This group doesn't have even one qb that could come in here and start. jmo. Goff, spread offense throws ints like hoyer when pressured. Wentz and Lynch are small school guys who will need a ton of coaching. Don't mind drafting any of them but no way in hell is O'Brian starting any of them imo. We will be trading for orpicking uo a fa qb unless (god forbid) we keep hoyer no matter who we draft and whoever that is will be the starter.
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What to do in 1st round?
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Texan4Ever
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Other Alternative...no doubt we need another RB, bolster our OL, and add pieces to our D. Obviously QB so how about Mike Glennon of the Bucs? I'm not sure how he fits our offense but I feel he's someone who, given an opportunity can become a solid QB for us. He has the height and arm needed and reminds me of a poor man's Joe Flacco. Trading for him is something I would consider but only if the price is right.
Texan4Ever
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Other Alternative...no doubt we need another RB, bolster our OL, and add pieces to our D. Obviously QB so how about Mike Glennon of the Bucs? I'm not sure how he fits our offense but I feel he's someone who, given an opportunity can become a solid QB for us. He has the height and arm needed and reminds me of a poor man's Joe Flacco. Trading for him is something I would consider but only if the price is right.
My point is that this team cant sit around and wait for a quarterback to develop , he has to do it on the fly.
I would expect a bigger jump from year one to year two if he actually played year one .... riding the pine for year one (all or part) and we're waiting to year three ....
Basically one year is a throw away season for QB development .... You pick the most desirable scenario:
2016/17 with a stop gap quarterback and the rookie riding the pine gets his feet wet in 2017/18 and is ready in 2018/19
Throw that rookie QB to the wolves in 2016/17 and he is ready to go in 2017/18. He has the benefit of a full years starts under his belt by year 2 instead of year 3. If it means one sub par season .... so be it. We're going to have that season one way or another , may as well get it out of the way early.
Yes to the above. I would contact the Bucs and see what it would take to get Mike Glennon. I would do a 3rd round pick and the Bucs might take that since Glennon is never going to see the field here unless Jameis gets hurt.
IMO opinion Glennon is already better than many starters in the league and has potential to be really good. He's head and shoulders above anyone the Texans carted out there this season.
IMO opinion Glennon is already better than many starters in the league and has potential to be really good. He's head and shoulders above anyone the Texans carted out there this season.
Again its just my opinion but I don't see any way in hell OB is going to throw away an entire year on rookie quarterback
What's the difference .... Rookie QB or Hot Garbage FA. One of them you may win a couple more games with in that first season , big deal , he aint gonna win you a Lombardi Trophy. May as well get the rookie some experience early and move your timeline up a year.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Had Glennon played better when given the chance, jameis wouldnt be the qb. He played ok when he took over for freeman, but the next year he was trash. You dont give up a third for him. Foles, geno,manuel, a 3rd, not Glennon
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Put me on board with no way a rookie comes in and starts. I do like the bucs backup idea.
I say qb in second. 1st pick BPA
I say qb in second. 1st pick BPA
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
EJ Manuel 78.5 rating, 35 QBR.
Geno Smith 72.4 rating, 41 QBR
Mike Glennon 83.7 rating, 51 QBR
Good call.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Glennon had vjax and mike evans as threats. Who was geno and ej throwing to? I'm not opposed to Glennon, i just wouldn't give up a 3rc for a guy drafted in the 3rd who hasnt played well.
Who said go out and sign hot garbage? I want a free agent or a trade for a quality vet that can lead this team. Someone who is smart and doesn't turn the ball over. Or someone with lots of upside potential. If we are really serious about winning now,and that should be the plan, bringing in hOT garbage and a rookie ain't good enough.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
As is your reply. I have repeatedly said get vet that can win now and a young qb to develop.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What vet?
Maybe I missed the magic vet tree out there. Just pluck one off. The whole rest of the league missed out on this easy solution. Wait, his name is Brian freaking Hoyer.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
If a guy can win now the likelihood that he would be available is close to nil. The best you're going to get out of that philosophy is a guy like Fitzpatrick who can bridge the gap for 1-2 years. That's why it's so important to make an investment into the position.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I brought up trading for Glennon months ago. It's not a sexy move but it's basically the Schaub move all over again. It makes way more sense than the popular idea around here of trying to get Brees, Stafford, etc. I'd do it. You wouldn't have to give up anything insane, and he's shown well in limited playing time. But he's never going to play over Winston, much like Schaub was never going to play over Vick, no matter how good he was.
My hope is that people remember their evaluations of these QBs after the draft.
If most people don't feel there is a QB worth selling the farm to get, my belief is that we don't feel there's a franchise QB in this draft. If that is the case, then we needed to scratch QB in round 1. Pick the best available at 54 or where ever we pick in the 2nd. If that happens to be Cook, Coker, Wentz, Hack, or even Hogan accept it for what it is. Let him battle it out with Savage. Let those two share QB duties until we find the franchise guy, even if we have to give up the farm for him.
Nobody takes a QB in the first & turns around to pick another first rounder the year after, or two years after. IMO, we need to leave that option open. Bring stability at the QB position. Stop with the Hoyers, Fitzpatricks, Yates & Weedens. Draft a guy, stick with him & look for that franchise guy.
That said, if there's a franchise guy in this draft, do what you gotta do to get him. If that means giving our first, second, & third round picks this year & next to Cleveland, so be it. A franchise QB is worth it.
That's fine. If you like Elliott better, you like Elliott better. Nothing wrong with that.
I probably fall into the "traditional" grading thing more than anyone else on the board, but... just because a guy hasn't played top competition does not knock him out of the first round. Neither Flacco or Roethlisberger played against top competition. Ben went 11, Flacco went 18. I think those guys should go mid-first, but wouldn't consider Ben a reach at 11. Neither played in a pro offense.
Aaron Rogers, he checks all the boxes, except for playing in a pro system. Should have been taken closer to 15. Had it not been for the goofy rookie contracts back then, I bet someone would have traded outside the top 10 to get him.
If you like Aj McCarron, you've got nothing to worry about. OB drafted Tom Savage while McCarron was already on the board.
I liked McCarron in that draft. But if OB thinks Savage is better... I'm willing to wait & see.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Glennon played better as rookie, then kinda went backwards. Sounds familiar? I think you can bring a guy in like him or rg3 and let it roll. We know hoyer is a bum.
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And also cutler why not the free agent list looks like hot garbage right now unless u like tracking the unknown
Like tolzin mcgolin and Davis and a few others
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
It's set up so you can change your vote.
Roethlisberger went to a Steelers team with a solid defense and a HOF RB in The Bus. Flacco went to a team with a very good defense and Ray Rice in his prime. Rodgers didn't take a meaningful snap for his first three years on the team.
My point is if you have a good running game and a stout defense
OR
a solid guy (okay Favre was better than "solid") already starting at QB for your youngster to learn from you can take a gamble on a small school guy with talent. The running game is your primary offensive weapon and your defense keeps you in games. You can absorb his learning bumps and bruises.
OR you have the option of letting him watch and learn from the solid vet.
We have the solid defense but not a fearsome running attack.
And we sure as heck don't have the solid vet at QB.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
I know I mentioned Glennon after last year's draft, but I also mentioned McGloin, so what the hell do I know? Haha.
Indeed, I wanted us to trade for Kirk Cousins when RGIII was still hot, but Kubiak wasn't having any of that.
This isn't a post to say I have foresight, though. It's a post to leads into my next point, to wit: who would be opposed to taking two QBs in this year's draft, much like Washington did with RGIII and Cousins?
Just food for thought.
That would certainly mean that the FO considers Savage a bust, which wouldn't bode well. I don't see that happening, though.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
There is no opposition from this corner to drafting 2 QB's
Let me correct you, had Glennon been given a chance Jameis wouldn't be the Bucs QB because they wouldn't have had the #1 pick last year. Glennon didn't hardly play "the next year". He exceeded expectations when he replaced Freeman as a rookie. Then the following season Lovie comes in, signs Josh McCown and names him the starter not even giving Glennon a chance. McCown gets hurt, Glennon comes in and out performs McCown however Lovie gives McCown his job back when he is able to play again. That was a real head shaker. I assume he was just trying to get the #1 pick by sticking with McCown.
Glennon is better than Foles, Geno Smith, Manuel, etc. If the Texans can get Glennon for a 3rd they should do it in a second (assuming they don't have the option to draft a potential franchise guy).
Another thing they get with Glennon is he doesn't turn the ball over. His rookie season he threw for 19 TDs and 9 INTs. That with no offensive line and no running game.
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Where are you getting that he went backwards?
We're 30 million under the cap. We won games with the likes of Hoyer, weeden. There has to be better options out there than that crap. Kapernick, Bradford osweiler someone with experience that has starters qualities. If the young guy beats him out so be it.
bah007
Hall of Fame
It's sad to think about but how much worse an option than Hoyer would McGloin really have been?
I'm not going to pretend I was banging the table on this Glennon idea but I do think there is something there.
I'm not a big fan of taking two QBs. If you're taking two, then that means you probably shouldn't have taken the first. And that's exactly where Washington ended up.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Lol - he said Kaepernick.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Is Hoyer a bum? Me thinks no. I'm blaming the coaching staff more so then Hoyer (who does deserve some heat) because it seems to me they didn't prepare too much nor make any adjustments.
As for Glennon he gives us someone who has played in the NFL and is ready to go vs an unproven rookie. I'd take the latter over the former as we can build and invest around Glennon far faster than we can with a rookie.
Me thinks yes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Bridgewater is not a success at this point in his NFL career?
Eh... We've averaged 120 rushing yards since week 8. Fearsome, maybe not. But a good QB is a good QB & just because he came from a small school doesn't change that.
Devonta Freeman, Leveon Bell, Jeremy Hill, Lamar Miller, Tj Yeldon, CJ Anderson, Jamal Charles... much easier to find a game changing RB outside the first.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I'd draft a quarterback in the first round. As well as signing whichever of the three may become available when they are released: Robert Griffin III, Johnny Manziel and perhaps even Colin Kaepernick. Those teams want to trade them but they have little to no trade value for various reasons. A QB hungry team will snag them once they are easier to sign.
I'd part ways with Hoyer and sadly, even Yates. I want to say goodbye to Tom Savage too, too many injuries, but that kid will be here in 2016.
If it were up to me I'd bring in three new quarterbacka.
One free agent (RGIII, Manziel, Keapernick are notable names).
That one free agent would compete with our first-round pick and fifth-round pick quarterbacks (two guys I'd draft in this upcoming draft in those rounds). We need to give Bill O'Brien something new and something worth working with.
What he has right now isn't good enough...
But either way, I'd like to draft two quarterbacks in this upcoming 2016 NFL Draft. 1st round and 5th round. But I'd be okay doing 1st round and 4th round as well. We almost have to. Maybe even get that second QB in the 6th round. 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd would seem like we're desperate. LOL.
I'd part ways with Hoyer and sadly, even Yates. I want to say goodbye to Tom Savage too, too many injuries, but that kid will be here in 2016.
If it were up to me I'd bring in three new quarterbacka.
One free agent (RGIII, Manziel, Keapernick are notable names).
That one free agent would compete with our first-round pick and fifth-round pick quarterbacks (two guys I'd draft in this upcoming draft in those rounds). We need to give Bill O'Brien something new and something worth working with.
What he has right now isn't good enough...
But either way, I'd like to draft two quarterbacks in this upcoming 2016 NFL Draft. 1st round and 5th round. But I'd be okay doing 1st round and 4th round as well. We almost have to. Maybe even get that second QB in the 6th round. 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd would seem like we're desperate. LOL.
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EVOLVIST
Kid A
Hmmm...yeah, well, moderately so, right? Far better than what we've got for sure. I wanted Bridgewater on our team. No doubt. Having only played two season, yeah, he's been successful so far.
silvrhand
All Pro
Free Agent QB listing:
Quarterbacks
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Sam Bradford
Brock Osweiler
Chase Daniel
Matt Moore
Tarvaris Jackson
Chad Henne
Matt Schaub
Brandon Weeden
Jimmy Clausen
Colt McCoy
Matt Hasselbeck
Drew Stanton
Dan Orlovsky
Bruce Gradkowski
Charlie Whitehurst
T.J. Yates
Matt Cassel
Luke McCown
Scott Tolzien
Michael Vick
Matt Flynn
Kellen Clemens
Josh Freeman
Quarterbacks
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Sam Bradford
Brock Osweiler
Chase Daniel
Matt Moore
Tarvaris Jackson
Chad Henne
Matt Schaub
Brandon Weeden
Jimmy Clausen
Colt McCoy
Matt Hasselbeck
Drew Stanton
Dan Orlovsky
Bruce Gradkowski
Charlie Whitehurst
T.J. Yates
Matt Cassel
Luke McCown
Scott Tolzien
Michael Vick
Matt Flynn
Kellen Clemens
Josh Freeman
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
An NFL coach shouldn't have to teach accuracy to a dude that has been in the league as long as Hoyer has. His picks were atrocious. He was shooting with a bent barrel from the start. The only adjustment would've been to yank his ass and send him to the locker room to pack his crap.
I've never been a fan of trading draft picks for anything, but I've gotten to the point of wanting to do whatever it takes (minus the trading Watt BS) to get a QB in here. I don't think this QB draft class will be any help the first couple years, so I'd hope they're going to be looking at FAs, current back ups or a possible trade for an existing starter. I don't know who, it's not my job, but OB has to know a QB is a must or he'll be looking for a new job
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Quarterback in the first round and running back in the second round. Maybe Rick Smith will prove us wrong and actually land somebody good when we least expect it. He's never taken either of those positions that high in the draft before so I hold out some hope that he'll hit some home runs in this upcoming draft. He has a past of wasting so many third, fourth and fifth-round picks so I almost have little faith in that area of the draft and I'm definitely on board with trading multiple picks for an extra first or second-round pick if needed.
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humblegeo
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First two rounds QB RB remaining rounds, a TE that can actually catch a ball, add a WR, OL, all offense!!! We scored ZERO points in the playoffs.
I'm opposed to it. ID the right guy the first time.
Easier said than done I know. Most would also say that they would never trust Smith/OB to ID the right guy, but I'm speaking on the philosophy of the idea here and not the specifics of this team now. No one worth their salt should have to actively show that they're just throwing darts.
1. I already said one of my fave QBs, Steve McNair, is from a tiny school so I'm totally in agreement with the "if the dude can play, he can play" school of thought. My question is: which QB in the upcoming draft is a real 'baller'?? I care less about how tall a dude is compared to the amount of "I'm going to cut your heart out" a dude has (see Roger Staubach or Joe Montana).
2. All those F/A RBs you mentioned will be looking to get paid. And the best ones, J.Charles, Lamar Miller, Leveon Bell will most likely be retained by the teams they're currently on. My point here is that with the current rookie pay scale, you'll get better value even from a first round rookie RB than one looking to sign his second/mega deal.
I don't get the rush to sign a first rd QB especially since there are no A. Luck/J. Winston quality guys in this draft. Almost smacks of panic-driven decision making.
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