bhsman
Rookie
The "McNabb vomited in the Super Bowl" is the dumbest argument to bring up about him.
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Teddy Bridgewater
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Dude, your suggestion was pure nonsense. Bashing a guy whom you have no knowledge about as far as his up bringing or his financial situation is disingenuous. Like you have any clue at all about Bortles family life or if he grew up as a spoiled child. Lol! You're just making an ass out of yourself.
And then to somehow suggest that some guy that "you think" has had a horrible life is somehow going to be a much better QB because their life was harder has no substance at all. Especially considering the fact that the NFL has tons and tons of guys from poor backgrounds and hard situations they grew up in that totally ruined their careers due to immaturity or due to committing crimes and breaking league rules. You know guys like Pac Man, Russell, VY, Lawrence Phillips, Vick, and etc.
I'm guessing you don't even know what you like about Bridgewater at all when you're having to create propaganda like this to rep some player out of the draft. Seriously that was something I would expect to read in "The Onion" or something like that. For the record, NFL GM's and scouts usually "want" the guy that comes from a good home and a good family with good values instilled in them. That's usually something they'd rather have. :vincepalm:
stingray
Hall of Fame
Some guys will just say dumb **** to stand out.
Allstar
Bona fide
Agreed. Ridiculous.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I normally don't quote you. Your caveman alpha personality is annoying. However, on this topic since you felt the need to write a page of high and mighty suburban ethics ill have you know that my beliefs and inspirations don't have to correspond with yours, and furthermore rooting for the guy who has been faced with adversity instead of the priveleged nemesis is one of the oldest plot lines in history, so spare me your socio political crap okay. Your the immature bully who gets his kicks by defaming and insulting and its sad. You might be taking a sports forum a bit too seriously.
Next time before you fly in with your cape flapping in the wind, acclimate yourself with subplots and twists among the threads and maybe you would see how some people are just trying to have fun around here and unlike you aren't force feeding subjective thoughts and finding humor at the expense of others.
By the way Bortles threw 1 NFL pass, it was in between 3 defenders and on a frozen rope, I mentioned it if not in this thread, in his game thread, but you already knew that didn't you.
I am no expert on QB prospects, far from it. But I like to read what other people and souts are thinking.
I´ve tried to find negative scouting reports on him - I´ve tried to find reasons why not to take him number 1. I couldn`t finde anything. Some people were simply saying stuff like "he is no top 10 player" without elaborating.
Here are the negatives I could find:
- small frame and size (his biggest critizism. Still he is considerably taller than Wilson or Brees and is a pocket passer. Also don`t forget he is only 21 years old, he will fill out his frame with a NFL conditioning program)
- not elite long ball accuracy (this was already a rather small criticism)
- small hands (some people said he has huge hands - combine will have to show)
- bad competition (he excelled in games against good competition)
That`s it - that`s all the negatives I could find. On the plus side:
- elite accuracy
- elite football intelligence (basically the Peyton Manning of college football from a pure intelligence standpoint)
- elite motivation and love for the game
- elite at avoiding the rush
- great leader and teammate
- elite vision
- pro ready
We`ll see at the combine, but from what I have read so far, I don`t see why anyone would not want him at 1.1.
I´ve tried to find negative scouting reports on him - I´ve tried to find reasons why not to take him number 1. I couldn`t finde anything. Some people were simply saying stuff like "he is no top 10 player" without elaborating.
Here are the negatives I could find:
- small frame and size (his biggest critizism. Still he is considerably taller than Wilson or Brees and is a pocket passer. Also don`t forget he is only 21 years old, he will fill out his frame with a NFL conditioning program)
- not elite long ball accuracy (this was already a rather small criticism)
- small hands (some people said he has huge hands - combine will have to show)
- bad competition (he excelled in games against good competition)
That`s it - that`s all the negatives I could find. On the plus side:
- elite accuracy
- elite football intelligence (basically the Peyton Manning of college football from a pure intelligence standpoint)
- elite motivation and love for the game
- elite at avoiding the rush
- great leader and teammate
- elite vision
- pro ready
We`ll see at the combine, but from what I have read so far, I don`t see why anyone would not want him at 1.1.
revan
Waterboy
Nice analysis. After seeing Andy Dalton today, I want to stay away from those low round QBs.
Yeah I mean - several people say stuff like "no franchise QB in this draft", or "I just don`t see it in Bridgewater". But it pretty much seems to be more a gut feeling than a real analyzation of his traits.
To me his through the roof football intelligence and his extraordinary love of the game which leads to him spending every minute of his life trying to get better are the x-factors. Combine that with his great accuracy, pocket presence, stats and competitiveness and I see a winner. If he`d be a couple of inches bigger I don`t think there would even be a question about him - people might even compare him to Luck (not that he is his talent level, but they have some of the same traits) or Manning.
I am not blindly in love with that guy - like I wrote, I want to see what people don`t like about him to get a better understanding of why people are questioning him being worthy of the number 1 pick. Because after watching some tape and reading, what most scouts are saying, I honestly can`t see it.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Dude, your making false claims that you can't support or substantiate in any way. You expect for someone not to question you about that on a sports forum when that is the subject we're discussing? Feel free to provide a link that shows Bortles as this spoiled rich kid who has been fed silver spoons his entire life as you put it. Otherwise you are just pulling stuff out of your ass to make one guy look bad because you like another. I get it. We get it. You like Bridgewater. For all we know Bridgewater is the 2nd coming to Aaron Rodgers. But maybe, just maybe he isn't. Maybe Bortles is the 2nd coming to Blaine Gabbert or Tom Brady. I don't think either of us really knows for sure. We just have our opinions on limited knowledge. But if you're going to sit here and throw out complete false rhetoric, then don't blame others when it is shot down simply as that.
Uuumm, I watched that game and Bortles offense ripped Baylor apart. Bortles did exactly what his team "needed" him to do. His coach doesn't just go out there in some bowl game and design a ton of pass plays for Bortles to make what people will consider "NFL throws" just to please some scouts or increase his draft status. They're trying to win the first BcS bowl game in their school's history? And their offense led by Bortles put up like 50 if I'm not mistaken, but you're grasping at the fact that he didn't make what you call "NFL throws" when the guy just led his team to accomplish the biggest season and biggest win in their school's history. Their team did what they needed to do. The team's goal wasn't to make Bortles the #1 draft pick. Bortles had a great game none the less.
TexansFTW
Veteran
revan
Waterboy
Thanks to my job and watchespn.com, I was able to watch every game of Louisvile to see TB. As you mentioned mike, his main points, accuracy, pocket presence and his competitiveness was displayed in every game this year. What surprised me was how ESPN quickly dropped him for Jameis Winston yet Bridgewater kept putting up the numbers and playing at a high level. If his knock is his level of competition, then that won't be enough to change MY mind on him since those things are out of his hands.
Thanks revan. Since you watched every game, let me ask you about something Corrosion said in another thread. Here are his words:
"As for the reading of defenses it goes a lot deeper than just the presnap read and maybe it has something to do with accuracy as he tends to put a lot of balls in harms way rather than where only his target can make a play , making it seem as if he's forcing a throw rather than going thru his progressions & take the easy throw. (hope this makes sense as its difficult to explain)
He also throws an awful lot of floaters - too much touch rather than putting velocity on his throws."
Do you agree with that statement? When looking at the stats he seems to be extremely accurate - very high completion percentage, very low turnover numbers and two of his 4 last season picks were tipped. But since I haven`t even watched a complete game of him, I can`t really evaluate if this is valid criticism.
So I dont want a QB that throws up on his teammates in a GW SB drive. Litterally choking away the game when it matters the most.
Yeah I'm pretty dumb and set unreasonably high standards.
If you read the link, it pretty much shows that McNabb throwing up in the superbowl is a myth and did most probably not happen. That is what he was referring to...
After seeing Andy Dalton today you should hope the Texans dont take TB #1.
eriadoc
Texan-American
LOL, if you want to stay away from low round QBs, there are two ways to go about it. One is to just draft them at #1 overall, so then they aren't low round.
revan
Waterboy
Well I'm not the kind of guy to just brush off an opinion. I am trying to remember if there were any games in which that may have happened but I don't recall seeing him throw a lot of floaters. If anything the velocity and accuracy of his throws in every game is what won me over. What impressed me the most is his ability to read a defense and look off the safety. I would come here regularly on this thread to see what negative aspects of his game people were talking about, but IMO I just didn't see it. In the end people will believe what they want to believe but I saw enough to pray to the football gods this kid ends up in a Texans uniform.
dc_txtech
All Pro
That might be the most ridiculous thing I've read this week.
You obviously still didn't read the linked article. Do you have a decent link to Jon Runyan saying McNabb threw up?
bhsman
Rookie
So you're either saying you didn't bother to read the article or take TO's word at face value, and neither is an encouraging possibility.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Teddy Bustwater.
bhsman
Rookie
I don't think the problem with Teddy is him busting, because he's not some athletic but raw freak of nature, just that Bortles or even Manziel could have more potential. I think Teddy will be fine wherever he goes, as long as it's not an entirely toxic situation.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
weren't you part of the Keenum Brigade that thought Case was the 2nd coming?
I do think Bridgewater will be a good QB.
Not worth 1-1 but good.
Not worth 1-1 but good.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Weren't you one of those schaub and kubiak lovers until it was obvious they were shit? Even tho that was obvious years ago. Teddy Bustwater was just a joke and I already gave my thoughts on him earlier in the thread. most pro ready, but not the best qb.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'll take that as a yes...& as bad as they were towards the end, Schaub & Kubiak were still able to string together a few wins & a couple of playoff runs a few years ago....Meanwhile, Keenum's still looking for his 1st win & it was about as obvious as your lack of knowledge on qb-ing that he wasn't the answer around game 4-5.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Well he had the best arm and was the most mobile. He was put in a crap situation thanks to your man Kubiak and Schaub. I still think he can be good. He played seven freaking games and showed promise in half of those. Typical of someone playing their first NFL games. Of course, you think an undrafted qb should have played like a top five pick lmao. Who knows, maybe is Schaub wasn't put back in to stroke Kubiak's ego twice, Keenum could have won those games. What games did Schaub win that he started the last month? You act like the no wins was a Keenum problem, when it clearly wasn't.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
All those damn gifs man...Manziel has done all of that in one game.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
you don't have a clue.
showed promise in half? try 2..the chiefs game where the genesis of Kubiak's TIA started b/c he said he put in ungodly hours that week trying to get him ready.. and the Colts game that he had 2 weeks to prepare for coming off the bye...it went downhill after that pretty fast.
Schaub had nothing to do with his situation & you could argue Kubiak put him in the best possible situation. In the midst of the hype, folks were claiming the only reason he went undrafted was b/c of a hamstring injury he suffered at the combine & if not for that he would've been drafted. Now you want to pull the UDFA card now as an excuse? GTFO.
Geno Smith & the jets were absolute garbage this year.still won a couple of games.
The bills were terrible & EJ Manuel couldn't stay on the field...he still won a couple of games.
Mike Glennon & the Bucs were also terrible...he was still was able to lead them to a couple of wins though.
These guys were all rooks seeing their 1st NFL action ever. You mean to tell me a guy in his 2nd year in a system couldn't even match the win totals of them? He even had 2 chances against another team that's drafting in the top 5 in the jags & that was one of his worst games. So bad that Schaub had to be brought in to pick up the pieces...
BigB0iFresh
Waterboy
Is Teddy Bustwater suppose to be funny?
Blake
MMQB
If you are a Manziel fan, then yes.
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It is if you're a Johnny Manswell aka JFF supporter .
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
lol.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
you'll still hear about him...This saga will go the same way the VY saga went...Every little thing he does positive will be brought up by his fan boys on this messageboard...If/when he starts sucking....every excuse known to man will be brought out to defend him..eventually though those excuses will run out & then they'll go in.....
drs23
Veteran
And he's the first rookie 5 year captain!
People complain about his size, well he can take a hit.
I wonder how many of those he can take. If we draft him, we're probably going to find out sooner rather than later.
We get the 6'5" 230lbers killed.
Especially if he keeps rolling to his right with these personnel.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Or what?