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Teddy Bridgewater

thunderkyss said:
Exactly.

But not everyone here believes Bridgewater to be a franchise QB. At least no more than several other guys in this draft. & just like we differ in opinion here, there will be 32 differing opinions of the guys who'll be making the decisions on draft day.

At the moment, I don't think Bridgewater is a franchise QB. I don't think Manziel is a franchise QB. I don't think Bortles is a franchise QB. I don't think Hundley is a franchise QB. I don't think Mettenberger is a franchise QB.

I do believe at least one of those guys will be, but I don't think any one in particular is more likely than the other... at the moment. I do believe some GM of some franchise will think so & with luck it will be the guy who struck out two years ago who happens to have two #1 picks.
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Eh, the NFL is full of guys thinking they're the smartest guy in the room. Why should it be any different amongst us? I just watched the Brady 6 again today and 1 thing always stands out to me every time i watch it. so many of these coaches and scouts were caught up in the measurables, stats and other things when they made their picks...then Belichick comes on explaining why they picked Brady and all he says was "we just saw a guy time and time again making the most of his opportunities"....................Now obviously a little more went into than that, but it was very simple analysis. Not all this garbage about "him being exciting" or "look what he did against this team...look at his stats etc...etc.."

So even when there's an obvious #1 pick like Manning or Luck, there's always a few who think someone else is as good or comparable...hence Leaf and RG3. At the end of the day though, its simply about whether or not the guy is consistent in what he does regardless of who he faces..Bridgewater fits that bill moreso than any of the guys mentioned in this thread.
 
Texian said:
only because I can't help myself, I'll leave y'all w/ this, enjoy;

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline 6m

Podcast @ 9PM: source intimate w/Bill O'Brien "Blake Bortles much more a Bill O'Brien QB than Teddy Bridgewater" http://www.blogtalkradio.com/draft_insider/2014/01/03/draft-insider-podcast …
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Yeah.............and Vick was more of a chip kelly guy than Nick Foles was too.

I dont care how close "the source" is. I dont think you can know what type of Qb he may covet based on 2 years as a HC in college... Not enough of a track record imo..obviously when he makes his choice, we'll all roll with that.
 
Good luck to the Donovan McNaabb/Romo yrs.

Yeah, it's a great idea to reach for a QB.

Why is this franchise where it is?

One QB that wears gloves leading my favorite team in my lifetime is enough.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So give him the Carr treatment? Make him uncomfortable and ultimately ruin his career? Yea great idea. His release point is fine considering the speed in which he let's it go. People are reaching for straws.

After looking at the pic, to me it seems like he's looking someone off and throwing in an opposite direction, but hard to tell by one frame of a play.
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Some people never learn.

Carr vs Peppers all over again.

Good luck with that
 
steelbtexan said:
Good luck to the Donovan McNaabb/Romo yrs.

Yeah, it's a great idea to reach for a QB.

Why is this franchise where it is?

One QB that wears gloves leading my favorite team in my lifetime is enough.
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4 nfc championship games, 1 superbowl appearence, 5 time pro-bowl,but that's not a franchise qb? Ok
 
leebigeztx said:
4 nfc championship games, 1 superbowl appearence, 5 time pro-bowl,but that's not a franchise qb? Ok
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Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
 
steelbtexan said:
Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
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16 play-off games isn't "a few". 9 playoff victories isn't even "a few".

In 13 years, Brees only has 9 playoff games total. And McNabb only played 13 years.

Or is Brees not a franchise QB?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
16 play-off games isn't "a few". 9 playoff victories isn't even "a few".

In 13 years, Brees only has 9 playoff games total. And McNabb only played 13 years.

Or is Brees not a franchise QB?
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How do Brees teammates feel about him?

How did McNabb's teammates feel about him?

This speaks volumes. IMHO

I have exceedingly high expectations whe it comes to a franchise QB. Texans fans should only expect the best. They usualy dont and are like an alcoholic at an AA meeting rationalizing things. Lookin at you DM.
 
steelbtexan said:
Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
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Elway? Same guy who got blasted in the superbowl like 4 times right?

This is retard reasoning. If mcnabb wasn't a franchise qb,then kelly,marino,and a slew of guys are not franchise qb. To me a franchise qb is a guy who is a 10 yr guy,multiple probowls and take your team deep in the playoffs. Why you're critical of mcnabb,tell me his rbs and wrs. How many nfc title games have drew brees been too? Drew brees lost to a 7-9 seattle team and a chad pennington let jets team. Peyton is 2 games under .500 in the playoffs.

When you say higher standard,I like hear your higher standard.
 
Bridgewater is starting to become another Clowney to me: the more tape I watch, the more I want him on the team. If it wasn't highly, highly illegal and improper, maybe we can convince Clowney to enter the supplemental draft and we take him with the 2015 first-round pick of ours?

BTW guys, what is collusion? :kitten:
 
steelbtexan said:
Some people never learn.

Carr vs Peppers all over again.

Good luck with that
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You know, if there were no major questionmarks around Clowney I´d agree with you. But there are. He takes plays of, people have questioned his motivation and drive. And he didn`t dominate last season. Sure, he is still young and last year he was double and tripple teamed (didn`t really stop Watt last season) and he may be the next Peppers. But he is not the clear cut best player in the draft.

He is maybe the best talent in the draft - and with that comes a risk (high risk, high reward).

There has been defensive players hyped up every draft and defensive players have disappeared every draft. Suh was hyped as a generational talent (and he is), but a good QB still means much more to a team than a player like Suh.

It is too easy to say - Carr vs. Peppers all over again. Every pick is a risk, even the "safe" ones like a LT. With Clowney the risk is him never reaching his potential and taking too many plays of. With a QB you always get the highest risk but also the highest reward.

Sure, Bridgewater or whoever will be the highest rated QB after the combine could turn into Carr 2.0. Just like every drafted QB could turn into dog poo. But if our scouts are convinced in him, that would be a risk worth taking.

The only position a team needs at least a quality starter to win the super bowl is QB. You can get away with a bad DE, even with a bad LT if your QB is elusive and has a quick release. But you can`t get away with a QB that crumbles under pressure and can`t get the ball to his receivers. And a QB is hardest to get. You won`t get a real good one via FA, you won`t get one via trade unless there are mjaor questionmarks and you are willing to give up a lot. If you want a QB to turn your franchise around you need to draft one. And right now we are in the best position because we have the number 1 pick.
 
LikeMike said:
You know, if there were no major questionmarks around Clowney I´d agree with you. But there are. He takes plays of, people have questioned his motivation and drive. And he didn`t dominate last season. Sure, he is still young and last year he was double and tripple teamed (didn`t really stop Watt last season) and he may be the next Peppers. But he is not the clear cut best player in the draft.

He is maybe the best talent in the draft - and with that comes a risk (high risk, high reward).

There has been defensive players hyped up every draft and defensive players have disappeared every draft. Suh was hyped as a generational talent (and he is), but a good QB still means much more to a team than a player like Suh.

It is too easy to say - Carr vs. Peppers all over again. Every pick is a risk, even the "safe" ones like a LT. With Clowney the risk is him never reaching his potential and taking too many plays of. With a QB you always get the highest risk but also the highest reward.

Sure, Bridgewater or whoever will be the highest rated QB after the combine could turn into Carr 2.0. Just like every drafted QB could turn into dog poo. But if our scouts are convinced in him, that would be a risk worth taking.

The only position a team needs at least a quality starter to win the super bowl is QB. You can get away with a bad DE, even with a bad LT if your QB is elusive and has a quick release. But you can`t get away with a QB that crumbles under pressure and can`t get the ball to his receivers. And a QB is hardest to get. You won`t get a real good one via FA, you won`t get one via trade unless there are mjaor questionmarks and you are willing to give up a lot. If you want a QB to turn your franchise around you need to draft one. And right now we are in the best position because we have the number 1 pick.
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pay no attention to him, the 2 situations aren't even in the same ballpark. The talent we have on the team now may not be as high as we thought but It's still light years better than anything Carr had to work with his 1st 3 years. The coaching also projects to be better...I'd like to think that O'brien as an offensive coach will be better at developing a young qb than Capers the defensive coach was with Carr. The expectations, the fan fare....far and away won't be the same.

It's a stretch of "Mr. Fantastic" proportions to compare the 2 situations really.
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I find it funny how some people can't distinguish a HOF QB from a franchise type guy, and even funnier how anyone fails to acknowledge the metrics set before them and uses bias and personal opinion to formulate an opinion. Makes them look foolish.

Just wait until coaches and sports hosts start putting those kids in front of a chalkboard, it will end the debate rather quickly.

Gruden is liable to have an on air orgasm when he gets to pick Teddys brain.
 
Texian said:
Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
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Good quote. And I agree with it 100%. But being afraid to take a QB because Carr was a bust and Peppers has a pro-bowl filled career is not learning from the past. Its running away from it.
 
Number19 said:
This should be something very correctable if it proves to need correcting.

I've said my concern, now what I really like is the fact he's been coached to run the offense at the line of scrimmage, much as Peyton Manning does. O'Brian's offense is complicated and he's said his QB's must have the intelligence and instincts to make instant, correct decisions. Bridgewater, by all accounts, is one of the most capable in this area to ever come out of college. He should be as ready as any rookie has ever been to take the reins from day one of the season.
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And that is what I think is going to be exactly what swings Coach 0 onto the TB train. TD Ted is exactly the QB that he describes in the seminar vid that was posted a couple of days ago. My line of thinking says if someone that has exactly the qualifications you're looking for falls into your lap ya take him.
 
drs23 said:
And that is what I think is going to be exactly what swings Coach 0 onto the TB train. TD Ted is exactly the QB that he describes in the seminar vid that was posted a couple of days ago. My line of thinking says if someone that has exactly the qualifications you're looking for falls into your lap ya take him.
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Yep ... all the measurables known to man doesn't trump the ability to run an offense at the LOS .
 
Texian said:
Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
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We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
 
infantrycak said:
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
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Now why would the Texans want a cat that won't sit on cold stove lid? :)
 
I'm hoping the combine helps sort them out better than watching film and the games thus far.

Clowney probably has the best raw potential, but he needs to take less plays off and his technique will need some work against NFL lineman.

Bridgewater has overall good technique (there are some question regarding release point and the deep ball), but hasn't played enough great competition to see how he'd fare on Sundays. Is used to a Pro-style Offense. Needs to put on some muscle.

Manziel is a wild card. His technique is all over the place, but improved markedly after time w/ QB guru. Great leadership and threat when play breaks down. Still has issues with blitz pickup. Great deep ball. Short and undersized leads to durability concerns, especially with his tendency to run.

Jake Matthews has faltered as of late. Short arms and tends to wait for pass rushers to come to him. More suited as a RT. Will start from day 1.

Blake Bortles still needs some polish to his game. He's NFL sized now. Missing the booming downfield arm of some of his peers. Not quite immobile, but not the running threat of either Manziel or Bridgewater.

Several of them look "good", and great at times. I'd prefer more consistency on the great side at 1:1.
 
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Not sure if it was mentioned but Lance Z said he perfered Manizel at this point over the other QB's. Not sure if thats just talk or pot stirring or what. But he said it.
 
Blake said:
Not sure if it was mentioned but Lance Z said he perfered Manizel at this point over the other QB's. Not sure if thats just talk or pot stirring or what. But he said it.
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Lance is usually pretty good when he's talking discussing the Offensive Line and OL players.
 
drs23 said:
Number19 said:
O'Brian's offense is complicated and he's said his QB's must have the intelligence and instincts to make instant, correct decisions.
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And that is what I think is going to be exactly what swings Coach 0 onto the TB train. TD Ted is exactly the QB that he describes in the seminar vid that was posted a couple of days ago. My line of thinking says if someone that has exactly the qualifications you're looking for falls into your lap ya take him.
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Except that's what all coaches say about their QBs. I've yet to come across one saying, "We're just looking for the most physically gifted guy we can find. Mentally week is preferable so we can train him to think like a monkey. This NFL offense really isn't that difficult. You'll see how easy it is to stymie once we lose our physically gifted athlete."

As "simple" as everyone believes Kubiak's offense to be, we kicked butt when Schaub didn't have his head up his butt. Denver (2012), Baltimore (2012), Seattle (2013)... the best defenses in the league struggled with it. Schaub doesn't have audibles, but what he did have was just as effective & takes as a QB equally as smart.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Yea, after the RG3 fleecing/fiasco I doubt many teams will be willing to mortgage the future irrespective of talent available.

So the knock on Teddy has gone from small hands to a less than perfect release angle? I'm still feeling great. Folks keep using the "I wouldn't take Teddy just because" argumentnot lending anything tangible to their stance.

Name me another pro ready QB with the cerebral ability of Bridgewater. I'll wait.
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Back to BPA vs BQBA. Trades happen when either differences in need or (in this case) differences in evaluation occur. We see these differences on the board and they also happen in FOs of the various teams. Would fixing the sieve in the OL make Shaub or Keenum or even Yates a more viable QB? Would not fixing that doom any of the QBs to failure including Teddy or Johnny?

These are the things which will be evaluated after BOB has put his staff together and they get a feel for what we have now. Who is likely to come off IR ready to play and who isn't. Who do we retain and who do we pick up in FA? only then will we have the information necessary to determine how we will approach the draft. Draftnicks are position conscious rather than BPA conscious. It's all they have to work with.

It will be a couple of weeks before we even know who will be in the draft. only them will we really have an inkling of what we're distributing.
 
Teddy Bridgewater is my favorite for the selection at #1 overall right now.

Most importantly I feel like he has high football IQ, understands the game and what offenses and defenses are doing... and has a drive to always get better and improve. Those are 2 qualities I feel a Franchise QB like Brady and Manning MUST have.

Other pluses include history in a pro style offense, being forced by his OC to read defenses pre snap, make audibles and adjustments, be the onfield coordinator, read the entire field, call the appropriate play and then execute it. He is a QB in the head and heart, he has excellent pocket presence and is athletic enough to extend plays with his legs while always keeping eyes downfield to throw first and run second. He has virtually 3 years of experience as a starter and has steadily improved every single season. He's been very successful both statistically and with W/L's. He appears to also be a "high character" individual off the field staying out of trouble and focusing on school and football. Graduated HS early to enroll at Louisville to get an edge on winning the QB job (an unpopular decision from decommitting from Miami).

Cons would be his "size" and "competition". Height is fine but weight is concern listed from 196-205 range? Honestly to me he does not look scrawny thin though...I feel over the next several years his body will continue to develop as he ages from 21-24 ("ish")...just natural development as well as being a professional full time football player and with NFL (Texans) strength and conditioning coaches. Competition is not a major concern for me in all honesty. While it is not "SEC Defenses"... he's not facing Division III teams all season. Beat a hell of a Florida team last season in the Sugar Bowl. He has done everything right, beat the teams he's supposed to and rebounded from games they've lost (like UCF).

He's the only QB I feel comfortable saying I think he has Franchise QB potential. Bortles is a guy I need to learn more about. Manziel will be fun to watch but he's not my 10-15 year franchise QB. McCarron is a career backup/bottom half of league starter - might have a fine career but nothing special to me.

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Has Bortles ever worked through injury or faced adversity in his life? Another rich kid who has been given everything on a silver platter?

Hard to measure heart and desire to rise from the ashes.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Has Bortles ever worked through injury or faced adversity in his life? Another rich kid who has been given everything on a silver platter?

Hard to measure heart and desire to rise from the ashes.
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Wow, you are really out to get Bortles and any QB not named Bridgewater. I was playing catchup in this part of the forum this morning and you are really coming down hard on Bortles for any perceived negative imaginable.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Wow, you are really out to get Bortles and any QB not named Bridgewater. I was playing catchup in this part of the forum this morning and you are really coming down hard on Bortles for any perceived negative imaginable.
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lol he's giving texian a taste of his own troll medicine.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Has Bortles ever worked through injury or faced adversity in his life? Another rich kid who has been given everything on a silver platter?

Hard to measure heart and desire to rise from the ashes.
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What kind of stupid questioning is this? A guy isn't ready for the pros because you think he comes from a good household?By far one if the dumbest comments I've read in here.
 
Stole this quote from Double Barrel (Wade Phillips wants to stay) thread but this is exactly how Teddy Bridegwater impresses me - “You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.”
~ Bruce Lee
 
leebigeztx said:
Elway? Same guy who got blasted in the superbowl like 4 times right?

This is retard reasoning. If mcnabb wasn't a franchise qb,then kelly,marino,and a slew of guys are not franchise qb. To me a franchise qb is a guy who is a 10 yr guy,multiple probowls and take your team deep in the playoffs. Why you're critical of mcnabb,tell me his rbs and wrs. How many nfc title games have drew brees been too? Drew brees lost to a 7-9 seattle team and a chad pennington let jets team. Peyton is 2 games under .500 in the playoffs.

When you say higher standard,I like hear your higher standard.
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Higher standard includes not throwing up on your teammates during a possible SB winning drive. BTW, didn't McNabb have T.O./Westbrook? Not exactly chopped liver? McNabbs own teammates have even called him a choker.
 
steelbtexan said:
Higher standard includes not throwing up on your teammates during a possible SB winning drive. BTW, didn't McNabb have T.O./Westbrook? Not exactly chopped liver? McNabbs own teammates have even called him a choker.
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WTF are you talking about? TO called him that, and TO has blasted every QB he ever played with. Mcnabb carried those Philly teams for years with trash at WR. Absolute trash. He had guys like Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, and Jason Avant. He had Kevin Curtis healthy for one season as well. Wow!! Then he had barely more than half a season with TO before he got hurt and Mcnabb took that team to the SB "without him." TO did nothing but tear the locker room apart and tried to make it seem like Mcnabb was some wimp all because he didn't beat a team who had just won their 3rd SB, despite the fact that he came close to winning the game. It was one of the worst criticisms ever by a receiver, and hardly anyone even bought it considering the main source of the criticisms. Mcnabb was considered an elite QB for several years in the NFL.
 
Wow look at all the priveleged kids in here. Sorry to strike a nerve.

But I most certainly do believe and root for those good guys in life who have been given a bad hand, not those silver spoon sucking 1%ers who get everything they want. And no I would never troll Texian, he is the resident expert around here <wink> fish food.
 
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