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I would trade for a RZ game plan coach.
Nope. I don't think the Texans really have anyone they can afford to lose or draft picks to trade away for anything on the Oline. That's the main thing I care about. We need to draft Oline heavy for the next 2 yrs. Unfortunately, I don't see us as being in a food trade position right now, and I usually always am. We need to build through the draft.
Unless you're considering Clowney for good compensation. I don't see him being worth the resigning extention so if his value pulled a good enough package I'd consider it for a few picks or a good player that we'd be able to have for a few yrs.
Nobody wants a Texans offensive lineman, throw that out. Clowney however keeps building and improving in spite of the doom that has been put on him. If I could trade Clowney for a first I'd take it in a heartbeat, and turn that directly to Arizona for Pat Pete. We come out even with Mercilus taking that spot (cheaper), and acquire a desperately needed corner without losing the picks needed to draft linemen.
Or JDC for PP would work. I'd even throw in a 4th
Essentially the same, but yes. If we could find a way to work JDC for Pat Pete - either directly or not (no pressure Gaine) - we could improve the team, save money, lock up a first team all-pro, and keep our picks. And we may actually be stronger with Mercilus being a better pair to Watt, as well as putting one of our safeties into the box instead of floating Mercilus in unnatural situations.
Why would a team that is going to be in the bottom 3 of the league, that is just starting their rebuild trade for a guy they are going to have to pay a ton of money to keep, for another star who they have under a very friendly contract? If they do trade PP it's going to be for picks most likely maybe a young player still under contract for awhile, but I can't see any scenario where they would want Clowney.
If you trade JDC this season you are telling your team you are punting on the season, I don't care if you work another deal to get PP in here. Trading JDC is throwing the towel in on this season, he is to important for our defense, in both the run and pass game. Just go back to the Titans game this year, yea their Gabbert lead offense didn't fair all that well against us, but when they needed a drive, when they had to move the ball to regain the lead they attacked right where Clowney would be. Mercilus is a good player, he is not on the same level as JDC though.
Shishkabob, my fear is the towel the Texans would be throwing in on this season would only be expediting the obvious......a disappointing end to the 2019 season either at the conclusion of the regular season or the first round of the playoffs. Have you seen something in the past 4 weeks that would have you feel that the Texans are going to make a Super Bowl push? Unfortunately, they only get till 30 Oct to determine which way this season goes.
Never implied otherwise - for example I did mention his talent.That's not what I see. I see a QB who is alway top 3 at getting the ball out quick.
My name ain't Bob but if I may?Shishkabob, my fear is the towel the Texans would be throwing in on this season would only be expediting the obvious......a disappointing end to the 2019 season either at the conclusion of the regular season or the first round of the playoffs. Have you seen something in the past 4 weeks that would have you feel that the Texans are going to make a Super Bowl push? Unfortunately, they only get till 30 Oct to determine which way this season goes.
Maybe but if we don't we are then stuck between a rock and a hard place with the decision to either franchise JD or reach an agreement for a longer-term deal after the 2018 season.If you trade JDC this season you are telling your team you are punting on the season, I don't care if you work another deal to get PP in here. Trading JDC is throwing the towel in on this season, he is to important for our defense, in both the run and pass game. Just go back to the Titans game this year, yea their Gabbert lead offense didn't fair all that well against us, but when they needed a drive, when they had to move the ball to regain the lead they attacked right where Clowney would be. Mercilus is a good player, he is not on the same level as JDC though.
Maybe but if we don't we are then stuck between a rock and a hard place with the decision to either franchise JD or reach an agreement for a longer-term deal after the 2018 season.
We've had many discussions on this subject, but isn't the trade deadline only a week away so we will know soon about any decision to trade Clowney ?
Yes but there's still the concern and uncertainty re his injury status over the next couple years as long as he's on our roster. Thankfully he seems to be currently fit and healthy but several folks including one or two on this board who's opinions we value highly believe he's basically playing on borrowed time right now.It's really not a rock and a hard place. A team that is going to wan to trade for Clowney now is going to want to sign him long term anyways, so if you are set on trading him you franchise him after the season and trade him to a team who wants to sign him long term, if the Texans don't plan on doing it. We are not in fire sale mode, we are currently in first place of our division with a good shot at the playoffs with how our schedule looks, you do not trade away one of your top 3 or 4 players mid season unless you plan on tanking and starting a rebuild
Another thought is that JJ is not getting any younger so a quality pass rusher like Clowney, who is already up to NFL speed and familiar with our system is a no brainer.It's really not a rock and a hard place. A team that is going to wan to trade for Clowney now is going to want to sign him long term anyways, so if you are set on trading him you franchise him after the season and trade him to a team who wants to sign him long term, if the Texans don't plan on doing it. We are not in fire sale mode, we are currently in first place of our division with a good shot at the playoffs with how our schedule looks, you do not trade away one of your top 3 or 4 players mid season unless you plan on tanking and starting a rebuild
If someone wants to do the research, look for a OL on an expiring contract on a non-contending team. That’s the best bet for a trade for a lineman. You could do the same at CB or RB.
Why would a team that is going to be in the bottom 3 of the league, that is just starting their rebuild trade for a guy they are going to have to pay a ton of money to keep, for another star who they have under a very friendly contract? If they do trade PP it's going to be for picks most likely maybe a young player still under contract for awhile, but I can't see any scenario where they would want Clowney.
If you trade JDC this season you are telling your team you are punting on the season, I don't care if you work another deal to get PP in here. Trading JDC is throwing the towel in on this season, he is to important for our defense, in both the run and pass game. Just go back to the Titans game this year, yea their Gabbert lead offense didn't fair all that well against us, but when they needed a drive, when they had to move the ball to regain the lead they attacked right where Clowney would be. Mercilus is a good player, he is not on the same level as JDC though.
Because they'd be getting a 25 year old elite defensive end on a new long term contract. If you're rebuilding, that's step 1.
I don't think it's throwing in the towel at all, but I am a lot higher on Mercilus than most. He's not quite as good a Clowney of course, but IMO we'd come out even with a better edge pass rush and nickel packages.
Saints called Arizona about Peterson, and then made the trade for Apple. Realistically the Saints, without their 1st and 3rd this year, didn't have the draft capital to make a trade even if Arizona would be willing to play ball
https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25062647/new-orleans-saints-acquire-cb-eli-apple-trade-new-york-giants?platform=amp
Here is one link that supports his claim.
What's your source for that?
Never left, where'd you go?Good too see you back
How would you rate Watson's performance this yr.
He's done well considering he's playing with broken ribs.
I'd be all over PP for a second round pick (or a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th if necessary). If money can be worked out for a long term deal, and I'd talk to Matthieu about how he feels working with PP again as well as Badger's potential to sign long term - I'd go to a first round pick. Pat Pete is prime at 28, and with little injury history and zero missed games, he's still got a solid 5-6 years in the tank with his athleticism. Joseph is still doing work and Kareem is having a ProBowl type season at CB/S hybrid, but age is catching up and we struggle to acquire and coach talent at the corner position - a big time CB for the next half decade would buy us a lot of flexibility.
Perrine looked dangerous running in the games I saw - runs hard.I'd still make an inexpensive play for Washington Redskins RB, Samaje Perine. I'd offer the Redskins a RD6 to take him off their hands or trade them Ervin straight-up. I think Perine would arrive with a massive chip on his shoulder.
I read a good piece on CBS Sports about potential trades before the deadline. They surmised the Texans should be seller's since their 4-3 record does not indicate they're a really good team. The Texans are not a player or two away from challenging the Patriots, Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers or Ravens this season or next...if we applied some unbiased reality to this situation, the Texans need a mini-rebuild. This starts from the HC straight down to the Depth Chart......mini-rebuild!, may be what some y'all may be thinking. I think there are assets worth building around from a talent and financial standpoint. The Texans are in need of another couple of drafts that would be on the same level excellence as the first one Gaine executed.
If I were to initiate a sell-off of some the teams assets, it's not like I would be tearing apart an elite team or SB contender......I'd be assessing the future of this team based on a record that shows 4-3 but could just as easily be 2-5. Also, it would be a different matter if this team was full of 1 and 2 year players as well as a rookie HC......they're not, this team is playing under a 5 year coaching staff and many veteran players. This is not a Championship caliber team, not really close unfortunately.
I would sit O'Brien down if I were Gaine and make him map out his offense to me. Then I would make him commit to this offense by asking him to tell me what type of players should be pursued in the draft and/or FA to make his system successful. I would then let him know that if his overall program proves to have any weaknesses at any coaching position, including OC, he would be held 100% responsible and could be fired for any failures within his staff, if he doesn't initiate a proactive move before it becomes apparent to anyone else in the FO.
I'm not sold on this current 4-3 record and my biggest concern, 9-7 is just good enough to leave everything as is b/c like seasons past, this 9-7 record will prove to be an aberration not the foundation of greater things to come. I would like to see more picks in 2019 and 2020 for Brian Gaine to work with and maybe even a new HC if Gaine could get McNair on board with a much needed change.
I read a good piece on CBS Sports about potential trades before the deadline. They surmised the Texans should be seller's since their 4-3 record does not indicate they're a really good team. The Texans are not a player or two away from challenging the Patriots, Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers or Ravens this season or next...if we applied some unbiased reality to this situation, the Texans need a mini-rebuild. This starts from the HC straight down to the Depth Chart......mini-rebuild!, may be what some y'all may be thinking. I think there are assets worth building around from a talent and financial standpoint. The Texans are in need of another couple of drafts that would be on the same level excellence as the first one Gaine executed.
If I were to initiate a sell-off of some the teams assets, it's not like I would be tearing apart an elite team or SB contender......I'd be assessing the future of this team based on a record that shows 4-3 but could just as easily be 2-5. Also, it would be a different matter if this team was full of 1 and 2 year players as well as a rookie HC......they're not, this team is playing under a 5 year coaching staff and many veteran players. This is not a Championship caliber team, not really close unfortunately.
I would sit O'Brien down if I were Gaine and make him map out his offense to me. Then I would make him commit to this offense by asking him to tell me what type of players should be pursued in the draft and/or FA to make his system successful. I would then let him know that if his overall program proves to have any weaknesses at any coaching position, including OC, he would be held 100% responsible and could be fired for any failures within his staff, if he doesn't initiate a proactive move before it becomes apparent to anyone else in the FO.
I'm not sold on this current 4-3 record and my biggest concern, 9-7 is just good enough to leave everything as is b/c like seasons past, this 9-7 record will prove to be an aberration not the foundation of greater things to come. I would like to see more picks in 2019 and 2020 for Brian Gaine to work with and maybe even a new HC if Gaine could get McNair on board with a much needed change.
I agree with much of this.
But they will still be able to find players if they finish 9-7. I'm betting on Gaine finding 4 guys that will be starters or atleast really good depth pieces after seeing how he did without 1st or 2nd rd picks last yr, even if they finish 9-7.
I'm willing to give Gaine/BOB a couple of yrs before judging BOB. I personally think the team is talent deficient due to the former regime. (He Gone) I want to give the Gaine/BOB regime a fair chance to succeed and firing BOB after this season or next as long as the team is showing progress (Which they are) I'm good with the current course the team is on. BOB does need to hire an OC which I think will happen this offseason (Ryan) and be more of a risk taker late in games. I'm not sure that's going to happen.
P3 - Gaine is a different fish from Smith.P1- The Texans have placed themselves in no man's land again. I suspect that the Texans are willing to get and try to get lucky with the cast of characters that they have.
P2-The history of the Texans show they are most likely to stay pat when they are contending for the division title. If we are to be surprised it with acquiring something not selling
P3- What makes you think BOB and Gaine are not on the same page regarding the offense...most importantly Gaine does NOT have the authority to fire BOB 9ifhave read correctly) .
P4- Not whether or not we are sold, the Texans view of 4-3 and the division lead is what matters. We have multi history of seeing how they react when in this position.
Yes, in short looking alot like same spit different year...
P1- The Texans have placed themselves in no man's land again. I suspect that the Texans are willing to get and try to get lucky with the cast of characters that they have.
P2-The history of the Texans show they are most likely to stay pat when they are contending for the division title. If we are to be surprised it with acquiring something not selling
P3- What makes you think BOB and Gaine are not on the same page regarding the offense...most importantly Gaine does NOT have the authority to fire BOB 9ifhave read correctly) .
P4- Not whether or not we are sold, the Texans view of 4-3 and the division lead is what matters. We have multi history of seeing how they react when in this position.
Yes, in short looking alot like same spit different year...
I agree with much of this.
But they will still be able to find players if they finish 9-7. I'm betting on Gaine finding 4 guys that will be starters or atleast really good depth pieces after seeing how he did without 1st or 2nd rd picks last yr, even if they finish 9-7.
I'm willing to give Gaine/BOB a couple of yrs before judging BOB. I personally think the team is talent deficient due to the former regime. (He Gone) I want to give the Gaine/BOB regime a fair chance to succeed and firing BOB after this season or next as long as the team is showing progress (Which they are) I'm good with the current course the team is on. BOB does need to hire an OC which I think will happen this offseason (Ryan) and be more of a risk taker late in games. I'm not sure that's going to happen.
Has anything changed in O'Brien's Coaching ability over the past 5 seasons that makes anyone comfortable with him continuing as HC for another 2 seasons, while keeping Devlin as his OL Coach, maintaining the OC roll, and Gaine at the helm. I just don't get the warm and fuzzies in regards to O'Brien relinquishing his control of the OC position or him and Devlin somehow figuring out how to coach up the next two season's worth of draft picks.
I know I'm being tough.....but damn, there's been zero growth and only a slow fall backwards. Far better coaches have been released/fired for less.
Change that you want is coming, Ryan will be OC next yr. (The Pats way is to give the future OC that's already on staff a couple of yrs to grow on the job before promoting them to OC.)
I dont know if Devlin will be gone but he should be.
Biggest change is Gaine knows what kind of players BOB wants and will draft accordingly.
Change that you want is coming, Ryan will be OC next yr. (The Pats way is to give the future OC that's already on staff a couple of yrs to grow on the job before promoting them to OC.)
I dont know if Devlin will be gone but he should be.
Biggest change is Gaine knows what kind of players BOB wants and will draft accordingly.
I would definitely entertain packages that included Clowney. Especially if you can get P2 in an even swap. I'd be working the phones using Clowney to try to address every single position of need. As far as players that may be available, I'd make a hard run at P2.Nope. I don't think the Texans really have anyone they can afford to lose or draft picks to trade away for anything on the Oline. That's the main thing I care about. We need to draft Oline heavy for the next 2 yrs. Unfortunately, I don't see us as being in a food trade position right now, and I usually always am. We need to build through the draft.
Unless you're considering Clowney for good compensation. I don't see him being worth the resigning extention so if his value pulled a good enough package I'd consider it for a few picks or a good player that we'd be able to have for a few yrs.
I would definitely entertain packages that included Clowney. Especially if you can get P2 in an even swap. I'd be working the phones using Clowney to try to address every single position of need. As far as players that may be available, I'd make a hard run at P2.
Draft picks are only as good as the person making them. I'll happily give up draft picks for proven NFL talent. It's trading draft pick for more draft picks that gets me. The draft is a total crapshoot.