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This season was cursed from the get go.
If there was absolutely no reason Watson shouldn't have thrown a perfect ball, I agree with you. But if he's got Justin Houston half a step away... as long as he gets it close where noone else can get it.I guess we disagree here. I'm not a believer in the mantra, "it hit both hands, you have to catch it". some catches, while possible to catch, are simply difficult to handle. in my hypothetical situation, I'm blasting DW for making a play alot more difficult than it had to be.
Lets me be clear here what I am saying for sure he should have caught it is in your hypothetical Keke catch scenario. As far as the actual play goes I'm not ready to say Watson should have caught it or not because the angles I have seen aren't good enough to be sure. If he had both hands on it and lost it while turning then yeah he should have secured the ball and taken the hit so they could try again on the next play. However looking at it slowed down, best youtube can, play it looks like it could have hit his knee and he never really had both hands on it. Its why I said I'm waiting for the all 22 so that we can see different angles and find out what was really going on.I guess we disagree here. I'm not a believer in the mantra, "it hit both hands, you have to catch it". some catches, while possible to catch, are simply difficult to handle. in my hypothetical situation, I'm blasting DW for making a play alot more difficult than it had to be.
The play he threw it up for grabs into the end zone that was almost picked. I don't recall all the details and haven't seen it again, but in real-time I didn't like that decision.All of you... @amazing80, @austin23, @Speedy, @ClemsonTexan...
Can you name one bad decision Watson made yesterday?
Or if its a blind pass which we've seen both Watson and Mahomes have to make. The difference between the Hopkins, OBJs, Coopers and Gronks vs other guys that play those positions is they make those kind of plays. You can argue they are just more talented but at the end of the day when the game is on the line you don't get to make the excuse "I'm just not good enough" for why you failed to make a play. In a perfect world all players are trying to get to that hall of fame level so all players WANT to be the go to guy that gets the questionable pass or game winning hand off so they can make that big play.If there was absolutely no reason Watson shouldn't have thrown a perfect ball, I agree with you. But if he's got Justin Houston half a step away... as long as he gets it close where noone else can get it.
I remember Wade Smith saying the coaches are asking the OL to do too much, they're not putting the players in position to succeed. If I had to guess, Nick Martin was thinking, "I gotta snap the ball and fire out at the DT as fast as I can." He ended up botching both of those, maybe because what coaches want him to do is simply asking for too much.Either way I place the lion's share of the blame on Martin for not just the bad snap but completely getting brushed aside by the defender so there was no time to recover it once it was fumbled.
I'm not sure I understand but asking him to snap the ball and block his assigned guy is asking to much? If so then forget his big contract what the frack is he even doing playing center in the NFL to start with?I remember Wade Smith saying the coaches are asking the OL to do too much, they're not putting the players in position to succeed. If I had to guess, Nick Martin was thinking, "I gotta snap the ball and fire out at the DT as fast as I can." He ended up botching both of those, maybe because what coaches want him to do is simply asking for too much.
I don’t know, Martin has always struggled with snapping the ball accurately. He definitely improved over time, but he has not been consistent enoughI remember Wade Smith saying the coaches are asking the OL to do too much, they're not putting the players in position to succeed. If I had to guess, Nick Martin was thinking, "I gotta snap the ball and fire out at the DT as fast as I can." He ended up botching both of those, maybe because what coaches want him to do is simply asking for too much.
That's why I was happy to see DW taking the blame for that play. No matter the circumstances, he believes he can make the play. Alot of people sees that as a negative and calls it "hero-ball". Not me, I like his confidence in himself. I'm willing to take the good w/ the bad.Or if its a blind pass which we've seen both Watson and Mahomes have to make. The difference between the Hopkins, OBJs, Coopers and Gronks vs other guys that play those positions is they make those kind of plays. You can argue they are just more talented but at the end of the day when the game is on the line you don't get to make the excuse "I'm just not good enough" for why you failed to make a play. In a perfect world all players are trying to get to that hall of fame level so all players WANT to be the go to guy that gets the questionable pass or game winning hand off so they can make that big play.
I don't know the finer details of OL play. I just remember Wade saying that. And I don't know what he's doing playing center in the NFL, because it ain't playing center.I'm not sure I understand but asking him to snap the ball and block his assigned guy is asking to much? If so then forget his big contract what the frack is he even doing playing center in the NFL to start with?
He should’ve tucked that and ran with it. He had a lot green on the right side. Could’ve gotten the first down or at least picked up 5-8 yards.The play he threw it up for grabs into the end zone that was almost picked. I don't recall all the details and haven't seen it again, but in real-time I didn't like that decision.
Why, so we can focus on that, where the narrative becomes that's who he is? **** that!!All of you... @amazing80, @austins23, @Speedy, @ClemsonTexan...
Can you name one bad decision Watson made yesterday?
Yes, that was a stupid throw. You guys happy now??The play he threw it up for grabs into the end zone that was almost picked. I don't recall all the details and haven't seen it again, but in real-time I didn't like that decision.
The ol heave ho to the end zone was not a good decision by #4. Other than that he played his arse off I thought.All of you... @amazing80, @austins23, @Speedy, @ClemsonTexan...
Can you name one bad decision Watson made yesterday?
Nope. Why talk about that when you can complain about the botched snap from Martin or the free runner that sacked him for a safety.Yes, that was a stupid throw. You guys happy now??
I also saw Akins with his half ass chip that let his guy jump on the ball. Had he actually blocked THROUGH the man who knows but just a **** play all around.
I get it. There are some guys who over do it. But I'm not them. I'm a Watson fan & I believe for the most part I've given him props. I've acknowledged the poor situation he is in & I've applauded him for becoming the QB he has in spite of it.But instead of Watson getting credit for that from y'all, you're wondering why this Coutee stud hasn't been playing more, or why he didn't hit that open guy from that one screenshot you found on that one play that you've overanalyzed to death.
But hey, if that's how some of y'all find pleasure in this game, more power to you.
Of course he could have done better. And he's shown that he is getting better every week. Mahomes could have done better against the Broncos. Wilson certainly could have done better last night. Ryan, Murray, Carr, Tannehill, they all could have done better. I don't think Baker could have, but I digress. Point is, every QB every week, misses open guys, or should have made a better throw, or something. None of them are perfect.I get it. There are some guys who over do it. But I'm not them. I'm a Watson fan & I believe for the most part I've given him props. I've admitted the poor situation he is in & I've applauded him for becoming the QB he has in spite of it.
This morning, it was just me arguing he could have done better on that safety. The others didn't join until later. So it's like forget any of the good stuff I ever said about him. I'm being treated like a hater. & nothing could be farther from the truth.
I'm here to talk about football. I'm here to talk about the Texans. If this is where the group wants to steer the conversation... let's talk about it.
If we don't want to talk about it, let the threads fall to the second page, like the terrible defense thread before I bumped it. Or the Easterby thread, or whatever.
If you want to talk about the good stuff... let's talk.
Stop painting the entire forum in broad strokes. This forum does not sit around and finds all the bad plays Watson does and grills him. We don't talk about the other QBs and what they could have done better because this is the Texans section of the forum and those guys aren't Texan QBs. If you want to do nothing but talk about all the great things Watson has done then fine, there is a thread for that and there is plenty of material but don't act like those of us trying to look at the whole picture, both good and bad, are just grilling him.Of course he could have done better. And he's shown that he is getting better every week. Mahomes could have done better against the Broncos. Wilson certainly could have done better last night. Ryan, Murray, Carr, Tannehill, they all could have done better. I don't think Baker could have, but I digress. Point is, every QB every week, misses open guys, or should have made a better throw, or something. None of them, are perfect.
But for some reason this forum is hell bent on finding those plays from Watson every week and grilling the dude, making it seem like that's who he is. That's weak.
Welcome to the club, we meet on Monday and as the new guy you have to bring the donuts.I get it. There are some guys who over do it. But I'm not them. I'm a Watson fan & I believe for the most part I've given him props. I've acknowledged the poor situation he is in & I've applauded him for becoming the QB he has in spite of it.
This morning, it was just me arguing he could have done better on that safety. The others didn't join until later. So it's like forget any of the good stuff I ever said about him. I'm being treated like a hater. & nothing could be farther from the truth.
I'm here to talk about football. I'm here to talk about the Texans. If this is where the group wants to steer the conversation... let's talk about it.
If we don't want to talk about it, let the threads fall to the second page, like the terrible defense thread before I bumped it. Or the Easterby thread, or whatever.
If you want to talk about the good stuff... let's talk.
The main guy he's talking about doesn't even post links.This forum does not sit around and finds all the bad plays Watson does and grills him.
Stop with the why you are painting broad strokes BS. We all know who we’re talking about around here. If what I said doesn’t apply to you, then you’re not who I’m talking about.Stop painting the entire forum in broad strokes. This forum does not sit around and finds all the bad plays Watson does and grills him. We don't talk about the other QBs and what they could have done better because this is the Texans section of the forum and those guys aren't Texan QBs. If you want to do nothing but talk about all the great things Watson has done then fine, there is a thread for that and there is plenty of material but don't act like those of us trying to look at the whole picture, both good and bad, are just grilling him.
But for some reason this forum is hell bent on finding those plays from Watson every week and grilling the dude, making it seem like that's who he is. That's weak.
Looks like you’re calling the entire forum out to me. And frankly I’d don’t know who anyone is talking about these days because as TK said what a poster has said in the past doesn't seem to matter the moment they say anything someone disagrees with then it’s they are cut and dry a Watson hater or defender. It mirrors the old OB arguments it’s not even funny.Stop with the why you are painting broad strokes BS. We all know who we’re talking about around here. If what I said doesn’t apply to you, then you’re not who I’m talking about.
He turned before he had the ball secure.Not sure what you're suggesting here? DW tried to catch the ball, but he didn't. The defender already pounced on the ball once DW realized where it went.
Just to avoid confusion and keep me out of 'hater' jail - I 'Liked' your last two messages because I appreciate you finding the info and posting it - not that I like their content
I always thought the Titans were the Texans biggest rivals, but from the Rosencopter, to jughead Manning, to the safety, to the fumble, the Colts have overtaken the Titans.Just to avoid confusion and keep me out of 'hater' jail - I 'Liked' your last two messages because I appreciate you finding the info and posting it - not that I like their content
Ah. The smart play was to catch the snap. Got it. Thanks for the insight.He turned before he had the ball secure.
I will tell you what he said, he should have caught it. You either can believe him or not. I'm certainly not going to change your mind.That’s because he takes responsibility for everything possibly within his power to control. I admire him for doing so, even when he shoulders blame alone... when he shouldn’t.
Go ahead, try and tell me with a straight face that the first and last snaps of that series were anywhere near “good”.
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Don't sound like much of a rivalry.I always thought the Titans were the Texans biggest rivals, but from the Rosencopter, to jughead Manning, to the safety, to the fumble, the Colts have overtaken the Titans.
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Yeah but that thread gets derailed too lolStop painting the entire forum in broad strokes. This forum does not sit around and finds all the bad plays Watson does and grills him. We don't talk about the other QBs and what they could have done better because this is the Texans section of the forum and those guys aren't Texan QBs. If you want to do nothing but talk about all the great things Watson has done then fine, there is a thread for that and there is plenty of material but don't act like those of us trying to look at the whole picture, both good and bad, are just grilling him.
Ah. The smart play was to catch the snap. Got it. Thanks for the insight.
You're quite welcome.
He's definitely not turning before the ball gets to him.This is the best video I have seen of the snap/fumble. Stop the video at the one second mark and see where the ball is...
Ouch! Snap was worse than I thought.This is the best video I have seen of the snap/fumble. Stop the video at the one second mark and see where the ball is...
After watching this video from behind Martin and stopping at the one second mark. Do you still feel the same way?No one wants to say it here, but bottom line, the ball was in both of Watson's hands............he should have first just secured the ball before ever turning.........whatever the play was.
Certainly, from that clip he did not turn before the ball gets to him.He's definitely not turning before the ball gets to him.
It is what it is I guessIt's truly amazing how everything Watson does is both heavily criticized and praised in TT. I honestly don't get it.
Watson, BY FAR, is the least of this team's problems.
Watson's play, BY FAR, is not the reason the Texans lost yesterday.
All I'm seeing today are 100s of pictures, stills, videos on the botched snap and the safety.
Haters gonna hateIt's truly amazing how everything Watson does is both heavily criticized and praised in TT. I honestly don't get it.
Watson, BY FAR, is the least of this team's problems.
Watson's play, BY FAR, is not the reason the Texans lost yesterday.
All I'm seeing today are 100s of pictures, stills, videos on the botched snap and the safety.