Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0

[NYTexansFan]

That's nothing new. The defense (sprinkled with the running game) has been the major component in every Texan win this season. It's a good defense, with one of the greatest defenders to ever play the game. But, it's not the '85 Bears. That's why the Texans aren't going to the playoffs and that's why they need a QB.

People forget that the defense wasn't always playing well early in the year and also contributed to some losses. You think that was a solid first performance against Indy? It took a while for this defense to come around. Look at the stats and numbers. There were some turnovers that kept the point totals for the opposition in check, but the defense was getting gashed often and early in the season. I think that with the level that Fitz and Mallett demonstrated they can play at in recent starts, combined with an emerging defense, the team could win 11-12 games next season. A strong draft and 1-2 solid FA signings wouldn't hurt, either.

 

[Corrosion]

Keenum is still Keenum, and the win against the Ravens does not change that.

I agree with that .... But I think he's better than Savage.

I also believe its pointless to go thru another season with Fitz as the starter.

Don't know what to think about Mallett ... didn't get to see enough.

I'd start the season with Mallett , a draft pick & Keenum and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[thunderkyss]

Why would anyone realistically be up on Savage?

He was a five star recruit out of highschool. He's got prototypical size & a strong arm. He had a promising rookie season & despite not playing a lot between his rookie season & his senior season, he had a promising senior season.

I'd like to think that had he played three or four consecutive years in college, he'd be one of the top QB prospects in the last draft. Speculation... I know.

I'm hoping OB has found his guy & he's going about the right way bringing him along.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've got other idea's ...

Ditch Fitz , he's not going to change his spots , we know what he is & he isn't going to lead us to the promised land.

Savage .... I think he's 2-3 years away from being a capable backup. Shoulda been on the PS this season. I'd cut him.

I'd resign Mallett & Keenum and let them fight it out .... along with drafting a QB early. Mariota is likely gone at or before #2. Winston , even with his off the field problems , I see someone taking him in the top 10.
Hundley & Dak Prescott are the next two prospects. Wouldn't take either with a mid first rounder where it appears the Texans will pick (13ish?) but I would consider making a move back into the tail end of the first round or earlier in the second round for one of them.

I like Savage's potential to become a franchise QB just as much as Hundley and much more than Prescott. What do you think gives these guys a better chance than Savage?

 

[Lucky]

People forget that the defense wasn't always playing well early in the year and also contributed to some losses. You think that was a solid first performance against Indy? It took a while for this defense to come around. Look at the stats and numbers.

Ok, let's look at the numbers. The Texans defense is 6th in the league in points allowed. Numero uno is turnovers forced. That's a playoff defense, right now. Not next year.

In the NFL of 2014, sometimes a defense will give up yards. And some TDs. That's when the offense has to pickup the slack. I think the Texans running game held up their end of the bargain. The passing game did not. That usually falls on the trigger man.

What's the definition of insanity, again? Do the same thing over and over, and expect different results. The Texans would be 8-8, maybe 9-7 with another year of Fitz. That's assuming he has another career year. And I think we both realize that the Texans won't go with Fitz in 2015, even if we differ on what the results would be. Right?

 

[speedfreek]

Savage was a very pedestrian QB in college. he did nothing to
separate himself.

He was only a prospect based on his "measurables".
His career completion percentage was 56.8, and his TD/INT
ratio was less than 2 to 1.

To be honest, we might have been the only team hot after
the guy in the draft..

We PS him and only a desperate team rolls the dice on him.

If it were me, I'd roll with

1) Mallet if he is healthy
2) Keenum, who can be a spark and has legit starting experience
3) first round QB pick
PS) Savage

No more Fitz, he's not worth the price of what it would take
to keep him.

 

[JB]

Savage was a very pedestrian QB in college. he did nothing to
separate himself.

He was only a prospect based on his "measurables".
His career completion percentage was 56.8, and his TD/INT
ratio was less than 2 to 1.

To be honest, we might have been the only team hot after
the guy in the draft..

We PS him and only a desperate team rolls the dice on him.

If it were me, I'd roll with

1) Mallet if he is healthy
2) Keenum, who can be a spark and has legit starting experience
3) first round QB pick
PS) Savage

No more Fitz, he's not worth the price of what it would take
to keep him.

What QB (outside of Mariota) would you consider worthy of that 1st round pick?

 

[NYTexansFan]

Ok, let's look at the numbers. The Texans defense is 6th in the league in points allowed. Numero uno is turnovers forced. That's a playoff defense, right now. Not next year.

In the NFL of 2014, sometimes a defense will give up yards. And some TDs. That's when the offense has to pickup the slack. I think the Texans running game held up their end of the bargain. The passing game did not. That usually falls on the trigger man.

What's the definition of insanity, again? Do the same thing over and over, and expect different results. The Texans would be 8-8, maybe 9-7 with another year of Fitz. That's assuming he has another career year. And I think we both realize that the Texans won't go with Fitz in 2015, even if we differ on what the results would be. Right?

Calm down...the defense was borderline awful through the first six games...stripping the ball out of the offensive players hands after 70 yard drives and giving your team the ball inside the opponents 10 yard line hardly qualifies as great defense. How about forcing some 3 and outs? And tell me again about that first game against Indy? The defense was nothing short of horrific.

 

[thunderkyss]

Savage was a very pedestrian QB in college. he did nothing to
separate himself.

You'd think it would make Case "look" better by throwing crap at his competition. In truth, it don't really work that way.

As far as Savage's college numbers, look at it like this:

Freshman: Played several games.
Sophomore: Got hurt early in the season, lost his job
Junior: Did not play at all
Senior: Did not play at all
Senior: Started all year.

So there really wasn't an opportunity to learn one system, or build chemistry with any player on his team, his senior season may as well been his freshman season, but he completed 61% of his passes with a 7.6 yard average, just under 3,000 yards, 21 TDs, 9 Ints for a 138 passer rating.

That's a guy dedicated to his craft, perfecting his skills even though he wasn't able to play the two years leading up to his final season in college.

If it were me, I'd roll with

1) Mallet if he is healthy
2) Keenum, who can be a spark and has legit starting experience
3) first round QB pick
PS) Savage

No more Fitz, he's not worth the price of what it would take
to keep him.

I think it should be

1. Mallett/Keenum
2. Savage
3. Promising draft pick or UDFA

If we sign Mallett, he's our starter. If we don't, I'd get Keenum to start (I don't like Fitzpatrick). But the idea is to bring Savage along slowly. If he gets the opportunity to play, he should look at it as his opportunity to win the job.

I don't think Case or Fitzpatrick wants to run our scout team & if they do, I don't want them on our team. They'd be better off going somewhere competing for a starting/back-up job somewhere else.

I think Mallett is a potential starter. I think Savage is a potential starter. I think Fitz & Case are place-holders.

 

[Lucky]

Calm down...the defense was borderline awful through the first six games...stripping the ball out of the offensive players hands after 70 yard drives and giving your team the ball inside the opponents 10 yard line hardly qualifies as great defense. How about forcing some 3 and outs? And tell me again about that first game against Indy? The defense was nothing short of horrific.

I'm done. You're an apologist for a player and you're going to blame everyone and everything except the player your apologizing for. I can't have a serious conversation with someone like that.

 

[NYTexansFan]

I'm done. You're an apologist for a player and you're going to blame everyone and everything except the player your apologizing for. I can't have a serious conversation with someone like that.

It's ridiculous how much this team f'd up around Fitz early in the season...wide receivers fumbling on potential game winning drives, special teams blunders, yet you are an apologist for everyone around him. Get real. Fitz can be better, The team has room for improvement. It's a team game., my friend. The team has a winning record. The same team that lost 14 in a row last season and has gotten little if any help from draft picks. But of course, Fitz was supposed to instantly turn them into champions. And you are done talking to me...

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree with that .... But I think he's better than Savage.

I also believe its pointless to go thru another season with Fitz as the starter.

Don't know what to think about Mallett ... didn't get to see enough.

I'd start the season with Mallett , a draft pick & Keenum and let the chips fall where they may.

So you haven't seen enough of Mallett

But you have seen enough of Savage?

Does not compute.

 

[NYTexansFan]

So you haven't seen enough of Mallett

But you have seen enough of Savage?

Does not compute.

Amazing amount of irrationality around here...

 

[thunderkyss]

It's ridiculous how much this team f'd up around Fitz early in the season...wide receivers fumbling on potential game winning drives

Didn't Fitz fumble on the very next drive?

 

[NYTexansFan]

Didn't Fitz fumble on the very next drive?

There is a radical difference between fumbling the ball as a WR when you are not even touched and getting hit by a 300 lb. lineman when scrambling to try to make a play when your protection breaks down.

 

[JB]

It's ridiculous how much this team f'd up around Fitz early in the season...wide receivers fumbling on potential game winning drives, special teams blunders, yet you are an apologist for everyone around him. Get real. Fitz can be better, The team has room for improvement. It's a team game., my friend. The team has a winning record. The same team that lost 14 in a row last season and has gotten little if any help from draft picks. But of course, Fitz was supposed to instantly turn them into champions. And you are done talking to me...

Yes, everyone made mistakes. Everyone needed to play better. Coaches needed to coach better. But you're refusing to place any blame on Fitz. Yes he had some decent games. Yes he had a career season (for him). He even had a very good game against Tennessee in Tennessee. He was a good game manager in some games, others he failed miserably. But he had lots of problems too. Didn't you see all the passes behind the receivers? The ones in the dirt? He held the ball too long and took un-necessary sacks when he could have and should have got rid of the ball. He helped quite a bit with his scrambling, hurt quite a bit with his slow pace. He was better when the team went to hurry up but still spent too much time in-play. When the team had to rely on him, he couldn't deliver.

The QB is not supposed to let the team drag him down. He's supposed to be the leader. He's supposed to raise the level of play of those around him.
Fitz failed at this.

Your particular shtick for him is old. No offense and I hope ya'll all have a merry xmas in the Fitzpatrick household.

 

[thunderkyss]

There is a radical difference between fumbling the ball as a WR when you are not even touched and getting hit by a 300 lb. lineman when scrambling to try to make a play when your protection breaks down.

& you don't understand Lucky's last statement?

You ever visit HoustonTexans.com? They'd love you over there.

 

[NYTexansFan]

Yes, everyone made mistakes. Everyone needed to play better. Coaches needed to coach better. But you're refusing to place any blame on Fitz. Yes he had some decent games. Yes he had a career season (for him). He even had a very good game against Tennessee in Tennessee. He was a good game manager in some games, others he failed miserably. But he had lots of problems too. Didn't you see all the passes behind the receivers? The ones in the dirt? He held the ball too long and took un-necessary sacks when he could have and should have got rid of the ball. He helped quite a bit with his scrambling, hurt quite a bit with his slow pace. He was better when the team went to hurry up but still spent too much time in-play. When the team had to rely on him, he couldn't deliver.

The QB is not supposed to let the team drag him down. He's supposed to be the leader. He's supposed to raise the level of play of those around him.
Fitz failed at this.

Your particular shtick for him is old. No offense and I hope ya'll all have a merry xmas in the Fitzpatrick household.

So what does that say about Drew Brees this year? And Matt Ryan? And screw that comment about the Fitz household. I'm defending a guy who had very solid numbers this season - QB rating, TD/INT ratio etc...you guys defend crap at QB and get away with it. Because the guy is from Harvard and not a high draft pick, you wanted him to fail from the beginning. Maybe that is about your own shortcomings and insecurities. And about a QB elevating a team. Case Keenum has been everyone's favorite around here from day one despite going 0-8 last season. The arguments are getting pathetic. But keep them coming...I'm getting amused. And why don't you attack BOB while you are at it since he chose Fitz over all the other QB's and stuck with him for the majority of the season. Is he part of Fitz's household as well...

 

[NYTexansFan]

& you don't understand Lucky's last statement?

You ever visit HoustonTexans.com? They'd love you over there.

What and what???

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

I'm gonna say Savage is Obriens guy, unless a QB in the draft falls to the Texans light years ahead of Savage. I'm gonna personally guarantee the Texans will not draft a QB at least in the first 3 rds if they were.

 

[thunderkyss]

What and what???

That's the "official" Texans messageboard. You'll probably find more "like-minded" posters.

 

[JB]

So what does that say about Drew Brees this year? And Matt Ryan? And screw that comment about the Fitz household. I'm defending a guy who had very solid numbers this season - QB rating, TD/INT ratio etc...you guys defend crap at QB and get away with it. Because the guy is from Harvard and not a high draft pick, you wanted him to fail from the beginning. Maybe that is about your own shortcomings and insecurities. And about a QB elevating a team. Case Keenum has been everyone's favorite around here from day one despite going 0-8 last season. The arguments are getting pathetic. But keep them coming...I'm getting amused. And why don't you attack BOB while you are at it since he chose Fitz over all the other QB's and stuck with him for the majority of the season. Is he part of Fitz's household as well...

Did I touch a sensitive area? Once again you rail at everyone else. Everyone one on this board and in every NFL city and business in the world is wrong but you. Go home and get some sleep Ms. Fitzpatrick, your makeup will smear if you start crying.

 

[NYTexansFan]

Did I touch a sensitive area? Once again you rail at everyone else. Everyone one on this board and in every NFL city and business in the world is wrong but you. Go home and get some sleep Ms. Fitzpatrick, your makeup will smear if you start crying.

Believe me, I wouldn't let you touch any sensitive areas...and wrong about what? Fitz will be starting somewhere next season. I think NFL coaches know a bit more about football than you, my friend. Everyone on this board must be smarter than all the front office people who continue to employ a guy who is one of the top 15-20 quarterbacks on the planet...but keep typing from your ma's basement and pretending you have even a fraction of the intellect and reasoning that I possess...

 

[JB]

Believe me, I wouldn't let you touch any sensitive areas...and wrong about what? Fitz will be starting somewhere next season. I think NFL coaches know a bit more about football than you, my friend. Everyone on this board must be smarter than all the front office people who continue to employ a guy who is one of the top 15-20 quarterbacks on the planet...but keep typing from your ma's basement and pretending you have even a fraction of the intellect and reasoning that I possess...

How many teams he been on now? How many teams sign him and then eat cap money to see him gone?

edit: I think Fitz is a good guy. I think he would be a good guy to have as a backup. He's not the guy to carry your team anywhere. Maybe if you didn't try so hard to defend him you could have a conversation about him objectively. Admit he has faults and is not the elite QB that people are wanting here

 

[NYTexansFan]

How many teams he been on now? How many teams sign him and then eat cap money to see him gone?

How did that work out for the Titans cutting him? They went from mediocre to beyond pathetic in a heartbeat. 6 touchdowns ring a beat?

 

[JB]

How did that work out for the Titans cutting him? They went from mediocre to beyond pathetic in a heartbeat. 6 touchdowns ring a beat?

Didn't they also undergo a coaching staff change? Now you're claiming that Fitz propped up the Titans to an astounding 7-9 record last year? And he was there to be the backup. Injuries got him on the field. Don't be acting like he was a pro bowl qb last year

11 games 62% completion 14 td 12 int 2400 yds 82 rtg

Not screaming to me as a qb to lead a team anywhere. No wonder the Titans let him go (you hate them now don't you). He's a backup at best, maybe a good coach someday. Stop acting like he's something he's not

 

[infantrycak]

And Fitzy was 3-6 in the 9 games he startes. Locker was 4-3.

 

[JB]

And Fitzy was 3-6 in the 9 games he startes. Locker was 4-3.

yep, that Fitzy sure was a game changer...

 

[Scooter]

My guess after camp next year:

1) Mallet
2) Keenum
3) High draft pick
PS) Savage

unemployment line) Fitz

this is where i'm at. as much as i like keenum, i think mallet could be a more complete package behind center. i wouldnt for a second put savage or fitz over keenum for the #2 spot. for the price, the leadership, the sideline and weekday work, and the potential to come in and win a game - you just arent going to get more bang for your buck than keenum. savage looked like a guy who's barely played football in 3 years, he's got at least another year or two of seasoning before being in discussion for active roster.

spending a draft pick is another discussion entirely. i'll practice restraint for once and leave that for other areas forum.

 

[Corrosion]

What QB (outside of Mariota) would you consider worthy of that 1st round pick?

On talent alone , Winston. I think a desperate team will take him in the top 10. I wouldn't take him because of the off field issues , no telling if he's on the field or in a jail cell come Sunday.

Other than Mariota & Winston .... None of them get a first round grade.

I think Hundley has a lot of potential and would happily take him in the second. Thing is , I don't know if he is on the board in the middle of the second round , you may have to move ahead of someone like Minny did with Bridgewater this past season getting him with the last pick in the 1st round.

There is a benefit to that as you get him for an extra year on the initial contract and restricted free agency after.

So you haven't seen enough of Mallett

But you have seen enough of Savage?

Does not compute.

We didn't see a lot of Savage but what we did see was ..... Really Bad. Yeah , he threw a decent deep ball but everything else .... UgLy.

Footwork was piss poor , accuracy was abysmal , didn't diagnose pressure pre snap , got plays mixed up in the huddle , missed open receivers , threw into coverage and just looked like a deer in headlights.
How many balls did he put on the ground in the short time he was on the field ?!
Couple years down the road he might be a decent backup but right now he has no business on an NFL roster. He belongs on the practice squad.

Mallett has a lot more experience and other than accuracy issues he looked no worse than a capable backup not nearly as many flaws as Savage.

 

[beerlover]

would echo that. What intrigues me most is realistically Texans have a shot @ drafting Winston with minimal move up & he already has NFL body to excel in a "man's league". Personally I would be willing to trade up 5-7 picks to get inside top 10 to have a shot. Yeah we're pretty desperate, so Watt

 

[JB]

Haven't even considered Winston because of off the field issues. This isn't a simple marijuana smoker we're talking about. He's an accused rapist.
With the crackdown that is going on I really would not invest a first day pick on him, maybe not a second. Who knows what other sh!t will come out of the woodwork on him?

I do think he's got it athletically to at least learn for a year or two before being thrust into the limelight. Does he have the mental acuity to pick up OB's system?

 

[Corrosion]

would echo that. What intrigues me most is realistically Texans have a shot @ drafting Winston with minimal move up & he already has NFL body to excel in a "man's league". Personally I would be willing to trade up 5-7 picks to get inside top 10 to have a shot. Yeah we're pretty desperate, so Watt

Haven't even considered Winston because of off the field issues. This isn't a simple marijuana smoker we're talking about. He's an accused rapist.
With the crackdown that is going on I really would not invest a first day pick on him, maybe not a second. Who knows what other sh!t will come out of the woodwork on him?

I do think he's got it athletically to at least learn for a year or two before being thrust into the limelight. Does he have the mental acuity to pick up OB's system?

I would find it very hard to cheer for the dude if the Texans did draft him .... After the rape accusation you figure he'd get his head out of his ass but its been one thing after another ...

:vincepalm: and his "Blunderlick" of 6 thinks he's a moron.

BUT ..... Before all this off the field sh!t , he was the consensus #1 pick.
The talent is obvious. NFL body , big arm and is pretty accurate , moves well in the pocket & can make you pay when he gets outside of it , performs in pressure situations (Damn I hate watching that team come back every week).

They draft him , I might have to go join the Sh!tpies or Tinbreds forums ....

 

[Mollywhopper]

I believe Jameis all the tools needed to win football games as a pro. There's just no way though that I could feel comfortable handing millions of dollars with less supervision and saying, ok now don't screw up. Yikes.

 

[JB]

I would find it very hard to cheer for the dude if the Texans did draft him .... After the rape accusation you figure he'd get his head out of his ass but its been one thing after another ...

:vincepalm: and his "Blunderlick" of 6 thinks he's a moron.

BUT ..... Before all this off the field sh!t , he was the consensus #1 pick.
The talent is obvious. NFL body , big arm and is pretty accurate , moves well in the pocket & can make you pay when he gets outside of it , performs in pressure situations (Damn I hate watching that team come back every week).

They draft him , I might have to go join the Sh!tpies or Tinbreds forums ....

Chiefs or Bronco's maybe

 

[dream_team]

The Keenum love, and Savage hate, is quite strong in here.

If the final QB roster spot came down to Savage & Keenum, we all know what's going to happen... it happened this season. Savage is O'Brien's guy. The guy was drafted as a project and I don't see why the team would give up on him now.

 

[Corrosion]

The Keenum love, and Savage hate, is quite strong in here.

I guess you don't know my post history because I have been highly critical of Keenum and took a lot of sh!t over it too ... my main complaint is his inability to read defenses both before & after the snap.

If the final QB roster spot came down to Savage & Keenum, we all know what's going to happen... it happened this season. Savage is O'Brien's guy. The guy was drafted as a project and I don't see why the team would give up on him now.

Yep , he's OB's guy and all things being equal , OB stuck with his guy after training camp. I really question whether he would make the same decision again.

Why give up on him now ?!

He isn't any good. The only teams he would be a backup on have worse QB situations than the Texans.
(I hope he makes me eat those words)

I have no love affair with Keenum. Bottom line is I think Keenum is a better quarterback than Savage.

 

[dream_team]

He isn't any good. The only teams he would be a backup on have worse QB situations than the Texans.
(I hope he makes me eat those words)

I have no love affair with Keenum. Bottom line is I think Keenum is a better quarterback than Savage.

And you're basing this off a half of football where he came off the bench?

 

[Marshall]

And you're basing this off a half of football where he came off the bench?

Yep. We can't let a rookie who isn't ready play like a rookie who isn't ready. WE MUST GIVE UP IMMEDIATELY in order to impress others of our football acumen.

 

[sandman]

I have no love affair with Keenum. Bottom line is I think Keenum is a better quarterback than Savage.

Keenum definitely has more experience that Savage. And because of that experience, he has looked better. One thing to remember is that Savage's only game time came as injury relief with no game planning as the starter. He clearly looked better prepared after halftime when they had a chance to do some planning. Case has seen action in 9 games as a Texan and went into the game prepped as the starter for each one of them. Case had a few years in the system before playing, while Savage saw action in his rookie season. There is simply not a lot of similar data to compare properly to say one is better than the other.

In my opinion though, I think Savage has more upside/potential than Keenum. After 8 straight starts with no improvements, followed by a poor training camp/pre-season that led to being cut and being signed to the Rams PS, I think that we have seen the best from Keenum that we are going to see. There is no way that his performance on Sunday can be seen as "good" except from the perspective of just being signed off of another team's PS and only having a few days to prepare.

 

[Scooter]

i dont think you've entirely grasped each situation sandman. keenum was a practice squad rookie. his second year he was promoted to 3rd stringer and in week 8(?) was all of a sudden the starter. there was no training camp and OTA's with 1's and 2's. he was thrust into the deep end as a sophomore with no preparation higher than preseason and being the scout team quarterback on friday. each week as a starter was spent not improving the offense, but learning the upcoming play sheet. and frankly he played much better than most give him credit for, his production was very similar to russell wilsons ... one went to the superbowl, the other was 0-8.

savage could barely field the snap and his redeeming plays were a pair of sideline floaters. he may have more potential than keenum, but to objectively say he's anywhere near that potential is just nonsense. savage is no less than a year away from being a backup. that's not an insult, we're speaking of a rookie who's barely played in the past 3 years, he not only has to catch up, savage has a ton of game speed rust to knock off and adjust to.

you do however nail the keenum argument with your last statement. once again he is forced into an impossible situation, and again he shows the ability to put his team into a good situation in spite of the horrid circumstance.

 

[sandman]

i dont think you've entirely grasped each situation sandman. keenum was a practice squad rookie. his second year he was promoted to 3rd stringer and in week 8(?) was all of a sudden the starter. there was no training camp and OTA's with 1's and 2's. he was thrust into the deep end as a sophomore with no preparation higher than preseason and being the scout team quarterback on friday. each week as a starter was spent not improving the offense, but learning the upcoming play sheet. and frankly he played much better than most give him credit for, his production was very similar to russell wilsons ... one went to the superbowl, the other was 0-8.

savage could barely field the snap and his redeeming plays were a pair of sideline floaters. he may have more potential than keenum, but to objectively say he's anywhere near that potential is just nonsense. savage is no less than a year away from being a backup. that's not an insult, we're speaking of a rookie who's barely played in the past 3 years, he not only has to catch up, savage has a ton of game speed rust to knock off and adjust to.

you do however nail the keenum argument with your last statement. once again he is forced into an impossible situation, and again he shows the ability to put his team into a good situation in spite of the horrid circumstance.

I am an analyst by profession so I appreciate the statistical comparison to the QB who most recently was on a Super Bowl winning team, but there is no way that Keenum is in the same category as Wilson. And I consider Wilson as a good game manager who was at best the third reason for the Seahawks winning a Lombardi.

In almost 75% of his career starts he has thrown for 210 or less yards. Never passed for 3,500 yards in a season. Only thrown 3 TD's in a game 6 times in 40+ career starts. But he doesn't need to be Manning or Brady or Rodgers or even Luck, because the Seahawks are built around defense and a great running game.

Technically, this is the type of team that BOB is trying to build, other than he likes big QB's with rocket arms. But that also means it can be successful with someone like Fitz, who was actually having a career year and exceeding the expectations that most placed on him. I am a Russell Wilson fan, but using him as an example is basically saying that Case can be a good game manager on the right type of team. Which again technically he showed on Sunday with a field goal fest to compliment the devastating defensive play. We can't expect record-setting performances by the defense every week.

As far as your last statement, I'm struggling to find the first time he showed the ability to put the team in a good situation in order for this last Sunday to be an "again". His record as a starter last season was 0-8, correct? Or are we counting moral victories and looking good in a loss?

I rooted for Case as much as anyone this past Sunday because he was in a Texans jersey and the name on the front is all that matters. But he is no more the answer to this team than Fitz.

 

[TexansBull]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the situation with O'Brien and Mallett is very unique and uncommon. They have a relationship for a year as rookie and OC, and Mallett sat the bench and learned this system from a HoF QB and HoF head coach for three seasons. That kind of history and training with a young QB is a luxury in today's NFL. Not to mention what Mallett learned from Brady as a QB, both in terms of off-season workouts, film room study, week-to-week game preparations, and how to lead a team as a QB.



You're not going to get all of that in a rookie. I tend to think we are closer to having our starting QB than not. He just needs to prove it, but I think Mallett is far ahead of anything we could ever get in a rookie or non-elite FA QB.

This.

I don't understand why more people aren't excited about Mallet's potential. He is a better prospect than anything coming out of college for winning now. Why waste a draft pick targeting a QB? Go for depth at other positions. I believe OB said he doesn't start rookie QBs anyway.


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[Runner]

I don't understand why more people aren't excited about Mallet's potential.

A lot of people are excited about Mallett's potential. One can see that all over the board.

I think Mallett showed potential in his one good game this year. It would be great if he was the QB the Texans have needed for most of the years of the franchise. It is a gamble that he will be that guy though. He isn't a guaranteed franchise quarterback.

He is a better prospect than anything coming out of college for winning now.

That remains to be seen.

Why waste a draft pick targeting a QB? Go for depth at other positions. I believe OB said he doesn't start rookie QBs anyway.

A) Drafting a franchise QB isn't a waste.

B) Drafting a high round quarterback might be considered a waste if one has no confidence the Texans are capable of identifying a good QB. If so, I would think they would have to question O'Brien's evaluation of Mallett too. Texans coaches do have a history of bringing in former players that don't quite pan out.

C) You answer your own question. If O'Brien doesn't start rookies AND Mallett doesn't work out, then it will be three years until the Texans start a second year rookie with no game experience. I know that Texans fans are used to mediocrity, but building a plan that has three to four years of poor quarterback, mediocre football as the fallback plan to the Mallett gamble seems unwise.

 

[Marshall]

I am an analyst by profession so I appreciate the statistical comparison to the QB who most recently was on a Super Bowl winning team, but there is no way that Keenum is in the same category as Wilson. And I consider Wilson as a good game manager who was at best the third reason for the Seahawks winning a Lombardi.

In almost 75% of his career starts he has thrown for 210 or less yards. Never passed for 3,500 yards in a season. Only thrown 3 TD's in a game 6 times in 40+ career starts. But he doesn't need to be Manning or Brady or Rodgers or even Luck, because the Seahawks are built around defense and a great running game.

Technically, this is the type of team that BOB is trying to build, other than he likes big QB's with rocket arms. But that also means it can be successful with someone like Fitz, who was actually having a career year and exceeding the expectations that most placed on him. I am a Russell Wilson fan, but using him as an example is basically saying that Case can be a good game manager on the right type of team. Which again technically he showed on Sunday with a field goal fest to compliment the devastating defensive play. We can't expect record-setting performances by the defense every week.

As far as your last statement, I'm struggling to find the first time he showed the ability to put the team in a good situation in order for this last Sunday to be an "again". His record as a starter last season was 0-8, correct? Or are we counting moral victories and looking good in a loss?

I rooted for Case as much as anyone this past Sunday because he was in a Texans jersey and the name on the front is all that matters. But he is no more the answer to this team than Fitz.

Why is there insistence that any QB play like a 10 year vet in their first 16 starts? THAT is unreasonable. Those 10 year vets with years in a system have problems in the Red Zone. It's actually easier to get the 40+ yard scores.

 

[sandman]

A) Drafting a franchise QB isn't a waste.

B) Drafting a high round quarterback might be considered a waste if you have no confidence the Texans are capable of identifying a good QB. If so, I would think you'd have to question O'Brien's evaluation of Mallett too. Texans coaches do have a history of bringing in former players that don't quite pan out.

C) You answer your own question. If O'Brien doesn't start rookies AND Mallett doesn't work out, then it will be three years until the Texans start a second year rookie with no game experience. I know that Texans fans are used to mediocrity, but building a plan that has three to four years of poor quarterback, mediocre football as the fallback plan to the Mallett gamble seems unwise.

Who do you expect to be available where the Texans will be drafting in the middle of the first round that is considered a franchise QB kind of guy? There are exactly two guys in this draft that MIGHT have that label. One won't last past the first two picks with TEN and TB fighting for the #1 pick. And the other guy doesn't appear to be "Texans worthy".

 

[PapaL]

C) You answer your own question. If O'Brien doesn't start rookies AND Mallett doesn't work out, then it will be three years until the Texans start a second year rookie with no game experience. I know that Texans fans are used to mediocrity, but building a plan that has three to four years of poor quarterback, mediocre football as the fallback plan to the Mallett gamble seems unwise.

If Mallet were to flame out, wouldn't Savage be the next guy up while the rookie sits the bench? I think that's a plan. May not be a great plan but it sure beats what we've had.

 

[infantrycak]

Wow Russell Wilson has no business being in a conversation with Fitz or Keenum. Even if you choose to call Wilson a game manager he is an exceptional one and they are not.

 

[Texecutioner]

i dont think you've entirely grasped each situation sandman. keenum was a practice squad rookie. his second year he was promoted to 3rd stringer and in week 8(?) was all of a sudden the starter. there was no training camp and OTA's with 1's and 2's. he was thrust into the deep end as a sophomore with no preparation higher than preseason and being the scout team quarterback on friday. each week as a starter was spent not improving the offense, but learning the upcoming play sheet. and frankly he played much better than most give him credit for, his production was very similar to russell wilsons ... one went to the superbowl, the other was 0-8.

savage could barely field the snap and his redeeming plays were a pair of sideline floaters. he may have more potential than keenum, but to objectively say he's anywhere near that potential is just nonsense. savage is no less than a year away from being a backup. that's not an insult, we're speaking of a rookie who's barely played in the past 3 years, he not only has to catch up, savage has a ton of game speed rust to knock off and adjust to.

you do however nail the keenum argument with your last statement. once again he is forced into an impossible situation, and again he shows the ability to put his team into a good situation in spite of the horrid circumstance.

You never cease to amaze me with this homerish stuff man. Keenum got a win. Good for him. In no way shape or form is he anywhere near as good as WIlson. That is an insult to Wilson considering what he has done in the last 3 seasons being a SB winner on top of that. You'd sound a little smarter if maybe you blamed Keenum's troubles on Kubiak's coaching, but you loved Kubiak and defended him at every turn so there goes that. Keenum wasn't even drafted, and we were the only team that even gave him the time of day last season, and his record showed why. He got chances with other teams and couldn't stay on the rosters. The only reason why we got him now is because he had experience learning this offense and was the best bet due to what he already knew. But stop trying to compare him to other successful QB's. Just literally stop already. It's beyond ridiculous.

 

[Runner]

Who do you expect to be available where the Texans will be drafting in the middle of the first round that is considered a franchise QB kind of guy? There are exactly two guys in this draft that MIGHT have that label. One won't last past the first two picks with TEN and TB fighting for the #1 pick. And the other guy doesn't appear to be "Texans worthy".

Year after year there are quarterbacks chosen in the draft that end up with much better careers than the mish-mash of QBs that the Texans have a recent habit of starting seasons with. Not all of these are identified as sure fire NFL starters. In the last draft the QB that many consider to be the best of the bunch after year one fell to the end of the first round.

I personally don't know which QB they should draft at this point. I never claim to watch every college football game every season. I don't spend my fall studying "tape" on the top 100 college prospects. I don't waste my time building "draft boards" based on my knowledge of college players. I'll pick my preferred player (what little that means to anyone) sometime closer to the draft when the field has been narrowed and more analysis is available. All I know is that almost every year good quarterbacks are available, and if a team doesn't try to get one, they won't. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.

The Texans job is to identify that guy/those guys and get him. If they never take the risk, they will continue to be a team based on fourth round projects and cast-offs to continue this franchise's storied .500 legacy.

I also don't know why the "risk" of taking a talented first round quarterback is such a huge factor in determining not to pick a quarterback. The other positions are at equal risk of failure. The consensus, once in a generation, guaranteed impact-player Clowney appears to be a worse pick than imperfect, risky first round quarterback Bortles in the most recent draft.

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The same quarterback question was asked last draft (and is still being defended today). What quarterback was worthy of the first pick? Well, Bortles and and Bridgewater for two. Many people thought Bortles should have been taken 1/1 before the draft. It isn't all hindsight.