What's your plan for QB next season?

[DocBar]

He's definitely functional at times, there's just been no consistency, and if you asked me what his strengths are, I couldn't really tell you. That's a scary thing for your starting QB.

And for the record we have numerous issues on O, a terrible RT side and I think Miller has been just OK. Add all that together and you get out craptastic offense. Some issues are just too tough to overcome from a scheme perspective.
I think the Texans have come out several times with good game plans but opposing teams will make adjustments. When you have glaring deficiencies in your abilities it's not hard to start forcing you to do what you're not good at (if that makes sense)

This is why I like Savage better: much, much better mechanics and accuracy and his stats show that he gets better when blitzed or under pressure. Those are things that I don't think can be taught at the NFL level. You've been so thoroughly ingrained with those mechanics that you'll revert back to them when pressured.

 

[Number19]

Any thoughts on Matt Barkley replacing Tom Savage or Weeden?

He's an UFA. Should be available at the low end of the pay scale; four years under his belt but significant playing time only this past year with Chicago, high interception to TD ratio.

There is a mandate to improve the offense immediately this coming season. If Oz remains on the roster and you want a player at the 3rd position, maybe. But he would not be a candidate for #2 and certainly not for #1.

But even for #3, Weeden has experience in the system. IMO, OB would not be interested in bringing in inexperience.

 

[steelbtexan]

A legal adult charging onto the field to brawl with high school kids during the middle of a game is not a good thing. Let's not make excuses for it.

If Watt gets late hit at a game I do not anticipate his brothers to charge onto the field and attempt to fight the other team. Why? Because they are mature adults.

I don't say it's right. But if I was in the 18-21 yr old range and my brother got cheap shotted and somebody was intentionally trying to say blow out his knees, at that age I could see myself doing what he did.

There's a big difference between age 18 and age 25 in terms of maturity. I'm glad people don't hold some of the things I did at age 18 against me.

 

[leebigeztx]

I just can't wrap my head around the idea of Cutler in a Texans uniform. He would then have been given up on by two teams who really needed him to be the QB they were looking for. Some of these other guys we've been kicking around might be long on the tooth or maybe just damn near unavailable with or without injury concerns but they were held onto by their original teams for a long time specifically because they weren't believed to be the problem. Cutler has been identified as lacking twice now. I don't want him.

I look at it this way in terms of Cutler. Who by he way was in the nfc championship game. The Bears can cut him and owe nothing in terms of dead money. That team is a long way from winning in terms of talent. The texans are right there in terms of winnig a title. Do I think Cutler is a elite qb? No, but I think he has elite talent and a get hot qb much like Flacco and Eli. So the texans can trade for Cutler and cut Brock after 2017. I guarantee anyone Cutler completes those open basic throws Brock was missing. I gurantee the game plan is more aggressive because the qb can put more points on the board which helps the defense alot. So if I had to sacrifice simon,bouye,kareem or JJoe for Cutler, I would do it. The qb is the most important on the field period.

 

[jradMIT]

He has a $24M cap hit next year. We have $25M in cap space. That means we'd have to dump some contracts just to sign our rookies not to mention if we want to re-sign Bouye and extend Hopkins.

Actually, according to over the cap his cap hit if traded would only be 14 mil, Dallas would take a cap hit for the remaining 11M, not to mention, there are some easy cuts (not including JJO and Cushing), Weeden, Newton, Bergstron, Clark that are worth around 11 mil, plus consider the fact that since the Texans have 54 players under contract, for each player signed a player from the bottom is removed from the calculation roughly ~500k per signing. Essentially they can trade for Romo, sign Bouye, draft picks and still add a few other pieces while keeping Cush and JJo. Salary cap wont prevent them from making moves short of landing multiple higher end free agents.

I honestly think we should make a run at Romo for a mid round pick conditional to a higher pick based on his availability. When he plays and that is a big IF, he is a notch below the elite guys, but look at his last few healthy seasons, very good TD/INT ratios. He is by far the best option if we can get him. Cutler would be the next option his cap hit for us would be 12M, as much as he is bad he is still worlds better than brock, he can at least put up yards with INT's. Also we should draft a guy in the first three rounds and focus on decision making and accuracy.

All this Brock should have had 4 td's, but he consistently couldn't convert 3rd and manageable all game. There is a reason he can't throw for 200 yds like every qb damn near to ever play the game. Teams learned quick that he is terrible against a zone, he has a long delivery and stares down his man, that is why it always seems like there are 4 guys around the receiver. Honestly Hoyer is a better option than him. Pretty much any guy with a pulse, and yes while he could have had 4 td's he showed throughout the season that he isn't able to consistently move the ball and it all comes back to the things that won't change, his delivery is slow, he stares down his man, and he isn't accurate.

 

[Rocketzzz13]

What's wrong with waiting until 2018 to pick a qb they seem much better than these options. There's a chance if brock or savage start we do better or worst who knows, i rather pick high in 2018.

 

[76Texan]

I like BO as person and wanted him to do well, but after watching him all season my question to you is what are his strengths that OB should be playing to?

I see a guy that has poor mechanics, poor accuracy, can't see the field, panics under pressure and is highly error prone because of it. What should OB do game plan wise to fix that?

Plenty things OB can do.
If you go back and watch just the highlights of all the games he played; one can see a pattern of plays where he did well and where he did poorly.

One can notice the plays that highlight his strength vs those that expose his weaknesses.

Just call more of the positive plays to his strength and emphasize to him (and the other players) the finer points to improve on different situations where the plays were good, but the execution were not.

When I have time I can discuss those plays, but there's really no need.
If one analyzes those weekly highlight videos, the pattern should emerge rather clearly.

 

[otisbean]

Plenty things OB can do.
If you go back and watch just the highlights of all the games he played; one can see a pattern of plays where he did well and where he did poorly.

One can notice the plays that highlight his strength vs those that expose his weaknesses.

Just call more of the positive plays to his strength and emphasize to him (and the other players) the finer points to improve on different situations where the plays were good, but the execution were not.

When I have time I can discuss those plays, but there's really no need.
If one analyzes those weekly highlight videos, the pattern should emerge rather clearly.

You can't just watch highlight plays, you have to look at plays in the context of a game. As TK has pointed out, they've started strong in several games this year, and as I mentioned teams made adjustments forcing Brock to do what he isn't good at (and it's a pretty long list for a NFL QB).

 

[76Texan]

You can't just watch highlight plays, you have to look at plays in the context of a game. As TK has pointed out, they've started strong in several games this year, and as I mentioned teams made adjustments forcing Brock to do what he isn't good at (and it's a pretty long list for a NFL QB).

I know, but those videos are readily available on youtube so it will be easier to discuss.

You have over 20 games he played in; there are more than enough of a sample.

 

[steelbtexan]

What's wrong with waiting until 2018 to pick a qb they seem much better than these options. There's a chance if brock or savage start we do better or worst who knows, i rather pick high in 2018.

Agreed,

What's wrong with picking one this yr and one next yr?

 

[Brandon420tx]

What's wrong with waiting until 2018 to pick a qb they seem much better than these options. There's a chance if brock or savage start we do better or worst who knows, i rather pick high in 2018.

It's just that every year "seems like a weak qb class" or there is only 1-2 QBs worth drafting and they're always expected to be gone in the first 5 picks. It's time to stop waiting around for the perfect storm. Especially since I'm still convinced there is a mole in the front office and that's why so many teams trade up in front of the Texans.

 

[Number19]

Actually, according to over the cap his cap hit if traded would only be 14 mil, Dallas would take a cap hit for the remaining 11M, not to mention, there are some easy cuts (not including JJO and Cushing), Weeden, Newton, Bergstron, Clark that are worth around 11 mil, plus consider the fact that since the Texans have 54 players under contract, for each player signed a player from the bottom is removed from the calculation roughly ~500k per signing. Essentially they can trade for Romo, sign Bouye, draft picks and still add a few other pieces while keeping Cush and JJo. Salary cap wont prevent them from making moves short of landing multiple higher end free agents.

I honestly think we should make a run at Romo for a mid round pick conditional to a higher pick based on his availability. When he plays and that is a big IF, he is a notch below the elite guys, but look at his last few healthy seasons, very good TD/INT ratios. He is by far the best option if we can get him. Cutler would be the next option his cap hit for us would be 12M, as much as he is bad he is still worlds better than brock, he can at least put up yards with INT's. Also we should draft a guy in the first three rounds and focus on decision making and accuracy.

All this Brock should have had 4 td's, but he consistently couldn't convert 3rd and manageable all game. There is a reason he can't throw for 200 yds like every qb damn near to ever play the game. Teams learned quick that he is terrible against a zone, he has a long delivery and stares down his man, that is why it always seems like there are 4 guys around the receiver. Honestly Hoyer is a better option than him. Pretty much any guy with a pulse, and yes while he could have had 4 td's he showed throughout the season that he isn't able to consistently move the ball and it all comes back to the things that won't change, his delivery is slow, he stares down his man, and he isn't accurate.

Well thought out and presented. I would not do the Romo deal, but good job.

 

[TexansBull]

Could Brock make a comeback next year similiar or like Kurt Warner did with the Cardinals?

Clearly he will never be fit to hold Warners jock, but for comparison sakes could Brock comeback and fix his issues similar to how Kurt fixed his issues?

I am grasping at straws looking for something to he optimistic about and have hope for the 2017 season.

 

[DocBar]

Could Brock make a comeback next year similiar or like Kurt Warner did with the Cardinals?

Clearly he will never be fit to hold Warners jock, but for comparison sakes could Brock comeback and fix his issues similar to how Kurt fixed his issues?

I am grasping at straws looking for something to he optimistic about and have hope for the 2017 season.

Not with his mechanics and panics in the pocket. I was 1--% wrong on Os.

 

[Flux1281]

Could Brock make a comeback next year similiar or like Kurt Warner did with the Cardinals?

Clearly he will never be fit to hold Warners jock, but for comparison sakes could Brock comeback and fix his issues similar to how Kurt fixed his issues?

I am grasping at straws looking for something to he optimistic about and have hope for the 2017 season.

his body is just not made to have a quick release for football he is 6-8, he is to long would be like randy johnson trying to play Q.B

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Watching him play in Denver last season he threw the ball downfield much more frequently & more accurately as well. He even threw it better here, in the preseason & the first few weeks of the season.

& I'm not denying he has several real issues.

That is true.

Makes me wonder why tf he became so bad.

I wonder if he changed any thing with his mechanics.

 

[thunderkyss]

Could Brock make a comeback next year similiar or like Kurt Warner did with the Cardinals?

Clearly he will never be fit to hold Warners jock, but for comparison sakes could Brock comeback and fix his issues similar to how Kurt fixed his issues?

I am grasping at straws looking for something to he optimistic about and have hope for the 2017 season.

I think it's too late to try to fix his Mechanix. Like Philip Rivers, it is what it is. They may be able to tighten up a few things, work towards consistency. But he's going to play like he's 6'2" from here on out.

Regardless I think his primary issue is more mental, learning the offense in a practical manner, learning his teammates, & learning how to read defenses.

I kept saying we'll see a big difference in Osweiler's game after Thanksgiving. & it never really came.

But if I saw what I thought I saw in that New England game, I think O'b will start making excuses for Os... setting us up for naming him our starter before training camp. I think he already hinted as much post game when he started talking about interceptions are never on one person.

 

[Thorsson]

Romo's career is circling the drain and one big hit might cripple the guy! Why on earth would anyone want him on this team. Brandon Weeden (with no Dez Bryant to throw to) had a higher QB rating than Romo in 2015.

 

[powda]

Romo's career is circling the drain and one big hit might cripple the guy! Why on earth would anyone want him on this team. Brandon Weeden (with no Dez Bryant to throw to) had a higher QB rating than Romo in 2015.

Every thread right now has a sprinkiling of this crap in it. What the hell?

Start a goddamned Brandon Weeden thread no one will visit and keep this **** in there.

 

[Flux1281]

Romo's career is circling the drain and one big hit might cripple the guy! Why on earth would anyone want him on this team. Brandon Weeden (with no Dez Bryant to throw to) had a higher QB rating than Romo in 2015.

Not according to doctors but what do they know right ?

 

[Thorsson]

Every thread right now has a sprinkiling of this crap in it. What the hell?

Start a goddamned Brandon Weeden thread no one will visit and keep this **** in there.

No; every thread on here discusses the inept, overpaid Osweiler. We all know Osweiler is the worst free agent signing in NFL history. How many times do we have to beat the dead horse? Let's look to the future, and let's hope that Osweiler never plays another down for the Texans.

 

[powda]

No; every thread on here discusses the inept, overpaid Osweiler. We all know Osweiler is the worst free agent signing in NFL history. How many times do we have to beat the dead horse? Let's look to the future, and let's hope that Osweiler never plays another down for the Texans.

I am looking to the future. Weeden isnt it.

 

[Thorsson]

I am looking to the future. Weeden isnt it.

You must love the 4-yard passing game of Brock Osweiler! Or perhaps you enjoy Tom Savage highlights, you know, the Tom Savage who is the only NFL QB to have ever received a concussion on a sneak!

 

[powda]

You must love the 4-yard passing game of Brock Osweiler! Or perhaps you enjoy Tom Savage highlights, you know, the Tom Savage who is the only NFL QB to have ever received a concussion on a sneak!

Find a post where i said oz looked great in a game. You can look but i'll save you some time - it hasnt happened.

Did I openly root for savage to start over oz? Hell yes. A bag of crap wouldve been an improvement

Savage is the only qb to receive a concussion or injury durring a sneak? Prove it. That's all kinds of wrong.

That doesn't mean i think savage is the guy so dont misinterpret. I made a thread for you. Post your weeden propaganda there or assume people will begin ignoring you. At the least i will.

 

[steelbtexan]

I look at it this way in terms of Cutler. Who by he way was in the nfc championship game. The Bears can cut him and owe nothing in terms of dead money. That team is a long way from winning in terms of talent. The texans are right there in terms of winnig a title. Do I think Cutler is a elite qb? No, but I think he has elite talent and a get hot qb much like Flacco and Eli. So the texans can trade for Cutler and cut Brock after 2017. I guarantee anyone Cutler completes those open basic throws Brock was missing. I gurantee the game plan is more aggressive because the qb can put more points on the board which helps the defense alot. So if I had to sacrifice simon,bouye,kareem or JJoe for Cutler, I would do it. The qb is the most important on the field period.

I agree with this post

Love the thought of bringing in Cutler, but not at the cost of all of those FA's.

 

[Thorsson]

Find a post where i said oz looked great in a game. You can look but i'll save you some time - it hasnt happened.

Did I openly root for savage to start over oz? Hell yes. A bag of crap wouldve been an improvement

Savage is the only qb to receive a concussion or injury durring a sneak? Prove it. That's all kinds of wrong.

That doesn't mean i think savage is the guy so dont misinterpret. I made a thread for you. Post your weeden propaganda there or assume people will begin ignoring you. At the least i will.

Ignore me all you want, because I'm not gonna even bother reading your Weeden thread. To be quite honest, Weeden will probably not even be on the Texans next season. Training camp will be another BOBO (Brock Osweiler Benefit Outing)! There will be no QB competition; Osweiler will be the starter, barring injury. Weeden will most likely ask his agent to request a trade, as he has zero chance to ever throw another pass for Houston.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Weeden will most likely ask his agent to request a trade, as he has zero chance to ever throw another pass for Houston.

Journeymen don't usually request much, usually pretty content to take whatever they're given instead.

 

[JB]

So it looks like this thread has turned into Brock versus O'Brien; who's fault is it that the Texans didn't go further than they did. Let me see if I can settle this dispute. They are both mediocre, at best, at what they do. So is Rick Smith. That is why this team is a 9-7 team until they prove otherwise. 9-7 isn't going to win the AFC South forever. They need to improve or they need to go.

Sorry but that was a massive fail

 

[JB]

That is true.

Makes me wonder why tf he became so bad.

I wonder if he changed any thing with his mechanics.

I think someone got in his head. Much like Mallett he can't stand the heat of OB

 

[Sigma]

this is how I see it:

1- Osweiler will be on the team next year
cutting him now would cost 6M in addition to his already guaranteed salary, if we cut him june 1st we can push those 6M to next year. but we still need to dish out more money for the eventual backup QB.

so he will be on the team


2- Savage, I hope he goes

not because I don't like him, but because I think we should get a new QB, either from the draft or from FA. either way, we don't have space for more than 2 QB on the roster. so Savage could be part of a trade to acquire our new QB


3- Weeden, gone

he is the only QB that doesn't cost anything to cut, and since I want a new QB + we only have 2 spots on the roster, I expect he will be cut


4- Bring in a new QB

I didn't see anything that sold me on any QB in our team. bring in a new one, if he works awesome, if he doesn't work keep looking for a new one.
In the meantime fix the OL, ST and keep the defence at the top.

If we can manage to get a new QB and an entertaining offence to watch I'll be happy for next year, even if we don't make it to the playoffs.
If we have another crappy season like this year I'll probably stop watching games and just look at the highlights.

I already know I can't get interested in other teams, so I really hope the texans can entertain me next season

 

[DocBar]

this is how I see it:

1- Osweiler will be on the team next year
cutting him now would cost 6M in addition to his already guaranteed salary, if we cut him june 1st we can push those 6M to next year. but we still need to dish out more money for the eventual backup QB.

so he will be on the team


2- Savage, I hope he goes

not because I don't like him, but because I think we should get a new QB, either from the draft or from FA. either way, we don't have space for more than 2 QB on the roster. so Savage could be part of a trade to acquire our new QB


3- Weeden, gone

he is the only QB that doesn't cost anything to cut, and since I want a new QB + we only have 2 spots on the roster, I expect he will be cut


4- Bring in a new QB

I didn't see anything that sold me on any QB in our team. bring in a new one, if he works awesome, if he doesn't work keep looking for a new one.
In the meantime fix the OL, ST and keep the defence at the top.

If we can manage to get a new QB and an entertaining offence to watch I'll be happy for next year, even if we don't make it to the playoffs.
If we have another crappy season like this year I'll probably stop watching games and just look at the highlights.

I already know I can't get interested in other teams, so I really hope the texans can entertain me next season

You make it sound like new QB's are just naturally going to be good. Do you have any specific players you would like as the new QB or is jag good enough for you?

 

[Sigma]

You make it sound like new QB's are just naturally going to be good. Do you have any specific players you would like as the new QB or is jag good enough for you?

I don't think a new QB will be necessarily good.
But I have zero confidence in those already on the team, so I'd rather take a chance on a new one and see what happens.

I like that last year they went out and got Os. I don't even mind that they offered him such a big contract.

what I don't like is that the "experts" failed so bad at evaluating him.

I don't follow college football and I am no expert so I don't have any name in mind, I just don't think the current roster has a franchise QB in it.

Plus, I can't even guarantee you that my suggestion is the best way to go. I just tried to explain how I see the QB situation

Ideally, I would like to see a contract which gives all the guaranteed in year1, so after one season we can get out/extend if we feel the player is bad/good.

(overpay the first year rather than gamble the team cap situation of the future)

 

[DocBar]

I don't think a new QB will be necessarily good.
But I have zero confidence in those already on the team, so I'd rather take a chance on a new one and see what happens.

I like that last year they went out and got Os. I don't even mind that they offered him such a big contract.

what I don't like is that the "experts" failed so bad at evaluating him.

I don't follow college football and I am no expert so I don't have any name in mind, I just don't think the current roster has a franchise QB in it.

Plus, I can't even guarantee you that my suggestion is the best way to go. I just tried to explain how I see the QB situation

Ideally, I would like to see a contract which gives all the guaranteed in year1, so after one season we can get out/extend if we feel the player is bad/good.

(overpay the first year rather than gamble the team cap situation of the future)

Except for not being mad about Os' contract, we view the QB situation oppositely. I like Savage, except for the potential injury-prone part and think Weeden is better than either Os or "new QB" in this system. It takes too long for the QB's and WR/TE's to get on the same page for me to go with wholesale change at the position. I think that Savage and Weeden are both upgrades over Os and I would cut him or try and work a trade (even to the extent of paying half or more of his salary).

 

[thunderkyss]

I want to apologize for my comments yesterday. I feel I may have come across overly optimistic regarding Brock Osweiler. In my defense I'd like to point out I was heavily medicated, alcohol should not have been consumed (but was) & I think I argued myself into an indefensible position.

I am not as down on Osweiler as most. I don't think he earned a starting job, but I don't think he played his way off the team.

I believe Osweiler is most likely not the one. I believe the same about Savage. I think we should prepare for the likelihood that neither should be our starting QB. To that end, we should cut Savage as it hurts least. & we should draft a good prospect.

If we think that prospect could be ready to see playing time I'd cut Weeden. If we believe that prospect should work on mechanics & fundamentals, he'll be third string running the scout team with a QB coach supervising every rep.

 

[DocBar]

I want to apologize for my comments yesterday. I feel I may have come across overly optimistic regarding Brock Osweiler. In my defense I'd like to point out I was heavily medicated, alcohol should not have been consumed (but was) & I think I argued myself into an indefensible position.

I am not as down on Osweiler as most. I don't think he earned a starting job, but I don't think he played his way off the team.

I believe Osweiler is most likely not the one. I believe the same about Savage. I think we should prepare for the likelihood that neither should be our starting QB. To that end, we should cut Savage as it hurts least. & we should draft a good prospect.

If we think that prospect could be ready to see playing time I'd cut Weeden. If we believe that prospect should work on mechanics & fundamentals, he'll be third string running the scout team with a QB coach supervising every rep.

Cutting Savage hurts the least financially, but it doesn't necessarily do anything at all to help the team. It could, in fact, hurt the locker room, which truly seemed to embrace Savage. I also think Os' "I've got to improve" schtick every post game conference was getting old with the players, mostly because he never cleaned those mistakes up. I have no problem at all with drafting a good prospect, provided that they don't give up draft picks for that pick.

 

[Sigma]

Except for not being mad about Os' contract, we view the QB situation oppositely. I like Savage, except for the potential injury-prone part and think Weeden is better than either Os or "new QB" in this system. It takes too long for the QB's and WR/TE's to get on the same page for me to go with wholesale change at the position. I think that Savage and Weeden are both upgrades over Os and I would cut him or try and work a trade (even to the extent of paying half or more of his salary).

I never said I think Os is the best of the three. I actually think he's the worst.

I am assuming that Os is so bad that noone would trade for him, hence the savage trade.

and I expect weeden to be cut because clearly nobody on the texans has faith in him (he was #3 all year)
plus he doesn't cost anything if cut.


if they manage to trade Os instead of Savage I will be impressed. (and happy)

and I'd love for either savage or weeden to have a break-out season next year.

I'd still want to see a rookie qb drafted, if this offence requires time to learn it's better if we start teaching it to a new kid while we see if savage/weeden can become our saviour.

but as I said, I'm no expert, so who knows

 

[Number19]

this is how I see it:

1- Osweiler will be on the team next year
cutting him now would cost 6M in addition to his already guaranteed salary, if we cut him june 1st we can push those 6M to next year. but we still need to dish out more money for the eventual backup QB.

so he will be on the team


2- Savage, I hope he goes

not because I don't like him, but because I think we should get a new QB, either from the draft or from FA. either way, we don't have space for more than 2 QB on the roster. so Savage could be part of a trade to acquire our new QB


3- Weeden, gone

he is the only QB that doesn't cost anything to cut, and since I want a new QB + we only have 2 spots on the roster, I expect he will be cut


4- Bring in a new QB

I didn't see anything that sold me on any QB in our team. bring in a new one, if he works awesome, if he doesn't work keep looking for a new one.
In the meantime fix the OL, ST and keep the defence at the top.

If we can manage to get a new QB and an entertaining offence to watch I'll be happy for next year, even if we don't make it to the playoffs.
If we have another crappy season like this year I'll probably stop watching games and just look at the highlights.

I already know I can't get interested in other teams, so I really hope the texans can entertain me next season

This is all just speculation but it's the off season and we've got months and months of time to kill.

I'm taking n opposing view. My reading of the tea leaves, based on OB's comments, is that Oz is in OB's dog house. OB will convince McNair and Smith that a mistake was made and we need to cut our loses. Oz will be a June 1st cut.

But as a condition for letting Oz go, OB will be under a mandate to improve the offense now. As a result, he will not want to bring in a QB unfamiliar with his system. OB will be running the offense and calling the plays. He wants to use his full playbook and will go with QB's who can do this. He has two already on the roster and he will run with Savage and Weeden. Lending support to this assessment is the comment OB made that Weeden is still a part of the QB equation.

We will draft a QB late in the draft or sign an UDFA. This player will go through training camp, be released and then resigned to the practice squad.

 

[sandman]

This is all just speculation but it's the off season and we've got months and months of time to kill.

I'm taking n opposing view. My reading of the tea leaves, based on OB's comments, is that Oz is in OB's dog house. OB will convince McNair and Smith that a mistake was made and we need to cut our loses. Oz will be a June 1st cut.

But as a condition for letting Oz go, OB will be under a mandate to improve the offense now. As a result, he will not want to bring in a QB unfamiliar with his system. OB will be running the offense and calling the plays. He wants to use his full playbook and will go with QB's who can do this. He has two already on the roster and he will run with Savage and Weeden. Lending support to this assessment is the comment OB made that Weeden is still a part of the QB equation.

We will draft a QB late in the draft or sign an UDFA. This player will go through training camp, be released and then resigned to the practice squad.

We should have a bet thread on Os being on the team come June 2nd. Like all the losers have to change their avatar to Brock.

 

[Hervoyel]

I never said I think Os is the best of the three. I actually think he's the worst.

I am assuming that Os is so bad that noone would trade for him, hence the savage trade.

and I expect weeden to be cut because clearly nobody on the texans has faith in him (he was #3 all year)
plus he doesn't cost anything if cut.


if they manage to trade Os instead of Savage I will be impressed. (and happy)

and I'd love for either savage or weeden to have a break-out season next year.

I'd still want to see a rookie qb drafted, if this offence requires time to learn it's better if we start teaching it to a new kid while we see if savage/weeden can become our saviour.

but as I said, I'm no expert, so who knows

My first thoughts on Weeden were this exact line. Eventually I kind of talked myself around to thinking that this is probably not necessarily true.

The Texans began 2016 with a promising and expensive FA QB who they obviously wanted to succeed and who they had tied themselves to for a minimum of 2 years. The entire focus of this football team from the moment they traded Brock was to play Brock. In light of that both Savage and Weeden were in effect afterthoughts. Getting Brock into the system and well versed in it was the priority and so the other two guys were on the back burner. Nobody seems to have worried about developing Savage any further and Weeden threw the ball to the third string guys.

Weeden was in his first year of this system and Savage was in his third. Remember Weeden did the same thing Case Keenum had done the year before. He came in and picked up a simplified version of what we do on short notice. He looked good doing it but it wasn't our system. Not even close.

Savage was clearly ahead of Weeden in knowledge of our offense and Weeden was kept around as insurance in case Savage got hurt backing up Brock. That he wasn't given a chance to win any kind of promotion isn't surprising. He was in his first real year here and who gets excited about Brandon Weeden these days other than Thorsson?

He had his role and he did his job. It's not like Savage sucked so much that they didn't give him a chance to beat Brock out of a job so why do we assume that Weeden sucks so much that they didn't let him beat Savage out of the #2 spot? There was never a competition of any kind. It was just everybody do their job.

It all means mostly nothing.

Probably this year Brock will have to actually hold off Savage before the season starts.
Probably Brock wins that competition whether he wins it or not.
Probably nobody will give Weeden reps with the 1's regardless.

I don't think it's about Weeden sucking at this point. I think it's about Weeden being 33 and the already shorter than normal window he had due to his age being almost completely shut. The only thing that could have maybe given him a chance here (or anywhere) was being forced to play and kicking ass in the process. He played "well" in Dallas in 2015 but the Cowboys defense didn't hold up their end of the deal and he had no Dez and Dallas's running game was nothing special that year. He played "well" here in Houston against Indianapolis and Tennessee but it was too late in the season to push anyone out of the way.

 

[Brandon420tx]

Cutting Savage hurts the least financially, but it doesn't necessarily do anything at all to help the team. It could, in fact, hurt the locker room, which truly seemed to embrace Savage. I also think Os' "I've got to improve" schtick every post game conference was getting old with the players, mostly because he never cleaned those mistakes up. I have no problem at all with drafting a good prospect, provided that they don't give up draft picks for that pick.

Yeah, I don't really buy the bold. First Savage didn't play enough to form a solid opinion on if you were a player. Second, it's not like he was lighting up the scoreboard when he did play. Third, the teams expectations of the offense were already low at this point. I don't think the locker room is behind any QB at the moment. It's not like a Russell Wilson situation where he vastly outperformed Matt Flynn to earn the unquestioned starter spot.

 

[DocBar]

Yeah, I don't really buy the bold. First Savage didn't play enough to form a solid opinion on if you were a player. Second, it's not like he was lighting up the scoreboard when he did play. Third, the teams expectations of the offense were already low at this point. I don't think the locker room is behind any QB at the moment. It's not like a Russell Wilson situation where he vastly outperformed Matt Flynn to earn the unquestioned starter spot.

I think the team liked the fact that Savage isn't Os. Remember the stories of OB losing the team if he hadn't made the switch?

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Yeah, I don't really buy the bold. First Savage didn't play enough to form a solid opinion on if you were a player. Second, it's not like he was lighting up the scoreboard when he did play. Third, the teams expectations of the offense were already low at this point. I don't think the locker room is behind any QB at the moment. It's not like a Russell Wilson situation where he vastly outperformed Matt Flynn to earn the unquestioned starter spot.

Clowney was caught saying "now that's how you play QB" after a Savage throw though so there could be a general sentiment that Savage was better. But that's not saying much.

I don't see Savage as a guy that's going to break the teams spirit if he's not here as long as they bring in another viable option.

 

[Sigma]

Probably this year Brock will have to actually hold off Savage before the season starts.
Probably Brock wins that competition whether he wins it or not.

honestly I would be really surprised if Brock is the starter next year.

I think Os is done here, if he remains it will only be as a backup and to not waste money on someone else to come in as a backup QB

at least that's my hope

 

[banned1976]

Sorry but that was a massive fail

True. But one person in the debate admitted he was drunk and medicated. Which is a good remedy after suffering through watching the Texans offense. Doc will very likely disagree.

 

[Sigma]

For the college football junkies, which college qb would be better suited to pick up BOB system?

Not necessarily one that will be eligible for the 2017 draft.

 

[thunderkyss]

Clowney was caught saying "now that's how you play QB" after a Savage throw though so there could be a general sentiment that Savage was better.

That not true. It was on an episode of inside the NFL. One of our posters said that happened. Another poster posted the video of Jd mic'd up & he didn't say it. We were told that must have been an edited video. Some of us took the time to find that episode of Inside the NFL & confirmed it was a game announcer who said it over the highlights of the game. Not Jd.

 

[thunderkyss]

For the college football junkies, which college qb would be better suited to pick up BOB system?

.

We still don't know that O'b has a system.

 

[Texansphan]

Weedon was #3 behind Savage so if they can trade him for a draft pick, great. Otherwise release him.
Keep Savage.
Draft a qb in the second round.
Osweiler likely stays one more year.
The rookie needs to sit and learn the first half of the season while Savage and Os duke it out for starter.
Savage wins that one and Os is BU unless rook is ready second half of season.

 

[Hervoyel]

We still don't know that O'b has a system.

There is that little issue...

 

[Sigma]

We still don't know that O'b has a system.

We need to play better and coach better.

:/

What about NE system then?