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Week 13:Texans colts GAME DAY

thunderkyss

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Hopefully Hansen can be a WR that can start next yr. We will find out the rest of the season.
Hopefully but these Texans seem to say away from things that work & focus on things that don't. Akins looked like he was about to break out a few weeks ago. Now, we need to put his pictures on Milk cartons. Duke seemed like he was coming alive in the offense, someone seems to believe David can do the same thing. & Fells doesn't get targeted in the red zone anymore.
 

Earl34

Hall of Fame
Hopefully but these Texans seem to say away from things that work & focus on things that don't. Akins looked like he was about to break out a few weeks ago. Now, we need to put his pictures on Milk cartons. Duke seemed like he was coming alive in the offense, someone seems to believe David can do the same thing. & Fells doesn't get targeted in the red zone anymore.
I'll never understand why they don't take things that were successful and run them on a consistent basis. Some teams seem to call the same plays, but disguise them with formations and motion. The Texans always seem to be reinventing the wheel.
 

Texazan

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0 pts in the 2nd half and although Martin sucks and that snap was awful, DW4 has the towel over his face because he knew he could've caught that snap. Hopefully he learns from this.
Hey no excuses, he said it himself. Hopefully he’s learned that Martin ain’t the guy.
 

steelbtexan

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For most it does matter. For others, it's an opportunity to be a troll for seven days.
Care to explain why they matter? I dont like to lose at anything, but the rest of the season should be about finding out if the young guys can play. Hansen for instance looked pretty good today. Adams, while not great looks like an upgrade over McKinney.
 

dream_team

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Has anyone heard anything from Cooks on that "interception"? That was a HUGE play. Should have been 1st & 10, in FG range. But for some reason, Cooks lets the defender strip the ball away from him. I thought for sure he got concussed, but apparently not... he just got the ball took from him.
 

JB

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Care to explain why they matter? I dont like to lose at anything, but the rest of the season should be about finding out if the young guys can play. Hansen for instance looked pretty good today. Adams, while not great looks like an upgrade over McKinney.
Winning today wouldn't have changed the fact that we are going to see more of Hansen and/or Adams
 

Earl34

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Has anyone heard anything from Cooks on that "interception"? That was a HUGE play. Should have been 1st & 10, in FG range. But for some reason, Cooks lets the defender strip the ball away from him. I thought for sure he got concussed, but apparently not... he just got the ball took from him.
The way he landed on his head, had his hands together and was down, I was certain it was a concussion.
 

dream_team

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JB

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So the guy that recovered the fumble went into the backfield, untouched! WTF! Looked like this was going to be a run play for David to the left. If that snap was good, he was going to get blown up for a loss.

Looks like Martin totally whiffed on blocking the DT. So not only did he give a bad snap, he didn't block the guy that recovered the fumble.
He rushed the snap and over-ran the block
 

JB

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I’m NOT defending Martin in any way, but Wade Smith has said repeatedly on 610 that our blocking schemes ask the OC to do thing that would be difficult for a HOF level player. We all know Martin isn’t anywhere close to being that good, in fact I’m not sure he’s serviceable at this point.
Another problem is that he expected the DT to rush straight upfield, but the DT knew we were running left so he cut around Martin. More a problem with play design than with Martin
 

Speedy

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Another problem is that he expected the DT to rush straight upfield, but the DT knew we were running left so he cut around Martin. More a problem with play design than with Martin
True, but it doesn’t help when you don’t have the talent, which Martin has never been.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Deshaun Watson goes through the Texans’ last offensive play against the Colts in the 26-20 loss
Mark Lane
Sun, December 6, 2020, 5:56 PM CST

The Houston Texans had a second-and-goal from the 4-yard line down 26-20 to the Indianapolis Colts Sunday afternoon at NRG Stadium.
With the Colts having called all of their timeouts and the Texans having their last one in their back pocket, Houston was in prime position to take the lead.
However, a low shotgun snap from center Nick Martin proved devastating as quarterback Deshaun Watson was unable to get on the football. Linebacker Anthony Walker did to secure a Colts victory.

What were the Texans going to do if not for the botched exchange?

“It was a zone-read play,” Watson said. “We were going back and forth if we were going to pass it or not. We didn’t want to leave too much time for the Colts’ offense, so we were trying to at least run it. If we run it in, then we run it in, but if not, the clock is going to continue to run.”

Running back David Johnson was to the right of Watson in the zone-read formation.

“I mean, I should have just caught the ball,” said Watson, who completed 26-of-38 for 341 yards and an interception. “I know it was a little low and hot, but for me, I take big pride in just catching every snap, regardless of where it is and how fast it is.”



THE REST OF THE STORY
 

CloakNNNdagger

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No one wants to say it here, but bottom line, the ball was in both of Watson's hands............he should have first just secured the ball before ever turning.........whatever the play was.
 

maverick512000

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No one wants to say it here, but bottom line, the ball was in both of Watson's hands............he should have first just secured the ball before ever turning.........whatever the play was.
I thought that to but its really hard to see from this angle. I've watched it several times and it looks like the ball almost hit Watson in the hip and he never really had both hands on it. Then Johnson is cutting over very close so that could have also played a factor in that you are juggling the ball and suddenly you have another warm body inches from you. Finally the unblocked rusher is on top of the ball and Watson within 1-2 seconds. Bottom line is even if Watson had stopped to secure the snap before moving the fact it wasn't where his muscle memory expected it to be, therefore requiring him to actually think about it, the defender would have gotten a sack instead of a fumble recovery. That might have given the Texans another play or two to try and get it in the end zone but that play there was lost the moment the snap was bad.
 

JB

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I thought that to but its really hard to see from this angle. I've watched it several times and it looks like the ball almost hit Watson in the hip and he never really had both hands on it. Then Johnson is cutting over very close so that could have also played a factor in that you are juggling the ball and suddenly you have another warm body inches from you. Finally the unblocked rusher is on top of the ball and Watson within 1-2 seconds. Bottom line is even if Watson had stopped to secure the snap before moving the fact it wasn't where his muscle memory expected it to be, therefore requiring him to actually think about it, the defender would have gotten a sack instead of a fumble recovery. That might have given the Texans another play or two to try and get it in the end zone but that play there was lost the moment the snap was bad.
It actually looks like it went just to the left of his left knee

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CloakNNNdagger

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I thought that to but its really hard to see from this angle. I've watched it several times and it looks like the ball almost hit Watson in the hip and he never really had both hands on it. Then Johnson is cutting over very close so that could have also played a factor in that you are juggling the ball and suddenly you have another warm body inches from you. Finally the unblocked rusher is on top of the ball and Watson within 1-2 seconds. Bottom line is even if Watson had stopped to secure the snap before moving the fact it wasn't where his muscle memory expected it to be, therefore requiring him to actually think about it, the defender would have gotten a sack instead of a fumble recovery. That might have given the Texans another pl.ay or two to try and get it in the end zone but that play there was lost the moment the snap was bad.
That play was lost only the moment the ball was not secured. The All-22 should settle the controversy.
 

dream_team

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DW deserves some blame. Priority #1 is securing that ball. But Nick gets the large majority of the blame. He's more worried about the block he has to make, rather than the snap. Bad snap, poor block. He does one of his jobs properly, Texans still retain possession and have two more shots to get a TD.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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The play was lost when the ball was snapped low and to the left, then Martin left his man unblocked and then the ball not being secured. There is much more going on than simply just dropping the snap.
It was 2nd down......the only smart play was to secure the ball and take the hit.
 

thunderkyss

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As bad as it was, our team should have won that game. That says a lot about the team BO'b put together, including DW4 (I know).

I'm not talking about moral victories. Just saying if we had competent coaches to prepare these guys to play... sigh.
 

steelbtexan

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The play was lost when the ball was snapped low and to the left, then Martin left his man unblocked and then the ball not being secured. There is much more going on than simply just dropping the snap.
DW4 said he should've caught the ball. What happened was DW4 was reading the DE on the zone read and the snap was low but not uncatchable if he hadn't been reading the defense before he secured the snap.
 

dream_team

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I'll say it. Watson should have caught the ball.


Still a bad snap.
I'm placing some blame on DW, but I'm not going as far as saying he "should have caught the ball". A good snap, you expect DW to catch it 100% of the time. A bad snap, like the one yesterday, that percentage goes down... maybe 60ish?

Imagine if Keke was wide open in the end zone, closest defender is 10 yards away. Watson throws a fastball 5 feet above his head. Keke leaps, gets both hands on the ball, but can't secure it. On Monday, are we saying, "Keke should have caught the ball."?
 

thunderkyss

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Imagine if Keke was wide open in the end zone, closest defender is 10 yards away. Watson throws a fastball 5 feet above his head. Keke leaps, gets both hands on the ball, but can't secure it. On Monday, are we saying, "Keke should have caught the ball."?
That's exactly what I'm saying.

This game is made by the people who make plays. The ones who don't are quickly forgotten (Not For Long). Can't expect the perfect ball every time. Every now & then, you've got to make those though catches. Now someone mentioned there were several bad snaps that we're not talking about & this is the one Watson didn't catch. That may alleviate some of the blame I place on Watson, but if it hits you in both hands... you should have caught it whether your name is Kekee or DeShaun.
 

maverick512000

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That's exactly what I'm saying.

This game is made by the people who make plays. The ones who don't are quickly forgotten (Not For Long). Can't expect the perfect ball every time. Every now & then, you've got to make those though catches. Now someone mentioned there were several bad snaps that we're not talking about & this is the one Watson didn't catch. That may alleviate some of the blame I place on Watson, but if it hits you in both hands... you should have caught it whether your name is Kekee or DeShaun.
If it hit both handsor Watson had both hands on it I'm in aggrement that he should have had it. Only question I have is did it hit both hands or was it more outside his left leg. As CnD said the all 22 should settle this, though we all know it won't, so I want to see it because the angle on that camera shot isnt the greatest.
 

maverick512000

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I'm placing some blame on DW, but I'm not going as far as saying he "should have caught the ball". A good snap, you expect DW to catch it 100% of the time. A bad snap, like the one yesterday, that percentage goes down... maybe 60ish?

Imagine if Keke was wide open in the end zone, closest defender is 10 yards away. Watson throws a fastball 5 feet above his head. Keke leaps, gets both hands on the ball, but can't secure it. On Monday, are we saying, "Keke should have caught the ball."?
Wide open, low enough he gets both hands on the ball then yes I say he should have caught it. Particularly if the game is in the line and that catch is the deciding score.
 

dream_team

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That's exactly what I'm saying.

This game is made by the people who make plays. The ones who don't are quickly forgotten (Not For Long). Can't expect the perfect ball every time. Every now & then, you've got to make those though catches. Now someone mentioned there were several bad snaps that we're not talking about & this is the one Watson didn't catch. That may alleviate some of the blame I place on Watson, but if it hits you in both hands... you should have caught it whether your name is Kekee or DeShaun.
Wide open, low enough he gets both hands on the ball then yes I say he should have caught it. Particularly if the game is in the line and that catch is the deciding score.
I guess we disagree here. I'm not a believer in the mantra, "it hit both hands, you have to catch it". some catches, while possible to catch, are simply difficult to handle. in my hypothetical situation, I'm blasting DW for making a play alot more difficult than it had to be.
 

disaacks3

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You dont have to say it. DW4 already said it. But I guess there's a few excuse makers on this MB that cant hear DW4's own words.
That’s because he takes responsibility for everything possibly within his power to control. I admire him for doing so, even when he shoulders blame alone... when he shouldn’t.

Go ahead, try and tell me with a straight face that the first and last snaps of that series were anywhere near “good”.


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