What Mallett brings as a (full-time) Starter

[bah007]

Bit but mallet throws harder than any qb in the history of the game. He shatters finger bones on every pass. Don't believe me just ask all the mallet haters.

LOL it's unreal how hard you're trying. There aren't Mallett "haters" unless you mean people who hate bad QB play.

There are people here with their eyes open, and there are people like you with their eyes closed.

There are guys who can hit 58 on the gun when they need to, but they can also hit 54 or 52 if the situation calls for it. Mallett hits 58 on everything. His arm doesn't have any other setting.

 

[Texecutioner]

Bit but mallet throws harder than any qb in the history of the game. He shatters finger bones on every pass. Don't believe me just ask all the mallet haters.

You actually think that Mallet is good enough to have "haters"?

I wish he was. Unfortunately I have no choice but to watch this train wreck with him involved. No one is hating on him. We actually feel bad for how badly he keeps failing. We want him to succeed. Your desperation is melting all over the place dude.

 

[Texecutioner]

LOL it's unreal how hard you're trying. There aren't Mallett "haters" unless you mean people who hate bad QB play.

There are people here with their eyes open, and there are people like you with their eyes closed.

There are guys who can hit 58 on the gun when they need to, but they can also hit 54 or 52 if the situation calls for it. Mallett hits 58 on everything. His arm doesn't have any other setting.

You'd think that people would stop digging at some point.

 

[Texecutioner]

I've never seen a receiver corps that needed to wear ice hockey goalie shin protection.
Most of mallets passes seem to hit between the knee and ankle and travel at about
70 mph.

Guy might make a hell of a closer if he can throw a baseball the same way..

Dude could probably throw a football faster than most closers throw a baseball. Lol!

The problem is that he doesn't understand that receivers actually have to catch those passes he continues to throw at warp speeds when they're 8 feet away from him.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Ummmm yeahhhh ... I'm gonna go ahead and say that throwing at peoples feet is a bit of a problem for me on top of the velocity/touch argument. Kind of hard to catch footballs that are going the speed limit ... with your feet. Maybe we need to trade for Gary Barnidge, he can do it.

 

[Corrosion]

LOL it's unreal how hard you're trying. There aren't Mallett "haters" unless you mean people who hate bad QB play.

There are people here with their eyes open, and there are people like you with their eyes closed.

I don't hate Mullet .... I love the way he plays .... for the rest of this season .... 1-15 here we come! # 1st pick in the draft so we can get a real QB prospect.


On second thought , can we get Schaub back .... he can throw a pick six like no one else!.

 

[sandman]

Coming back to this since I started the thread. Sadly, this offense runs better with Hoyer under center. Primary reason? Precision. Mallett was better in pre-snap, playing at tempo and quick releases. But as someone else noted, a Juggs machine on a swivel. Hoyer simply throws a more catchable ball. Granted he holds the ball too long and throws soft, and as expected we saw him choke in a big moment with that 4th quarter INT against Indy. But he looked downfield and showed a touch/precision that Mallett could not during his time on the field. And it's clear now based on the Indy game that even with naming Mallett the starter, OB was looking for that one thing to insert Hoyer back as his guy. Sadly again, he will play to his level of incompetence and get enough wins against other bad teams to screw us over in the draft.

Fare thee well, Ryan Mallett. Your time in Houston is done.

 

[thunderkyss]

Coming back to this since I started the thread. Sadly, this offense runs better with Hoyer under center. Primary reason? Precision.


Fare thee well, Ryan Mallett. Your time in Houston is done.

First, I'm fine with the fact that we may have seen the last of Ryan Mallett. It is what it is.

However, to say this offense ran better with Hoyer, I have to disagree. He came in the ass end of a butt whuppin where Atlanta actually pulled the majority of their starters & started putting points on the board, where Mallett came in & put points up against KC's 1st defense. Whether you want to believe KC was playing prevent or not... eh... but those two instances should be a wash.

Against Indy, Ryan Mallett drove the length of the field on the first possession.. . threw an INT at the end, but the offense was moving just fine.

I'll agree the offense looked different with Hoyer. But more because the routes looked better. Maybe the team wanted Hoyer. Maybe Hoyer called for better routes, in his signals to the WRs... I don't know, but "precision" had little to do with it. IMO of course.

 

[Mr teX]

First, I'm fine with the fact that we may have seen the last of Ryan Mallett. It is what it is.

However, to say this offense ran better with Hoyer, I have to disagree. He came in the ass end of a butt whuppin where Atlanta actually pulled the majority of their starters & started putting points on the board, where Mallett came in & put points up against KC's 1st defense. Whether you want to believe KC was playing prevent or not... eh... but those two instances should be a wash.

Against Indy, Ryan Mallett drove the length of the field on the first possession.. . threw an INT at the end, but the offense was moving just fine.

I'll agree the offense looked different with Hoyer. But more because the routes looked better. Maybe the team wanted Hoyer. Maybe Hoyer called for better routes, in his signals to the WRs... I don't know, but "precision" had little to do with it. IMO of course.

Wholeheartedly disagree with you here. The offense is night and day from Mallet to Hoyer. Hoyer throws it downfield much more than Mallet ever has in his time as a starter. Guys catch the ball in stride and are able to do a little something after the catch much more with Hoyer than they are with Mallet. Precision is EXACTLY what it is b/c It's the difference in placing the ball accurately on a guy in stride and in a normal catchable area vs. throwing it all over the place around the WR. Sure, it maybe be in the WR's catch radius, but catching a ball chest high 3-4 inches in front of you is much easier to do than catching a rocket 2-3 feet above your head or below your waist....behind you.

 

[sandman]

First, I'm fine with the fact that we may have seen the last of Ryan Mallett. It is what it is.

However, to say this offense ran better with Hoyer, I have to disagree. He came in the ass end of a butt whuppin where Atlanta actually pulled the majority of their starters & started putting points on the board, where Mallett came in & put points up against KC's 1st defense. Whether you want to believe KC was playing prevent or not... eh... but those two instances should be a wash.

Against Indy, Ryan Mallett drove the length of the field on the first possession.. . threw an INT at the end, but the offense was moving just fine.

I'll agree the offense looked different with Hoyer. But more because the routes looked better. Maybe the team wanted Hoyer. Maybe Hoyer called for better routes, in his signals to the WRs... I don't know, but "precision" had little to do with it. IMO of course.

I hate the fact that I even typed the statement that the offense ran better under Hoyer, if only because it means that your team really really sucks.

When I said precision, I wasn't meaning precision in executing the offense. In fact, I think Mallett has a much better command of this offense and anticipates where Hoyer reacts. What I meant was that Mallett couldn't consistently be precise with his passes. Behind, shoetops, etc. He didn't give them much opportunity to catch the ball and do anything with it. Everything turned into a possession reception. Catch the ball and hit the turf. Hop is #1 in the league in Targets/Yards/YPG/1st Downs and #2 in receptions, yet he has 60 Yards of YAC (1.5 YPC). He had 383 yards (5.0 YPC) last season. Of the 30 WR's that have at least 300 yards receiving, he is 26 of 30 in total YAC.

 

[infantrycak]

When I said precision, I wasn't meaning precision in executing the offense. In fact, I think Mallett has a much better command of this offense and anticipates where Hoyer reacts. What I meant was that Mallett couldn't consistently be precise with his passes. Behind, shoetops, etc. He didn't give them much opportunity to catch the ball and do anything with it. Everything turned into a possession reception. Catch the ball and hit the turf.

TK and a couple others have commented on this, I did during the game - it seemed like the routes changed with Hoyer in the game, less hitches, more slants, etc. Don't know if those are different reads by the QB or different calls by the OC. But go look at how close the nearest defender is and the routes.

I didn't record the game. Maybe someone who did can prove that impression wrong.

 

[sandman]

TK and a couple others have commented on this, I did during the game - it seemed like the routes changed with Hoyer in the game, less hitches, more slants, etc. Don't know if those are different reads by the QB or different calls by the OC. But go look at how close the nearest defender is and the routes.

I didn't record the game. Maybe someone who did can prove that impression wrong.

Interesting if true. Sort of a dick move on the HC/OC part to call a different game plan for Hoyer than Mallett. Would simply be a continuation though of the OB narrative of Hoyer being his guy.

 

[Mr teX]

Interesting if true. Sort of a dick move on the HC/OC part to call a different game plan for Hoyer than Mallett. Would simply be a continuation though of the OB narrative of Hoyer being his guy.

Certainly not ruling what you're saying out, but why does it have to be the bolded though? Mallet hasn't shown any great propensity to throw it downfield accurately in any of his starts. Yes some of it probably is playcalling...............But maybe they were calling plays with route combinations that they know Mallet can throw reasonably accurate on a consistent basis? Maybe they were calling plays to accentuate his strengths of getting the ball out quickly instead of asking him to do something that they felt pretty confident he couldn't do on a consistent basis. Maybe they were simply trying to keep him out of harms way with the o-line being in shambles and a shaky run game.

I'll never understand why people feel like there's some big conspiracy behind OB's decisions other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success. After all, at the end of the day it's his job that's on the line. & it's his job to get this team to as many wins as possible. If the cap on that is 6 wins with Hoyer at the helm vs. 4 with Mallet, then i fully expect him to start Hoyer or vice versa if the predictions were reversed.

 

[infantrycak]

I'll never understand why people feel like there's some big conspiracy behind OB's decisions other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success.

Generally it should be presumed a coach is trying to win. But hey're still human and at times are affected by poor judgment, biases, trying to prove themselves correct, etc.

OB proved more was going on in this instance by refusing to put Mallett back in the game.. This is the last in a long list of decisions which dispels the general presumption OB is unbiased.

PS - OB has had a gazillion chances to justify/explain his preference for Hoyer with a statement (common with HCs in these situations) akin to 'we feel like Brian let's us play more of our playbook.' He hasn't. He made that kind of statement about Keenum last year though.

PS2 - what kind of idiot would game plan all short passes for a QB who throws 'too hard?'

 

[sandman]

Certainly not ruling what you're saying out, but why does it have to be the bolded though? Mallet hasn't shown any great propensity to throw it downfield accurately in any of his starts. Yes some of it probably is playcalling...............But maybe they were calling plays with route combinations that they know Mallet can throw reasonably accurate on a consistent basis? Maybe they were calling plays to accentuate his strengths of getting the ball out quickly instead of asking him to do something that they felt pretty confident he couldn't do on a consistent basis. Maybe they were simply trying to keep him out of harms way with the o-line being in shambles and a shaky run game.

I'll never understand why people feel like there's some big conspiracy behind OB's decisions other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success. After all, at the end of the day it's his job that's on the line. & it's his job to get this team to as many wins as possible. If the cap on that is 6 wins with Hoyer at the helm vs. 4 with Mallet, then i fully expect him to start Hoyer or vice versa if the predictions were reversed.

I dunno, maybe not putting Mallett back in the game after needing to go out for ONE play? Not sure I've ever seen a QB get benched for the rest of the game for having the wind knocked out of him after going 7-10 and moving the ball down the field.

And LOL that OB/Godsey game planned for Mallett to dink/dunk and Hoyer to go downfield. I can accept that Mallett and Hoyer may have saw the routes/coverages differently which in turn impacted where they threw the ball, but I'll leave that to our resident A/V nerds to look at all the tape.

 

[Mr teX]

Generally it should be presumed a coach is trying to win. But hey're still human and at times are affected by poor judgment, biases, trying to prove themselves correct, etc.

OB proved more was going on in this instance by refusing to put Mallett back in the game.. This is the last in a long list of decisions which dispels the general presumption OB is unbiased.

Eh, if i'm not mistaken, Hoyer had just come off of moving the ball down the field for pts & the offense had looked better in that 1 drive than in any other drive Mallet had put together in 2 starts imo...I think he just went with the hot hand at that point out of desperation to wait for it......... get the team a win and stem the bleeding.........And based on how Hoyer performed up until 1.42 left in the game, it's kinda hard to argue with his decision. Furthermore Mallet's history of injury........................and not being forthcoming with just how badly he's hurting and it effecting his play with his pec injury last year, you really can't blame OB for keeping him out &/or trust Mallet or any ball player in that situation. On top of that, this was also the same game Foster was thought to maybe be concussed, yet he put himself back in the game ....................& he did it without going through the concussion protocol if i'm not mistaken...which coulda got OB in trouble.

I know one thing, Mallet pouting on the sideline certainly wasn't going to gain him any favor with OB....

 

[infantrycak]

Eh, if i'm not mistaken, Hoyer had just come off of moving the ball down the field for pts & the offense had looked better in that 1 drive than in any other drive Mallet had put together in 2 starts imo..

You're mistaken. Mallett was ready to go after 1 play out. OB let on the chance to put his boy in. Any HC not f'king with their QB puts their starter back in.

And he had driven the team down the field just fine on the 1st drive.

 

[Mr teX]

I dunno, maybe not putting Mallett back in the game after needing to go out for ONE play? Not sure I've ever seen a QB get benched for the rest of the game for having the wind knocked out of him after going 7-10 and moving the ball down the field.

And LOL that OB/Godsey game planned for Mallett to dink/dunk and Hoyer to go downfield. I can accept that Mallett and Hoyer may have saw the routes/coverages differently which in turn impacted where they threw the ball, but I'll leave that to our resident A/V nerds to look at all the tape.

You're talking about 1 half way decent drive amongst a myriad of overall bad drives & qb play he had going back to the ATL game. If OB really had it out for Mallet he would've named Hoyer the starter for the Colts game instead of going back to Mallet. Instead he gave the kid the ball again.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Furthermore Mallet's history of injury........................and not being forthcoming with just how badly he's hurting and it effecting his play with his pec injury last year, you really can't blame OB for keeping him out &/or trust Mallet or any ball player in that situation.

I can't believe that Mallett's pec against Cincinnati is being used to justify him being held out of the Indy game. It's not like if OB had Mal's back at all he couldn't have put him in there and seen immediately if he was really good to go or not. If anything it justifies completely Mallett playing through injury against Cincinnati because he had no confidence whatsoever that OB in fact had his back.

I know one thing, Mallet pouting on the sideline certainly wasn't going to gain him any favor with OB....

I'm relatively certain Mallett couldn't give the first sh*t about gaining favor with OB at this point, and I don't think I can blame him.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'll never understand why people feel like there's some big conspiracy behind OB's decisions other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success.

I don't think there is a conspiracy, I'm just saying there is clearly a difference. It may very well be Mallett calling for the wrong route. It may be that OB/Godsey don't trust Mallett to make those throws. I don't know & I said as much.

 

[infantrycak]

You're talking about 1 half way decent drive amongst a myriad of overall bad drives & qb play he had going back to the ATL game. If OB really had it out for Mallet he would've named Hoyer the starter for the Colts game instead of going back to Mallet. Instead he gave the kid the ball again.

The past play goes out the window because OB did not name Hoyer to start the Colts game. Or do you think OB didn't believe at the beginning of the game that Mallett gave them the best chance to win? Why would OB do something "other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success?"

All this talk of bad play is off base. Mallett was the starter and was not pulled for bad play. He took a shot and had his job taken away.

 

[Mr teX]

You're mistaken. Mallett was ready to go after 1 play out. OB let on the chance to put his boy in. Any HC not f'king with their QB puts their starter back in.

And he had driven the team down the field just fine on the 1st drive.

According to who? What you saw on the TV with Mallet on the sideline with his helmet on? What Mallet said in a press conference after the game? Players in general have historically been shown to be untrustworthy when it comes to that stuff. They want to play no matter what...Mallet hasn't proven anything in this league and he hasn't earned that benefit of the doubt...Especially after the Pec situation he had last year. Noone knew just how bad it was until after the game where he was throwing the ball to the damn moon.

Lol, he's not ******* with Mallet.....Mallet is ******* himself over by playing like a bum is what you guys are refusing to acknowledge...If Mallet is playing anywhere near decent, Hoyer's not playing.........period. You can't blame OB for Mallet playing like overall garbage and not securing himself in the position.

 

[infantrycak]

According to who? What you saw on the TV with Mallet on the sideline with his helmet on?

Based on it being obvious to the announcers, anyone watching the game down to the ball boy and beer singers - apparently everyone but you.

 

[Mr teX]

The past play goes out the window because OB did not name Hoyer to start the Colts game. Or do you think OB didn't believe at the beginning of the game that Mallett gave them the best chance to win? Why would OB do something "other than trying to get this team to wins and positioning his players to have the most success?"

All this talk of bad play is off base. Mallett was the starter and was not pulled for bad play. He took a shot and had his job taken away.

You're making my point for me.

Resigned him back to the Texans when he could've told him to kick rocks
Allowed him to compete for the starting spot in TC...something he hadn't had before in his career
Gave him the starting nod after just the 1st game of the season
Went back to him as the starter after the worst performance on offense the team has had all season the week prior.

OB has continued to give this kid chances to entrench himself as the starter & he has failed to impress with every opportunity. At what point does Mallet assume responsibility for his mediocore to below average play?

 

[Mr teX]

Based on it being obvious to the announcers, anyone watching the game down to the ball boy and beer singers - apparently everyone but you.

I'm not even saying he wasn't ready to go back in...but if the guy has already burned me once in not being forthcoming with just how bad he's injured & how it's effecting his play, He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me again as a coach after he's been walked off the field after taking a nice shot to the ribs.

 

[infantrycak]

You're making my point for me.

Resigned him back to the Texans when he could've told him to kick rocks
Allowed him to compete for the starting spot in TC...something he hadn't had before in his career
Gave him the starting nod after just the 1st game of the season
Went back to him as the starter after the worst performance on offense the team has had all season the week prior.

OB has continued to give this kid chances to entrench himself as the starter & he has failed to impress with every opportunity. At what point does Mallet assume responsibility for his mediocore to below average play?

You're avoiding the fact you are on the horns of your own dilemma - did OB walking into that game believe Mallett gave the team the best chance to win? Yes or no.

If yes, nothing had changed. So keeping Hoyer in wasn't in the best interest of the team.

If no, your argument about OB acting in the best interests of the team is out the window.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Generally it should be presumed a coach is trying to win. But hey're still human and at times are affected by poor judgment, biases, trying to prove themselves correct, etc.

OB proved more was going on in this instance by refusing to put Mallett back in the game.. This is the last in a long list of decisions which dispels the general presumption OB is unbiased.

PS - OB has had a gazillion chances to justify/explain his preference for Hoyer with a statement (common with HCs in these situations) akin to 'we feel like Brian let's us play more of our playbook.' He hasn't. He made that kind of statement about Keenum last year though.

PS2 - what kind of idiot would game plan all short passes for a QB who throws 'too hard?'

One just looking for an excuse for him to fail and a reason to allow him to substitute his own pet in enough time to make himself look as though he saved the day and salvaged the season by his great play.

 

[Corrosion]

What Mullet brings as the full-time starter - The #1 pick

What Hoyerable brings as the full-time starter - Just enough W's to screw us out of draft position to acquire his replacement.

 

[sandman]

You're avoiding the fact you are on the horns of your own dilemma - did OB walking into that game believe Mallett gave the team the best chance to win? Yes or no.

If yes, nothing had changed. So keeping Hoyer in wasn't in the best interest of the team.

If no, your argument about OB acting in the best interests of the team is out the window.

This. Right here. Would be nice to get an answer...

 

[Mr teX]

You're avoiding the fact you are on the horns of your own dilemma - did OB walking into that game believe Mallett gave the team the best chance to win? Yes or no.

I'm not on anything...yes he probably felt like Mallet was the best option for them to win...Which you would think that that gesture of confidence in him would be enough to dispell this crap about OB screwing with him..but you guys see conspiracy in everything.

In any case, that would've been a healthy Mallet, not the hurt/injured Mallet that came off the field....And as I've stated multiple times, Mallet lost OB's benefit of the doubt on injuries last year when he downplayed how badly his pec injury was effecting his play.

 

[thunderkyss]

One just looking for an excuse for him to fail and a reason to allow him to substitute his own pet in enough time to make himself look as though he saved the day and salvaged the season by his great play.

He was probably just buying time until he felt Foster was healthy enough to carry the load. Our offense without Foster would get Hoyer killed.

 

[Mr teX]

I'm relatively certain Mallett couldn't give the first sh*t about gaining favor with OB at this point, and I don't think I can blame him.

& I can't believe you still believe Mallet has earned that benefit of the doubt. This isn't Peyton Manning we're talking about here where even if he plays at like 80% he's still better than most. This is an unproven guy who has had enough trouble playing halfway decent when fully healthy....let alone hurt or injured.................................................with a history of downplaying his situation just to get on the field.

You're making it seem as if Mallet is somehow owed these opportunities he's been given...he ain't. OB is the 1st and only coach to even give this kid a chance to try and prove something....& so far he's done nothing with those opportunites whereas better players would've long seized on 1 of them. He's had multiple chances to make the decision easy on OB....................or at the very least force OB's hand to ride with him...Instead he's squandered them away like a pre teen does with disposal income.

The mere fact that OB is still being used as an excuse for this guys failures to secure the starting spot says all that needs to be said about his play thus far & some of you guys still acting like this guy is somehow being done wrong.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Just to clarify, has a starter been announced for Sunday?

 

[santo]

Just to clarify, has a starter been announced for Sunday?

Hoyer

 

[sandman]

I'm not on anything...yes he probably felt like Mallet was the best option for them to win...Which you would think that that gesture of confidence in him would be enough to dispell this crap about OB screwing with him..but you guys see conspiracy in everything.

In any case, that would've been a healthy Mallet, not the hurt/injured Mallet that came off the field....And as I've stated multiple times, Mallet lost OB's benefit of the doubt on injuries last year when he downplayed how badly his pec injury was effecting his play.

Yes you have stated it many times. What is your source? Where are the quotes? Funny that you talk about us having conspiracy theories around our opinions about what OB thinks about Mallett, and you are doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

 

[sandman]

I can say that Mallett is getting jerked around by OB, a head coach who is dying a slow death by hubris, without saying that he is the next Tom Brady. The two positions are not dependent on each other. I'm not sure some of you get that.

 

[Mr teX]

Yes you have stated it many times. What is your source? Where are the quotes? Funny that you talk about us having conspiracy theories around our opinions about what OB thinks about Mallett, and you are doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

point taken....still doesnt change the fact that Mallet has been given opportunity after opportunity to prove himself to OB and he's done nothing with those opportunities. The funny thing about all this is that imo all it would take is 1 great perfomance from him ...similar to Hoyer's in the Colts game and i think OB would lock him in....He hasn't even been able to do that.

 

[infantrycak]

The funny thing about all this is that imo all it would take is 1 great perfomance from him ...similar to Hoyer's in the Colts game and i think OB would lock him in....He hasn't even been able to do that.

You've lost all objectivity if that was a "great" performance by Hoyer.

 

[Mollywhopper]

& I can't believe you still believe Mallet has earned that benefit of the doubt. This isn't Peyton Manning we're talking about here where even if he plays at like 80% he's still better than most. This is an unproven guy who has had enough trouble playing halfway decent when fully healthy....let alone hurt or injured.................................................with a history of downplaying his situation just to get on the field.

You're making it seem as if Mallet is somehow owed these opportunities he's been given...he ain't. OB is the 1st and only coach to even give this kid a chance to try and prove something....& so far he's done nothing with those opportunites whereas better players would've long seized on 1 of them. He's had multiple chances to make the decision easy on OB....................or at the very least force OB's hand to ride with him...Instead he's squandered them away like a pre teen does with disposal income.

The mere fact that OB is still being used as an excuse for this guys failures to secure the starting spot says all that needs to be said about his play thus far & some of you guys still acting like this guy is somehow being done wrong.

Every player tries to play through injury. It's practically the league mantra. There's an entire protocol now to try and save players from themselves because of it. You're trying to act like Mallett is in some way on an island for doing so. He's not. But it's not as though OB couldn't have put Mallett back in and evaluated very quickly whether or not his QB was capable. Instead he saw a clear and immediate opportunity to go back to Hoyer. How's that's not obvious to anyone is kinda strange.

I don't know that I even care at this point who the QB is. Seems this team is past that making any difference other than draft order anyway. I was just stating that Mallett had a right to be pissed. A QB losing his spot for missing one play after taking a shot is absurd, regardless how you feel about that QB. And OB looks further spun around for it.

 

[TripleTap]

OB sees that Hoyer is a better all around QB than Mallett. Mallett has that assassin's arm, but that's all he has.

Hoyer has fluidity, range, mobility, variety, touch, sufficient power, escapability, field vision, etc. He looks like a full-grown (if not particularly brilliant) QB. Yes, he's mistake-prone on occasion. We'll lose some games in part because of it.

Mallett looks like a high-schooler. He looks substantially the same as he was at Ark years ago. Nothing's changed. Given that Mallett had four or five years at NE to develop I'd say it's a fair bet he's about as developed as he's going to get. Apparently Cowher said on TV htat he liked Mallett. Maybe he could make something out of Mallett. Maybe a true QB whisperer could. Bill is not that guy.

I feel bad for the kid.

 

[Mr teX]

I can say that Mallett is getting jerked around by OB, a head coach who is dying a slow death by hubris, without saying that he is the next Tom Brady. The two positions are not dependent on each other. I'm not sure some of you get that.

You've lost all objectivity if that was a "great" performance by Hoyer.

It was until 1:42 left in the game...is what i meant anyway.

 

[infantrycak]

It was until 1:42 left in the game...is what i meant anyway.

No it wasn't. It wasn't bad but far from great.

 

[Mr teX]

Every player tries to play through injury. It's practically the league mantra. There's an entire protocol now to try and save players from themselves because of it. You're trying to act like Mallett is in some way on an island for doing so. He's not. But it's not as though OB couldn't have put Mallett back in and evaluated very quickly whether or not his QB was capable. Instead he saw a clear and immediate opportunity to go back to Hoyer. How's that's not obvious to anyone is kinda strange.

I don't know that I even care at this point who the QB is. Seems this team is past that making any difference other than draft order anyway. I was just stating that Mallett had a right to be pissed. A QB losing his spot for missing one play after taking a shot is absurd, regardless how you feel about that QB. And OB looks further spun around for it.

Because the clear and immediate opportunity was already there genius after the performance of Mallet and the offense in ATL where he led the offense to put up 0 pts in 3 qtrs of work and we were getting thumped like 30-0.....only to watch Hoyer come in and put up 21 in the last qtr................ALBEIT AGAINST SCRUBS. It would've been very easy for OB to justify giving Hoyer the starting gig back after that going into the Colts game....after all, weren't all you guys advocating for Mallet to become the starter after he did close to the same thing in the KC game? Nevertheless, he didn't.... OB gave the ball back to Mallet...

As far as caring, i'm right there with ya'. This teams issues run way deeper than the qb.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Because the clear and immediate opportunity was already there genius after the performance of Mallet and the offense in ATL where he led the offense to put up 0 pts in 3 qtrs of work and we were getting thumped like 30-0.....only to watch Hoyer come in and put up 21 in the last qtr................ALBEIT AGAINST SCRUBS. It would've been very easy for OB to justify giving Hoyer the starting gig back after that going into the Colts game....after all, weren't all you guys advocating for Mallet to become the starter after he did close to the same thing in the KC game? Nevertheless, he didn't.... OB gave the ball back to Mallet...

As far as caring, i'm right there with ya'. This teams issues run way deeper than the qb.

So then you think OB wasn't trying to give the team the best chance to win by starting Mallett against Indy?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Mr teX]

No it wasn't. It wasn't bad but far from great.

If Mallet had put up 300+ yds passing with 3 TDs, 77% completion percentage and moved the offense down the field the way Hoyer did while simultaneously bringing the team back, you, me and everyone else would be bouncing off the walls right now with glee about Mallet's potential.

 

[infantrycak]

If Mallet had put up 300+ yds passing with 3 TDs, 77% completion percentage and moved the offense down the field the way Hoyer did while simultaneously bringing the team back, you, me and everyone else would be bouncing off the walls right now with glee about Mallet's potential.

2 TDs and no.

Did Strong have a great performance because he had 2 TD receptions?

 

[markn]

TK and a couple others have commented on this, I did during the game - it seemed like the routes changed with Hoyer in the game, less hitches, more slants, etc. Don't know if those are different reads by the QB or different calls by the OC. But go look at how close the nearest defender is and the routes.

I didn't record the game. Maybe someone who did can prove that impression wrong.

I was at the game and noticed that too. I discussed it with my friend and we concluded that the play calling changed with the yanking of Mallett. I wonder if OB doesn't trust Mallett with deeper passes as much as he does Hoyer. In fact, I wonder if he just prefers Hoyer period and has been forced into starting Mallett either by fan pressure or, more likely, from insistence from above.

 

[Mr teX]

So then you think OB wasn't trying to give the team the best chance to win by starting Mallett against Indy?

You can't have it both ways.

Dude, what i'm trying to say is i can surmise (mostly) where OB's rationale is coming from when he's making these decisions on who he's choosing to start is all i'm saying. My own personal opinion however is different. After watching both these guys play I myself feel that Hoyer is probably the best way to go if you're trying to win the most games possible....That's not to say that OB has felt the same way all along nor is it to say that OB doesn't truly believe that who he has chosen at various times through the season he hasn't felt that they gave the team the best chance to win AT THE TIME. Ultimately I feel it's a wash however; neither is really winning much more than the other...7 wins vs. 5 wins imo.

 

[Mr teX]

2 TDs and no.

Did Strong have a great performance because he had 2 TD receptions?

It's relative...Considering he's a rookie, hadn't even dressed and played in a regular season game..I would say yes it was a great performance. Noone expected it and if any rookie was gonna catch 2 TD's in the game it was gonna be Mumphrey.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Dude, what i'm trying to say is i can surmise (mostly) where OB's rationale is coming from when he's making these decisions on who he's choosing to start is all i'm saying. My own personal opinion however is different. After watching both these guys play I myself feel that Hoyer is probably the best way to go if you're trying to win the most games possible....That's not to say that OB has felt the same way all along nor is it to say that OB doesn't truly believe that who he has chosen at various times through the season he hasn't felt that they gave the team the best chance to win AT THE TIME. Ultimately I feel it's a wash however; neither is really winning much more than the other...7 wins vs. 5 wins imo.

Well, dude, if you honestly feel you can surmise OB's rationale in making these decisions then I just wanna wish you the best of luck with ... that.