By His D!*k

Rams safety T.J. McDonald took down 49ers tight end Vernon Davis by grabbing on to whatever he could. "Whatever he could" happened to include Davis's crotch.

After having his d!*k and/or balls squeezed, Davis naturally took a second to regain himself, as a guy would. The FOX injury music as we all realize Davis didn't suffer a season-ending injury is a little funny, although having your d!*k squeezed definitely isn't.
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Whats up with all this Davis talk, from the looks of it you would think he was on the texans, i wish ! I had to check espn just to make sure i didnt miss some big trade news or something.....
 
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