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What to do in 1st round?

Out of position for top 3 QB's, what should be 1st round strategy now?

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ObsiWan said:
1. I already said one of my fave QBs, Steve McNair, is from a tiny school so I'm totally in agreement with the "if the dude can play, he can play" school of thought. My question is: which QB in the upcoming draft is a real 'baller'?? I care less about how tall a dude is compared to the amount of "I'm going to cut your heart out" a dude has (see Roger Staubach or Joe Montana).
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I think we're on the same page. If you like another player better than the QBs that will be available, I'm ok with that. However, if you're saying we don't have a run game/defense to support a good young QB... that's where I have issue.

My position on this draft, if there isn't a QB in this draft that you're willing to trade up to get, then don't take one. Not in the first.

I'm not saying you have to trade up to get him. If he falls to you that's fine. But if you're not willing to trade up to get him, then you probably don't feel he's a franchise QB.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Hmmm...yeah, well, moderately so, right? Far better than what we've got for sure. I wanted Bridgewater on our team. No doubt. Having only played two season, yeah, he's been successful so far.
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Yep, I was on the Bridgewater train at 1.1. myself until he had an awful Pro-day. After that, reality set in that we weren't drafting him 1st overall.
 
JCTexan said:
:spit: Wait, are you serious?
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Yes. Sadly, I think Johnny Manziel could have played better in that playoff game against the Chiefs. He'd be an upgrade over Brian Hoyer but I think O'Brien would be afraid of his off-the-field drama. We got rid of Ryan Mallett for acting like an immature clown and not a professional so it's probably not going to happen.

If Kaapernick, Griffin III and Manziel are released and become available I'd rather have Keap instead of the other two, as I think he's still young enough to coach up into something special like Harbaugh had done to the tune of a Super Bowl appearance and a pair of NFC Title games.

But the fact is Brian Hoyer is so bad that any option seems like an upgrade. Whether it's in free agency or the draft.
 
Michael Smith on His & Hers on ESPN 2 right now.
He's talking about Robert Griffin III's interest in Dallas.

He saying to forget the Cowboys, go sign with the Texans.
That makes sense. He'd be Romo's backup. He could maybe start here. LOL

But I'm open to all ideas and options. As long as Brian Hoyer is gone!!!!!!

They showed Arnold's message to J.J. Watt and the Texans after the 30-0 loss to the Chiefs. I'm going to watch that all off-season to fuel my expectations for the 2016 season.

 
infantrycak said:
Lol - he said Kaepernick.
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Kaepernick has proved he can win with the right team around Him. He is without a doubt an upgrade over Hoyer. Add some quality depth on our OL, a good TE and a speedy/quick slot wr with good hands and this team is on Par with the SF team that Kap nearly won a super bowl with.

You can laugh all you want but he was really good under Harbaugh. It wasn't until Harbaugh left that he began to have issues. With the right coaching and team he can be just as good as Russell Wilson.
 
mussop said:
Kaepernick has proved he can win with the right team around Him. He is without a doubt an upgrade over Hoyer. Add some quality depth on our OL, a good TE and a speedy/quick slot wr with good hands and this team is on Par with the SF team that Kap nearly won a super bowl with.

You can laugh all you want but he was really good under Harbaugh. It wasn't until Harbaugh left that he began to have issues. With the right coaching and team he can be just as good as Russell Wilson.
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Are you factoring in above the neck?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Are you factoring in above the neck?
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CK did score a 38 on the Wonderlic. Take that as you will. It can kinda sorta a barometer, but not really.

I think a change of location would do the dude a world of good. Perhaps not here, but I'm not completely down on the notion. It would seem to me that CK and OB would get on just fine.
 
EVOLVIST said:
CK did score a 38 on the Wonderlic. Take that as you will. It can kinda sorta a barometer, but not really.

I think a change of location would do the dude a world of good. Perhaps not here, but I'm not completely down on the notion. It would seem to me that CK and OB would get on just fine.
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Ok, let me clarify ... above the neck in the game of football at the quarterback position.

To which I think Kaep is one giant void.
 
bah007 said:
It's sad to think about but how much worse an option than Hoyer would McGloin really have been?

I'm not going to pretend I was banging the table on this Glennon idea but I do think there is something there.

I'm not a big fan of taking two QBs. If you're taking two, then that means you probably shouldn't have taken the first. And that's exactly where Washington ended up.
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And if Washington hadn't taken 2 they would be in the same boat as us.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ok, let me clarify ... above the neck in the game of football at the quarterback position.

To which I think Kaep is one giant void.
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Maybe I've got the same void. I'm not sure what you're saying. Is he psychologically damaged? Does he have his mind on the poonanny too much? Did he all of a sudden forget how to QB?
 
Remember how good Carson Palmer was coming straight out of USC?

Then he got hurt... kinda regressed.

Went to Oakland... further evidence of that regressions.

Went to Arizona... & he's reborn.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Maybe I've got the same void. I'm not sure what you're saying. Is he psychologically damaged? Does he have his mind on the poonanny too much? Did he all of a sudden forget how to QB?
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you trying to equate the wonderlic to playing football?
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you trying to equate the wonderlic to playing football?
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No. I think our wires are getting crossed somewhere. Haha. Are you saying that CK is just dumb when it comes to football knowledge and/or the QB position, or just dumb all the way around?
 
EVOLVIST said:
No. I think our wires are getting crossed somewhere. Haha. Are you saying that CK is just dumb when it comes to football knowledge and/or the QB position, or just dumb all the way around?
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Behind the eightball when it comes to football concepts and the QB position. He's shown nothing to prove otherwise up till now.
 
mussop said:
And if Washington hadn't taken 2 they would be in the same boat as us.
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They drafted two because they knew they shouldn't be drafting the first one.

That's my point. If they pass on Griffin and just take Cousins they are probably much better off right now.
 
mussop said:
You can laugh all you want but he was really good under Harbaugh. It wasn't until Harbaugh left that he began to have issues. With the right coaching and team he can be just as good as Russell Wilson.
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Harbaugh was a top 5 NFL coach and he isn't walking through that door any time soon so that kind of puts a cap on the ceiling already. Who is the 'right coaching'? Andy Reid and Bruce Arians are really the only 2 guys I put on Harbaugh's level as far as working magic with QB's. We aren't getting either of them so who is the right coaching that will turn him into a stud?
 
See I think the opposite. I think BOB knows he has to hit on a QB, and Hack hasn't shown much the past 2 yrs.
 
DX-TEX said:
Because "connection!1!1!" right?
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IDK because I've no idea what "connection!1!1! is. If that means familiarity, then right. O'Brien was equally if not more familiar with Hoyer and Mallett. Just sayin.....a pattern of behavior has been established here.

(FYI - I quit reading Texans Chick when she quit talking football/Texans and went Pit Bull attack dog crucifixion on the Commish. The constant hostile prosecuting attorney was a bit much for me, that's not why I was reading.)
 
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WolverineFan said:
Harbaugh was a top 5 NFL coach and he isn't walking through that door any time soon so that kind of puts a cap on the ceiling already. Who is the 'right coaching'? Andy Reid and Bruce Arians are really the only 2 guys I put on Harbaugh's level as far as working magic with QB's. We aren't getting either of them so who is the right coaching that will turn him into a stud?
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What about Bill Belichick? Tom Brady was once a sixth-round pick nobody thought would be any good. He may be on the verge of appearing in seven Super Bowls and winning five Super Bowl championships in three more weeks. To go along with his 12 division titles, 2 league MVPs, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, 11 pro bowls, 2 first team All Pros, etc... etc...

He also coached up Matt Cassel into a 10-6 quarterback that one year Brady tore his ACL. But still impressive what he's worked with and had success with over the years.

In fact, everybody bags on the Cleveland Browns for being horrible and not having a good quarterback for numerous years. I believe the last time the Browns won a playoff game their head coach was guess who? Bill Belichick. He worked a little magic there too.

No disrespect to Andy Reid but he's worked with the likes of Donovan McNabb and now Alex Smith. Both quarterbacks were selected very high in their draft and were highly touted. Wasn't Alex Smith a first overall pick as well? McNabb was a second overall pick in his draft. And heh, Bruce Arians has Carson Palmer who was also a first overall pick in his draft class?

To be honest, I'd say Bill Belichik is on a level of his own with what he's done. Sadly, I think we give Bill O'Brien too much credit for his brief time working with the Patriots. He did a fine job at Penn State under some tough circumstances but I guess a lot of us praise him as a quarterbacks guru a little too prematurely.

Bill O'Brien has to show me he can coach up a young quarterback into something special. Until then he doesn't deserve to be called a quarterbacks guru of any kind. He's done well his first two seasons in the NFL as a head coach because of J.J. Watt and our defense. But there's a reason why Ryan Fitzpatrick has never played in a playoff game or why Brian Hoyer just lost a playoff game 30-0 with too many turnovers to count. Four, five, or was it six? I lost track!
 
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JB said:
Bill Belicheck is a defensive coach that is smart enough to hire good assistants. He has never been a QB coach
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He deserves credit. It was his decision to keep Tom Brady on their roster during his first few training camps in 2000 and 2001 if I recall (as stated in the Brady documentary), after being a sixth-round pick. They nearly cut him a couple different times before he became one of the best quarterbacks of our generation. He saw something in Brady and kept him on the roster.

The head coach usually has the final say on roster spots and the most important is always the quarterback position. Sure, he hired a lot of great assistants. And most of them usually failed as a head coach on other teams.

Bill O'Brien, to be fair, has had success in his first two seasons as head coach despite not having a good quarterback. Hopefully that will change this off-season. I expect the Texans to draft a quarterback in the first round, as well as signing a veteran. I don't expect Hoyer or Yates back next season. I would part ways with Tom Savage as well. He's never healthy enough to properly evaluate. We could, in theory, bring in three new quarterbacks this off-season.

I don't think Andy Reid or Bruce Arians are as great as they appear to be. Sure, I'd give them credit for being where they are. Both are solid head coaches. I would even call Andy Reid the greatest head coach in NFL History who has never won a Super Bowl before. He's like the Jerry Sloan or Rick Adelman of the NFL (for those hardcore NBA fans like me).

I want to see how good they'd be if they had Brian Hoyer at quarterback. Not former first or second overall picks who were highly touted entering their respective draft class. I doubt Reid or Arians would sniff the playoffs starting four different quarterbacks this season. Especially one as bad as Hoyer.

To be fair, I guess Bill O'Brien is the only head coach not smart enough to realize Brian Hoyer isn't a starting quarterback! So oh well. LOL, I guess it's all a moot point. But what I mean is that the head coach, if he's good, will target a capable quarterback and put them in position to succeed. Whether it's his own brilliance or he hires the right people to his coaching staff.

Win you win Super Bowl rings you deserve all the credit in the world. The components of how it happened shouldn't matter. That's what ruined the Dallas Cowboys way back in the day. Everybody in charge wanted the full credit for that success. Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson couldn't co-exist.

Bob McNair isn't an idiot. At least I hope not. After all of these years you'd think he'd have enough of this quarterback shuffle. We've been starting way too many mediocre quarterbacks in recent years!!!!! Worse than the Browns to be honest!!!!!!

If the Browns had J.J. Watt and we didn't, we'd flip places record wise...
 
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Texian said:
IDK because I've no idea what "connection!1!1! is. If that means familiarity, then right. O'Brien was equally if not more familiar with Hoyer and Mallett. Just sayin.....a pattern of behavior has been established here.

(FYI - I quit reading Texans Chick when she quit talking football/Texans and went Pit Bull attack dog crucifixion on the Commish. The constant hostile prosecuting attorney was a bit much for me, that's not why I was reading.)
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That we can agree on. Just recently started following her again because I got sick and tired of all the legalese talk about that deflate nonsense. Now she is adored by Pats fans.
 
bah007 said:
It's sad to think about but how much worse an option than Hoyer would McGloin really have been?

I'm not going to pretend I was banging the table on this Glennon idea but I do think there is something there.

I'm not a big fan of taking two QBs. If you're taking two, then that means you probably shouldn't have taken the first. And that's exactly where Washington ended up.
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And if Washington hadn't taken 2 they would be in the same boat as us.
bah007 said:
They drafted two because they knew they shouldn't be drafting the first one.

That's my point. If they pass on Griffin and just take Cousins they are probably much better off right now.
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Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? they drafted rg3 after trading all those pics for him and immediately realized that he was a bad pic so they drafted another quarterback in the fourth round? come on.
 
Reading scouting reports on a college player is like reading a horoscope. It's meaningless, mildly amusing but somewhat entertaining. For clarity, this is the 1st, and only, scouting report I've read for 2016 QB prospects.
Carson Wentz scouting report

"STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame. Good arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity. Tight release, especially for a player with his long arms. Shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork.



Functional athleticism and coordination in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays. Has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions. Shows the ability to recognize defensive coverage's and change the play at the line ? reliable field vision pre and post snap.



Very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills. Physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits. Great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured. Set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior. Consistent winner with a 19-3 career record as a starter.



WEAKNESSES: Locks onto reads and needs to develop his eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders. Needs to improve his passing anticipation and feel for timing routes. Downfield accuracy is inconsistent, often leading receivers too far.



Bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into tight coverage. Needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away (10 fumbles the last two years). On the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance.



Lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition ? 21 of 22 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at Iowa State: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns). Missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015)."

This entire "scouting report" is nothing more than double talk and covering the "scout's" ass. I haven't seen one single play by this guy and I don't think the guy writing this has seen very many more. I will be watching some film on this guy, though. He just might be the "best" QB prospect to fall to the Texans at 22.
 
DX-TEX said:
That we can agree on. Just recently started following her again because I got sick and tired of all the legalese talk about that deflate nonsense. Now she is adored by Pats fans.
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Sadly, I have to cheer for the Patriots the rest of the way. I hope Tom Brady wins his fifth Super Bowl ring. I feel like a dirty Texans fan admitting that though. In some ways we're like their junior varsity team, with many of their past coaching staff members or players so it's okay.

The Patriots are where we want to be one day but we can't compete with the big boys on the varsity teams. Connor Barwin once thought we could be on that level and the team wore those letterman jackets when he used to play here. Ever since then I knew it would always be "just a dream" for the Houston Texans to ever be on that Super Bowl caliber level.

The funny thing is it's not impossible. All we need is a good quarterback. Easier said than done for certain franchises. The Texans and Browns are in the same sad boat. The only difference is we have J.J. Watt and they don't. We also play in a watered down division and they don't. They play with several big boys like the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals. Two of which have three Super Bowl rings amongst their quarterbacks (Big Ben and Flacco). Which by the way, were still on the board when the Texans came up to pick in their draft classes. We took Dunta Robinson and traded down for Duane Brown instead (not bad but a franchise quarterback is the most important). The worst mistake was when we selected Travis Johnson instead of Aaron Rodgers but I'm over all of that.

The Texans and elite quarterback aren't meant to be in the same sentence!!!!

2002, 2016, 20??. Different year, same song. Time goes by, the Texans don't like to swing for the fences when it comes to a potential stud at quarterback. And when we did take a big swing #1 overall on David Carr it sucked because we were a horrible expansion team with the worst offensive line in NFL History with limited playmakers, especially that first year. Carr was alredy bruised and battered getting sacked 76 times and hit over 300 times.

Bob McNair should apologize to the Texans fan base for the way it's been run. We're lucky we made the playoffs (our divison was awful) but losing 30-0 at our house!!!! Unacceptable!!!!!!! Having Brian Hoyer stay in that game the way he was playing? It's pathetic beyond words.
 
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If Lynch, Goff or Wentz is there at #22, take him even if he has to sit a year. Draft a RB to alternate with Foster (even Savage can hand off) so you can at least give our defense some rest. Draft OT to strengthen line even if he is a back up Clark may be the swing but depth is mandatory.

Wentz, Collins and Drango or Haeg.
 
DX-TEX said:
That we can agree on. Just recently started following her again because I got sick and tired of all the legalese talk about that deflate nonsense. Now she is adored by Pats fans.
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Is it safe to go back in the water? It got so bad I unfollowed her on twitter and took her off my timeline. When she sticks to analysis and football discussion she can be really good and very informative.
 
I think we may want to look RB first round if there is a deserving pick on the board. No QB's in this draft just scream out pick me at 22. The best will be gone by then.
 
Everyone (excluding OB maybe) knows we need a qb. We'll be the target every qb hungry team tries to leapfrog in the draft. I fear getting who we want will cost #22 and a 3rd or 4th rounder minimum.
 
mussop said:
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? they drafted rg3 after trading all those pics for him and immediately realized that he was a bad pic so they drafted another quarterback in the fourth round? come on.
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The owner went above everyone's heads to acquire Griffin so that he could market him as the face of the franchise. Shanahan was on record saying he was against giving up picks for RG3 and preferred Cousins anyway. It was 100% Snyder's decision to draft Griffin. Shanahan then drafted Cousins because he thought he would be the superior player over the long run.

This is what happens when the owner meddles in football decisions. It dilutes the plan/vision of the franchise and you get opposing factions fighting over personnel decisions (which is exactly what happened in Washington).
 
LifeTexanFan said:
I thought we should have drafted AJ McC when we had the chance.
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Remember McCarron sat out his entire rookie season with an injury to his throwing shoulder. An injury I believe he played through so as not to hurt his draft stock, but I think every body knew.
 
Even if they drafted God to play QB it wouldn't be enough without beefing up other positions. I think TE is the next most pressing need. They would be better off lining up 10 men without a TE the way it stands now.
 
I'm a Connor Cook fan myself. Even though his draft stock has seemingly taken a big hit with some injuries (shoulder) and a bad performance to end his collegiate career (38-0 loss to Alabama). And then his refusal to attend the Senior Bowl rubbed a lot of his critics and some pro scouts and evaluators the wrong way as well.

But in terms of his overall body of work I think he's something special if he can develop. Where he lands in the NFL and his coaching is going to be very important. But the kid can flat out play and I enjoyed watching him play at Michigan State this past season.

My only concern with Cook would be how he thrived playing mostly in a shotgun formation at MSU. Obviously if he slipped to the Texans with the 22nd pick in round one (as I believe he's the most likely to fall out of all the top-rated QBs in this 2016 draft class), how successful could Bill O'Brien work with him and his transition playing directly behind center?

He has all the intangibles, the winning traits that you want.
Strong arm, toughness, athleticism, just a great kid.

The 2015 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award winner.


I just feel there's a lot there that you can work with to develop an NFL franchise quarterback. The fact his draft stock is falling is good for us because he may drop right into our laps at pick #22. A few months ago he was viewed as a lock for a top 10 pick. I think it's a stretch to think he'll fall to us at the end of round two though.
 
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