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What's your plan for QB next season?

Despite the troubles Os had this season I am all for us drafting a QB within the first three or four rounds and letting that quarterback compete with Brock and either Brandon Weeden or Tom Savage.

If Os sucks as bad as most on here think he does than you have nothing to worry about because there is no way he wins a fair quarterback battle.

Even if by a small chance he does win he most likely won't do well come regular season and will be quickly demoted.
 
DocBar said:
Cutting Savage hurts the least financially, but it doesn't necessarily do anything at all to help the team. It could, in fact, hurt the locker room, which truly seemed to embrace Savage. I also think Os' "I've got to improve" schtick every post game conference was getting old with the players, mostly because he never cleaned those mistakes up. I have no problem at all with drafting a good prospect, provided that they don't give up draft picks for that pick.
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This and with the way his teammates backed him up all yr and then watched Os throw a temper tantrum when Griffin ran the wrong route on the last int, after Os sucked so bad in the 2nd half.

Os has probably lost respect of his teammates. This is going to put BOB in a tough spot as Ricky/Bob McNair force BOB to play Os, especially with BOB's job on the line.

Did anybody hear BOB's end of season press conference? He said Ricky was more in charge of FA/Draft. Interesting!
 
The way I look at it, the best course of action, is

1. Get Romo, cut Weeden, June 1st cut Os, retain Savage as the backup, and draft a QB in the first three rounds. Tough to say it as a cowboys antifan, but Romo is criminally underrated. His issue is health, but when he has played, he has played extremely well, any of his seasons between 2011-2014 season would be better than any season any QB has had in our franchise history. Health is the issue, play is not. Yes it is a roll of the dice, but you can hit big. If you assume there would be only a 25% chance he's healthy for he playoffs, that would still be our best chance to get the title. There's reason he has the 4th highest QB rating in nfl history, and if you look at his play the back half of his career has better numbers than the first. If he plays he definitely has something left. Also if you acquire him, Savage will get his shot in a few games undoubtedly when Romo misses time so it wont be as if you have completely given up on him. Throw in a rookie draft pick early in the draft to groom and possibly challenge for playing time later because of injuries or whatever.

or

2. Get Cutler, cut Weeden, cut Os after June 1st, retain Savage and draft a QB, same as before, however Cutler is not nearly the QB Romo is, but with this Defense the team can still win and go far. If you stay conservative, the Brock game plan so to speak, Cutler can win games, also you know what you are getting with him. You can limit his mistakes, but he has much better physical tools than Os and even his bad seasons were markedly better than what Os put up last year. So with Cutler, you lean on the D to win games, with a run heavy offense that takes shots.


Bottomline you have no chance to win with Os, he is just too limited. You can improve the line for sure and add more weapons, but it will be easier to go another direction. This team can win now with average Qb play.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you think Os will be a June 1st cut?

I'm betting no
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I doubt it. O'b hand picked him. & now he's going to be hands on over the whole offense to help Brock be the guy he thought he could be when he was reviewing tape on all possible prospects.
 
thunderkyss said:
That not true. It was on an episode of inside the NFL. One of our posters said that happened. Another poster posted the video of Jd mic'd up & he didn't say it. We were told that must have been an edited video. Some of us took the time to find that episode of Inside the NFL & confirmed it was a game announcer who said it over the highlights of the game. Not Jd.
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I stand corrected.
 
thunderkyss said:
I doubt it. O'b hand picked him. & now he's going to be hands on over the whole offense to help Brock be the guy he thought he could be when he was reviewing tape on all possible prospects.
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We disagree on whether Os was a BOB handpicked guy. Os was handpicked by Ricky. IMHO I know we disagree, nothing is ever Ricky's fault in your eyes.

Before you start putting out BOB's quotes I believe BOB was being a good company man, I mean what was he supposed to say?

At the yr end press conference BOB said Ricky McNair was in charge of the draft/FA.
 
steelbtexan said:
Before you start putting out BOB's quotes I believe BOB was being a good company man, I mean what was he supposed to say?
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He could have easily said Rick was impressed with Osweiler & he, O'b agreed.

Instead he said he, O'b, was impressed & Rick agreed with him.
 
steelbtexan said:
We disagree on whether Os was a BOB handpicked guy. Os was handpicked by Ricky. IMHO I know we disagree, nothing is ever Ricky's fault in your eyes.

Before you start putting out BOB's quotes I believe BOB was being a good company man, I mean what was he supposed to say?

At the yr end press conference BOB said Ricky McNair was in charge of the draft/FA.
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Isn't OB on record saying that he watched all of Os' pro and college games and told Smith he wanted Os, Smith agreed and they both went to McNair with it?
 
I don't think it will be an option to cut Oz. He is guaranteed 16m in new money next year. That is a lot of new $$$ to pay a guy not on the roster.

That leaves Oz on the roster with Savage and Weeden.

I would roll one more year to see if we get improvement in year 2, then make a move. Play calling, WRs and O-Line should hopefully all improve next season. If Oz can be reigned in and stop acting like a petulant child he could end up being the starter again, otherwise he can sit on the bench as a backup and watch Savage play next season. Oz's biggest problem is between his ears, but he is the only one who doesn't realize it.
 
DocBar said:
Isn't OB on record saying that he watched all of Os' pro and college games and told Smith he wanted Os, Smith agreed and they both went to McNair with it?
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That's what he said,

Exactly what a good company man would say.

That's not what reporters are reporting now.

Did you find it interesing that BOB said in his last PC that Ricky was over the draft/FA?
 
steelbtexan said:
That's what he said,

Exactly what a good company man would say.

That's not what reporters are reporting now.

Did you find it interesing that BOB said in his last PC that Ricky was over the draft/FA?
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How is OB breaking down a player, liking that player then telling the guy in charge of getting players to try and get said player being a good company man?
It's funny that you criticize TK for never blaming Smith for anything all the while the man can do nothing right in your opinion. A little yin and yang there? lol
 
I don't know if OS's problems are all between the ears, the inaccuracy and slow as hell delivery, he's really too old to change his mechanics and he will always be tall so his release is unlikely to speed up, the money is spent, so if the teams adds a rookie and a another veteran, savage to me is the one I keep, Os can move to greener pastures


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steelbtexan said:
That's not what reporters are reporting now.
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I have not seen any reports otherwise.

I've seen plenty of speculation that animosity between O'b & Rick were growing. That animosity was said to have gone back to possibly O'bs first day.

I doubt that had anything to do with Brock Osweiler.

They said the Hard Knocks crew noticed the bad air between the two.

I doubt that had anything to do with Brock Osweiler.

They said the rift between the two could lead to a mutual parting of ways.

They speculated Osweiler may have been the latest reason.

I think they got it wrong, it wasn't Osweiler, it was Godsey causing the friction. Rick was probably like, "I didn't bring Miller hear so he could run up Jeff Allen's backside." Or, "he's got all that speed & still can't get a WR open." Maybe even, "I thought you boys came from New England. That offense looks like something out of New Zealand... this ain't rugby."

& it was Godsey who would be mutually parting ways, not O'b.
 
DocBar said:
How is OB breaking down a player, liking that player then telling the guy in charge of getting players to try and get said player being a good company man?
It's funny that you criticize TK for never blaming Smith for anything all the while the man can do nothing right in your opinion. A little yin and yang there? lol
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He's done plenty right.

Just not enough to put together the depth that it takes to build a true SB contender. Example look at the OL depth this yr with cap space left over.
 
thunderkyss said:
I have not seen any reports otherwise.

I've seen plenty of speculation that animosity between O'b & Rick were growing. That animosity was said to have gone back to possibly O'bs first day.

I doubt that had anything to do with Brock Osweiler.

They said the Hard Knocks crew noticed the bad air between the two.

I doubt that had anything to do with Brock Osweiler.

They said the rift between the two could lead to a mutual parting of ways.

They speculated Osweiler may have been the latest reason.

I think they got it wrong, it wasn't Osweiler, it was Godsey causing the friction. Rick was probably like, "I didn't bring Miller hear so he could run up Jeff Allen's backside." Or, "he's got all that speed & still can't get a WR open." Maybe even, "I thought you boys came from New England. That offense looks like something out of New Zealand... this ain't rugby."

& it was Godsey who would be mutually parting ways, not O'b.
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This is where we disagree, they've never gotten along, Rick signing Os made the situation worse. BOB having to fire GG (in BOB's mind) because of Os sucking made BOB want out. IMHO

Nothing has changed.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is where we disagree, they've never gotten along, Rick signing Os made the situation worse. BOB having to fire GG (in BOB's mind) because of Os sucking made BOB want out. IMHO
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Doesn't make sense. I mean I can buy that they never got along. I don't see how Rick signing the QB O'b picked would make matters worse... nor do I see how Brock's performance made our offense so bad in 2014 or 2015.
 
thunderkyss said:
Doesn't make sense. I mean I can buy that they never got along. I don't see how Rick signing the QB O'b picked would make matters worse... nor do I see how Brock's performance made our offense so bad in 2014 or 2015.
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This whole thing reminds me of a drunk friend crying "you're not listening to the song right!!!".
 
jradMIT said:
The way I look at it, the best course of action, is

1. Get Romo, cut Weeden, June 1st cut Os, retain Savage as the backup, and draft a QB in the first three rounds. Tough to say it as a cowboys antifan, but Romo is criminally underrated. His issue is health, but when he has played, he has played extremely well, any of his seasons between 2011-2014 season would be better than any season any QB has had in our franchise history. Health is the issue, play is not. Yes it is a roll of the dice, but you can hit big. If you assume there would be only a 25% chance he's healthy for he playoffs, that would still be our best chance to get the title. There's reason he has the 4th highest QB rating in nfl history, and if you look at his play the back half of his career has better numbers than the first. If he plays he definitely has something left. Also if you acquire him, Savage will get his shot in a few games undoubtedly when Romo misses time so it wont be as if you have completely given up on him. Throw in a rookie draft pick early in the draft to groom and possibly challenge for playing time later because of injuries or whatever.

or

2. Get Cutler, cut Weeden, cut Os after June 1st, retain Savage and draft a QB, same as before, however Cutler is not nearly the QB Romo is, but with this Defense the team can still win and go far. If you stay conservative, the Brock game plan so to speak, Cutler can win games, also you know what you are getting with him. You can limit his mistakes, but he has much better physical tools than Os and even his bad seasons were markedly better than what Os put up last year. So with Cutler, you lean on the D to win games, with a run heavy offense that takes shots.


Bottomline you have no chance to win with Os, he is just too limited. You can improve the line for sure and add more weapons, but it will be easier to go another direction. This team can win now with average Qb play.
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No to #1 and a definite NO to #2!

The first scenario with Romo, though more acceptable than #2, would still leave the team with 2 injury prone QB's and a rookie. If Romo couldn't stay healthy behind the Dallas O-line what makes you think he can stay healthy behind the Texans O-line? That "roll of the dice" you mention is just a little too risky for my taste. As for the 2nd scenario with Cutler, he's had a more healthier career than Romo but that's about it. To me he's like a cancer on a team and I get the feeling it's never about winning with Cutler but just some sense of entitlement.

One thing we do agree on is they have to draft a QB somewhere in the early rounds (1-3) to develop.
 
Insideop said:
No to #1 and a definite NO to #2!

The first scenario with Romo, though more acceptable than #2, would still leave the team with 2 injury prone QB's and a rookie. If Romo couldn't stay healthy behind the Dallas O-line what makes you think he can stay healthy behind the Texans O-line? That "roll of the dice" you mention is just a little too risky for my taste. As for the 2nd scenario with Cutler, he's had a more healthier career than Romo but that's about it. To me he's like a cancer on a team and I get the feeling it's never about winning with Cutler but just some sense of entitlement.

One thing we do agree on is they have to draft a QB somewhere in the early rounds (1-3) to develop.
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The roll of the dice to me is worth it because this team can win now. The chance is worth it because your not sacrificing the future for it, a trade for Romo which I think will only cost a mid round pick and his salary is not guaranteed, you can cut him at no cost and a cap figure of 14 mil is palatable. What is the risk really? There is no other option right now unless you believe there is some hope for Brock, to me there is absolutely none. Brock is pretty much rock bottom, even in a worst case scenario where you lose both for the season, a rookie or a street free agent is no worse off than trotting Brock back out there. He put up a freaking 71 passer rating!! and Although the right side of the line was in shambles, he was bad even when he had time. This wasn't the worst line in the league, and the gameplan had to be so conservative to prevent him from turning the ball over. What is there really to lose? Also if Cutler was the starter in the NE game, I believe we would have had a chance to win. He couldn't convert a 3rd and 5 or less to save his life, even if Fuller catches that TD, would the Team been able to move the ball? Probably not, I'm not saying its a good choice, but its really the only choice in front of us short of hitting the lottery in the draft, which you can still try even with bringing in a veteran. Rolling out Brock next year would be akin to pretty much scuttling any chance.
 
I'm buying a ticket for the Romo train.

I see no other way to get a talented vet QB in here next year? Cutler is a cancer. Ok he has some talent, but I just can't see it and Romo is better when healthy (and yes I understand the irony)

Jimmy G? I like him and if OB had been smart he's be the starter here already. But I just don't see the Pats letting him go very easily. I see it as too costly.

Rivers? I've always liked him, but I don't think he's going anywhere.

Carson Palmer? Don't see it.

I mean who else is even a slight possible?
 
DocBar said:
Pure speculation on your part.
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Sure it is, but if reports by the national media are correct, then most likely things went down something like what I posted. This really comes down to wghat you believe. Given how Kubiak's tenure ended I tend to believe the national media on this one.
 
Porky said:
I'm buying a ticket for the Romo train.

I see no other way to get a talented vet QB in here next year? Cutler is a cancer. Ok he has some talent, but I just can't see it and Romo is better when healthy (and yes I understand the irony)

Jimmy G? I like him and if OB had been smart he's be the starter here already. But I just don't see the Pats letting him go very easily. I see it as too costly.

Rivers? I've always liked him, but I don't think he's going anywhere.

Carson Palmer? Don't see it.

I mean who else is even a slight possible?
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Signing/drafting Jimmy G was a Ricky call. Rumors are BOB wanted Jimmy G at 2-1 and Ricky told him Jimmy G would be there at 3-1 oops. Ricky appeared to learn from his mistake since he didn't wait on McKinney/Fuller/Martin etc... Ricky learned to trade up the hard way.
 
thunderkyss said:
Doesn't make sense. I mean I can buy that they never got along. I don't see how Rick signing the QB O'b picked would make matters worse... nor do I see how Brock's performance made our offense so bad in 2014 or 2015.
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Os was Ricky's pick. IMHO

While the offense wasn't good in 2014/2015 it had moments.

Under Os in 2016 the offense was historically bad.
 
steelbtexan said:
While the offense wasn't good in 2014/2015 it had moments.

Under Os in 2016 the offense was historically bad.
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So we established Godsey didn't know what he was doing. Give him a QB with only seven starts in a QB friendly offense, two often injured rookie WRs, & yeah... it's going to be bad.
 
Number19 said:
This is all just speculation but it's the off season and we've got months and months of time to kill.

I'm taking n opposing view. My reading of the tea leaves, based on OB's comments, is that Oz is in OB's dog house. OB will convince McNair and Smith that a mistake was made and we need to cut our loses. Oz will be a June 1st cut.

But as a condition for letting Oz go, OB will be under a mandate to improve the offense now.
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This is nonsensical, and could result in the following conversation:

BoB: Mr McNair, I think it's time we cut ties with Brock, admit our mistake, bite the salary cap bullet and move on.

McNair: Well Bill, we spent alot of money on Brock, and we're not done spending it yet, but I'm willing to do what you say we need to do as long as you understand that if it doesn't work out, and the offense doesn't get better immediately, then there's going to be consequences to be paid - and I don't just mean firing another assistant.

BoB: Okay then, we'll keep Brock, cuz this offense ain't gettin' better with or without him.
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I mean I'd like to think O'Brien has no leverage to do what you're talking about - improving the offense shouldn't be a bargaining tool to get rid of Brock (or any other thing O'Brien may actually want). It should be a separate and distinct issue from Brock. Brock or no Brock, O'Brien should be under that mandate to improve the offense in a meaningful way.
 
ChampionTexan said:
This is nonsensical, and could result in the following conversation:



I mean I'd like to think O'Brien has no leverage to do what you're talking about - improving the offense shouldn't be a bargaining tool to get rid of Brock (or any other thing O'Brien may actually want). It should be a separate and distinct issue from Brock. Brock or no Brock, O'Brien should be under that mandate to improve the offense in a meaningful way.
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I agree with this, except the offense isn't going to truly improve until the giraffe is gone. Unfortunately it's starting to look like BOB will be gone with Os.
 
Porky said:
I'm buying a ticket for the Romo train.

I see no other way to get a talented vet QB in here next year? Cutler is a cancer. Ok he has some talent, but I just can't see it and Romo is better when healthy (and yes I understand the irony)

Jimmy G? I like him and if OB had been smart he's be the starter here already. But I just don't see the Pats letting him go very easily. I see it as too costly.

Rivers? I've always liked him, but I don't think he's going anywhere.

Carson Palmer? Don't see it.

I mean who else is even a slight possible?
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Bradford or bridgewater?

Pryor?

Fitzmagic part 2?
 
Insideop said:
Shades of Aaron Rodgers with that throw at the 4:50 mark! :shades:
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It's funny you mention that, because that's the prospect that Peterman reminds me of. Keep in mind though Rodgers improved every aspect of his game immensely after getting to the league, and cleaned up his throwing motion. I think Peterman is the best prospect in this draft, not one of the best qb's in my lifetime but you never know how much a kid will improve. Look at their college numbers.


Aaron Rodgers

Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Qb rating

QB 13 215 349 61.6 2903 8.3 19 5 146.6

QB 12 209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 24 8 154.3

Career 424 665 63.8 5469 8.2 43 13 150.3

Nathan Peterman
Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Qb rating

QB 13 193 313 61.7 2287 7.3 20 8 139.0

QB 13 185 306 60.5 2855 9.3 27 7 163.4

Career 378 619 61.1 5142 8.3 47 15 151.1
 
coon said:
It's funny you mention that, because that's the prospect that Peterman reminds me of. Keep in mind though Rodgers improved every aspect of his game immensely after getting to the league, and cleaned up his throwing motion. I think Peterman is the best prospect in this draft, not one of the best qb's in my lifetime but you never know how much a kid will improve. Look at their college numbers.


Aaron Rodgers

Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Qb rating

QB 13 215 349 61.6 2903 8.3 19 5 146.6

QB 12 209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 24 8 154.3

Career 424 665 63.8 5469 8.2 43 13 150.3

Nathan Peterman
Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Qb rating

QB 13 193 313 61.7 2287 7.3 20 8 139.0

QB 13 185 306 60.5 2855 9.3 27 7 163.4

Career 378 619 61.1 5142 8.3 47 15 151.1
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go watch Peterman bs UNC they are in the 4th with a 10 point lead and their defense holds multiple times only to have Peterman miss on I think 3 easy 3rd down throws to let UNC come back and win. Watch Pat Mahomes if you want a Rodgers look a like. kid can throw the ball from any position and just flick it 60 yards. he is very bright 2 time academic all american, and he ran the offense this year. he walked up to the line saw the defense and called out the plays.
 
Rodgers at Cal and at Green Bay had his elite ability to move inside and outside the pocket...agree Mahomes is more like Rodgers butTrubinsky even more
 
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Shishkabob said:
go watch Peterman bs UNC they are in the 4th with a 10 point lead and their defense holds multiple times only to have Peterman miss on I think 3 easy 3rd down throws to let UNC come back and win. Watch Pat Mahomes if you want a Rodgers look a like. kid can throw the ball from any position and just flick it 60 yards. he is very bright 2 time academic all american, and he ran the offense this year. he walked up to the line saw the defense and called out the plays.
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I did not know he was an academic all american

Sign me up
 
Shishkabob said:
go watch Peterman bs UNC they are in the 4th with a 10 point lead and their defense holds multiple times only to have Peterman miss on I think 3 easy 3rd down throws to let UNC come back and win. Watch Pat Mahomes if you want a Rodgers look a like. kid can throw the ball from any position and just flick it 60 yards. he is very bright 2 time academic all american, and he ran the offense this year. he walked up to the line saw the defense and called out the plays.
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I'll look at that game. I like Mahomes as well, I just like Peterman more so far. I have both of them ahead of Trubinsky, Kizer, and Watson right now.
 
Shishkabob said:
go watch Peterman bs UNC they are in the 4th with a 10 point lead and their defense holds multiple times only to have Peterman miss on I think 3 easy 3rd down throws to let UNC come back and win. Watch Pat Mahomes if you want a Rodgers look a like. kid can throw the ball from any position and just flick it 60 yards. he is very bright 2 time academic all american, and he ran the offense this year. he walked up to the line saw the defense and called out the plays.
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I watched the UNC game. He plays really well for three quarters and then throws 4 passes in the 4th. 3 of them are 3rd and long. The throw on 3rd and 4 at the beginning of the 4th got away from him. I didn't come away from that game thinking he cost them anything, I actually think if they played a little less conservative he gets them in position for another score. We know all to well how hard it is to complete passes when you run, run, pass your series away. I still like him more than other qbs.
 
There's a lot of good discussions here.
In years past, I had mentioned Walsh and Madden.

Walsh looks for smart and touch, which I agree with. This is how you can utilize all 11 guys on the field, not just the 6 weapons. Eleven is better than 1.

Madden wants a tough and hard thrower.

Walsh won.

As far as each team, it depends on the QB situation at that particular time.

For the Texans, when they had Schaub, my thinking was NO on Gabbert. Locker and Ponder had nothing over Schaub in a significant sense.
Dalton has the smart, but limited.
Without Schaub, I would go with Dalton as the safe bet in the second.
With Schaub, I would go with Kaepernick. (All this was mentioned in the draft forum at the time.)
Kapaernick was raw and needed grooming, not a safe bet, but he's a different prospect with an upside.
I also said NO to Mallett.

2012, I said NO to Tannerhill (he was a betweener that does not serve anything with Schaub on the roster.)
Same goes for Foles.
I wanted Wilson, Keenum, and Cousins.
I wanted the Texans to get at least 2 of them.
I had said that these guys had seen the most pressure and they performed well.
This was the year that I looked at the QBs the most.
I had warned about putting Luck on a pedestal (but definitely a franchise QB) and that RG III is a risk.
Weeden is not to be considered as a prospect both because of his age and overall skills.

2013 was a low year.
The only two guys I saw were Barkley and Glennon, in the middle round, nothing to get excited about.
I did say that Glennon in the third about as good of a prospect as Schaub in the third round.
Somewhat in the same mold of slow footed QB.

Basically, my prognosis for all the QBs I've studied are quite close to actuallity. And so on with Newton, Mariotta, Hundley, Bridgewater, and etc.

It's far from an I told you so.
The draft forum is more for forward thinking.
 
Shishkabob said:
go watch Peterman bs UNC they are in the 4th with a 10 point lead and their defense holds multiple times only to have Peterman miss on I think 3 easy 3rd down throws to let UNC come back and win. Watch Pat Mahomes if you want a Rodgers look a like. kid can throw the ball from any position and just flick it 60 yards. he is very bright 2 time academic all american, and he ran the offense this year. he walked up to the line saw the defense and called out the plays.
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Isn't the question with Mahomes that he was never, or rarely, under center? Not that he's the only one who didn't get much time under center, but do you think that is something BOB would hold against him and instead would prefer a QB like Peterman because he did play under center quite a bit?
 
steelbtexan said:
Kelly has a much better arm than you give him credit for. I didn't know he was smart. Should understand the NFL game growing up around the game. I will admit my bias, his uncle Jim was one of my favorite QB's.
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He sounds like your kind of guy
Kelly lacks ideal measureables but he's an athletic quarterback who has intriguing arm talent. Lead Ole Miss to a 10-3 record with a Sugar Bowl victory (65% - 4,042 31 TD 13 INT) in his first year as a starter. (2015). He is a highly competitive player but must become a better decision maker. Teams will need to do their homework on Kelly's make-up. Started career at Clemson but dismissed from team (Spring 2014) and was also arrested at a bar in Buffalo in December of 2014 (Reportedly has excellent work ethic). Projects as a mid-round pick. July 9, 2016
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A little wild but works hard
:D
And actually I'd give him a hard look too. Any kid with victories over Alabama and LSU on his resume' has my attention.
 
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Isn't the question with Mahomes that he was never, or rarely, under center? Not that he's the only one who didn't get much time under center, but do you think that is something BOB would hold against him and instead would prefer a QB like Peterman because he did play under center quite a bit?
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he very well might, but dak never played under center and he is operating fine, Derek Carr was a purely spread qb and he transitioned just fine. if the kids has the brains and work ethic he can learn how to do it. Mahomes also immediately after declaring went to Florida I think to work with actual NFL coaches, not just a "qb guru" to prep him for the draft.

one thing that has me worried with Peterman is how much play action they tend to use, and how many bootlegs he rolled out on. I know he is athletic and it works to his advantage, but I also wonder if they used it a lot because he has difficulty reading a whole field. but I still have more studying to do on all these prospects, I wish draftbreakdown would upload more videos for Peterman I believe they only have 4
 
Shishkabob said:
he very well might, but dak never played under center and he is operating fine, Derek Carr was a purely spread qb and he transitioned just fine. if the kids has the brains and work ethic he can learn how to do it. Mahomes also immediately after declaring went to Florida I think to work with actual NFL coaches, not just a "qb guru" to prep him for the draft.

one thing that has me worried with Peterman is how much play action they tend to use, and how many bootlegs he rolled out on. I know he is athletic and it works to his advantage, but I also wonder if they used it a lot because he has difficulty reading a whole field. but I still have more studying to do on all these prospects, I wish draftbreakdown would upload more videos for Peterman I believe they only have 4
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Wait... are you implying that Mahomes was reading the entire field? In a Texas Tech offense?
 
Draft breakdown uploaded the Miami vs Pitt game recently. It is easily the worst game I have seen Peterman play. He was under pressure the entire game, and he didn't play as well as I have come to expect. Made a poor throw in the redzone that resulted in a int, his accuracy wasn't as sharp, and he was throwing without a strong base. His recievers didn't help him out much with seperation, but he played poorly. I don't think it changes my opinion on him too much though, I don't think many qbs would handle that much pressure well. I still think he is a diamond in the rough.
 
JB said:
Wait... are you implying that Mahomes was reading the entire field? In a Texas Tech offense?
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Yes, he does at times.
He definitely sees much more of the field than Osweiler ever did.

This is one of the major reasons I put him at no. 3 at the moment.
 
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