Those numbers force his credibility meter into a nose dive ...... Somewhere near absolute zero.
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Those numbers force his credibility meter into a nose dive ...... Somewhere near absolute zero.
EllisUnit
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those stats prove nothing for KJ considering J Allen played half the time.
foo82
Waterboy
Now I know you are grasping at straws. That wasn't even his man.
Kareem was covering the left half. His man ran a slant route. Both safeties bit the flea flicker. Joseph released white to cover the slant as he ran towards his sideline. Luckily KJ was there to cover the skinny post route. He wasn't beat, and you can see him waiting on the ball.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
beat me to it
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Shut up , go drink another beer ..... game over 17-10 Texans WIN.
....even with Kareem. The Texans must be really good.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
dude go watch NFL Network they have a perfect replay that shows KJac having NO impact on the play. Julio Dropped it, Kjac got lucky. I'm not grasping at straws. The proof is in all the different camera angels on replays. Go watch them all and you tell me that KJac made a play, you wont be able to.
foo82
Waterboy
Wow, Now I know you are delusional. You don't even know what plays you are referring to now.
BUt BUT BUT KJ GOT BURNNEED Incomprehensible logic mixed with burnt toast analogies.
/Ellis
EllisUnit
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yeah i realized that after i had already posted. oh well, he was beat and the ball was under thrown, let me watch it again.
Yeah the ball was badly thrown and right to him. Matt Ryan had a lot of nad throws today, but hey congrats to Kjac for getting the INT.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
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Looks like his arm is in there to me.....
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
watch NFL Network they show a perfect replay, KJAC had no impact on that play. Julios bad hands are what impacted that play.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
No, his arm is underneath Jones' arm.
EDIT: But it's not clear from that photo what impact KJ's arm/hand may have had after the photo was snapped.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
why watch a replay when you can CLEARLY see his arm in a still picture, put down the beer and get some sleep old man, we won
amazing80
Hall of Fame
underneath HITTING HIS ARM, you ever try to catch a ball while someone was hitting your arm? thats what corners do, his your arms or the ball....quit bitching like little school girls already my god
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Texans obviously still need to work on defending Hail Mary passes as there were 3 guys standing there looking at Julio. It was poorly defended.
C'mon, Wade ... look up 2010 vs. Jaguars???
And we also had an awful end zone breakdown on White's TD.
But KJ had an overall pretty good game, nice interception.
C'mon, Wade ... look up 2010 vs. Jaguars???
And we also had an awful end zone breakdown on White's TD.
But KJ had an overall pretty good game, nice interception.
foo82
Waterboy
Yet you conveniently ignore my argument. He was not beat. He just picked up a man who probably should have been covered by the safeties. This was originally Joseph's man. Both safeties bit the run fake.
As for the last play. I was at the game at the opposite endzone so couldn't say for sure. I watched the replays and agree that KJ should had made a better play on the ball. He had better positioning and had tracked the ball before the receiver looked at it. At that point he should have beat him to the spot and made an attempt and knocking the ball down
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
yeah his "Hand" was in there but he didnt even pull Julios arm down our touch the ball. he had no effect on that play. The highlights are there, i think some just refuse to watch.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
You should call out TJ Yates while you're at it for throwing that pick-6. That result was just as meaningless.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
I've watched the NFL Network replay a number of times now and KJ's glove is clearly visible on Jones' arm the entire time the ball is in play.
It's not clear that KJ is pulling Jones' arm down.
It's also not clear that he isn't.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
KJ could have playd that one better; but still he recovered and put his arm between Julio arms (that's what a CB is supposed to do) and thenpulled on Julio's left arm.
He was credited with a pass defended by NFL.com
3-15-HOU 30 (:01) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Jones (25-K.Jackson).
If Jackson had nothing to do with the play, he wouldn't have been credited with anything.
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His INT came on the 2-man route that I had described several times.
Jackson was the off-side CB (RCB).
The receiver (White) came from the other side of the field (JJo's man).
Julio was Jackson's man; he ran the crossing route while White ran the post route.
The Texans had a drop-kick call on, Jackson did his job nicely and intercepted the ball.
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Quit being HATERS! LOL!
EllisUnit
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Jackson did not pull Julios arm down. Like i told everyone, watch NFL Network they have the perfect replay to show KJAC did nothing but give Julio a perfect chance to tie the game.
I did!
Quit being a HATER!
When you refuse to take NFL.com assesment, you might want to... never mind!
I won't respond to you again on this matter.
It was booked as a PD by Jackson.
Deal with it!
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
watch this at the 3:05 minute mark, julio jones swats his own ball down. Kjac had nothing to do with him not catching the ball
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824bad22/Falcons-vs-Texans-highlights
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824bad22/Falcons-vs-Texans-highlights
Doppelganger
None
Actually it makes KJ look a lot better when you factor that he got 3 tackles, 1 INT, and 1 PD in half the defensive snaps.
Ouch!
Julio Jones had the ball in his hands. Kj grabbed one of his arms causing the ball to not be in his hands by the time his feet hit the ground.
Of course, if that were you or me out there, the ball would never have been in Jones' hands, but a pass defended is a pass defended.
EllisUnit
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by the time Kjac finally starts pulling his arm down, the ball is already out of Julios hands. Jackson had bad coverage. 76 even if he had caught that ball you would still defend Jackson. When it comes to Kjac i listen to you about as much as a 16 year old listens to their parents.
TexCanada
All Pro
Who would you rather have in the game? KJ is far from perfect, but he is a good football player and is the 2nd/3rd best corner on this team.
Go back & look at some of 76 Texans' posts. There is one (that we've talked about a lot) where there is a two receiver route, the play side safety cuts inside on the crossing receiver from the off-side & the off-side CB (Kj in this case) comes from the other side of the field & makes the play.
The QB thinks he's got a wide open receiver & the CB (Kj in this case) comes from the other side of the field to make the play. That's what happened on this play, Kj came from the other side of the field, that wasn't his man.
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EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
hmmmmm why did you even ask that, everyone knows who i'd say.
Ellis, it wasn't great coverage by kj but ask yourself this: does Julio's chances increase or decrease if kj is not right there pestering him?
Look, he scared me on that play and I still worry about his deep ball coverage but you have to give credit where it's due and you have to pick your battles.
This is not a 5 page topic IMO. We won the game, kareem was a factor on Julio not making that last catch. He didnt totally shut it down, but he was a factor against a freakishly athletic receiver.
He's not going to smother everyone every time.
Scooter
Funky
especially as just a second year player, jackson has been extremely solid this year and today was no different. jackson still has a lot of work to do, but the jump between last year and this year is incredible. he is actually starting to look a LOT like JJo to me. he's taking on a lot of joseph's style and approach. obviously nowhere near as refined, but jackson's good and getting better.
per the last play, "you're both right". i would've liked a little better positioning, but it did appear that jackson got in there just enough to mess up the receiver's left arm and cause the incompletion. bump, pull, or grab doesnt matter - the effect is the same.
per the last play, "you're both right". i would've liked a little better positioning, but it did appear that jackson got in there just enough to mess up the receiver's left arm and cause the incompletion. bump, pull, or grab doesnt matter - the effect is the same.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
ewww i'm done arguing it, Kjac will mess up in a big game and the WR wont drop the ball i just hope its not in a do or die game. Kjac is a liability out there. Sorry but the ONLY good QB we have faced all year while Kjac has played was brees in which Kjac looked bad and then Matt Ryan, all i can say is thank god for all the dropped passes.
When it comes time to play the likes of tom brady, Drew Breese again then Kjac will not "look" so good.
When it comes time to play the likes of tom brady, Drew Breese again then Kjac will not "look" so good.
Please watch that game again. Kj looked great (yes, I said great) for all but one drive in that game.
Great.
You know what? I actually believe this could very well happen. And you know what? That happens even to the best CBs some time.
A CB is not bad because he does one big mistake. A CB is bad when he regularly makes mistakes (like KJ did last year). Now basically what you are saying is: KJ is a liablity and we are lucky, that the other coaches and QBs weren`t smart enough to take advantage of this - and now take a moment and think about that: do you really think NFL coaches and QBs don`t do a lot of film studies and gameplanning so they would`ve figured this out? Wouldn`t they think: hey last year he sucked, we should just keep throwing at him now that they have a good CB on the other side?
If KJ was such a liability, other teams would`ve exploit it. If only QBs like Brees can exploit it, then he can`t be that bad - because Brees makes pretty much every CB look bad. Nobody says KJ is a great CB - but if you could get over all the bad feelings about him that you collected last year, you would start to see that he is having a real nice season.
fiasco west
All Pro
You know what the funny thing is?
If Kareem did nothing at all Julio Jones catches that ball without any interference.
One man was running to the zone while another was behind Julio. Kareem was the only one looking to make a play, any kind of play....
Could he have done better. Most definitely. But if he's not even there no one else is even close enough to make the play.
Which is why I said in the other thread, it was some bad zone defense when Julio can get a open catch in the EZ in that situation.
Edit: Pretty much, there were 3 guys playing zone in that area of the field. Julio is the ONLY WR on the left side of the field...and Kareem is the ONLY DB that is close enough to make the play...
GP
Go Texans!
I'd take the guy who has FOUR interceptions in only playing 50% snaps, in comparison to the guy who has ONE interception and just now got it TODAY in the 12th game of the year.
Jason Allen is making more plays, and you make more plays by being more instinctive on where to be, how to get there, and how to seal the deal.
This whole "KJ doesn't look nearly as bad as he did last year" crap is funny. It's rah-rah Kool Aid, my team doesn't make mistakes so we root for the round 1 draft pick and shade his growth irrespective of how the WHOLE defense around him is playing lights out and minimizing his lack of talent.
Lance Zerlein (sp?) told a guy on twitter that Jones dropped a sure TD pass. Lance is a respected analyst and doesn't shade the things he sees and comments upon. It was a dropped pass and KJ was late to defend it [/discussion]. We'll never know if the powerful bicep grab of KJ was going to knock out the football. Two feet down and the ball in both hands would have been TD Falcons, game over...while theorizing that KJ jerks Jones' left arm to the extent that it breaks up the pass before it can be ruled "possession."
But hey, he doesn't look nearly as bad as he did last year...for a guy who is playing 50% of CB2 snaps. LOL.
GP
Go Texans!
Quin was trailing the play, I suppose he could have tried to bat the ball down.
KJ was out of position and J Joseph was, too, on the previous play. In reality, the Falcons blew two back-to-back chances at a game-tying TD catch.
But Jackson, overall, still seems late and slow to react on deep pass plays.
fiasco west
All Pro
Quin was trailing the play, I suppose he could have tried to bat the ball down.
KJ was out of position and J Joseph was, too, on the previous play. In reality, the Falcons blew two back-to-back chances at a game-tying TD catch.
But Jackson, overall, still seems late and slow to react on deep pass plays.
Yep Quinn was trailing and someone else whose number I can't quite see and runs out of the scene is only about 3 feet from the play and just runs behind Jones and almost looks like he's anticipating something else. He does nothing, he doesn't affect anything going on there. If Kareem wasn't there at all Julio is grabbing the ball without any interference. Kareem pulls his arm, if Julio had stronger hands he makes the catch, but Kareem definitely pulled his arm.
Still though just like on the previous play they ALL need to play better in that situation. The Falcons had two shots at the game tying TD, I can agree with that. But it was far from being KJs sole responsibility.
TexCanada
All Pro
I have no idea, but I would have to assume you think Allen is better since there is no one else even close. For that last play, was Allen in the game? He got shaken up a few plays earlier and may not even have been available.
Scooter
Funky
this sounds like asante samuel vs nnamdi asomugha. one a deep zone playmaker vulnerable to slant, curl, and out routes, compared to a man to man defender who doesnt force many turnovers. i take nnamdi and kareem jackson ... especially with their run support factored in. sure jason allen is making more plays, he's also giving up more. the last time allen saw more than 50% of the defensive snaps, the raiders walked repeatedly down the field with the same dang play.
and now watching the replays, kareem jackson is wearing white gloves. folks missing his hand inside of jones's left arm are actively ignoring it. whether jones could've or should've powered through is all opinion, but after watching andre's hand strength on that 50 yard reception houston fans are biased on what receivers are capable of muscling for.
Quin was trailing the play, I suppose he could have tried to bat the ball down.
KJ was out of position and J Joseph was, too, on the previous play. In reality, the Falcons blew two back-to-back chances at a game-tying TD catch.
But Jackson, overall, still seems late and slow to react on deep pass plays.
I'll take it.
After all the injury crap the football deities serve up to us week in and week out, we deserve a break like this.
They had two chances to make a play - well, at least one, that first throw was over both the WR and DB's head - and didn't do it.
ATL will get no sympathy from me.
Why change what is working? I like Allen. I really do. He can change the momentum of games. But I like him splitting time with KJ. Both stay fresh throughout the game. What does KJ bring to the table that Allen doesn`t? His coverage in the first 2-3 seconds are way better, he doesn`t give up as many short or medium throws. His tackling is way better. So when we bring pressure KJ will keep the QB from making a quick throw - while Allen gets the INTs from the bad throws (the QB think his guy is open because Allen plays off but gets rattled by the pass rush). But when the QB gets time for a long throw, Allen is better in running with the receiver, finding the ball and make a play on it.
Nobody says KJ should play more than he is doing right now. Nobody says he is a great CB. But he is nowhere near as bad as last year. He has played pretty good coverage basically the whole year. A lot of our sacks were coverage sacks - for a coverage sacks all DBs must do their job. KJ did.
Last year he sucked - he was put in an impossible situation and looked like a 5th round rookie out there that was gonna sell cars in a couple of years. This year with a good team he is improving and looks good.
It`s always good to take a step back and think: hmm, when so many people have a different oppinion, maybe mine is not 100% correct... KJ is nowhere near an all-star - but he is nowhere near as bad as some of you think.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
I'm afraid if we release the guy he'll be a star on a rival team kinda like Babin is...
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I am going to lay off KJ tonight. He had a decent to good game. As for the drops, I believe ATLs WR were getting hit a little hard today and quickly too. I'm sure there was a bit of fear going on there. KJ put a good hit on one of those guys that shouldn't have been flagged.
