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What is Laremy Tunsil's worth in a trade?

steelbtexan

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If I were Stephen Ross I would love to find a package they could bring me Watson and laremy tunsil and possibly Brandin Cooks. I just don't think they have enough to do that without setting their overall roster back.
I'm sure you would since you've been advocating trading these guys since Caserio was hired and have come up with some outlandish (IMHO) trade proposals. I cant wait to see your trade proposal for this trade. It should make for a few good laughs.

Obviously cap space means more to you than talent. Or you just want everybody and everything that BOB traded for during his tenure even though Caserio obviously likes them as team leaders for this rebuild, since Caserio re-structured both of them.

I'm assuming you're not liking how Caserio is choosing to rebuild HIS team.
 

badboy

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Sunday during the Titans game the son of a buddy of mine said "isn't it interesting how so many are now suggesting that Tunsil should be traded?"
 

steelbtexan

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How did you think Howard played Sunday?
OK, nothing overly special. I would see how he does next yr at LG before I extended him. The run game was still very bad though. It appears that atleast he's cut down on penalties, so that's a sign of progress.
 

steelbtexan

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Tunsil doesn’t really improve the running game. He plays LT far too passive to be an effective run blocker.
Doesn't need to if you draft Neal and Salyer. In fact drafting these guys allows Tunsil to do what he's elite at, protect Mills blindside.
 

SnakeEyes

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No idea but I read a few mocks having us take a 6' 7" 350 T in the draft. I don’t remember if it was right or left...guess they could play guard. So if they went this route, I can see a deal for say 2nds and maybe a mid 3rd
 

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No idea but I read a few mocks having us take a 6' 7" 350 T in the draft. I don’t remember if it was right or left...guess they could play guard. So if they went this route, I can see a deal for say 2nds and maybe a mid 3rd
Is 6’7” too tall for Guard?
 

steelbtexan

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Yes. Neal would make an excellent RT, and I assume you would have Howard play LT if you trade Tunsil
If Tunsil is traded and Neal is drafted, then if I were the HC, Neal would play LT and Heck RT. Howard would play RG and my 2nd rd pick would be the best OG I could draft. I like Kinnard/Salyers.

You want to improve the run game? Then put Neal/Salyers on one side of the OL together and reap the rewards. Left side if Tunsil is traded and right side if Tunsil isn't traded.

BTW, Neal played some RG earlier in his career. He's an incredible athlete, particularly for a 360 LB man.
 

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If Tunsil is traded and Neal is drafted, then if I were the HC, Neal would play LT and Heck RT. Howard would play RG and my 2nd rd pick would be the best OG I could draft. I like Kinnard/Salyers.

You want to improve the run game? Then put Neal/Salyers on one side of the OL together and reap the rewards. Left side if Tunsil is traded and right side if Tunsil isn't traded.

BTW, Neal played some RG earlier in his career. He's an incredible athlete, particularly for a 360 LB man.
Cool. Let's have Howard play his 3rd position in his 3rd season, then later complain why he hasn't progressed. Sounds like a solid plan.
 

steelbtexan

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Cool. Let's have Howard play his 3rd position in his 3rd season, then later complain why he hasn't progressed. Sounds like a solid plan.
Or try to trade his busty azz. He's been tried out at LT/RT/LG, with marginal results. At some point you upgrade from Howard and move on if you want to improve your OL/RunGame/Pass Pro.

I would play Taylor at LGG and use Howard and Heck as swing OL. It would be great depth to have. If Caserio drafted Neal/Salyer at 1-3 and 2-37 my OL would look like this

Tunsil/Taylor/Britt/Salyer/Neal

You think that would be the best OL the Texans have had in the last 5-7 yrs? Do you think RB's would be able to avg more than 3.0 yds per carry, or that it might protect Mills better and help in his development?
 
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dream_team

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Or try to trade his busty azz. He's been tried out at LT/RT/LG, with marginal results. At some point you upgrade from Howard and move on if you want to improve your OL/RunGame/Pass Pro.

I would play Taylor at LGG and use Howard and Heck as swing OL. It would be great depth to have. If Caserio drafted Neal/Salyer at 1-3 and 2-37 my OL would look like this

Tunsil/Taylor/Britt/Salyer/Neal

You think that would be the best OL the Texans have had in the last 5-7 yrs? Do you think RB's would be able to avg more than 3.0 yds per carry, or that it might protect Mills better and help in his development?
I liked Howard at right tackle and should have stayed there last season.
 

thunderkyss

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You think that would be the best OL the Texans have had in the last 5-7 yrs? Do you think RB's would be able to avg more than 3.0 yds per carry, or that it might protect Mills better and help in his development?
I remember thinking this when they drafted XSF, or when they drafted Nick Martin, or when they drafted Howard & Scharping
 

Francois Kutz

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Please, please, please..keep it to the topic and not moan about what we gave for him. Everyone knows that and like the deal or not I just do not care; picks are gone. My question is if he stands on the $20 million avg per year do we pay or try to work a deal? Several teams were interested in him pre 2019 and despite some good LTs (I am not so high on those) being mocked round one could we make a move good for Houston and use that $20 m elsewhere? I realize we'd need a LT replacement but here are some deals I would be interested in that the other teams should agree to. If you are going to disagree, give reasons other than "they won't do it".

Note my preference is to extend Tunsil for a reasonable deal six years rather than 4 or 5 with $55 million GTD and that extra year to spread a huge signing bonus over to assist keeping his cap as low as possible. I also would rather pay 26 YOA Tunsil than TWill 32 but the latter can start for the entire contract plus bring much needed help in a trade.

First some comparisons: Lane Johnson Eagles RT Nov of 2019 signed 4 year extension $72 m with GTD $54.59 m and was 29 YOA. In July 2018 27 YOA Taylor Lewan extended for 5 years $80m with 50 GTD and he is a LT.

Option #1 Washington 1.2 plus Trent Williams. I have Tua going here but there is just as much reason they stick with second year QB first pick Dwayne Haskins. If so, Washington needs a left tack in worst way and TWill continues to want out and more money. They want a first for him but I say not happening. Getting Tunsil solves both a both blind side protector and moves TWill saving face for Snyder. Most have DE/OLB Chase Young to Washington but they've got to have LT and those are more rare than QBs. Benefit to Houston is a 7 straight year pro-bowler who turns 32 July this year. Having off 2019 could benefit him. Yes many would rather pay Tunsil but 1.2 gets you Chase filling another high need or trading down for more picks. For example Miami 5 & 18 brings you priority players and maybe Ruiz RG/center at 18 or a very good WR.

Option #2 Giants many thought race for Chase was done deal until they let Washington beat them to #2. Nate Solder needs to go to RT as he was less than 65 PFF not earning his paycheck. Similar options here including trade down from 1.4 and getting 2.36 for another guy and offering 2.57 for Twill. Benefits Houston with more picks and still getting a LT in draft or at 2.57.

Option 3 I see Chargers going with QB Tyrod Taylor or a FA or possibly using 3.71 on Jalen Hurts who many seem to have forgotten. Houston uses 1.4 for massive but smooth LT Mekhi Becton my favorite and 2.37 for another priority player. I would with this draft consider sending 2.57 to Washington for TWill and using 1.4 elsewhere perhaps a trade down as QBs remain on board there.
Hard to say. Teams dont really trade LT, they usually draft them in the 1st round.
 

Texian

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Difference is there's a competent GM running things now.
Matter of opinion. We are all on the next FUBAR watch. If they do trade Tunsil this would be a 2021 FUBAR that carries over to a 2022 FUBAR. The reason this would become a 2022 FUBAR is it would come with $16.6MM in added Dead Money. Add that to the already $51MM in Dead Money creates $67MM in Dead Money. That has to be some kind of dead money record in the NFL. All created by this competent GM who when he started the job had $0 dead money in 2022. Get your popcorn ready, 2022 FUBARS will be coming Fast and Furious.
 
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Lucky

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If they do trade Tunsil this would be a 2021 FUBAR that carries over to a 2022 FUBAR. The reason this would become a 2022 FUBAR is it would come with $16.6MM in added Dead Money. Add that to the already $51MM in Dead Money creates $67MM in Dead Money. That has to be some kind of dead money record in the NFL.
Maybe. The Lions had over $66 million in dead money this year.
 

Texian

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Maybe. The Lions had over $66 million in dead money this year.
Lions are your classic rebuild. Took out all of the trash in year one. More than likely, the Lions will be much better in year two of their rebuild. Their $67MM in dead money was part of a the rebuild plan. The Texans $67MM dead money was more of a case of accidental happenstance.
 
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thunderkyss

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Lions are your classic rebuild. Take out all of the trash in year one. More than likely, they will be much better in year two of their rebuild. Their $67MM in dead money was part of a the rebuild plan. The Texans $67MM dead money was more of a case of accidental happenstance.
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JB

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Lions are your classic rebuild. Take out all of the trash in year one. More than likely, they will be much better in year two of their rebuild. Their $67MM in dead money was part of a the rebuild plan. The Texans $67MM dead money was more of a case of accidental happenstance.
Or the Texans could wait until post June 1 to trade both Watson and Tunsil and have only a dead money hit of `$14M and a cap savings of `$52M and get the wealth of draft picks for the 2023 draft...
That's what I would do
 

steelbtexan

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Matter of opinion. We are all on the next FUBAR watch. If they do trade Tunsil this would be a 2021 FUBAR that carries over to a 2022 FUBAR. The reason this would become a 2022 FUBAR is it would come with $16.6MM in added Dead Money. Add that to the already $51MM in Dead Money creates $67MM in Dead Money. That has to be some kind of dead money record in the NFL. All created by this competent GM who when he started the job had $0 dead money in 2022. Get your popcorn ready, 2022 FUBARS will be coming Fast and Furious.
Bottom line is there will be enough cap space to go around after next season when all of the Mercilus/Cunningham contracts come off of the books and the cap makes a big jump?

I'm thinking the cap will be the least of Caserio's problems.
 

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Bottom line is there will be enough cap space to go around after next season when all of the Mercilus/Cunningham contracts come off of the books and the cap makes a big jump?

I'm thinking the cap will be the least of Caserio's problems.
What is your over/under on how many draft picks the File Clerk is going to trade away this year?
 

steelbtexan

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What is your over/under on how many draft picks the File Clerk is going to trade away this year?
Hopefully atleast 2. I wouldn't have an issue if Caserio traded pick #115 and a couple of the 6ths to move up for another top 100 pick. Would you?

Also if Caserio traded #115 and # 68 to move up to say 45 and was able to draft a guys like Pickens or Salyer I wouldn't have a problem.

1-3 Neal
2-37 Pickens
2-45 Salyer
3-80 Goodrich

Three 6ths and a 7th means you could move up into the 5th if a guy like Jordan last yr fell to the 5th.

Would you have a problem with a 6 or 7 player draft? I wouldn't as long as Caserio came away with talent like I listed within the top 80 picks.

Would you
 

Texian

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Hopefully atleast 2. I wouldn't have an issue if Caserio traded pick #115 and a couple of the 6ths to move up for another top 100 pick. Would you?

Also if Caserio traded #115 and # 68 to move up to say 45 and was able to draft a guys like Pickens or Salyer I wouldn't have a problem.

1-3 Neal
2-37 Pickens
2-45 Salyer
3-80 Goodrich

Three 6ths and a 7th means you could move up into the 5th if a guy like Jordan last yr fell to the 5th.

Would you have a problem with a 6 or 7 player draft? I wouldn't as long as Caserio came away with talent like I listed within the top 80 picks.

Would you
You give Caserio way too much credit. You assume he is as smart as you.
 

ArmyBengal

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Trade for a LT that a team doesn't need, while simultaneously giving up a high pick and taking on a 26 million dollar cap hit for 2022 ?? That's just laughable by any scenario. 26 million ?? That's just shy of a complete 4 year contract on a first round rookie, not including a 5th year option.
 

vtech9

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Trade for a LT that a team doesn't need, while simultaneously giving up a high pick and taking on a 26 million dollar cap hit for 2022 ?? That's just laughable by any scenario. 26 million ?? That's just shy of a complete 4 year contract on a first round rookie, not including a 5th year option.
A team that gave up 55 sacks in the regular season and 9 in a playoff game doesn't need a LT?

BTW, the team that trades for Tunsil would have a cap hit of $17.85 million in 2022 and $18.5 million in 2023, as the Texans have already taken care of the signing bonus.
Additionally, the new team could sign him to a new contract with a signing bonus to offset the salary cap hit.
 

steelbtexan

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A team that gave up 55 sacks in the regular season and 9 in a playoff game doesn't need a LT?

BTW, the team that trades for Tunsil would have a cap hit of $17.85 million in 2022 and $18.5 million in 2023, as the Texans have already taken care of the signing bonus.
Williams isn't a terrible LT. The Bengals do need help at RT and the interior OL spots though. I'm pretty sure they can fill these needs in the draft.
 

steelbtexan

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I'm going to guess he doesn't.
So you're a Bengals fan?

You keep up with them like you do the Texans?

I've started to keep up with them after they drafted Joey B. From what I can tell yes they could trade for a pro bowler like Tunsil and move Williams to LG or RT.

But Williams is a good (Not near as good as Tunsil) LT who's on a rookie deal. It would be much more Mike Brown like to draft a RT like Faalele or trade up for a guy like Penning than it would be to spend the draft capital and money on Tunsil. Tobin still has to find another guard to pair with Spain if they bring Spain back. If they dont bring Spain back then they will have 3 holes on the OL. Not that that means much after seeing the OL give up 9 sacks against the Titans.
 

Lucky

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So you're a Bengals fan?

You keep up with them like you do the Texans?
I watch football. Here are some things I posted about Jonah Williams prior to the 2019 draft.

Jonah Williams could be this year's Brandon Scherff. The most highly regarded OT in his class, who bumps inside once he's a pro.
Some raising issues of uncertainty about Cody Ford & Jonah Williams being potentially bona fide NFL LT material.
I don't think they are. Williams doesn't have the base, and Ford doesn't have the feet. I think Williams could be a Pro Bowl OG in a ZBS.
Interesting in that in discussing Jonah Williams, the first thing Zierlein says is that he can understand why teams don't have him as a LT. To me, it's a big deal when you're ranking OTs and you're not sure if the guy can stay at OT.
Williams wouldn't fit the profile of OTs brought in previously. Not saying he would be a bad pick at all. I'm sure he could start somewhere on this line. I just don't think the Texans see someone like Jonah Williams as a prototypical LT.
My opinion remains the same in 2022. The Bengals would be better served kicking Jonah Williams inside and acquiring a LT. The numbers bear that out.
 
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badboy

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Trade for a LT that a team doesn't need, while simultaneously giving up a high pick and taking on a 26 million dollar cap hit for 2022 ?? That's just laughable by any scenario. 26 million ?? That's just shy of a complete 4 year contract on a first round rookie, not including a 5th year option.
Move LT Jonah Williams to Right Tackle where he was selected as all american as freshman and known as best Olineman in college. Tunsil becomes LT. Lucky addressed the correct salary ramifications.
 

steelbtexan

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I watch football. Here are some things I posted about Jonah Williams prior to the 2019 draft.







My opinion remains the same in 2022. The Bengals would be better served kicking Jonah Williams inside and acquiring a LT. The numbers bear that out.
Like I said he's a serviceable LT. and you're right, he would be better at LG. However let's be real Mike Brown ain't paying 26 mil for anybody, particularly when he already has a serviceable LT.

I know how bad some want to get rid of Tunsil but it ain't gonna be the Bengals.

Maybe Carolina/Miami/Possibly the Steelers.

But if you trade Tunsil then you're risking doing being in the same position the Dolphins are in right now. Be careful of what you wish for.
 
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Lucky

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I know how bad some want to get rid of Tunsil
It's not that I want to get rid of Tunsil. Based off this season, I have a feeling the Texans and Tunsil have agreed to part ways. It's a feeling.

I am a little surprised you are so gung ho on keeping Laremy. Are you not a proponent of "getting rid of the trash", aka O'Brien's players? Tunsil has to be the poster boy for Billy O's transactions. What's up with that?
 

steelbtexan

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It's not that I want to get rid of Tunsil. Based off this season, I have a feeling the Texans and Tunsil have agreed to part ways. It's a feeling.

I am a little surprised you are so gung ho on keeping Laremy. Are you not a proponent of "getting rid of the trash", aka O'Brien's players? Tunsil has to be the poster boy for Billy O's transactions. What's up with that?
Nope, not at all

I'm for keeping guys that can give Mills has best chance to succeed. We haven't heard a word from Tunsil, so we dont know if Caserio put Tunsil on ice for the season (What I think the case is) or if Tunsil thought that there was no use taking a chance of getting hurt playing for a lost cause in a losing season.
 

Lucky

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Nope, not at all

I'm for keeping guys that can give Mills has best chance to succeed. We haven't heard a word from Tunsil, so we dont know if Caserio put Tunsil on ice for the season (What I think the case is) or if Tunsil thought that there was no use taking a chance of getting hurt playing for a lost cause in a losing season.
We'll see.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Like I said he's a serviceable LT. and you're right, he would be better at LG. However let's be real Mike Brown ain't paying 26 mil for anybody, particularly when he already has a serviceable LT.

I know how bad some want to get rid of Tunsil but it ain't gonna be the Bengals.

Maybe Carolina/Miami/Possibly the Steelers.

But if you trade Tunsil then you're risking doing being in the same position the Dolphins are in right now. Be careful of what you wish for.
First, most of us (including you) are in agreement that Caserio had a really decent 1st draft. Where’s the faith that he could do even better with the additional picks in finding a LT replacement who can perform every facet of the job for a lot less money?

:hankpalm: as repeatedly posted Tunsil's cost to a team in a trade is NOT $26 m but 2022 $17.850 and 2023 $18.5 million. That is ridiculously inexpensive for Tunsil.
Actually, that’s what the Texans should’ve been paying for Tunsil’s services….not the bloated contract OB gave him.
 


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