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When do we end the Kareem experiment?
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The second-year cornerback followed up a brilliant game in Jacksonville with another Sunday against Atlanta, causing cornerback Johnathan Joseph to gloat.
I told yall he was getting better every week, he said.
Jackson was credited with two passes defensed and three tackles, none bigger or louder than his crushing blow on Roddy White in the third quarter. It was a 15-yard gain, but Jackson leveled White, and the hit drew a flag at first, presumably for helmet-to-helmet contact. But officials picked it up after it was agreed that Jackson led with his shoulder.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/jackson-among-defensive-stars-in-win-over-atlanta/
I told yall he was getting better every week, he said.
Jackson was credited with two passes defensed and three tackles, none bigger or louder than his crushing blow on Roddy White in the third quarter. It was a 15-yard gain, but Jackson leveled White, and the hit drew a flag at first, presumably for helmet-to-helmet contact. But officials picked it up after it was agreed that Jackson led with his shoulder.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/jackson-among-defensive-stars-in-win-over-atlanta/
Falcons head coach Mike Smith during his interview with the Atlanta media
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/2011/11/transcript-mike-smith-post-practice-interview-70/
On Texans CB Johnathan Joseph:
Done a very nice job at the corner position. He was a free agent acquisition during the offseason. Very talented player. Again, very integral in the success that theyve had on defense.
On Texans CB Kareem Jackson:
Kareem Jackson, the other corner, is playing well. Thats a very solid defense and their record indicates. Theyre 8-3, best record in the AFC. Itll be fun going down there and competing against them.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/2011/11/transcript-mike-smith-post-practice-interview-70/
On Texans CB Johnathan Joseph:
Done a very nice job at the corner position. He was a free agent acquisition during the offseason. Very talented player. Again, very integral in the success that theyve had on defense.
On Texans CB Kareem Jackson:
Kareem Jackson, the other corner, is playing well. Thats a very solid defense and their record indicates. Theyre 8-3, best record in the AFC. Itll be fun going down there and competing against them.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/2011/11/transcript-matt-ryan-locker-room-interview-9/
Transcript: Matt Ryan Locker Room Interview
By: Jay Adams | November 30th, 2011
On the Texans defense:
When you turn on the tape, it doesnt surprise you. You see really good effort across the board, front seven and in the secondary. Theyre doing a great job of stopping the run and theyre really effective getting after the passer. I think theyre second in the League in sacks. So its a good defense, top to bottom.
On what sets the Texans defense apart from a typical 3-4 defense:
Typically, from the defensive line in a 3-4, you see two-gap guys that kind of stay at the line of scrimmage and dont get a ton on penetration. But this defense, they really do. They get a lot of penetration. (Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips) Wade, hes been in that system a long time. Hes got a great feel for calling things at the right time and putting his guys in a good position to make plays. Theyre doing a great job.
On Texans LB Brian Cushing and how active he is in both the run and pass defense:
Hes very active. Very good player. Somebody were going to have to be aware of where hes at in both the run game and the pass game. He looks like, on tape, hes an emotional leader for that defense. He does a great job of rallying those guys and Ive been very impressed with him.
On Texans S Danieal Manning and S Glover Quin:
Safeties are strong. Manning, weve seen a little bit in his days with Chicago, so familiar with him. But all-in-all, its a very good defense. They do a great job. Their safeties do a great job in coming up and supporting the run, but also in coverage. Theyre both talented guys that can cover in man coverage, so they make it difficult on an offense because they can do so many different things.
On Texans CB Kareem Jackson:
Ill have to get (QB John Parker Wilson) J.P.s scouting report. I think both those guys, really both their corners are playing very well. They put them on islands in their quarters coverage, where they allow their safeties to come up and support the run and those guys have done a great job.
Transcript: Matt Ryan Locker Room Interview
By: Jay Adams | November 30th, 2011
On the Texans defense:
When you turn on the tape, it doesnt surprise you. You see really good effort across the board, front seven and in the secondary. Theyre doing a great job of stopping the run and theyre really effective getting after the passer. I think theyre second in the League in sacks. So its a good defense, top to bottom.
On what sets the Texans defense apart from a typical 3-4 defense:
Typically, from the defensive line in a 3-4, you see two-gap guys that kind of stay at the line of scrimmage and dont get a ton on penetration. But this defense, they really do. They get a lot of penetration. (Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips) Wade, hes been in that system a long time. Hes got a great feel for calling things at the right time and putting his guys in a good position to make plays. Theyre doing a great job.
On Texans LB Brian Cushing and how active he is in both the run and pass defense:
Hes very active. Very good player. Somebody were going to have to be aware of where hes at in both the run game and the pass game. He looks like, on tape, hes an emotional leader for that defense. He does a great job of rallying those guys and Ive been very impressed with him.
On Texans S Danieal Manning and S Glover Quin:
Safeties are strong. Manning, weve seen a little bit in his days with Chicago, so familiar with him. But all-in-all, its a very good defense. They do a great job. Their safeties do a great job in coming up and supporting the run, but also in coverage. Theyre both talented guys that can cover in man coverage, so they make it difficult on an offense because they can do so many different things.
On Texans CB Kareem Jackson:
Ill have to get (QB John Parker Wilson) J.P.s scouting report. I think both those guys, really both their corners are playing very well. They put them on islands in their quarters coverage, where they allow their safeties to come up and support the run and those guys have done a great job.
Houston Texans cornerback Kareem Jackson breaks up a pass intended for Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Julio Jones on the final play Sunday in Houston. The Texans won 17-10.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111204/sports/712049844/
I took screen shots of the last play, but I will wait to hopefully get a high-res version of the game to show it better.
Julio put a hand (very lightly) on KJ to get first jump and prevent KJ from doing same.
KJ played it well; he put his right hand between Julio's arms, waiting for the receiver to come down with the ball.
KJ then had his fingertips underneath the ball (yes, his fingers touched the ball) trying to poke at it.
He then hook his hand around Julio's left arm, near the elbow, to pull it down.
Originally, Julio had both hands on the ball. When Julio started to come down, his left arm hit KJ's hand, between the wrist and the palm.
All of KJ's actions definitely seperate them hands from the ball.
Julio put a hand (very lightly) on KJ to get first jump and prevent KJ from doing same.
KJ played it well; he put his right hand between Julio's arms, waiting for the receiver to come down with the ball.
KJ then had his fingertips underneath the ball (yes, his fingers touched the ball) trying to poke at it.
He then hook his hand around Julio's left arm, near the elbow, to pull it down.
Originally, Julio had both hands on the ball. When Julio started to come down, his left arm hit KJ's hand, between the wrist and the palm.
All of KJ's actions definitely seperate them hands from the ball.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Outstanding work. Looking forward to seeing more screen shots.
I think that Kareem Jackson has played much better this season and he isn't getting burnt in coverage all the time. Look Julio Jones is a freak athlete at the WR position and at 6'3" 215 pounds vs. Kareem Jackson 5'11" 190 frame that is a like a point guard trying to play man defense on a small forward in the low post the small forward should get 80% of the rebounds. With that said the kid did really well yesterday and I am very happy with his improvement the real problem is that our Safety play is very very suspect they are out of place way to much.
Tony Gonzales & Hugh Douglas was killing us over the middle in the first half. At least on their scoring drive. That's what happens, generally, when you blitz your LBs & leave the middle of the field open.
Later, especially in the 4th Qtr, most of the pressure came from 4 guys, with Brooks Reed dropping in coverage a lot.
That's what I needed to see. The Atlanta Falcons offense has only given up 22 sacks this year, that's pretty good (11th). We didn't record a sack, but I'm sure Ryan knew we were there.
Great job by Wade, the DL & the secondary..... great job by the defense all the way around.
10 points.
Wow
You have to admit .... they both had horrible seasons when they were being complained about heavily ..... If KJ can make the type of turnaround that Myers I'll be a happy fan.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm not going to say the guy stinks.
I just don't think he's progressed as much as he's being credited for around here.
There's a reason why KJ and JA are splitting time, and I think it's to help bring KJ along while giving Jason Allen the chance to give KJ a mental break every now and then, to slow down KJ's brain and not flood him with having to cover a guy the whole game.
It's coddling, but you know what??? It might just end up working out. Offenses can't just dial up an entire game's worth of plays that target Kareem Jackson because Kareem Jackson is not always out there to be matched up with.
I just don't think he's progressed as much as he's being credited for around here.
There's a reason why KJ and JA are splitting time, and I think it's to help bring KJ along while giving Jason Allen the chance to give KJ a mental break every now and then, to slow down KJ's brain and not flood him with having to cover a guy the whole game.
It's coddling, but you know what??? It might just end up working out. Offenses can't just dial up an entire game's worth of plays that target Kareem Jackson because Kareem Jackson is not always out there to be matched up with.
silvrhand
All Pro
Even with Myers turnaround he still gets beat and sometimes badly. But that doesn't mean we dig up yet another thread on him.
KJ is playing pretty consistently good for us right now he's getting better the last part of his game is he has to get better about realizing when the ball is in the air and make a better play on it. His tackling is fantastics, he's better in his coverage skills. He's what I would consider an average CB at this point, a decent #2.
I don't know why people expect us to have two #1 CB's on the field that can shutdown both halves. I still think people have very high expectations still that our defense is #1. Most of us would have been happy with a 15th ranked defense.
Myers is actually the #1 center in the NFL based on blocking metrics .... by a considerable margin ..... Go figure.
This OL is probably the leagues best UNIT.
Our defense is arguably the leagues best UNIT ..... KJ is a part of that
GP
Go Texans!
I'm talking about the first round draft pick, Kareem Jackson. I'm talking about whether he can reach this almost unreachable status of being a CB1 that only 4 people in the whole NFL can seemingly achieve.
I have questions after reading all these responses:
1. Why is it that having the #1 defense means that Kareem Jackson is playing better than he did last season? Couldn't the inverse be true? Couldn't it be that the defense as a whole is playing better and yet Kareem is staying in a marginal holding pattern while others around him succeed and produce more, consistently, than he does?
2. Why is it unfair to have CB1 expectations of him? Is it just because it's impossible to have TWO exceptional CBs on the field? Did I miss the NFL rule that says a team can only have ONE outstanding top-flight CB and the CB2 must be someone of lesser talent than the CB1???
All of it feels very "charitable cause" philanthropy going on. We're #1, so Kareem Jackson gets a pass and gets graded generously as a side benefit of our d-coord and the other 10 guys surrounding KJ.
Come on guys, the guy is not even playing every snap out there. He's splitting time with Jason Allen. Doesn't that signal that he's being coddled, still, that he's not even entrusted to be the main CB2 the vast majority of the game?
I'm fine with him splitting snaps 50-50 with Allen, I really am. If that's what it takes to minimize his impact on the games, then so be it. It's as close to a win-win as we can get.
GP
Go Texans!
The biggest winner and beneficiary of Wade Phillips and this year's turnaround is none other than Kareem Jackson.
Granted, he got stuck on a bad defense and was pretty much shocked and awe'd all last season. So maybe this is a year of stuff balancing itself out.
That's why I said, "This might work out after all," because I want to see him playing solidly and in position to make plays AND make those plays as a full-time CB2 and not splitting snaps 50-50 next season.
I think Wade is making 2011 KJ's rookie season, with Jason Allen out there to lighten the load and give KJ a chance to sit and watch on 50% of the plays. It's a great idea, actually. It's why I said "It might work out after all."
But continue to thump your chests and act like I don't know we have the #1 defense and that Kareem in in that club, too. Carry on....
Granted, he got stuck on a bad defense and was pretty much shocked and awe'd all last season. So maybe this is a year of stuff balancing itself out.
That's why I said, "This might work out after all," because I want to see him playing solidly and in position to make plays AND make those plays as a full-time CB2 and not splitting snaps 50-50 next season.
I think Wade is making 2011 KJ's rookie season, with Jason Allen out there to lighten the load and give KJ a chance to sit and watch on 50% of the plays. It's a great idea, actually. It's why I said "It might work out after all."
But continue to thump your chests and act like I don't know we have the #1 defense and that Kareem in in that club, too. Carry on....
silvrhand
All Pro
Myers is actually the #1 center in the NFL based on blocking metrics .... by a considerable margin ..... Go figure.
This OL is probably the leagues best UNIT.
Our defense is arguably the leagues best UNIT ..... KJ is a part of that
And yesterday our OL didn't really have their best game either. 3 false starts are the absolutely worst time, one of the worst hits on a QB I've seen all year, with just a complete whiff by Eric Winston.. It wasn't pretty for them at all yesterday, but we won..
GP
Go Texans!
EVERYONE gets beat, Corrosion. That's not even a logical point for anybody to try and debate.
I'm talking about snap-by-snap consistency and trustworthiness in terms of your Cornerback being smart from the pre-snap read, to the snap and how you handle things, to the decisions you make in a split-second, and then how you finish off the play.
To that extent, a guy like Joseph or Revis or whomever is a talent that is what you need at CB. KJ had no choice where he was chosen in the draft, but he was chosen in the first round and I'd assume he's fine with that selection spot too. I'm sure he desires to be in the same tier as the guys we're listing as being top-flight CBs.
So we need to get past the issues of "expectations" and talk about reality and where he is and where he probably wants to BE someday. Right now, the guy is splitting snaps at 50-50 with Jason Allen. And a guy who is splitting snaps with him has been in better positions AND made many more interceptions than KJ has.
I'm fine with praising the guy, and I have done so a lot. Great run support, great on the shallow stuff, seems to have a work ethic and blah blah blah. But I won't sit here and pile in with the crowd and say, "Man, he looks better than last year!" He does? Why? Because he's a part of the #1 defense? I need more than that.
Year 3 will be interesting. Do we keep the 50-50 split with KJ, or does Wade during off-season film review and during camps and preseason make KJ the full-blown CB2 or does Wade go with someone else entirely? Should be interesting. I'm always expecting the best out of KJ, though.
Nope , it wasnt pretty by any stretch of the imagination .... and it seemed to drag on forever especially considering they ran the ball 44 times.
I'll take an ugly win over any snakebit loss we were subjected to last season all day long and twice on Sundays.
GP
Go Texans!
I was thinking about something last night: I know--we all know--that all players "play with injuries." My concern is that our offensive line is bang'd up and limited on game day with the nagging aches and pains they've accumulated all season long.
Fatigue, injuries and aches and pains, it just adds up over time. Winston and Myers looked much sharper earlier in the season. The past three games, a few brain farts and some missed blocks that have been costly.
It's being nit picky, I know, but it's just the nature of being a fan. You want your strong guys to always be what you envision them as being, and I've just noticed some sloppy play that is noticeable to me but is probably normal for the average NFL player who goes through torture all season long. For MY entertainment, btw. LOL.
GP
Go Texans!
I don't think I agree with the title of the thread, for what that's worth.
I don't see it as ending an experiment. And I think this sort of label is unfair given the timing of how we're 9-3 and got 4 games to go in order to win or first AFC South Title in team history.
Honestly, I like the 50-50 split we're seeing. It's working. Let it continue to work, IMO. Then let's see what camp and preseason have to offer.
But until then, we just roll with what we got and talk about this in March or April when it's dead as hell in the NFL realm.
I don't see it as ending an experiment. And I think this sort of label is unfair given the timing of how we're 9-3 and got 4 games to go in order to win or first AFC South Title in team history.
Honestly, I like the 50-50 split we're seeing. It's working. Let it continue to work, IMO. Then let's see what camp and preseason have to offer.
But until then, we just roll with what we got and talk about this in March or April when it's dead as hell in the NFL realm.
Im just saying that there are only a very few lockdown corners in the league period .....
Based upon his draft status we might expect more but what CB over the past 4 or 5 seasons has come in and lit it up from the get go ? Patrick Peterson might be the closest to that .... but much of his impact is on ST.
Seems to me corners get better with age and experience ..... until their wheels fail them.
Whats KJ's future ? Hell if I know ..... but teams outside of NO early in the season , and make no mistake about it , Brees picked him apart , havent been able to pick on him on a consistant basis .... he's definately had help over the top and from the pass rush.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
When Kareem falls down we can blame the turf at Reliant.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/31463/texans-thought-jackson-was-at-his-best
KJ picture in the article shows he had an impact on Julio Jones dropping the ball. He contested the the ball
KJ picture in the article shows he had an impact on Julio Jones dropping the ball. He contested the the ball
He's made significant improvement since the start of the year ..... Remember how Brees targeted him over and over in the 4th quarter of that game , that hasnt happened since. Im sure a big portion of that is the pass rush but he's been better as well. (The only guy who wasnt fooled on the flea flicker???? REALLY ?!)
I dont think I want him taking 90% of the snaps yet ..... but if he continues as he has thus far , eventually he'll be that guy .... and Ive hated and ragged on him quite a bit.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the article. I too had difficulty reading the play as it looked from one angle KJ got hand on ball, but on a subsequent view it seemed like Julio just dropped it. The picture in this article seems to show KJ touching ball. Either way it was good defense. I have found myself praising KJ last few games & then explaining myself to others watching with me as they don't know my history of critizing KJ.
The picture in that article is from a different play.
TejasTom
All Pro
This is the last play of the game. KJ is clearly pulling on Jones left arm.
content.usatoday.com/topics/photo/organizations/sports+leagues/nfl/houston+texans/08Ki39T9Tu2eS/1
content.usatoday.com/topics/photo/organizations/sports+leagues/nfl/houston+texans/08Ki39T9Tu2eS/1
michaelm
vox nihili
Well, actually you are dead wrong, and here's why.
KJ had Jones left arm, and by the time the play had followed through, Jones left arm was being pulled away from his right arm.
SO, even if Jones had controlled the ball initially, KJ CLEARY pulled his arms apart, THEREFOR, Jones WOULD NOT have maintained control all the way through the play.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well, gee thanks, now I am back to "what really happened". lol
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
He just cant give credit to KJ when its due. its from the last play.
Do you know me? I'm KJ's biggest fan.
That picture is not from the last play, can't be. That's from the play Julio completed to get Atlanta to the 30 yard line.
That's from the last play.
buddyboy
Rookie
Regardless of whether he got his hand on the ball or if he caused the incompletion, I find it funny that there is such a polar disagreement on KJ.
After the game, fans start discussions on whether it's time to give up on KJ because of his poor play.
Meanwhile, the Texans coaches decided to give him the game ball.
Now...who's opinion to put more weight in?
GP
Go Texans!
I guess I'll just video the replay off my TV (I DVR'd the game).
I'll put it into iMovie and slow it down, and I think I'll show that the ball had already glanced off Jones' hands. As to the comments, and the photo, that show KJ has a hand on Jones' left bicep and that KJ pulled or would have pulled Jones' hands apart...I just want you to remember these tidbits:
1. Jones is a much bigger guy than KJ.
2. KJ has only one hand on Jones' bicep, do you think that someone like Jones, who is already bigger than KJ to begin with, cannot use both of his own arms and overcome a one-arm pull by KJ?
3. It's my opinion that any separation of Jones' hands was due to Jones knowing he didn't control the point of contact he initially made with the ball. Had he locked his hands onto the ball at the point of impact, he probably squeezes his arms together and nullifies any pull that KJ could have put upon ONE of Jones' arms.
I'll be back later. Don't know how long it will take to do this, but I want to see if how I remember it is how it happened, or not. We'll see.
I'll put it into iMovie and slow it down, and I think I'll show that the ball had already glanced off Jones' hands. As to the comments, and the photo, that show KJ has a hand on Jones' left bicep and that KJ pulled or would have pulled Jones' hands apart...I just want you to remember these tidbits:
1. Jones is a much bigger guy than KJ.
2. KJ has only one hand on Jones' bicep, do you think that someone like Jones, who is already bigger than KJ to begin with, cannot use both of his own arms and overcome a one-arm pull by KJ?
3. It's my opinion that any separation of Jones' hands was due to Jones knowing he didn't control the point of contact he initially made with the ball. Had he locked his hands onto the ball at the point of impact, he probably squeezes his arms together and nullifies any pull that KJ could have put upon ONE of Jones' arms.
I'll be back later. Don't know how long it will take to do this, but I want to see if how I remember it is how it happened, or not. We'll see.
buddyboy
Rookie
So you think Kareem had no impact on the play.
Sometimes, getting a hand on the reciever's arm is all you can do as a DB, who, like you noted, is much bigger than you. The pass was high in the air where even Jones would have to make a spectacular play on it, and it was on the sideline side, away from KJ.
I agree KJ could have made a better play on it. I disagree he had no effect on the play. I disagree that he was "watching the play, like he was a paying customer". If KJ was tugging on the bicep, regardless of how strong you think Julio Jones is, he had an effect on the play.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
Well, I'm having to download iMovie 11 because either the new hard drive Apple gave me was a pre-2011 model and had iMovie 10 on it, or my upgrade to Lion this week zapped iMovie 11. Whatever the cause, my $900 Sony HD Handycam won't connect to iMovie, so I suspect that previous iMovie versions can't read the camera.
But after watching the replay, and after recording it onto my Handycam and zooming into the replay aired by FOX right after the shot of Mike Smith on the sideline running his hands through his hair in frustration, Julio let the ball bounce of his hands and never even had his hands around it. And, it looks like although KJ had his hand on Jones' left bicep, it's cupped very loosely and he's not even pulling on it much at all.
All in all, everything is just about as I remember it.
It will take an hour or so for iMovie 11 to finish downloading, then I have to take it in there (hopefully I can even get the clip off the camera) and slow it down even more to show Jones never had the ball and KJ's powerful tug was not as powerful as we'd like to think.
Julio Jones dropped the ball and then tried to react and go back after it...but it was too late. Was KJ there? Yes. If Julio Jones catches that ball, does KJ's tug mean anything? I doubt it.
We got lucky, and I'll take lucky and run with it every time.
But after watching the replay, and after recording it onto my Handycam and zooming into the replay aired by FOX right after the shot of Mike Smith on the sideline running his hands through his hair in frustration, Julio let the ball bounce of his hands and never even had his hands around it. And, it looks like although KJ had his hand on Jones' left bicep, it's cupped very loosely and he's not even pulling on it much at all.
All in all, everything is just about as I remember it.
It will take an hour or so for iMovie 11 to finish downloading, then I have to take it in there (hopefully I can even get the clip off the camera) and slow it down even more to show Jones never had the ball and KJ's powerful tug was not as powerful as we'd like to think.
Julio Jones dropped the ball and then tried to react and go back after it...but it was too late. Was KJ there? Yes. If Julio Jones catches that ball, does KJ's tug mean anything? I doubt it.
We got lucky, and I'll take lucky and run with it every time.
GP
Go Texans!
Correct. I think Kareem Jackson had zero impact on the play. Julio Jones had the impact on the play because Julio Jones dropped the pass and it was right on his hands. Julio Jones and Roddy White were dropping passes all day long, btw.
If it makes you feel better, I also think Joseph screwed up by getting too deep into the corner of the end zone on the previous play. Roddy White boxed him out, and it looked like Shaq boxing out Spud Webb. Had that pass been a yard shorter, or had Roddy White gone a yard deeper and pushed joseph back even further...that's a TD and there's not even a Julio Jones-Kareem Jackson showdown with 1 second on the clock.
I am only saying that this idea that KJ saved the day? False. He was there. He didn't impact the play. Did he get the game ball? Yes. Fine, whatever, give everybody a game ball, big deal. I'm talking about us, right here, discussing how much "impact" he had on that play. He didn't. Julio jumped, didn't even have to jockey for position in order to jump for it, and the ball Kah-Ping! bounces off his hands and because KJ's hand is cupped on Jones' bicep it has turned into "KJ helped seal the victory." It's false.
I've praised the guy plenty and I mean it sincerely when I do praise the guy. Others, though, seem bent on saying that he is DEFINITELY improving and that the detractors are just hating for the sake of hating. The guy is splitting reps 50-50, he's being marginalized for a reason.
foo82
Waterboy
We can sum this thread and any future thread by the following scenarios/statements.
KJ gets beaten on a go or post route.
-He keeps falling down and we need to drop him. He sucks.
KJ makes an interception.
-Well, technically he got beaten and QB made a bad pass. It should have been a touchdown.
-He just happened to be in the right spot. You can thank wade phillips for the improved pass rush. He still sucks.
KJ makes a play on the ball.
- See above.
- We lucked out that the WR didn't catch it. KJ made no impact there.
KJ gets tripped up.
- Omg he just falls down again and again. the guy simply can't stay on his feet (never mind the previous 12 games).
KJ makes a stop on the run.
- crickets
KJ not targetted due to decent coverage
- Wow, our pass rush was great. Good safety help. Man thank goodness we have improved in both aspects that they didn't even have time to exploit our weakness. KJ.
KJ forces a game changing fumble
- Grover Quinn did an excellent job forcing that fumble.
(when it becomes apparent it was Quinn that forced the fumble).
- Grover Quinn did an excellent job of getting to that ball.
KJ gets beaten on a go or post route.
-He keeps falling down and we need to drop him. He sucks.
KJ makes an interception.
-Well, technically he got beaten and QB made a bad pass. It should have been a touchdown.
-He just happened to be in the right spot. You can thank wade phillips for the improved pass rush. He still sucks.
KJ makes a play on the ball.
- See above.
- We lucked out that the WR didn't catch it. KJ made no impact there.
KJ gets tripped up.
- Omg he just falls down again and again. the guy simply can't stay on his feet (never mind the previous 12 games).
KJ makes a stop on the run.
- crickets
KJ not targetted due to decent coverage
- Wow, our pass rush was great. Good safety help. Man thank goodness we have improved in both aspects that they didn't even have time to exploit our weakness. KJ.
KJ forces a game changing fumble
- Grover Quinn did an excellent job forcing that fumble.
(when it becomes apparent it was Quinn that forced the fumble).
- Grover Quinn did an excellent job of getting to that ball.
While you're at it, capture a video clip of Andre on that 50 yard catch. He had a much smaller guy riding his biceps but managed to maintain control of the ball.
That's what a badass will do. That may be where Julio might be one day.
Whether Kj pulled his arms apart, or down too fast, or not at all doesn't matter. Had Kj not made contact & Julio didn't bring it in, we wouldn't be having this argument.
but since Kj's hand is clearly in there, we'll never know if Julio would have or not have caught the ball. So the point is moot.
Hey, did you watch the San Diego game? WRs from both teams made touchdowns, & there were CBs right there. It happens.
TNewman, got beat for a touchdown at one time or another. DRC, same thing. Other than PrimeTime, you can't name a CB that did not give up a touchdown at some point in his career. Especially not his second year.