Cushing suspended 4 games for violating policy on performance-enhancing substances

[Runner]

Does the Texans "surprise" firing of the strength and conditioning coach fit into this at all? I don't remember the timing of that action but do recall it was unexpected by the fans.

 

[Thorn]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a while because I've already stated my views and have no intention of changing them no matter what the evidence is. LOL (Ain't stubborn old people the shits?)

But I have a question for yall, it's about NFL testing rules. If you get caught on a random test, what are the league rules that apply to you afterwards? Do you get tested once a month for a year? Once a week for 6 months? Is there such a rule? Just asking because I don't know and for some reason I was wondering about this.

Thanks guys!

 

[ChampionTexan]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a while because I've already stated my views and have no intention of changing them no matter what the evidence is. LOL (Ain't stubborn old people the shits?)

But I have a question for yall, it's about NFL testing rules. If you get caught on a random test, what are the league rules that apply to you afterwards? Do you get tested once a month for a year? Once a week for 6 months? Is there such a rule? Just asking because I don't know and for some reason I was wondering about this.

Thanks guys!

Reasonable Cause Testing For Players With Prior Positive Tests Or Under Other Circumstances: Any player testing positive for a Prohibited Substance, including players testing positive in college or at a scouting combine session, or with otherwise documented prior steroid involvement, will be subject to ongoing reasonable cause testing at a frequency determined by the Independent Administrator. Such players will be subject to ongoing reasonable cause testing both in-season and during the off-season. Reasonable cause testing may also be required when, in the opinion of the Independent Administrator, available information provides a reasonable basis to conclude that a player may have violated the Policy or may have a medical condition that warrants further monitoring. (See Section 12.)

(Underlining added to address specific question)

Link (Text on page 5)

 

[Thorn]

Thanks ChampionTexan!

 

[HoustonFrog]

I'm with LZ on this. Cush and his team should just take the punishment, stop the speculation and move on. The more they push, the more the NFL is going to get more specific. Cushing should have gotten out in front of this. They have had a long time. He could have laid out his explanation and what he was fighting. People could have then taken it from there. Right now it seems more and more info gets out and the excuses seem lamer and lamer.

 

[JB]

I'm with LZ on this. Cush and his team should just take the punishment, stop the speculation and move on. The more they push, the more the NFL is going to get more specific. Cushing should have gotten out in front of this. They have had a long time. He could have laid out his explanation and what he was fighting. People could have then taken it from there. Right now it seems more and more info gets out and the excuses seem lamer and lamer.

How are Cush and the Texans pushing? And I have not heard any excuses from either of them.

 

[HOU-TEX]

I'm with LZ on this. Cush and his team should just take the punishment, stop the speculation and move on. The more they push, the more the NFL is going to get more specific. Cushing should have gotten out in front of this. They have had a long time. He could have laid out his explanation and what he was fighting. People could have then taken it from there. Right now it seems more and more info gets out and the excuses seem lamer and lamer.

How are Cush and the Texans pushing? And I have not heard any excuses from either of them.

I agree with JB. I think it's the fans that are speculating and wanting to find reasoning to beleive Cush is innocent and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Kubiak, Smith, McNair and Schaub have already said it's something that's done and they'll deal with it. They'll rally behind Cush and look forward to his return. Cush's team hasn't said a dadgum thing so...

Cushing is going to be bombarded in a few days when he arrives for OTA's. He's had an entire week to prepare and deliver a statement.

 

[HoustonFrog]

How are Cush and the Texans pushing? And I have not heard any excuses from either of them.

LZ, this morning, was acting like Cush and his guys were looking into other avenues to persue here. That is how I took it. He then said they should just shut it down, take the suspension and move forward. He got caught. I agreed.

 

[HOU-TEX]

LZ, this morning, was acting like Cush and his guys were looking into other avenues to persue here. That is how I took it. He then said they should just shut it down, take the suspension and move forward. He got caught. I agreed.

Maybe he truly thinks he's innocent? Would you want to shut it down if you were in his shoes?

I think it's fairly certain his suspension will be upheld no matter, but who am I to say he should just move on.

 

[silvrhand]

I'm with LZ on this. Cush and his team should just take the punishment, stop the speculation and move on. The more they push, the more the NFL is going to get more specific. Cushing should have gotten out in front of this. They have had a long time. He could have laid out his explanation and what he was fighting. People could have then taken it from there. Right now it seems more and more info gets out and the excuses seem lamer and lamer.

Agreed, if Cush had came out and said hey here is everything I'm taking, and put it up and talked about it then I'd feel more comfortable but I don't think he'll do that cause I think he knows he was juicing/pushing it and got busted.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Maybe he truly thinks he's innocent? Would you want to shut it down if you were in his shoes?

I think it's fairly certain his suspension will be upheld no matter, but who am I to say he should just move on.

Again I'm taking it from the info that is out there and what they are relaying. If that is the case I agree with him. I also stand by my stance that the guy had a whole season to prepare for this and I think they failed in not getting out ahead of this thing once it was announced.

 

[GP]

Agreed, if Cush had came out and said hey here is everything I'm taking, and put it up and talked about it then I'd feel more comfortable but I don't think he'll do that cause I think he knows he was juicing/pushing it and got busted.

That's my thoughts, as well.

Some people say he shouldn't have to lay all of that out...but why not?

Not knowing the "why?" behind this whole mess is not going to make it go away. An absence of information will cause others to fill in the blanks on their own. Perception can be reality.

The best P.R. jobs are the ones where the entity comes right out and spells everything out in so much detail that it's maybe even over-board to a degree. Withholding information, for ANY reason, means that there's a potential soft spot being protected.

Still a Cushing fan. Just not sure this is going to go away so easily. We're in the Information Age--We want it, and we want it 5 minutes ago.

 

[BullNation4Life]

I'm with LZ on this. Cush and his team should just take the punishment, stop the speculation and move on. The more they push, the more the NFL is going to get more specific. Cushing should have gotten out in front of this. They have had a long time. He could have laid out his explanation and what he was fighting. People could have then taken it from there. Right now it seems more and more info gets out and the excuses seem lamer and lamer.

there is your first mistake. Lance Zierlein actually had time to make a opinion about sports in between his sexist and degrading comments with Granado? Shocking...

This is the same guy who's dad forwarded porn pic/video to every GM in the NFL, including secretaries, though by accident but none the less....

 

[infantrycak]

Sometimes things really are just as they seem. These guys have a lot on the line giving them incentive to use steroids. In many ways, I don't blame them. In fact, I'm perfectly comfortable saying he took steroids, and therefore cheated. The thing is, I don't really care, except for the fact that he got popped and now hurts the team.

It's naive to think that a significant portion of the NFL is not on steroids, so players really do have to even up the playing field. It's a nasty cycle of escalation. It's also naive to think that Cushing didn't take steroids at some point prior to this hCG test, IMO. I understand people wanting to believe in the guy, but it's getting to the point where you have to really reach to make the argument that he's clean.

So now Cushing is a long time steroid abuser who was stupid enough to discuss it with both the team trainer and the NFL? See I think it is naive to believe a steroid user would let even the tiniest bit of information out about using a banned substance pointing toward steroids. His response of this is something I have been using for 15 years also doesn't make sense if it was part of a steroid regime. That would either be stupidly adding fuel to the fire or it is an indication that he truly believes he has done nothing wrong.

 

[Rey]

That's my thoughts, as well.

Some people say he shouldn't have to lay all of that out...but why not?

Not knowing the "why?" behind this whole mess is not going to make it go away. An absence of information will cause others to fill in the blanks on their own. Perception can be reality.

The best P.R. jobs are the ones where the entity comes right out and spells everything out in so much detail that it's maybe even over-board to a degree. Withholding information, for ANY reason, means that there's a potential soft spot being protected.

Still a Cushing fan. Just not sure this is going to go away so easily. We're in the Information Age--We want it, and we want it 5 minutes ago.

IMO, it's the organizations job to make sure that the fans have an explanation. Personally, I don't ever have to hear anything from Cushing as I really don't care about him beyond the normal feelings I have for the rest of mankind and what he can do for the team on Sundays. Cushing isn't a friend of mine or a family member, so I don't feel like I owe him anything and vice versa.

Really, I don't think individual players owe fans anything because if they were not great players no one would care about them. Also, when mediocre or bad players get hurt most fans aren't going out of their way to show them support.

I'd venture to say that the only reason that people feel Cush owes them something is because he was a beast his rookie season. If this was Brice McCain I doubt people would be as worried about a statement.

 

[beerlover]

LZ, this morning, was acting like Cush and his guys were looking into other avenues to persue here. That is how I took it. He then said they should just shut it down, take the suspension and move forward. He got caught. I agreed.

Cushing isn't the type to back away from a fight. Maybe he should just shut it down but seems very un-cushing like to me

 

[JB]

IMO, it's the organizations job to make sure that the fans have an explanation. Personally, I don't ever have to hear anything from Cushing as I really don't care about him beyond the normal feelings I have for the rest of mankind and what he can do for the team on Sundays. Cushing isn't a friend of mine or a family member, so I don't feel like I owe him anything and vice versa.

Really, I don't think individual players owe fans anything because if they were not great players no one would care about them. Also, when mediocre or bad players get hurt most fans aren't going out of their way to show them support.

I'd venture to say that the only reason that people feel Cush owes them something is because he was a beast his rookie season. If this was Brice McCain I doubt people would be as worried about a statement.

I think this is a pretty valid statement

 

[ChampionTexan]

So now Cushing is a long time steroid abuser who was stupid enough to discuss it with both the team trainer and the NFL? See I think it is naive to believe a steroid user would let even the tiniest bit of information out about using a banned substance pointing toward steroids. His response of this is something I have been using for 15 years also doesn't make sense if it was part of a steroid regime. That would either be stupidly adding fuel to the fire or it is an indication that he truly believes he has done nothing wrong.

Not really sure what to draw from it, but it would also mean he's been using it since he was 8 years old. If true - WTF?

 

[Goldensilence]

IMO, it's the organizations job to make sure that the fans have an explanation. Personally, I don't ever have to hear anything from Cushing as I really don't care about him beyond the normal feelings I have for the rest of mankind and what he can do for the team on Sundays. Cushing isn't a friend of mine or a family member, so I don't feel like I owe him anything and vice versa.

Really, I don't think individual players owe fans anything because if they were not great players no one would care about them. Also, when mediocre or bad players get hurt most fans aren't going out of their way to show them support.

I'd venture to say that the only reason that people feel Cush owes them something is because he was a beast his rookie season. If this was Brice McCain I doubt people would be as worried about a statement.

According to reports McNair and the FO was left out of the loop. So it doesn't seem like the Texans know the full story either. The NFL per the CB agreement can't release information regarding the test either.

It's all on Cushing.

Seeing as how ticket and merchadising sales pay their salaries, yes there are SOME things they owe us. Unless you think a fat ass like Jamarcus Russell doesn't owe fans anything for the contract he received?

I think this is a pretty valid statement

McCain obviously wasn't a starter nor had the same recognition as Brian did. If we found out the the third string linebacker on the Colts was juicing it wouldn't nearly be a big deal as finding out Manning was.

Trying to downplay it isn't going to change the outcome or feelings about it leaguewide.

 

[HoustonFrog]

there is your first mistake. Lance Zierlein actually had time to make a opinion about sports in between his sexist and degrading comments with Granado? Shocking...

This is the same guy who's dad forwarded porn pic/video to every GM in the NFL, including secretaries, though by accident but none the less....

That's right, you're the guy who puts the sins of the parents on every kid. Forgot about that glitch.

LZ is also a guy who basically talks to GMs, coaches and others and who probably knows more than a majority in this town about the league and players.

Waiting for some spin as to you not actually writing those words above or them being miscontrued.

 

[infantrycak]

Not really sure what to draw from it, but it would also mean he's been using it since he was 8 years old. If true - WTF?

I couldn't remember if they said 10 or 15. Must have been 10. I remember thinking at the time that he was talking about way back through HS not just college.

 

[GP]

So now Cushing is a long time steroid abuser who was stupid enough to discuss it with both the team trainer and the NFL? See I think it is naive to believe a steroid user would let even the tiniest bit of information out about using a banned substance pointing toward steroids. His response of this is something I have been using for 15 years also doesn't make sense if it was part of a steroid regime. That would either be stupidly adding fuel to the fire or it is an indication that he truly believes he has done nothing wrong.

So is there something going on with Cushing's intake of supplements that makes it almost unrealistic for him to share EXACTLY what he took that caused the positive test?

For example, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking: Cushing has got a guy, for several years now, who has concocted a blend of stuff (or maybe something totally unique to the industry) that makes it bad business to reveal to the public?

I'm thinking in terms of Cushing protecting a trade secret. He doesn't want to let the word get out, because he and a select few (Clay Mathews?) are keeping their secret to success under wraps...maybe at the request (or even "demand") of the supplier?

Otherwise, why doesn't he just list out the things he takes and reveal that a single substance or a combination of substances has the potential to cause a positive test? Lay it out on a table, photograph it and send it as a news release. Done.

That's where my frustration is on this matter. But maybe there's larger issues at hand that prevent a full disclosure.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

So is there something going on with Cushing's intake of supplements that makes it almost unrealistic for him to share EXACTLY what he took that caused the positive test?

For example, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking: Cushing has got a guy, for several years now, who has concocted a blend of stuff (or maybe something totally unique to the industry) that makes it bad business to reveal to the public?

I'm thinking in terms of Cushing protecting a trade secret. He doesn't want to let the word get out, because he and a select few (Clay Mathews?) are keeping their secret to success under wraps...maybe at the request (or even "demand") of the supplier?

Otherwise, why doesn't he just list out the things he takes and reveal that a single substance or a combination of substances has the potential to cause a positive test? Lay it out on a table, photograph it and send it as a news release. Done.

That's where my frustration is on this matter. But maybe there's larger issues at hand that prevent a full disclosure.

Cushing made his case to the NFL and it was denied. It's not going to help him any to make the same case to the general public. It doesn't really matter if the general public knows what he's taking or not.

And if he puts everything he takes on the table and takes a picture of it... so what? There's no guarantee that he put "everything on the table." The picture means nothing. It's no proof of anything.

And, like I said earlier and like you've said here, these guys probably do think of their supplement and training regimens as trade secrets. They don't want everyone else to know everything they're doing to try to get an edge.

So, the only people who gain anything from Cush saying everything he's taking are his competitors. So it doesn't make any sense for him to make some big announcement about everything he's taking.

And there's the possibility that he's preparing legal action against the NFL. In which case, he has to keep quiet.

I'm not expecting him to make any disclosure statement just to mollify a bunch of fans. It doesn't make sense for him to do that.

 

[gtexan02]

CnD is hcg ever used to treat hormal difficencies or other endocrinology disorders?

Maybe cushing isnt saying what he took because he's embarassed

 

[JB]

So is there something going on with Cushing's intake of supplements that makes it almost unrealistic for him to share EXACTLY what he took that caused the positive test?

For example, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking: Cushing has got a guy, for several years now, who has concocted a blend of stuff (or maybe something totally unique to the industry) that makes it bad business to reveal to the public?

I'm thinking in terms of Cushing protecting a trade secret. He doesn't want to let the word get out, because he and a select few (Clay Mathews?) are keeping their secret to success under wraps...maybe at the request (or even "demand") of the supplier?

Otherwise, why doesn't he just list out the things he takes and reveal that a single substance or a combination of substances has the potential to cause a positive test? Lay it out on a table, photograph it and send it as a news release. Done.

That's where my frustration is on this matter. But maybe there's larger issues at hand that prevent a full disclosure.

You know, he may just want to talk to his teammates and give his explanation to them before he goes public...

I'm just saying...

 

[GP]

Don't know if this has been posted, but here is information off espn's website:

"This is the first time we've encountered an issue like this," said Lou Ferrara, AP's managing editor for sports and entertainment. "Because these awards are based on on-field performance, we consider it necessary to review the matter and allow for a revote, especially after concerns were raised by many of our voters."

Houston Chronicle columnist John McClain wrote Tuesday that he voted for Cushing to win the award again.

"Why? Because a lot of players have won AP awards after being suspended," he wrote.

Texans owner Robert McNair on Monday criticized the suspension and appeal process that he said doesn't provide enough information to the team.

"The club is left completely out of the loop on that," McNair said. "We're not even notified, it's the league and the player and the players' union. All we know is what's been announced at this point in time."

McNair said Monday that the Texans were aware that Cushing had "an issue" with the NFL last season but didn't know the details.

"Brian had mentioned that he had an issue there, but we don't know what any of the details are, we don't know what doctors he may have consulted with, we don't know what evidence that the league might have had ... which is a very bad position to be in because we're the guy that's got the investment in the player. The league doesn't have any money invested in the player, the union doesn't have any money invested in the player, and yet they get the information and we don't.

"So it's a sensitive area because it is sort of like medical information and there's confidentiality and this sort of thing. But I think it's something that needs to be addressed in the next collective bargaining agreement."

The NFL did not immediately comment on McNair's statement.

This is going to cause the next CBA to make it mandatory that franchise owners receive the full disclosure on a test. Bank on it.

 

[HoustonFrog]

CnD is hcg ever used to treat hormal difficencies or other endocrinology disorders?

Maybe cushing isnt saying what he took because he's embarassed

I think the embarrassment may be the suspension in general. They didn't get out ahead of this thing. Some people softened when they heard it was "non-steroidal" and he passed a lie detector, but then the substance leaked and people like CND were able to explain that it didn't look good from the standpoint of how it is tested, etc. What can he say now really?It doesn't look good. It is to the point where I think the window to talk has gone and silence and coming back with no hiccups is the key.

 

[Double Barrel]

Sometimes things really are just as they seem. These guys have a lot on the line giving them incentive to use steroids. In many ways, I don't blame them. In fact, I'm perfectly comfortable saying he took steroids, and therefore cheated. The thing is, I don't really care, except for the fact that he got popped and now hurts the team.

It's naive to think that a significant portion of the NFL is not on steroids, so players really do have to even up the playing field. It's a nasty cycle of escalation. It's also naive to think that Cushing didn't take steroids at some point prior to this hCG test, IMO. I understand people wanting to believe in the guy, but it's getting to the point where you have to really reach to make the argument that he's clean.

So now Cushing is a long time steroid abuser who was stupid enough to discuss it with both the team trainer and the NFL? See I think it is naive to believe a steroid user would let even the tiniest bit of information out about using a banned substance pointing toward steroids. His response of this is something I have been using for 15 years also doesn't make sense if it was part of a steroid regime. That would either be stupidly adding fuel to the fire or it is an indication that he truly believes he has done nothing wrong.

But then there is Occam's razor: the meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" and the conclusion thereof, that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

 

[GP]

Cushing made his case to the NFL and it was denied. It's not going to help him any to make the same case to the general public. It doesn't really matter if the general public knows what he's taking or not.

And if he puts everything he takes on the table and takes a picture of it... so what? There's no guarantee that he put "everything on the table." The picture means nothing. It's no proof of anything.

And, like I said earlier and like you've said here, these guys probably do think of their supplement and training regimens as trade secrets. They don't want everyone else to know everything they're doing to try to get an edge.

So, the only people who gain anything from Cush saying everything he's taking are his competitors. So it doesn't make any sense for him to make some big announcement about everything he's taking.

And there's the possibility that he's preparing legal action against the NFL. In which case, he has to keep quiet.

I'm not expecting him to make any disclosure statement just to mollify a bunch of fans. It doesn't make sense for him to do that.

I'm with you. I'm just saying there are ways to handle this, and it appears Cushing is NOT going to give answers in a public manner.

He appears to be headed toward (a) moving forward without continual acknowledgment or public feuding with the NFL's testing commission and/or (b) a possible showdown in court to challenge how he can pass so many other tests and yet have this one positive test that has (1) Suspended him for 4 games, (2) endangered his DROY award status, and (3) potentially affect his level of income.

BTW, I think Cushing will win the DROY award (again) which will cause a whole 'nother level of reaction from Baird and other NFL'ers who want to speak about this issue. All we need is Al Pacino with his famous movie rant "I'm just gettin' warmed up!" to set the tone on what's gonna' go down from here on out! LOL.

 

[BullNation4Life]

]That's right, you're the guy who puts the sins of the parents on every kid. Forgot about that glitch[/B].

LZ is also a guy who basically talks to GMs, coaches and others and who probably knows more than a majority in this town about the league and players.

Waiting for some spin as to you not actually writing those words above or them being miscontrued.

Because more times than not, the children suffer from their parent's mistakes but you wouldn't know anything about that probably....

LZ is also the same guy who cries about one pick and praises the next. Dogged the Mario Williams pick for the whole 2006 season, then turns around and says he is the greatest pick ever. Flip flops worse than a politician....

But you go on ahead use him as a measuring stick when it comes to sports journalism....that is a very short stick...

 

[WWJD]

Because more times than not, the children suffer from their parent's mistakes but you wouldn't know anything about that probably....

LZ is also the same guy who cries about one pick and praises the next. Dogged the Mario Williams pick for the whole 2006 season, then turns around and says he is the greatest pick ever. Flip flops worse than a politician....

But you go on ahead use him as a measuring stick when it comes to sports journalism....that is a very short stick...

Lance has posted on this board before...I always liked him on 610 but can't pick up his new station.

I think the general consensus about Lance is that he's far more informative regarding the team than John McClain is. And I like John but..

 

[BullNation4Life]

Lance has posted on this board before...I always liked him on 610 but can't pick up his new station.

I think the general consensus about Lance is that he's far more informative regarding the team than John McClain is. And I like John but..

You can't pick it up because the radio station runs on very low wattage. It is almost like a pirate radio station, with a FCC license...


He maybe but he seems to flip flop allot on his decisions. Aggravated the hell out of me when he was at 610, not to mention his and Granado's show turned into a Walton and Johnson morning show rather a sports talk morning show....

Don't even get me started on Richard Justice. He is still clinging to VY's jock strap what 5 years after the fact....

 

[HoustonFrog]

Because more times than not, the children suffer from their parent's mistakes but you wouldn't know anything about that probably....

LZ is also the same guy who cries about one pick and praises the next. Dogged the Mario Williams pick for the whole 2006 season, then turns around and says he is the greatest pick ever. Flip flops worse than a politician....

But you go on ahead use him as a measuring stick when it comes to sports journalism....that is a very short stick...

Right, a guys Dad sending porn around then makes the son a porn sender who knows nothing about football. Makes alot of sense....per usual with you.

He has admitted completely that he was wrong about the pick and I haven't heard him yet say Mario is the best pick ever. He talks about his motor still and not getting to the QB more often with his size, etc. You just want to pick and chose what you want to hear. He and John Harris get in depth. They put out one of the best draft guides I have ever read when it came to depth and analysis. The guy isn't my go to guy on football but I agreed with his stance this morning. So you have anything else.?Maybe his Mom got a speeding ticket once so her son must not know football.

Again, on subject, his stance was that Cushing should move forward...check.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Because more times than not, the children suffer from their parent's mistakes but you wouldn't know anything about that probably....

LZ is also the same guy who cries about one pick and praises the next. Dogged the Mario Williams pick for the whole 2006 season, then turns around and says he is the greatest pick ever. Flip flops worse than a politician....

But you go on ahead use him as a measuring stick when it comes to sports journalism....that is a very short stick...

Love me some LZ.

He's more connected to the NFL than virtually any other local media member with the possible exception of McClain, but as WWJD said, he's willing to work for a story. When's the last time a local sports-media member broke a national story? I'm thinking it was LZ and the Phat Albert FA signing.

As far as the Mario pick, I don't actually recall him dogging the pick, and I don't believe he's since referred to it as "The greatest pick ever", but I know this - if he didn't like the pick in '06, but has since revised his opinion, I call that A.) Having an open mind, B.) Being willing to admit you were wrong, and C.) Admitting what Richard Justice won't, as it relates to the Mario pick. Three pretty big compliments as far as I'm concerned!

 

[WWJD]

Just saying Lance is a real smart football guy. Agree or disagree is not the issue. He has sources..his dad is an NFL guy...and just from all I've been able to piece together here and there Lance gets more kudos for knowing what he's talking about than John does and he's the NFL guy at the Chronicle. And I like John.

Sports radio in Houston is sort of a sad subject with me..but that is not on topic and for another thread.

The Texans would probably be best served to have some sort of press conference regarding this issue...get all their ducks in a row...and try to get whatever information from Brian he wishes released and have that flow thru the team.

And move on. Goodness just move on.

 

[BigTimeTexanFan]

I think virtually every radio host was against selecting Mario considering he was under the radar until the final days leading up to that draft. He has also admitted he was wrong, which I can't say for some other certain hosts. I like John and Lance. I get sports + entertainment.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Right, a guys Dad sending porn around then makes the son a porn sender who knows nothing about football. Makes alot of sense....per usual with you.

He has admitted completely that he was wrong about the pick and I haven't heard him yet say Mario is the best pick ever. He talks about his motor still and not getting to the QB more often with his size, etc. You just want to pick and chose what you want to hear. He and John Harris get in depth. They put out one of the best draft guides I have ever read when it came to depth and analysis. The guy isn't my go to guy on football but I agreed with his stance this morning. So you have anything else.?Maybe his Mom got a speeding ticket once so her son must not know football.

Again, on subject, his stance was that Cushing should move forward...check.

WOW love how your context assessment is never spot on. It would be more so that bad decisions tend to run between father and son, you would know that if you had listen to LZ for the years he was at 610 but evidently you know everything....

He put Mario, in his top 2 for DE in the league in 07-08 then bagged on him again last year but if you didn't hear that, then I guess it didn't happen. Fllliiip flopper....

Said on his radio show that Okoye was a great pick at the time, then bagged on him

Said Schaub was a waste of 2 second round picks, wrong again...

I got plenty of examples.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Love me some LZ.

He's more connected to the NFL than virtually any other local media member with the possible exception of McClain, but as WWJD said, he's willing to work for a story. When's the last time a local sports-media member broke a national story? I'm thinking it was LZ and the Phat Albert FA signing.

As far as the Mario pick, I don't actually recall him dogging the pick, and I don't believe he's since referred to it as "The greatest pick ever", but I know this - if he didn't like the pick in '06, but has since revised his opinion, I call that A.) Having an open mind, B.) Being willing to admit you were wrong, and C.) Admitting what Richard Justice won't, as it relates to the Mario pick. Three pretty big compliments as far as I'm concerned!

Not in a literal sense as for the entire NFL, didn't think folks would take that literally...More so for the Texans.

He dogged him, said he was trash basically and he wanted either Young or Bush, can't remember which one he wanted and Granado wanted. Then come his 2nd year and 3rd year, praises from the heavens...Last year, garbage....

now i am not saying he needs battle red colored glasses, but for someone that is that close tot he team and media, you would think he wouldn't make such broad stroked assessments...JMO

 

[HoustonFrog]

WOW love how your context assessment is never spot on. It would be more so that bad decisions tend to run between father and son, you would know that if you had listen to LZ for the years he was at 610 but evidently you know everything....

He put Mario, in his top 2 for DE in the league in 07-08 then bagged on him again last year but if you didn't hear that, then I guess it didn't happen. Fllliiip flopper....

Said on his radio show that Okoye was a great pick at the time, then bagged on him

Said Schaub was a waste of 2 second round picks, wrong again...

I got plenty of examples.

There is a difference between flip flopping and assessment of situations. Almost every guy out there is wrong on draft picks. The whole league and people here were about Mario. The truth is he stunk his first year and looked like a bust. Then he broke out in Year 2. Then last year he didn't play as well. It isn't flip flopping to state those things, its analysis of football. So in order for a guy to have any cred he must always be right? Okoye was regarded as a young guy who could grow and anchor the D-line based on his Senior Bowl play. He then sucked so the assessment at draft time differs from when you see him perform. I'm not sure what is so wrong with that? It's not like Justice who will say 2 different things about a guy within a month regarding situations that haven't changed.

Again, back to Cushing.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Just saying Lance is a real smart football guy. Agree or disagree is not the issue. He has sources..his dad is an NFL guy...and just from all I've been able to piece together here and there Lance gets more kudos for knowing what he's talking about than John does and he's the NFL guy at the Chronicle. And I like John.

Sports radio in Houston is sort of a sad subject with me..but that is not on topic and for another thread.

The Texans would probably be best served to have some sort of press conference regarding this issue...get all their ducks in a row...and try to get whatever information from Brian he wishes released and have that flow thru the team.

And move on. Goodness just move on.

Cushing is suppose to have a press conference on Monday, what I heard this morning.This will probably be the last we hear of it until Training Camp, then the start of the season...

 

[BullNation4Life]

There is a difference between flip flopping and assessment of situations. Almost every guy out there is wrong on draft picks. The whole league and people here were about Mario. The truth is he stunk his first year and looked like a bust. Then he broke out in Year 2. Then last year he didn't play as well. It isn't flip flopping to state those things, its analysis of football. So in order for a guy to have any cred he must always be right? Okoye was regarded a young guy who could grow and anchor the D-line absed on his Senior Bowl play. He then sucked so the assessment at draft time differs from when you see him perform. I'm not sure what is so wrong with that? It's not like Justice who will say 2 different things about a guy within a month regarding situations that haven't changed.

Again, back to Cushing. Maybe Cushings Dad and Mom cheated the IRs, thus this for little Brian.

It is a very thin line, especially when you pretty much say he was a horrible draft pick because the Texans didn't take your guy, then praise him because he proved you wrong and say he is one of if not the greatest pick in Texans history, then bag him again for having a down year....

In sports media, cred is earned being more right than wrong. I have yet to see that with any Houston media outlet, thus why you should make your own assessment and opinion and not form one from someone who is more wrong than right....

I feel the same way about McClain as well....

Flip flopping, assessments, whatever kind of lipstick you want to put on the pig...

 

[ChampionTexan]

Not in a literal sense as for the entire NFL, didn't think folks would take that literally...More so for the Texans.

He dogged him, said he was trash basically and he wanted either Young or Bush, can't remember which one he wanted and Granado wanted. Then come his 2nd year and 3rd year, praises from the heavens...Last year, garbage....

now i am not saying he needs battle red colored glasses, but for someone that is that close tot he team and media, you would think he wouldn't make such broad stroked assessments...JMO

I listen to LZ quite a bit (probably more than you - unless you spend a lot of time listening to somebody you don't appear to care for). I don't recall him ever saying Mario was a better pick than AJ. Nor do I think he believes that based on what he's said about both players. He's a talk-show host, and and information guy. He expresses an opinion, and unless you expect him to be omniscient, or silent, there's not a single thing wrong with being wrong sometimes. You're posts have also been critical of Richard Justice. I wonder if you're critical of the fact that he still won't admit he was wrong about the Mario pick (and then when/if he did, you could just switch your criticism of him to the flip-flopping thing).

What you see as flip-flopping, I see as willingness to evaluate things without feeling the need to defend your previous position for ego or reputation purposes. Again, I remember surprise from LZ (and everyone else) regarding the Mario pick, but I don't remember him trashing Mario all that much as a football player. In terms of subsequent performance, Mario did have better 2007 & 2008 seasons than 2009. Given that fact - and given the fact that I've heard LZ say Mario is still a very good football player - he's just not playing to the level he's come to expect, what would you view as the proper stance for LZ (or anyone else for that matter) to take on the topic.

For what it's worth, while I can't go back an dig up recordings or quotes any more than you can, I think you are way exaggerating LZ's positions on a number of these things in an effort to make your point.

 

[HoustonFrog]

It is a very thin line, especially when you pretty much say he was a horrible draft pick because the Texans didn't take your guy, then praise him because he proved you wrong and say he is one of if not the greatest pick in Texans history, then bag him again for having a down year....

In sports media, cred is earned being more right than wrong. I have yet to see that with any Houston media outlet, thus why you should make your own assessment and opinion and not form one from someone who is more wrong than right....

I feel the same way about McClain as well....

Flip flopping, assessments, whatever kind of lipstick you want to put on the pig...

This town has some of the worst sports talk I've ever heard and I have never based my own opinion off of it. You can agree with what is being talked about that. That is usually how it works...you agree or disagree....or blame their parents.

 

[BullNation4Life]

I listen to LZ quite a bit (probably more than you - unless you spend a lot of time listening to somebody you don't appear to care for). I don't recall him ever saying Mario was a better pick than AJ. Nor do I think he believes that based on what he's said about both players. He's a talk-show host, and and information guy. He expresses an opinion, and unless you expect him to be omniscient, or silent, there's not a single thing wrong with being wrong sometimes. You're posts have also been critical of Richard Justice. I wonder if you're critical of the fact that he still won't admit he was wrong about the Mario pick (and then when/if he did, you could just switch your criticism of him to the flip-flopping thing).

What you see as flip-flopping, I see as willingness to evaluate things without feeling the need to defend your previous position for ego or reputation purposes. Again, I remember surprise from LZ (and everyone else) regarding the Mario pick, but I don't remember him trashing Mario all that much as a football player. In terms of subsequent performance, Mario did have better 2007 & 2008 seasons than 2009. Given that fact - and given the fact that I've heard LZ say Mario is still a very good football player - he's just not playing to the level he's come to expect, what would you view as the proper stance for LZ (or anyone else for that matter) to take on the topic.

For what it's worth, while I can't go back an dig up recordings or quotes any more than you can, I think you are way exaggerating LZ's positions on a number of these things in an effort to make your point.

I wish I had the email from when he was with 610 saying that he wasn't Jared Allen nor Peppers, he was a horrible pick because nobody knew about him.

Then he gets fired or leaves from 610 and I follow them over to 1560 The Game, and low and behold, it is praises from the heavens about Mario. The when I can get that station in, last year around end of November, Mario can't do this and that and blah and blah.

Dunno maybe he just hits that nerve. I have just always found him to flip flop on subjects more than stand his ground...

Anyway moving on. Enough time wasted talking about a mediocre sports talk radio host....

 

[BullNation4Life]

This town has some of the worst sports talk I've ever heard and I have never based my own opinion off of it. You can agree with what is being talked about that. That is usually how it works...you agree or disagree....or blame their parents.

Still spinning your wheels on that subject huh?

 

[eriadoc]

But then there is Occam's razor: the meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" and the conclusion thereof, that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

That's what I was trying to remember when I made that post. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

 

[Chance_C]

Cushing retains award!!

 

[BullNation4Life]

Cushing retains award!!

So would that make him a 2-time DROY award winner?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

CnD is hcg ever used to treat hormal difficencies or other endocrinology disorders?

Maybe cushing isnt saying what he took because he's embarassed

HCG is seldom used for any condition of low testosterone first of all because of long term prohibitive cost, it offers typical inability to maintain stable testosterone elevation, and, most importantly, for the fact that most low testosterone conditions are associated with an inability for the testes to produce testosterone (a function that is necessary for the HCG to be able to produce the desired result).

 

[gtexan02]

HCG is seldom used for any condition of low testosterone first of all because of long term prohibitive cost, it offers typical inability to maintain stable testosterone elevation, and, most importantly, for the fact that most low testosterone conditions are associated with an inability for the testes to produce testosterone (a function that is necessary for the HCG to be able to produce the desired result).

What about if he had gynecomastia? During puberty or something.

Would fit with the presumed 10 year useage