Cutler actually had a good yr with a beat up receiving corps.
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What to do in 1st round?
- Thread starter Seegara
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Cutler actually had a good yr with a beat up receiving corps.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
How often do the Texans put the QB up behind the center? Not much. I wish they'd do it more often. Screw these spread formations.
We have a Michigan St. QB, his name is Hoyer
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Bulls on Parade
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Agreed. Maybe with a healthy Arian Foster back in 2016 we can run more double tight end formations as well. We'd go back to more of a power running game so the quarterback will play directly behind center more often, and we can still use shotguns (for the versatility), especially if we had a guy like Connor Cook, don't get me wrong.
I miss what we were doing quite effectively when Arian Foster was healthy in 2014. In a road game against the Dallas Cowboys, in particular, Foster just carried us to Overtime in that game. To the tune of 23 carries. 157 rushing yards and 2 TDs including a sensational 33-yard score.
O'Brien, as a rookie head coach, foolishly called a Fitzpatrick pass on 3rd and short near midfield, rather than an Arian Foster run when he was owning that game. We threw an incompletion, punted, and Dez Bryant made a big catch on Joseph to set up a Dan Bailey field goal.
But I actually watched that game again recently, I have it recorded. To me that was the last time Arian Foster was truly 100 % healthy and carrying the rock like a superstar. We ran a lot of plays with Fitzpatrick directly behind center in that game. A lot of double TE formations too. We had a power running game. I want to get back to that in 2016 with an upgrade at quarterback.
Bulls on Parade
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People once said the same thing about Michigan quarterbacks and then Tom Brady, a sixth-round pick in 2000, changed all of that perception. We even drafted Drew Henson, who was playing professional baseball, in the sixth round of the 2003 NFL Draft with plans to trade him to the Dallas Cowboys if I remember correctly. But the perception on Michigan quarterbacks quickly changed. All of a sudden they were becoming a hot commodity.
And plus Connor Cook, physically, is much stronger, taller and more athletic than Brian Hoyer. He's more of an ideal fit for what I envision a pro querterback to look like. If he can be coached up he has all the physical tools and talent to succeed in a pro system.
I wouldn't put too much stock into Cook being from Michigan State or the fact he played a stinker against Alabama in his last collegiate game a few weeks ago. His shoulder will be healthy by training camp for whatever team he plays for. I think he's wise to skip the Senior Bowl if his shoulder is still bothering him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We ran heavily ZBS in 2014. Less so in 2015.
Which is another OB oddity that he has moved the play calling without revamping the OL.
Bulls on Parade
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You're right but all the quarterback shuffling he's had to do, along with Arian Foster being unable to stay healthy, it's hard to really settle down on anything offensively with any consistency.
It's truly amazing we've gone 9-7 in Bill O'Brien's two seasons as head coach, along with a division title and playoff appearance.
Most any other team in our position would have gone 5-11 or worse playing all the quarterbacks we have played. I have to list them all to keep count. Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Savage, Keenum, Hoyer, Yates, Weeden...
That's seven different quarterbacks we have played during the regular season the past two seasons. Unless I'm forgetting somebody. Shane Lechler was even warming up to come in to play quarterback for the final play at Indianapolis during the 2014 season but Savage had finished that game despite being injured.
Any other team playing seven different quarterbacks and without their best player on offense. Which Arian Foster was at that time (That Cowboys game I'm talking about), would not go 9-7 in back-to-back years.
I commend Bill O'Brien for his coaching. He's been successful under the circumstances. But in order to take the next step towards becoming a Super Bowl contender we need a good quarterback. Whether it's an elite quarterback, great quarterback or just a good quarterback. Either of the three will work.
Let's roll the dice. Draft a quarterback at pick #22 and hope he pans out.
Number19
Hall of Fame
This is why I'm commenting on a need to upgrade our OL in a significant way. Our OL is not bad - maybe a bit above average - but for our offense, it may not be the best fit.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Screw it! Peyton Manning isn't long for Denver, so let's pick him and have him run OB's offense any way he wants to. Manning will perform much better outside of Kubiak's prohibitive offense, and we might even win a championship while he tutors a young guy behind him. Putting Manning back into the division with Luck to kick the young kid's ass.
Don't be so quick to poo poo. Johnny Unitas was still playing at a high level in 1971, at the age of 38. John Elway won his last Superb Owl at 38. George Blanda had a remarkable season in 1970, leading the Raiders to a championship game at the age of 43 (he didn't retire until he was 48). Joe Montana was still in the playoffs at the age of 38. Dan Marino was still Dan Marino (arguably) at 38. Warren Moon was still pretty good at the age of 42 (he retired when he was 44).
I'm not saying I'm totally jacked on the idea, but if you could have Manning as a retiree for two seasons - and compete - would you do it? The guy still wants to play. I'm sure he'd have OB's playbook memorized in a couple of days.
The arm is quite what it used to be, but I disagree with the whole "noodle" thing. He just has to put a little more effort into his throws nowadays.
Don't be so quick to poo poo. Johnny Unitas was still playing at a high level in 1971, at the age of 38. John Elway won his last Superb Owl at 38. George Blanda had a remarkable season in 1970, leading the Raiders to a championship game at the age of 43 (he didn't retire until he was 48). Joe Montana was still in the playoffs at the age of 38. Dan Marino was still Dan Marino (arguably) at 38. Warren Moon was still pretty good at the age of 42 (he retired when he was 44).
I'm not saying I'm totally jacked on the idea, but if you could have Manning as a retiree for two seasons - and compete - would you do it? The guy still wants to play. I'm sure he'd have OB's playbook memorized in a couple of days.
The arm is quite what it used to be, but I disagree with the whole "noodle" thing. He just has to put a little more effort into his throws nowadays.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Listening to, and reading, the interviews, I agree, you certainly get the impression that something big might be in the cards. But I also think it all depends on OB and how well he can convince McNair and Smith to trust his decision.
Bulls on Parade
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That's an aggressive move for sure but I think we're better off waiting to see which quarterback falls into our lap at pick #22. It could be Connor Cook for all we know. That would be my ideal development but a lot can happen between now and draft day.
There are at least six or seven quarterbacks I really like in this draft. A handful of them I give first-round grades to. It's not like all of them will be gone when we come up to pick. Depending on the Texans draft board we'll be in a prime position to draft a good quarterback with the 22nd pick.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I see this as the classic Houston Texans "Lose-Lose" scenario.
IF the Texans sit tight at 22 and wait to see who will fall to them then they will no doubt get someone. Then it would turn out that 2016 was a terrible year for QB's and that at the most one, maybe two pan out.
However.....
IF Bob McNair and his collection of "Stooges*" decide that a bold move must be made into the upper reaches of the first round then they will bundle all of our picks (practically) and be fleeced by someone (probably someone in our division) and we'll discover years later that 2016 was the deepest QB draft on record and Pro Bowl QB's will be available into the 3rd round.
Seriously. You will literally be able to count the number of quality starters available by counting tree rings or studying ice core samples from Greenland. Bob, "Curly, and Larry" will of course manage to find the one guy who just can't cut it because when you're the Owner, GM, and HC of the Houston Texans "That's what you do".
badboy
Hall of Fame
If only you are correct and I am wrong.
Using the "Rick Smith" factor I'm thinking we'll trade next year's pick & whatever else it takes to trade up into the top 5 & take Jeff Driskel.
What are your thoughts on the list of Cook's negatives?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Hackenberg will be a TExan next year at all costs and this team will regress because of it, only to nosedive and start from square one again.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Eh im not as negative on Hackenberg as a lot of you are. If we do draft him i dont see him starting year one at least
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think Goff and Lynch will be long gone early. If we want Wentz we'll have to cash in another pick to move up. Otherwise, a team will leap frog us.
Yeah , I think Goff & Lynch go pretty early .... top 8ish and that leaves only Wendt as a top tier prospect. To be honest , I think he might be the best of the three ....
#2 Cleveland - I think they almost have to take a QB , probably Goff.
#4 Dallas - Do they take Romo's replacement or go with another position. I doubt they go QB but its a real possibility.
#7 SF - Is a wildcard with the new coach .... Does he try to fix Kaepernick or get his own guy ?! No freaking clue.
#11 Chicago - Strong possibility they go QB , think it depends upon how they rank them and who's left. Cutler is meh.
#13 Philly - They need a QB.
#15 Stl ... errr LA ? - They need a QB , unless you think they go with Keenum .... lol.
#20 NYJ - They have Fitzy but .... they need a QB.
#22 Houston - Has to fix the QB spot. No two ways about it.
7 teams in front of the Texans .... 4 good prospects in Goff , Lynch , Wendt & Cook. I think they have to make a move to get their guy .... whichever it is , they cant wait around and see them all snatched up again.
About the only other option is Glennon from TB .... Probably wins you more games early but I don't see the long term potential and would they even trade him ?
Ginger power
Is that based on Chip sticking with Kaep?
Fair enough.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
You're absolutely right. And the team that will leapfrog us is the Colts. If we trade up, they'll trade up to the position right ahead of us and take the QB we wanted just because they fear us if we get a top QB. Then they'll trade that QB they don't need to somebody outside the division.
Our only shot? Give the Titans our 2nd and next year's 1st in exchange for switching 1st round picks this year. Then we can't be preempted. I like Wentz too.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I don't think you thought this through all that well. Nobody trades up to 10 until pick #9 is made. If we trade up, no one is jumping ahead of us.
I cant see them keeping Kaepernick and drafting a QB .... if they keep him they have to surround him with the best talent possible to succeed ...
Drafting a first round quarterback sure isn't helping Kaepernick succeed ....
This is a one or the other situation for SF , if they draft a QB that early they obviously don't believe they have the right guy , they may as well dump him & that contract
Speaking of not thinking through all that well, the idea of the Colts trading away their own assets just to take away the QB they think we want on the hope that they can trade him later for anything all the while neglecting they're own team needs is not only laughable but outright lunacy.
It's as absurd an idea as thinking trading our 1st, 2nd and next year's 1st will get us the first pick in the draft.
Just ....
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I have no clue what their depth at qb looks like and it's not a stretch to think chippy might want to draft another guy just in case kaep doesn't pan out. Wouldn't surprise me if they did it with a 3rd round pick. The #7 overall? No way in hell anyone reasonable would consider it.
(That begs the question is chip reasonable?)
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Well, those Colts did it last year to deprive us of Phillip Dorsett when they didn't need a wide receiver. They know who we want because they have a spy in our organization.
Maybe you just don't understand what lunacy is.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I didn't think it through very well. I was thinking Nashville had the #1 pick again. We should trade up for overall #1.
You have no idea we were dead set on Dorsett and you have no idea the Colts could have known that.
This is why sports radio hardly takes phone calls anymore, and thank goodness. 'That' guy.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Well, the Colts typically overdraft WR when they don't need to. And considering we passed on Dorsett at #16 last year, I doubt we wanted him too bad. So far, it's actually looking like we had a solid first two rounds last year in K.Jo & McKinney. Doubt the Texans are regretting Dorsett too much, especially with Strong coming on late in the year.
WolverineFan
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And we should be thanking them for it. Dorsett was an extremely overrated prospect who went from 3rd round pick to fringe 1st round pick because of a forty yard dash. The fact that Grigson is the one who traded up and pulled the 1st round trigger on him only confirms that.
We need to get a spy into the Indy organization and any player that Grigson has on his board should immediately come off of ours.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Honestly this just isn't that great a draft for offensive skill players. I have 1 RB and 2 WR's with 1st round grade. That's it.
Sure it will .... but Damnit , this teams biggest hole is at the QB spot and has been for 3+ seasons. At least one of those years this was a Superbowl team minus a Quarterback when Schaub went down.
And as WolverineFan points out above , this isn't a very good draft for offensive skill positions and I have to agree.
There is One 1st round talent RB , Two WR's & One TE and the 3-4 QB's expected to go in the first ....
I give only Goff and Wendt first round grades (assuming Wendt's health). Don't believe in Lynch or Cook.
I see a bunch of pass rushers , corners and offensive tackles going in round 1 ....
There are Eight teams who to some degree have a need at the QB spot .... with the Texans having the last pick among those eight.
Bulls on Parade
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They would have to trade up from 22 to land him in the teen range. Connor Cook, who's draft stock continues to fall, has the best chance to fall into our laps if we stay at 22.
Do you not think, maybe, that his draft stock is falling for good reason?
Norg
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that was kinda my point how about we take that NO1 rated Running back from ohio and then that QB jones in like the 3rd or 4th we would def be a power running team then and heck our QB could run for those hard 3 yards cus he would be built like a RB :P
Bulls on Parade
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I don't mind at all. I'm glad we'll be in position to draft him picking where we are. I remember in September and early October when the Texans were 1-4 and playing bad football, some mocks at that time, had the Texans drafting Connor Cook as high as the third overall pick. Even then a few on here were disgusted by that possibility. They wanted Goff, Lynch or Wentz instead.
As time went on Cook started to slip on most mock draft boards to the middle and now late first round. Some people even think he's going to fall into the second or third round now given his shoulder injuries and poor performance against Alabama a few weeks ago.
Either way, Cook is a realistic possibility for us at 22.
Goff, Lynch and Wentz will be long gone unless we trade up.
I think Connor Cook is too good not to pull the trigger on late in the first round for any playoff team that is lacking a good franchise quarterback which clearly the Texans are.
But for me, like I said in other threads. I'd clean house and bring in three new quarterbacks. So let's say we draft Connor Cook at 22, I'd still draft another quarterback in the fifth or sixth-round. And I would also sign a free agent quarterback like Robert Griffin III or Johnny Manziel. It looks like Coin Kaepernick is staying put in San Francisco with Chip Kelly there now.
Bulls on Parade
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True but it's a strong draft for quarterbacks.
Looks like four or five will go in round one.
And we just happen to have the #22 overall pick.
All of that didn't really answer my question.