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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Only have from Texans homers who really don't understand the game. Anyone with a mild NFL football IQ could understand that Yates was just a guy out there taking snaps, handing the ball off, and making check down throws. There is no one outside of Houston that looks at that season and actually credits Yates for taking the Texans anywhere that season. Only the people from Houston who has a ton of hopes.
That trade actually makes some sense. I'd do it too.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yeah, and then we can go into this never ending saga where Schaub is in and out of the dog house.
What a lot of you fail to realize is that the Texans are at that point where they need to hit rock bottom again. Doing anything in the playoff is out of the question now or even making the playoffs if Schaub is starting. We literally need Schaub to totally screw up again to get him out of there finally for a few weeks at least. That is the only way we can see what other guys can do under this handicap HC we have. If Schaub starts having little bits of success all that does is prolong the search to find our new guy and Gary jumps on his jock again and that just makes it easier to refuse to try someone else.
If it comes down to it, I'll start rooting for the Texans to lose again so we can get another QB in there again. Until Schaub is gone or on the bench this team is incapable of going anywhere.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Why are people wanting Cousins? What has done or proven? NOthing at all other then a good regular season game or two when the Skins were really hot I might add. RG3 who is struggling right now won a ton of games in a row with that same team.
Cousins is another version of Schaub to me with more mobility but not a lot more. I figured people at this point would finally want to take some time to find that next big thing instead of looking for all of these hopeless stop gap guys that Kubiak would likely latch onto for several years before even dreaming of drafting a solid passer who can sling it. QB is to important to settle in this day and age.
Cousins is another version of Schaub to me with more mobility but not a lot more. I figured people at this point would finally want to take some time to find that next big thing instead of looking for all of these hopeless stop gap guys that Kubiak would likely latch onto for several years before even dreaming of drafting a solid passer who can sling it. QB is to important to settle in this day and age.
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htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions:
"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."
:kubepalm: :wadepalm: :vincepalm: 
"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."
:kubepalm: :wadepalm: :vincepalm: 
PapaL
Loose Screw
Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions:
"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."
I heard it too lol
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
So Andre basically told Matt that if he throws an interception to Finnegan, it won't be Finnegan who gets an ass whoopin.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well then people wouldn't have to stretch for a new insult and could call him just a backup also.
Well he just threw 2 more including a pick 6. That is 14 on the season.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
And you know what, I would agree 100% with you if Gary Kubiak was not the head coach of the Texans. Mariota and Boyd would be absolutely handcuffed in Kubiaks system because of how Kubiak handles QBs. Kubiak would not use their talents to help shape the offense. instead he would try and force them to be players they are not.
To have those 2 QB's on a team, you need a creative mind to structure an offense around their talents. Kubiak is so far on the other side of that spectrum, creativity is a dot in the distance to him...
Cousins is more of the QB Kubiak likes for the West Coast Offense. I will say Cousins has a far more upside than Schaub ever had coming out of college and into the draft..
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Just a joke, pal.
insert the name of whatever St. Louis CB is starting in place if it makes you feel more correct lol
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I heard Andre is going to be a game time decision (hamstring) as well, so he may not play this Sunday...not to be Debbie downer or anything.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Make that three more for a total of 15 and the Giants are 0-6.
silvrhand
All Pro
Last one was definitely not his fault, hit the receiver in the hands.. The first one was interesting, almost like the receiver quit on the route.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Kubiak would lose the locker room. Either way, I don't see how Schaub remains the starter next season. Smith has seen enough.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
This.
As much as I'd love a magical turn around to go 13-3 from here on out, I'm almost afraid that it would lead to Schaub staying.
Sigma
Veteran
I always wondered about this:
let's say Schaub gets it together and we go the playoffs (even playing a bad season overall) and then, just like last year ravens, he just manage to play well enough to win us a superbowl
Then the next year we are back at this point, with people questioning kubiak and schaub because in the end matt's game is not that good anyway.
Looking back would you rather have the bad season with the SB or maybe taking the time to improve the team to get more consistency?
Keep in mind I'm not looking on a opinion on schaub himself, my question is more about a generic team with a QB that performs poorly.
let's say Schaub gets it together and we go the playoffs (even playing a bad season overall) and then, just like last year ravens, he just manage to play well enough to win us a superbowl
Then the next year we are back at this point, with people questioning kubiak and schaub because in the end matt's game is not that good anyway.
Looking back would you rather have the bad season with the SB or maybe taking the time to improve the team to get more consistency?
Keep in mind I'm not looking on a opinion on schaub himself, my question is more about a generic team with a QB that performs poorly.
Read the all encompassing Schaub thread from start to finish. That's really the underlying question. Trust me, none of us care that much about Schaub personally.... it's about winning a Super Bowl.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Superbowl!!! No doubt about it. If we know we can win one with Schaub, why risk it and take a chance on a new QB?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I guess you missed my post in the Injury Report thread that the "hamstring" report is apparently misinformation...............http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2226836&postcount=9
Found this picture on chron.com
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
And what do you think the Giants should do? Bench Eli? Stick with him?
Sigma
Veteran
thank you, this really answer my question.
I guess I'd have to be american to fully understand this.
I wouldn't have thought it was an American thing.
A Super Bowl championship is the ultimate goal. Regardless how bad things get after we win a Championship we could always say, "We won it in 2013." We'll be like Cowboy fans.
But it's all about truly being a contender. Some believe with Schaub we're not a true contender. We may get to the Super Bowl & lose with Schaub & they'll opine that we never really had a chance. They'll be happy if we win, even give Matt some kudos.
I see their point. We can point to Andre & say he gives us a chance to win. Regardless what his stats are, or how "injury prone" he might be. If he's playing in the Super Bowl he gives us a chance to win it. Arian, he could be averaging 3.8 ypc, but he gives us a chance to win. Even Ben Tate with his fumblitus.... if he's in the game, he gives us a chance to win.
Most of us don't feel that way about Schaub. Some of that is taking what he does bring to the team for granted. We didn't win 12 games last year in spite of Schaub. We won in Denver & in Jacksonville largely because of Matt Schaub.
I don't know the numbers exactly but I feel that we're more likely to lose than not if we're down by 3 with the ball in his hands.
Sigma
Veteran
yeah maybe it's not an american thing, but it sure would help me to see the importance of it
as things are now I would rather have a beautiful season a good playoff run and then go out to an other very good team with "honor" than playing a bad season with win like in san diego and then go to the playoffs and go on for luck maybe win a SB but having the sensation that the team overall is not even an average one
But this is probably because I watch football for fun, and having to suffer all season long is not that appealing to me. and then, even if we win the SB, I wouldn't have anyone to celebrate that with.
except this forum of course, but you can understand how different would be to celebrate in a roaring crowd :P
yeah maybe it's not an american thing, but it sure would help me to see the importance of it
as things are now I would rather have a beautiful season a good playoff run and then go out to an other very good team with "honor" than playing a bad season with win like in san diego and then go to the playoffs and go on for luck maybe win a SB but having the sensation that the team overall is not even an average one
But this is probably because I watch football for fun, and having to suffer all season long is not that appealing to me. and then, even if we win the SB, I wouldn't have anyone to celebrate that with.
What you're talking about is the last two years. I'd take another season like that, but would rather we get to the AFC Championship game & win.
Baltimore & Atlanta took those baby steps, Baltimore got the trophy. But some teams like Green Bay & New Orleans went from eh..... to Champions. Coming into this season we had every reason to believe we could win a Championship as long as a certain someone took a tiny step in the right direction. Instead it appears he's taken a giant stumble in the wrong direction.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I would have to politely disagree. I think that the Kubiak/ Shanahan version of the west coast offense needs an athletic QB to run it. Sell the hard play action and have the ability to get to the corner on a roll out/ bootleg. Jake Plummer comes to mind first, not the greatest QB but he was succesful in this system because he could use his legs.
Kubiak IMO has had to morph his offense to fit those things that Schaub can't do, so i believe Kubiak is only working with a fraction of the plays he would prefer to call. I think Koobs is stubborn at times, but he is a great offensive mind. He needs to implement a blocking scheme like Chicago was using where the 3 interior lineman take one solid step forward on pass plays and give Schaub that extra half second and a more defined pocket.
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I still hold fast to my belief that the shoddy line play is mostly accountable for the offensive struggles, and it has magnified Schaubs deficiencies
BullNation4Life
All Pro
So by what you just said about Koods having to morph is offense to fit Schaub and needing an athletic QB, why has Koobs not found a QB to run HIS offense the way he wants it ran? There have been plenty out there. For example, we all saw how TJ Yates ( not saying he is the answer) could run with his feet, yet he still sits behind a QB that Koobs had to change his offense around...
Is Yates just that bad, couldn't Yates be a Jake Plummer like QB in Kubiak's system, and yet Kubiak still wants the bigger QB to run his offense. I think Plummer was Shannahan's choice and Kubiak had to fit his play calling around him. Now that Kubiak is in charge, he can do it the way he wants, and it seems he wants the bigger, less mobile QB to run the show.
Cousins is far more athletic than Schaub ever has been, ergo I think he would be absolutely great in this offense, because he has what Kubiak wants in his QBs, while the other athletic QBs, Manziel, Boyd, Moriata would be absolutely wasted in this system, not because they couldn't do it but because of how Kubiak likes to run his offense.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Only thing I can think of is that Kubiak is loyal to a flaw and had a tough time seperating the feelings from tough football decisions. I think its been a progressive decline for Schaub compounded by injury and a subpar offensive line that has culminated in the present day dilemma. Schaub wasn't the statue he is now when the team traded for him so i wouldn't be so quick to toss out superlatives like Cousins is "more mobile than Svhsub ever was" because it wasn't always like that.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I tend to agree with you. I think that we all think about this so much while we try to figure out what the problem is and we're probably just over thinking it. Gary has exactly the kind of QB he wants in Schaub. If he wanted a mobile, athletic guy he'd have gotten one. Schaub did not come cheap in hindsight. A pair of 2's isn't cheap. The Texans went after him not because he was the only choice available or a bargain but because Schaub was exactly what Gary wanted. We see a big oafish looking guy who can't run. Gary sees a big guy who stands tall in the pocket and won't go doing stupid **** like running. No "Schaub-o-Copter" plays coming from Matt. He can be trusted not to try and do too much because well, he really can't do too much.
There have been plenty of opportunities to try someone else. Rosenfels just about outplayed Schaub in many peoples eyes a few times and it didn't matter (and I was never a Sage fan and am not suggesting he was necessarily the better QB. I'm suggestion that in hindsight he might have been) Gary never took the bait because he has exactly what he wants right here in Gomer Pyle.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Fitting your scheme around the talents of your player, or finding a guy who can manage your system. Seems Kubiak is more drunk on his system than anything else. This is a slow, plodding offense that belongs in the hey-day of the wco. Someone please tell Gary he needs some more speed to take the top off the defense and stretch the field. Audibles are essential too. It's 2013 going on 2014 Kubes.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I tried to find tape from 2009, but bootube only had Schaubs 2011 reel and even then he had more bounce in his step. The Lis Franc injury ends careers and Schaub will probably be added to that list. Kubiak was hoping his buddy ol pal was able to make a full recovery and it hasn't materialized and the end is near.
kingtexan
All Pro
So does throwing over your receiver, and behind your receiver, and at their feet, and not being able to throw over 30 yards, and not having any velocity on the out routes, and ...
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
If you can't use both of your feet to plant and drive the ball then all of the things you mentioned will happen.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Guess we can strap a jugs machine on Schaub's back to get the ball to them. Otherwise, the WR would have to come back to the ball after taking the top off the D
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Yeah, speed plus a qb that can make all the throws. I was watching Cutler zip the ball around last night and was jealous. Never been jealous of Cutler before.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yup. I might dry heave, but I'd toss Rivers and Romo in the Cutler group too. They haven't shown the best decision making in the past either, but they can spin it
Good grief, I'm desperate.
*BTW, since you mentioned the game last night. I absolutely love Kyle Long's game. The dude's mean as heck, knows what he's doing, doing it very well and he's only a rookie.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I know you've answered a response to this already but to give some perspective, I'm almost 50 years old. I started watching the Oilers in 1971 (lots of Radio back then since the Oilers were always blacked out at home). In my lifetime I've never seen my home team participate in the ultimate game. Now I'm going on a deathwatch. Do the Texans get into the SB before I die? Perhaps we should start a pool.
Did you ever like Schaub?
I don't think anyone here ever really liked Schaub, I didn't. I thought he could get the job done & he's proven himself to be a good starter in this league.
If he can shake what's ailing him, I still think we can win with Matt Schaub.
If you look at Rivers' career over the last two years, the argument could have been made that it was past time to move on. I'm sure there were Charger fans who thought exactly that. Now... he looks like a gamer again.
For me, the only thing that's really changed is that I hope Kubiak tries harder to find a Schaub replacement in the future. No more second day picks or UDFAs...... get someone with talent in here. Not Matt Lienart, Rex Grossman kind of talent. But I'd like to see Josh Freeman, or Christian Ponder brought in for a looksie.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
Really good read.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Perfect solution...........modify athletic wear............
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I miss you Dewey!
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I've heard it referred to as "The Quicksand" ... No matter how much harder you fight, you keep sinking.
Great perspective by Sage, and it STILL doesn't seem like he's fully over The Rosencopter.
He did get screwed in Minny when all signs pointed to him as the starter and here comes Old Man Favre to take away his opportunity.
Great perspective by Sage, and it STILL doesn't seem like he's fully over The Rosencopter.
He did get screwed in Minny when all signs pointed to him as the starter and here comes Old Man Favre to take away his opportunity.