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What to do in 1st round?

Out of position for top 3 QB's, what should be 1st round strategy now?

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badboy said:
As Docston my guy in mock forum, I'm curious as to what WR you would draft after round one? Shepherd is only one I'd want but not in second.
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I don't really see the need for a WR with a high pick. Obviously, in the right scenario I would love to add Doctson to our team. He's incredible. But I actually like what we have at WR right now.

I'd be okay with Will Fuller in the 2nd but doubt he falls that far.

I really like Shepard, Rashard Higgins (not sure if he'll declare), and Aaron Burbridge.

I also like Leonte Caroo but he would have to be vetted big time through interviews. He has a very troubled history.

In the late rounds I like Malcolm Mitchell and Kolby Listenbee. I think both could be situational contributors.
 
Corrosion said:
Man ... Elliott , Coleman , Doctson , Henry or Wentz .... that's a damn tough choice. I really think you could get two of them.


I would probably pass on Wentz and take Elliott (says the guy who's been b!tching about a QB for 3 years). You can hand that guy the ball and expect positive yardage when everyone in the building knows he's running the ball then try to trade back up and nab Wentz.
But I don't think Elliott makes it to the Texans spot .... If that's the case I take Coleman then trade up to target Wentz as in the Elliott scenario. I think Coleman might be able to make an impact on ST as well as offense which is why I take him over Doctson but that's a tough choice as he's a lot like Hopkins in that he can catch everything ...
That is of course assuming Wentz is cleared medically , otherwise I have to rethink the entire draft and strongly consider a move up to get Lynch.
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Elliot- Just a tad over rated. Still a very good back but so many of his runs he goes untouched for the first 5 or 6 yards.

I love Coleman. Doctson is very impressive but for this team I'm thinking Strong owns that outside WR spot next year. What we really need is a slot guy that plays special teams. Coleman is a perfect fit.
 
Corrosion said:
Man ... Elliott , Coleman , Doctson , Henry or Wentz .... that's a damn tough choice. I really think you could get two of them.


I would probably pass on Wentz and take Elliott (says the guy who's been b!tching about a QB for 3 years). You can hand that guy the ball and expect positive yardage when everyone in the building knows he's running the ball then try to trade back up and nab Wentz.
But I don't think Elliott makes it to the Texans spot .... If that's the case I take Coleman then trade up to target Wentz as in the Elliott scenario. I think Coleman might be able to make an impact on ST as well as offense which is why I take him over Doctson but that's a tough choice as he's a lot like Hopkins in that he can catch everything ...
That is of course assuming Wentz is cleared medically , otherwise I have to rethink the entire draft and strongly consider a move up to get Lynch.
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Elliot- Just a tad over rated. Still a very good back but so many of his runs he goes untouched for the first 5 or 6 yards.

I love Coleman. Doctson is very impressive but for this team I'm thinking Strong owns that outside WR spot next year. What we really need is a slot guy that plays special teams. Coleman is a perfect fit.
 
JB said:
SteelB you said


but then you said


You can't have it both ways... look, if I thought there was a for sure can't miss franchise QB in this draft (such as Luck) then I'm all for doing what it takes to snag him. But if all you have is a bunch of "good Schaub" types, then you snag the guy that you think is a stand out one of a kind guy and get the best while you can. I think Elliot will be special... not sure that Wentz or Cook is any more special than a bunch of other guys
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Sooner or later BOB will have to take a chance on a QB.

The 2017 RB class consists of Fournette/Cook/McCafferey/Hurd/Chubb are better than Elliott. IMHO That is why I wouldn't pass on a guy I thought could be a franchise QB and take a chance on a late rd RB like Marshall/Washington's and wait until next yr to get a top notch RB. BTW, the guys I've listed as late rd picks are very talented. They've had injury issues. D'Wayne Washington = David Johnson who I wanted the Texans t draft last yr. De'Andre Washington reminds me of Vereen and Marshall is a difference maker that would've been on the level of Elliot had he not blown out his knee, He was pushing Gurley for playing time before the knee injury.

During his Bowl game they used Marshall over Michel to run the clock out. I would rather draft a WR/OT, Coleman's in the early 2nd after trading up and not losing the chance a a decade of top 10 QB play which is something this franchise has never seen.
 
EVOLVIST said:
No sh!t, right? The dude just locked up his 3rd DPOY, as well as locking up the sack title this year. We wouldn't be where we are without JJ Watt.
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I question the motivation of those who question Watt's dominance on the defensive side of the ball. They exist, but their reasoning is suspect. They usually have an agenda like Smith who sees everything through a distorted filter.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sooner or later BOB will have to take a chance on a QB.

The 2017 RB class consists of Fournette/Cook/McCafferey/Hurd/Chubb are better than Elliott. IMHO That is why I wouldn't pass on a guy I thought could be a franchise QB and take a chance on a late rd RB like Marshall/Washington's and wait until next yr to get a top notch RB. BTW, the guys I've listed as late rd picks are very talented. They've had injury issues. D'Wayne Washington = David Johnson who I wanted the Texans t draft last yr. De'Andre Washington reminds me of Vereen and Marshall is a difference maker that would've been on the level of Elliot had he not blown out his knee, He was pushing Gurley for playing time before the knee injury.

During his Bowl game they used Marshall over Michel to run the clock out. I would rather draft a WR/OT, Coleman's in the early 2nd after trading up and not losing the chance a a decade of top 10 QB play which is something this franchise has never seen.
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Point is that I don't think there is a franchise QB in this draft other than maybe Goff. Also we hear every year about how great next years draft is going to be at one position or another, then at draft time it's not all it was cracked up to be. Hindsight then comes into play and it's we should have taken that guy last year or two years ago. We can disagree about the value of players (I think Elliot is going to be special) but I was pointing out your inconsistency in saying we can wait till next year but you have to get "your guy" this year because it always blows up in your face when you wait. It all hinges on if you (Bob rather) thinks one of the available QBs' is a can't miss once in a decade top 10 QB. I don't think there is
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm blown away that Fuller hasn't gotten more attention.
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He's one-dimensional and has a very high drop rate. His game is reminiscent of Desean Jackson. It is curious that he isn't getting as much hype as Devin Smith got last year. Similar players but Fuller is a more finished product.
 
WolverineFan said:
He's one-dimensional and has a very high drop rate. His game is reminiscent of Desean Jackson. It is curious that he isn't getting as much hype as Devin Smith got last year. Similar players but Fuller is a more finished product.
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Exactly, this time last year I had heard people mention Smith repeatedly as the 'take the top off' candidate, and now next to nothing this year for a guy who could be better.
 
JB said:
Point is that I don't think there is a franchise QB in this draft other than maybe Goff. Also we hear every year about how great next years draft is going to be at one position or another, then at draft time it's not all it was cracked up to be. Hindsight then comes into play and it's we should have taken that guy last year or two years ago. We can disagree about the value of players (I think Elliot is going to be special) but I was pointing out your inconsistency in saying we can wait till next year but you have to get "your guy" this year because it always blows up in your face when you wait. It all hinges on if you (Bob rather) thinks one of the available QBs' is a can't miss once in a decade top 10 QB. I don't think there is
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Right now, I think the choice is between that franchise choice, if available and Savage plus two years into the program. If a QB falls between those two, I suspect we pass for better players at another position.

But falling back into the Eyor mindset, since a division rival (Tennessee) has the first pick, they'll probably be offered the World for their 1-1 after we received eh offers (I think).
 
JB said:
Point is that I don't think there is a franchise QB in this draft other than maybe Goff. Also we hear every year about how great next years draft is going to be at one position or another, then at draft time it's not all it was cracked up to be. Hindsight then comes into play and it's we should have taken that guy last year or two years ago. We can disagree about the value of players (I think Elliot is going to be special) but I was pointing out your inconsistency in saying we can wait till next year but you have to get "your guy" this year because it always blows up in your face when you wait. It all hinges on if you (Bob rather) thinks one of the available QBs' is a can't miss once in a decade top 10 QB. I don't think there is
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Agree to disagree, I dont know about a franchise QB but at some point you've got to take your shot at QB, be it Wentz/Coker/Cook/Hack etc...

One thing I do know is the 2017 RB class is loaded and Elliott would rank 4th on my list because he's missing the long speed that Fournette/Cook/McCafferey have. He would rank 5th if Chubb is healthy. In fact a healthy Marshall is every bit the RB Elliott is. Marshall was a stud before a ACL injury 2 yrs ago, after his bowl game it he has gotten his speed back.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agree to disagree, I dont know about a franchise QB but at some point you've got to take your shot at QB, be it Wentz/Coker/Cook/Hack etc...

One thing I do know is the 2017 RB class is loaded and Elliott would rank 4th on my list because he's missing the long speed that Fournette/Cook/McCafferey have. He would rank 5th if Chubb is healthy. In fact a healthy Marshall is every bit the RB Elliott is. Marshall was a stud before a ACL injury 2 yrs ago, after his bowl game it he has gotten his speed back.
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I think Alabama would disagree that Elliott lacks long speed.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agree to disagree, I dont know about a franchise QB but at some point you've got to take your shot at QB, be it Wentz/Coker/Cook/Hack etc...

One thing I do know is the 2017 RB class is loaded and Elliott would rank 4th on my list because he's missing the long speed that Fournette/Cook/McCafferey have. He would rank 5th if Chubb is healthy. In fact a healthy Marshall is every bit the RB Elliott is. Marshall was a stud before a ACL injury 2 yrs ago, after his bowl game it he has gotten his speed back.
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Listen to yourself. You're saying we should take Hackenberg or Coker in the first over Elliot because next year is the year of the RB? C'mon dude, I know you don't believe that
 
steelbtexan said:
Agree to disagree, I dont know about a franchise QB but at some point you've got to take your shot at QB, be it Wentz/Coker/Cook/Hack etc...

One thing I do know is the 2017 RB class is loaded and Elliott would rank 4th on my list because he's missing the long speed that Fournette/Cook/McCafferey have. He would rank 5th if Chubb is healthy. In fact a healthy Marshall is every bit the RB Elliott is. Marshall was a stud before a ACL injury 2 yrs ago, after his bowl game it he has gotten his speed back.
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I would not turn down a stud like Elliott hoping for a RB in the draft after this one.
 
Well , if Hoyer's performance today didn't drive the point home ... I guess nothing will.

First round I gotta have one of Goff , Lynch or Wendt .... screw this not so - merry go round QB bullsh!t.
 
Corrosion said:
Well , if Hoyer's performance today didn't drive the point home ... I guess nothing will.

First round I gotta have one of Goff , Lynch or Wendt .... screw this not so - merry go round QB bullsh!t.
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What are you willing to pay for that gamble?
 
Should have traded the second for Payton. Then wait for Brees to go into free agency.
We could have probably gotten Drew on a home-state discount and also because of
the fact that we would have had his coach...

Payton and RAC would have wrecked shop. But I know our ownership never thinks
out of the box.

I'm done with Rick and BoB. They are two folks in over their heads, and no matter
how much we pray for improvement, it's just not in them..
 
EVOLVIST said:
Exactly what you're willing to pay in any draft for a gamble. It's all a gamble.
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The odds on that gamble change drastically with draft position. Are you in the "1'st two rounds" crowd?


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Man Hoyer sure didn't Make it easy for the FO and GM he def put more of a pressure for them to FIND a QB cus he sure did not do himself any favors
 
DocBar said:
What are you willing to pay for that gamble?
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A 1st round pick of course!

Was the gamble any greater when we picked Clowney? KJ? Watt? The point is you have to take that chance, otherwise your just stuck in neutral, or worse, in reverse! They really don't have much choice. Either pick Wentz (And I hope he's there.) or Hackenberg, or keep picking up the "hot garbage" that some other team is done with!
 
DocBar said:
What are you willing to pay for that gamble?
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Depends upon which of them you are talking about.

Goff , I'd give up quite a bit to move up for including this years & next years #1's ....

Lynch not as much as Goff .... but I'd give up this years 2nd & 4th? to swap firsts to move up and get him.

Wendt I think is available when the Texans select .... I'd burn the first rounder on him assuming I couldn't move up for the other 2.
 
DocBar said:
The odds on that gamble change drastically with draft position. Are you in the "1'st two rounds" crowd?


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Yeah, I'm at the point that I'd give up 2 1st's to move up and get my guy (whichever guy that is)... and I'd try to trade back into the 1st to get Elliot
 
Corrosion said:
Depends upon which of them you are talking about.

Goff , I'd give up quite a bit to move up for including this years & next years #1's ....

Lynch not as much as Goff .... but I'd give up this years 2nd & 4th? to swap firsts to move up and get him.

Wendt I think is available when the Texans select .... I'd burn the first rounder on him assuming I couldn't move up for the other 2.
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There isn't much to guess about. The Texans will be picking 20th in the draft. That's called mortgaging the future. A truly revolutionary coach might be able to coax the Redskins or Niners into a much more favorable deal. How do you feel about those scenarios?
 
I think you have to look at all the prospects and trust your board. Make the pick and know its all on me. We have to coach them better.









Was that a fair impression?
 
JB said:
Yeah, I'm at the point that I'd give up 2 1st's to move up and get my guy (whichever guy that is)... and I'd try to trade back into the 1st to get Elliot
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2 1st's from the 20th position? More like 3 and a 2nd.
 
JB said:
Yeah, I'm at the point that I'd give up 2 1st's to move up and get my guy (whichever guy that is)... and I'd try to trade back into the 1st to get Elliot
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I really don't think they have the ammunition to get both Elliott & make a move up for a QB.


I expect Elliott to go no later than 18.

Lynch I believe goes #7 to SF unless someone jumps them.

They can probably get Wendt @ 21 ....

How do you get both .... unless you are willing to mortgage future picks.
 
Need a qb a rb a te and another wr. You guys figure out the order.
 
Hervoyel said:
You know, I said (and still say) "Best Player Available" but I just can't quit thinking of what this team (even with its warts and Brian Hoyer at QB most of the time) would look like if we had vintage Arian Foster on the field or some current version of that guy.

A beast RB completely changes this teams game on offense. It's a crying shame we lost him so early and then lost him again.
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You mean like St. Louis?
 
JB said:
Listen to yourself. You're saying we should take Hackenberg or Coker in the first over Elliot because next year is the year of the RB? C'mon dude, I know you don't believe that
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I believe Coker is a franchise QB, You dont
 
steelbtexan said:
I believe Coker is a franchise QB, You dont
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tbh, being overseas I haven't seen any of them play this year, just going off reports I've read. I may change my mind after all the draft prep is done. If so then I'm all for it. Right now tho, I'm seeing Coker down around the 4th round
 
JB said:
Point is that I don't think there is a franchise QB in this draft other than maybe Goff. Also we hear every year about how great next years draft is going to be at one position or another, then at draft time it's not all it was cracked up to be. Hindsight then comes into play and it's we should have taken that guy last year or two years ago. We can disagree about the value of players (I think Elliot is going to be special) but I was pointing out your inconsistency in saying we can wait till next year but you have to get "your guy" this year because it always blows up in your face when you wait. It all hinges on if you (Bob rather) thinks one of the available QBs' is a can't miss once in a decade top 10 QB. I don't think there is
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Point is what did you think of Hoer today and How could almost any rookie QB do worse?
 
DX-TEX said:
Speed everywhere.

If it hasnt been obvious to anyone it should have been 10 seconds after that opening kick off today
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I've been saying this for 3 yrs, guys will make mistake but speed corrects akot of them. This org has never gotten this concept
 
With RB contracts likely to be low, I would like to pick up a FA and also draft one in the higher rounds. Hopefully, we see heavy offensive investment...and it actually hits.
 
steelbtexan said:
Point is what did you think of Hoer today and How could almost any rookie QB do worse?
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I don't want a QB that "won't do any worse than Brian freakin' Hoyer who destroys ya"

I want a QB that can be the next league superstar... or at least above average
 
JB said:
I don't want a QB that "won't do any worse than Brian freakin' Hoyer who destroys ya"

I want a QB that can be the next league superstar... or at least above average
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Coker is your guy then,

McCarron played well tonight and Coker is better than him. IMHO
 
Mollywhopper said:
What tree are you barking up exactly with this? And when have I said so much as once that we shouldn't get a QB?
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Maybe I have generalized, I think Coker should be the pick @ 22 but id BOB picks Hack I wont be pissed. This will change if Hoyer is the starting QB in week one of 2016
 
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steelbtexan said:
Maybe I have generalized, I think Coker should be the pick @ 22 but id BOB picks Hack I wont be pissed. This will change if Hoyer is the starting QB in week one of 2016
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Would you taker Coker over Cook or Wentz?
 
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