Vinny
shiny happy fan
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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread
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JCTexan
Hall of Fame
That is what the stem of his problems are (IMO). Schaub has lost confidence in himself and he's trying to be too sure with his passes, which is leading to him hesitating and staring down his receivers. When you do that NFL DB's can easily read it and jump the route.
Its his velocity that's making his decision making and accuracy - the two things he's done well over the course of his career .... look poor.
Then again ,I wouldn't expect someone who only comes here to argue to comprehend or understand.
When he had greater velocity he could make the throws he's getting picked on today ....
Come on Breh ... go watch the tapes.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
that's just not true at all. Schaub has actually had accuracy and ball placement problems his entire tenure. he consitently throws behind his receivers, constantly under throws them, and rarely hits wideouts in stride.
That's why you always see owen daniels having to make crazy catches at balls thrown at his feet. Just look at deandre hopkins and some of the catches he had to make, he had to go to the ground diving. I havent looked at the stats, but i bet we have poor yards after the catch because schaub's ball placement and accuracy problems.
His decision making is just as bad. He throws picks at the most crucial times, see his road games in Indy, baltimore OT game, raider al davis game.
How many defensive players have called him out? albert haynesworth, kelly the lineman for the raiders, suggs, come on i can keep going.
The reason why his INT numbers are so low is because we are a team that relies on the run and schaub's mistakes are somewhat mitigated and under sold.
This has been a historical problem for schaub, and its only being magnified right now. Those who are honest and intelligent texan fans have known this the whole time.
come on breh,
ive seen every single texan game in history, including preseason. I know what im talking about.
klockWork
Rookie
I'm not buying it. If he can't plant and throw properly then those things would show up in practices. Every coaching staff and players would've taken notices. Andre would have noticed a delay in catching the ball. This is a billion dollar business and if there is fatal flaw in the QB mechanics and no one notice it then someone not doing their job.
Kubiak, whether anyone think he's a bad coach or not, there is one thing he knows and will always knows is the QB position. Being a former QB and QB coach there's no way Gary will not notice his starting QB is having issues with his planting foot.
Schaub not planting and throwing off his back foot are correlated to pocket-precense & awareness. When he's throwing the ball he clearly is unaware of throwing space he has in front of him so he ease off on his planting foot not wanting to get hit by a rusher. That is a symptoms of a QB whose lost it in the head.
I agree with this much of your post. If there's a problem with Matt physically, where he just can't do what he used to be able to do, there's no way Kubiak doesn't know. & if he knows, there's no way he'd have stuck with him through 5 games this year. Three of which he performed pretty badly, 4 he threw a pick six in. 9 INTs in 5 games, "I love ya man, but you're sitting out this week & next."
Like he said, he's got a responsibility to the entire team & I don't think he takes that lightly.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
The pick six against SF was a short pass that had an arc. It was clearly not a pass with much velocity as it should have been. This guy is not right and the few attributes he had are gone.
Yeah that's it, Corrosion needs to learn more about Gary's understanding of QB's. (Sarcasm/////)
I'd like to kick them in the balls for being asshats .
Schaub may not be playing well .... but there is no one who works harder.
Jerkoffs! Need to learn where to draw the line ..... There's a bunch of @$$holes in this part of the building!
Whether or not that is true, this is a game. A game that none of us are participants in. I can understand if we were in highschool & we were on the team. Sock party, blanket party..... I can see it. Don't agree with it, but (ok that's a lie. I'd probably be in on it.)
But this is a game & we're spectators. It's childish, irrational, & misplaced.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
I really hope that when we play the Rams and if Schaub is (God forbid) still the starter that when he creeps out of the tunnel that every single fan in the stadium stands out and boos him as loudly as they can. Since Schaub won't bench him, maybe we can completely break him down mentally and run him out of town. It is either that or wait for him to get injured since there is no other way Kubes will bench him. Both of them disgust me...
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I don't see any good to come out of this. Why wish ill-will on people?
See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.
"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"
deucetx
Rookie
I'm all for benching Schaub. It would be good for the team and him honestly. At the same time he doesn't deserve the boos. If he plays crappy in the game (which I doubt) then by all means. But before the game? No. Let him play the game and see how he performs. We are frustrated and upset with how he played this season but this is a new week, new game. If he's starting then support him and react off he does this week. No one deserves to be booed just for stepping on the field.
Exascor
Veteran
I hope if Schaub starts, he'll have a career game and get his (and the teams) confidence back. He may not be my first choice but if he plays, he'll get my support.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
At the start of each and every game, I'll be cheering on them all, no matter who they are or in what position.
By the end of the game I might be jeering instead of cheering some of them. That's just the way it is.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Disgusting sentiment.
If Schaub breaks down completely or gets injured he does not play. How can that possibly NOT be a bad thing? I am not wishing ill-will. I am still hoping Kubes sees the light of day and benches this scrub. You know what happens when the rest of us performs as poorly at our jobs? We get fired! There is such a thing in this world called ACCOUNTABILITY.
See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.
"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"
Get off your high horses. I know I am a great fan because I care about the team and stayed with the team through the Carr years all the way to now, even through the multiple blunders committed by various aspects of the organization. I also own a Watt jersey and Andre jersey as well as other various Texans gear. Don't come trying to talk to me about good fans or bad fans. I support the TEAM and not the name on the back of the jersey. It is because I AM a GOOD fan of the Texans that I do want Schaub to be benched first and foremost. If that is not available, I will gladly take injury or complete breakdown. I will take ANYTHING at this point in time to get Schaub off the field. I don't really care how it happens anymore. Also, Schaub is not the most important player on our team. He simply plays the most important position and does so quite poorly. There is a huge difference. Your remark is also quite off the base. Again, I support the TEAM, just not Schaub whom I want OFF the team for the BETTERMENT of the team. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in talking with either of you 2 further.
How does he NOT deserve the boos? At the very least, he deserves the NFL's equivalent of demotion or firing (benched or cut/traded). Since his employee is a bigger pig head than he is, we are forced to rely on things within the right/control of fans, to boo him and let him know he is not performing at any acceptable level. It is not another week or another game. This is a TREND going all the way back to last season. Schaub is not a good QB anymore. He may still flash some glimpses of what he did when he was still pretty good, but those days are long gone.
Again, I am not actively hoping he gets injured or mentally breaks down. I would much rather he gets benched/cut/traded first but it seems increasingly unlikely to happen at this point in time with Kubes manning the ship. I have a feeling he will guide it into rocks being changing QB's or being forced to.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
you know you are gonna read it.
you know you are.
People who hate dissenting opinions and put people on ignore are the first ones to read the ignored post.
You read it then you go back to pretending to marginalize the person but you couldnt wait to read what he wrote.
Typical human being behavior. People hate rush limbaugh but cant wait to see or read what he said.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.
Say hi to them for me ok
klockWork
Rookie
Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.
Say hi to them for me ok
Who?!! Who are these people you speak of? I want names so I don't waste my time rationalizing with those people. I won't ignore them but I will laugh secretly at all their posts from now on.
See this is the kind of "lip service" I was talking about. Chenjy9 probably thinks he is a great fan. But he wants to boo Schaub, not to express his displeasure in the current state of the team, but to mentally break down the most important player on the roster, then run him out of town.
"I support ya..... but get the fk out of here!!!"
I hate to disappoint you guys, but his feeling isn't that far from the norm. If the Texans make the (poor) choice of announcing offensive starters on Sunday, I'd wager 20%+ of the crowd will boo Schaub. It's certainly not my thing, but it's not way out on the fringe either.
deucetx
Rookie
Because you are talking about boo'ing him immediately as he appears. How does that help the team? He's starting whether we like it or not so to support our team we need hope he doesn't play like crap again. How will boo'ing him help that effect? Do you really want to see us lose to the likes of the Rams? Not like they will hear the boos before the game starts and say 'Oh no throw in Yates!' So the effect will only be negative at that point and nothing to gain from it. If we need to release frustration that badly then before the game take your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, mistress or whatever and hit the bed. Best stress reliever in the world right there.
Now if he goes in there and continues to suck that's a different story. Boo birds errupt. But it shouldn't be a second before nor overboard like the childish name calling/threats some fans do (not saying you obviously). Give him support til he does something to lose it during the game otherwise we're hurting our team ourselves. That's not what a fanbase should do nor is it what homefield advantage is about. I'm pretty sure at this point he knows how everyone feels and that he is not playing up to par. He'd have to be Forrest Gump to not know at this point what is right in his face.
If booing hurts Schaub's confidence enough that it forces him off the field, it is DEFINITELY going to help the team. The sooner he stops playing for the Texans as our starting QB, the sooner we have a chance to get better. Consider it like picketing in front of the White House or a corporation. Booing Schaub is the same thing to me. As a fan, I am also a customer to the Texans and when the "product" being marched out there is defective (MS is definitely defective), we reserve the right to protest.
TexansFight
Veteran
Brother, I will be right there with you in Section 105. I plan on BOOING Schaub and Kubiak every chance I get on Sunday. In some ways, I am glad that Kubiak tied himself to the anchor that is Schaub. The Texans needs a cleansing fire. I can get onboard a crappy year that will lead to a new coach and a shiny, new QB prospect from the draft. Reload next year and ready to really kick ass.
That's not the point. I understand people who are frustrated that vocalize their opinions with a boo. That's football. I wouldn't do it (to my own team), but I understand. Schaub makes enough money to deal with it. If he can't deal with it I don't want him as my starting QB.
That guy I quoted said he wants to boo to break him down mentally & affect him to lose the game.
The game I want them to win. Hate the man, hate the player, hate the coach... but don't do anything with the intention to cause cause my team to lose.
You need to work on your reading comprehension buddy. I don't want the team to lose. I want Schaub to GTFO of the field, preferably before he causes us to lose more games. If you were a REAL Texans fan (that's right, I am going to play the card you tried to use), then you will want him out too. You want to win right?
This means your OK with Gary/Matt HC/QB for life.
If they lose to the Rams they likely will lose to K.C and Indy. That would be a 6 game losing streak and hopefully mean the end of the mediocrity that is the Kubiak/Schaub era.
I've got a different definition of mediocrity. Two time AFC South Champs.... two play-off game wins.
The division got tougher. If we win it this year, it's for real. I understand with the way we're playing right now, it's hard to see us finishing 13-3, but stranger things have happened.
This time last year Denver had lost to ATL, HOU, & NE. They beat Pittsburgh & Oakland. In our game against them we could tell there was something special there & in our game against Seattle..... we should know there's something special here. Like Denver, we need to get it together.
It's probably not going to look fancy or flashy or whatever, but we're going to win 12 games this year. We're going to win the division, & we'll probably win the AFC Championship.
TexansFight
Veteran
Seriously stop. You are trolling us with this BS. You can't possibly believe the **** you are saying.
We're not winning 12 games this year. We'll struggle to get to 10.
There is a big if in there. & it's about Matt Schaub getting his head out of his bum & into the game. If that happens, yes I definitely think we'll win 12 games.
Roadtrip635
Practice Squad
I was at a sports bar watching the baseball game and next to us was a Redskin and Cowboy fan arguing about the game this Sunday. The Redskin fan said that it didn't matter how points the Cowboys scored last week, that division games are always close and that "Romo would choke like he always does and throw a 'Schaub' ..."and the Redskins would win. They all started laughing.
I just thought, well that's great, he's thrown so many pick 6's they're just gonna name it after him..... Good Grief!
:kubepalm:
I just thought, well that's great, he's thrown so many pick 6's they're just gonna name it after him..... Good Grief!
:kubepalm:
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
Oh no, you don't know me very well at all. I got people on ignore from when David Carr was still tricking people into thinking he had potential and they stay there.
Say hi to them for me ok
Ditto.
My forum world is a better place without Amazing80 in it. This ignore feature isn't for satisfaction, its for sanity. Once proven to be too intolerable, I could care less what continues to shoot out one's arse.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
WOW. that's a leap of faith.
Personally, I am not anti-boo. If it makes YOU feel better, boo away. It's your voice, let it be heard. But I doubt Schaub takes himself out of the game as a result of being greeted with a boo. That's funny. Schaub's game might be MIA, but the man's got stones.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
Just another thought, admittedly off topic a bit... I've always remembered(my
Army platoon leader at the time was a Braves fan) in 1991, Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz started off with 2-10 record at the all-star break. Then after, went 11-3.
Baseball Pitcher - Football QB = Apples - Oranges.
However, it was a great turnaround story, which can be used to illustrate any potential hope as it relates to this thread. Let's just hope Schaub doesn't go 2-10 before turning it around ;-)
Army platoon leader at the time was a Braves fan) in 1991, Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz started off with 2-10 record at the all-star break. Then after, went 11-3.
Baseball Pitcher - Football QB = Apples - Oranges.
However, it was a great turnaround story, which can be used to illustrate any potential hope as it relates to this thread. Let's just hope Schaub doesn't go 2-10 before turning it around ;-)
dream_team
Hall of Fame
You need to work on your reading comprehension buddy. I don't want the team to lose. I want Schaub to GTFO of the field, preferably before he causes us to lose more games. If you were a REAL Texans fan (that's right, I am going to play the card you tried to use), then you will want him out too. You want to win right?
If you're a real Texans fan, then you should want to win whether that's with or without Schaub playing.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
So you're saying Schaub needs HGH injections?
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
LOL... that's another means of getting him out from under center ;-)
Sigma
Veteran
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory. 
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Nobody. The streak ends this week with a Texans victory.
There we go. Turn the corner and the glass is half full