I totally agree............exactly why he would better serve as a nickel.
what about when the offense doesn't go 3 wides? that would leave you with Allen with contain responsibility.
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I totally agree............exactly why he would better serve as a nickel.
When our pass rush is not there is when KJ especially gets critically exposed.
damn i thought it was just me. But on inside the game Spencer Tillman is breaking down the fade route where allen gave up a TD and he says
"That false inside step, he (Allen) does identify and gets his head around which Kareem Jackson struggles with"
What amused me is i have always thought KJ never locates the ball but i have never really heard anyone call KJ out for it before.
and then the 4:37 mark they call KJ out again.
That wasn't Harris' man. That was Demps man, with another safety (I forgot who just standing around). If anything what we saw from Harris was exceptional make up speed, and he even located the ball and stuck his arm in there.I don't know enough about him outside of college, but I liked that play.
3/2/11: Brandon Harris ran a decent 40 (4.43), but he really shined in the drills. In fact, Deion Sanders said Harris was the best cornerback he saw on the field. "He's been ballin'," Sanders said.
10/9/10: Harris is a baller - period. On tape, he produces and plays with the swagger and confidence you want to see out of a cornerback. He's a missle in run support and shows the ability to take on a block. In coverage, receivers really struggle to separate and offensive coordinators have stopped calling plays his way this season.
5/13/10: Brandon Harris broke up a whopping 15 passes last year and also had six TFL.
what about when the offense doesn't go 3 wides? that would leave you with Allen with contain responsibility.
So basically you want a shutdown corner on both sides for you to be happy?
I don't know if it's that people want or realistically expect 2 shutdown corners.....but when I get a beer and can't see the TV and I hear a big play happen for the other team and without seeing the TV I know what Texans jersey I'll see falling or getting burnt or not turning his head on replay (and i'd say 8 out of 10 times I'm right in this situation) guess who it is??
I don't hate the guy as a person and won't say he is the worst CB ever, that would be foolish.
The same is true IMO to come to his defense. Not everything about football is some over complicated algorhythm. Sometimes you really can just believe what you are seeing with your own eyes.
But, in all seriousness, how often do you see him targeted? It would be one thing if this were happening 4 or 5 times per game, but usually its limited to 1 per game roughly.
I'm not saying he's playing great, but if he's only targetted roughly 3 to 4 time a game, he is doing something right.
Btw, where can we see DB stats on coverage?
This is exactly the type of mistake NFL teams struggle to avoid come draft day (drafting for need over value) that can lead to years of failed expectations on or off the field. The Texans were determined hell or high water they we're going to take a CB in the first round of the 2010 draft period. They took the safest possible player from a sound football program with measureables they required for position.
Now Kareem is a player in this league, who will always have shortcomings but will learn to mask or compensate for them as he grows with experience while evolving in system. His work ethic, size & physical nature will provide useful down the road & then, I'm hoping, for a similar discussion like one about Duane Brown.
thank you that was my whole point.
Sigh.. dude how many CB's do you think can cover WR when there are 5-6 seconds for a NFL QB to sit back there and find the open guy, or the receiver to get open.
I still think you have unrealistic expectations to have two Deion Sanders on our team.
His point was that there's need to be a goat, and Jackson is it!
I listened to a radio host and he was dead-on when he said there could be a goat this coming game or next game, or whenever. And it will most probably be Yates or Jackson.
LOL, I'm so ready for that.
well tell ur boy that
I think you might want to rewatch those two plays.At least we can agree on something.
Regarding the differences between the fade routes that they gave up for TD's ...
I don't have a vivid memory of the Colts game as I was in vegas and did not catch the whole game.
But if my memory is semi correct it seemed that allen located the ball while Kareem never did. Also, The throw that Hasselback made was the main reason for the TD whereas Wayne flat out beat KJ.
Yah but I also believe you can't just let it go and realize you'll never convince him otherwise The reason this thread just won't die.. I login each day hoping not to see it again lol.
The guy fell down again today... sorry, but even the people on the radio said it.. "Kareem Jackson is not a starting CB in this league and will not be starting next season", they basically said he sucks. Sorry 76, you were wrong with your analysis on Kareem (Jesus Christ..you've made every excuse under the sun for this guy..you have to be running out of them by now) and this thread just needs to go away.
Kareem Jackson sucks. I ended up being wrong about Chris Myers and you're wrong here...just admit it and move on. The kid is a 1st round BUST...it happens.
The DB position is the most difficult position for me to evaluate in the draft. Think about this Joseph fell to the 18-20 range in the draft because of character concerns. There's a CB in this draft that reminds me of the Joseph situation and should be available in rd. 2. (Cliff Harris CB Oregon) Would you (76) be willing to take a chance on him late in the 2nd rd?
Harris still has a lot of work to do.Hopefully Harris will grow into CB2 next season with a full training camp. I was real high on Harris in last yrs draft and believe he's got the potential to be an upgrade over KJ/Allen. Hopefully this is the case so that a CB wont be needed in FA/Draft.
I've also got high hopes for Carmicheal. Although he's undersized that guys a playmaker.
KJ is great in run support, but his lack of ball skills/not turning his head/falling down means he will never even be an above average #2 CB. Can someone tell me if KJ/Allen are splitting snaps 50/50 how many times combined are they being targeted more than Joseph? How many times is Jackson being targeted vs Allen? Whats the yds per completetion? How many pass interference penalties does KJ vs Allen have and for how many yards? Is KJ's ability in run support worth his deficencies in pass coverage?
I don't think the Texans will draft a player that has been suspended from the team.
I don't think the Texans will draft a CB anyway.
Look at it this way, Jackson is playing better than D. McCourty this year.
Some people thought I was crazy when I stick with Jackson over McCourty.
I said that McCourty was babysat in his rookie year.
Now that he's not, he got burned left and right.
He looks worse in his second year than KJ in his rookie year.
Kyle Wilson played so poorly in his rookie year, he was sent to the dog house.
Now he's playing nickel back.
Jackson is the better pick.
I don't have to convince EU or anybody, really.
It's always good to discuss football.
I welcome all different views.
That is one of the things that makes the game more interesting.
Heck I'm quite happy right now with our defense, yah is KJ still not perfect nope, but if anyone was asked last year if we would be happy with a top 10 defense, I bet there wouldn't be a single person that wouldn't.
We have come a long way this year, just need to continue the progress and move forward.
And how about the second coming of Deion Sanders?
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6481/patrick-peterson
Cardinals rookie CB Patrick Peterson has been called for 10 penalties for 121 yards already this season.
Peterson's performance in the punt return game has been electric, but his play at corner has been downright bad. The No. 5 overall pick ranks among the worst starting corners in the league according to Pro Football Focus and gets relentlessly attacked on a weekly basis. The Cardinals would be wise to keep him away from Brandon Lloyd on Sunday.
Peterson is a safety playing CB. Maybe the same thing can be said about Kareem?
You need to read more closely.
Greg Cosell isn't my boy. He's Leebig's boy.
I do like him though, because he has a lot of knowledge.
He's the Executive Producer for NFL Matchup and Sr Producer of NFL Films for 31 years and so he watches all the coaches' tapes.
Not all radio hosts are equal.
I honestly don't mind KJ playing safety or nickel if we can find a better CB.
The question is where to find that guy.
I don't think the Texans will draft a CB early, and even at their spot in the first round, it's going to be very difficult to find a good one that can come in and play right away (if not impossible).
I don't think the Texans can afford another high-priced FA either.
KJ will do at least for now.
There's always a chance he can still improve.
IMO, he will improve some more, except for the unreal expectation of some fans.
Here, I found some pretty funny stuff regarding Peterson.
This one is pretty recent.
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?p=1132013411
I'm dead serious too. Dude is garbage playing corner.
I don't have the latest stats right now but best believe QBs have a QB rating around 100 when throwing at him. He has like 10 penalties on him this year. He's ranked as one of the worst CBs in the league and dead last in the NFC West by PFF.
Obviously he's a rookie, but he looks just plain atrocious playing corner. Slipping, has trouble turning on his man, getting torched by mediocre ass QBs and average wideouts...this guy makes me remember mike rumph his rookie year, I swear.
if it wasn't for his amazing punt returns, people would talk more about this. so far dude has been a total bust on D.
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Agreed.... That man has been getting BAKED! ...
I wonder how he'd look @ Safety.
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i believe he's played safety already this year...and he's just sucked, period. he always looks lost as shiit...like he don't even know the plays. might as well be a Giants DB.
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obviously too early to call him a bust yet,
BUT...watching cards they play mostly man to man, and dude is just bad in fundamentals. like changing direction and instincts. he's getting beat one on one with wideouts styling on him.
now I thought Prince was the better cover corner in that draft, but I certainly felt like PP would be a solid cover corner. He's been an absolute disaster at covering receivers.
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im not even sure he can be a safety. his reaction skills are terrible. maybe taylor mays type of strong safety or something
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Ive already addressed that. he was picked to be the best CB in the draft and I cant remember a good CB picked so high who would be so bad in his rookie season.
too early to call him a bust, I agree, but I dont really see how he'd improve his game....there's not much to scheme when you play man-to-man and getting beat nearly every time...system can't really help that
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but they didnt pick him because of his return skills;
and why do you think he'll get better ? besides the fact its kinda hard to get worse, lol...
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Reminds me 100% of KJ. And look at how much faith you have in him, so why down this guy ? Your excuse for KJ was always that he is a rookie thrown into a no win situation. But i guess Peterson isnt KJ, so he just sucks unlike ur boy his rookie season :mariopalm:
Reminds me 100% of KJ. And look at how much faith you have in him, so why down this guy ? Your excuse for KJ was always that he is a rookie thrown into a no win situation. But i guess Peterson isnt KJ, so he just sucks unlike ur boy his rookie season :mariopalm:
how many sacks and hurries does our defense have ??? You think we we are 1st - 2nd in passing yards allowed due to the secondary ? No u should thank the front 7 for that.
Very rarely will you have a rookie/2nd year CB that absolutely lights it up. It only took Jason Allen 5 years to figure it out, and even then he is fairly average.
1st impressions are huge.