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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?
- Thread starter DanielTx
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Heck, he only threw for 145 yards in that SB besides missing more than half the AFC championship game.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Man, talk about ignoring everything on purpose. This post has Nick Wright or Max Kellerman written all over it.
Him and his offense smoked the Chargers who had one of the best defenses in the league last year by putting up 35 at half time and the game was already over. They ended up scoring into the 40's. The next week they went on to put up almost 40 in the AFC Championship Game where Brady let not one but TWO last minute drives to win that game at Arrowhead Stadium.
Brady had one of the best overall post seasons of all time. He didn't play awful in the SB either. His WR's outside of Edelman and a washed up Gronk didn't get open and that consisted of Hogan and Dorsett who is a first round bust that Indy let go of. He played within the strategy of their offense and made most of the plays that were there. They weren't playing from behind and he didn't need to force things to keep up on the scoreboard like he did in KC where he delivered there as well.
You're trying to squeeze one game out of the entire post season and trying to make the narrative about that when you don't get to the SB without his brilliance at QB in the first two games.
As for Staubach, he threw for fewer than 300 yards COMBINED in the 3 games.
That Cowboys team was run first, defense second.
Staubach fit the description of a game manager very well.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
It always does.
sometexansfan
Blue Bomber
He was talking about Brady's first super bowl run.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That would take a lot of time to study, and I don't think I'm up to it- unfortunately.
But with a much worse defense, it limits the REAL opportunities to score on offense.
Not only that, it puts the burden on the QB to generate points, leading to more risk taken.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Facts? What are those?
Small inconvenience with the way everyone keeps playing that game with those types. (Ha, didn't point out anyone specific so I don't think I'm in trouble) It’d be nice if the posts that people quote someone you have on ignore could be ignored too. My reason for using the ignore feature is to bypass the ignorance, especially when it's slung around 80 posts a day every single day. But watching people argue with it gets old too.
But like I said, small inconvenience.
Quoting yourself and then typing as if to a 3rd person
okay?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
We could have had Josh Jacobs.
I just give my opinions.
I dont like that people equate my saying DW4 isn't the guy to lead the Texans org to a SB unless he does the things I've stated many times before as defending BOB. He's a middle of the pack HC. IMHO
Tannehill has been playing against a string of poor to mundane defense.
Watson played better against the Chargers.
There's no doubt Brady came up big on the biggest stage at the most important drive to win a Lombardi. We can only hope DW4 can do this once in his career.
If you say so.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
True. Tanney had a great game vs the best defense he's seen so far in the Chargers (common win) (23/29 312 2:1) /// Deshaun's line was (25/34 351 3:0)
Total defense ranks for the last 6 Tenn games:
Chiefs - 20th
Jags - 23rd
Colts - 15th
Raiders - 28th
Carolina (common loss) - 24th = (Tanney 27/39 331 1:2) L 30-20 /// (Deshaun 21/33 160 0:0) L 16-10
Tampa - 17th
and now they get the vaunted Triple B Houston D!! ranked an intimidating 25th!! Titans are not that hot either at 19th, and Deshaun loves to play vs Tenn for whatever reason posting his best stats vs teams he's faced more than once so it should be a fun QB game. Vegas has the game as the highest point total (50 last time I checked) on the entire week 15 slate so expect some fireworks!
Here are Deshauns competition during Tanneys great run FWIW:
Broncos - 12th
Patriots - 1st (carved them up!!)
Colts - 15th
Ravens - 6th (yikes)
Jags - 23rd
Raiders - 28th
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The new generation QBs have no idea how great they have it today. It's actually quite humorous how QBs are graded on how they react under pressure. I would dare say that their grades would be much worse across the board if the old "no holds barred rules" that existed back when monstrous crazy pass rushers were allowed to roam and scare the pgeez out of their "targets." Reactions by today's QBs to these unrestricted fire-breathing rushers would be much altered when they needed to fear for their lives while still having to concentrate on finding and hitting their receivers..........not to mention running the ball would be all but an afterthought.
DW4 has struggled against the Broncos/Colts/Raven/Raiders in the last month.
Way to inconsistent to win a SB even with a top rated defense which the Texans clearly dont have.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
HOw are QBs supposed to be graded "under pressure"? I appreciate the trip down memory lane, but the NFL is innovating and the brutality of the 80's and 90's is gone forever. Snapping QBs legs in half shouldn't be some kind of badge of honor. This isn't the Roman Coliseum. If you want blood and guts watch the UFC. If you want to get an understanding of where certain QBs rank vs the Blitz those metrics are easily attainable.
CTE is real, and having to watch stuff like this on the field will actually TURN ME OFF from the sport rather than keep me engaged:
(i get the overall humor of the post Doc, not trying to be crass im just a little confused you would be advocating MORE contact)
CTE is real, and having to watch stuff like this on the field will actually TURN ME OFF from the sport rather than keep me engaged:
(i get the overall humor of the post Doc, not trying to be crass im just a little confused you would be advocating MORE contact)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I wish the guys who played in that era would be taken care of better. Some of these multi million dollar contracts would help their healthcare and lifestyle immensely if they could carve out a portion of that, the TV rights, and other money making contracts.
Jim Brown calls NFL's pension rate 'shockingly, immorally, low'
Brown said retired players forgotten by the NFL "need a voice."
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Don't forget to take into consideration points allowed as well.
Some teams are more successful at bend but not breaking by forcing turnover.
The QB's own ST and defense also help.
And Watson is not just about the passing game but also his ability to avoid pressure and to make plays with his legs.
Tannehill, not so much.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
No
I really hate how "total" defense (and offense too) ratings are only measured by yards given up. That doesn't even come close to telling you anything. We've got to start using DVOA. Or even Aikman is a better tool than just total yards.
Your point still stands as most of those defenses are ranked about the same or worse when DVOA is applied, though KC and TB are considerably better rated. KC-13, Jac-29, Ind-15, Oak-31, Car-23, TB-10
Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine when yards are used as the measuring stick. The Chargers, by NFL total yards standards, would have the 4th best defense. DVOA has them 21st. Even Aikman has them 18th.
Like I said, the point still stands in this instance as most of those defenses still suck. But that's off my chest. Carry on.
BTW, Texans defensive DVOA, 27th.
I really hate how "total" defense (and offense too) ratings are only measured by yards given up. That doesn't even come close to telling you anything. We've got to start using DVOA. Or even Aikman is a better tool than just total yards.
Your point still stands as most of those defenses are ranked about the same or worse when DVOA is applied, though KC and TB are considerably better rated. KC-13, Jac-29, Ind-15, Oak-31, Car-23, TB-10
Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine when yards are used as the measuring stick. The Chargers, by NFL total yards standards, would have the 4th best defense. DVOA has them 21st. Even Aikman has them 18th.
Like I said, the point still stands in this instance as most of those defenses still suck. But that's off my chest. Carry on.
BTW, Texans defensive DVOA, 27th.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I don't believe that I ever advocated MORE contact. I simply was making the point that assessment of how present day QBs react to the pressure (and potential trauma) they are "allowed" to experience are much lesser a challenge than had we had their assessments to compare to with them playing under the rules of the old brutal days.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
you're right im sorry Doc. I had this article FRESH in my mind (like i had just read it) and I didnt mean to come across snippy, or greater than thou.
Retired goalie Tim Thomas details brain damage from hockey
my apologies.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
absolutely valid point. kinda like if you want to use ePA for offensive diagnosis. Yards are the surface level variable that most still use so I just started there. Really if you get down to it points allowed should probably be the crown jewel for defensive teams, but so much of that falls on offensive counterpart turnovers in short fields and special teams play. Great point though I do agree with your application of the stat. (DVOA)
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| Rk | Team | G | Pts/G | TotPts | Scrm Plys | Yds/G | Yds/P | 1st/G | 3rd Md | 3rd Att | 3rd Pct | 4th Md | 4th Att | 4th Pct | Pen | Pen Yds | ToP/G | FUM | Lost |
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| 1 | New England Patriots | 13 | 12.9 | 168 | 764 | 264.8 | 4.5 | 15.5 | 36 | 159 | 23 | 6 | 17 | 35 | 91 | 814 | 28:04 | 23 | 10 |
| 2 | Buffalo Bills | 13 | 16.3 | 212 | 796 | 296.8 | 4.8 | 18.4 | 59 | 171 | 34 | 7 | 18 | 39 | 83 | 742 | 29:25 | 18 | 7 |
| 3 | San Francisco 49ers | 13 | 17.6 | 229 | 766 | 267.4 | 4.5 | 16.5 | 44 | 152 | 29 | 7 | 22 | 32 | 93 | 787 | 28:26 | 24 | 14 |
| 4 | Chicago Bears | 13 | 17.8 | 232 | 849 | 326.5 | 5.0 | 19.6 | 61 | 174 | 35 | 12 | 20 | 60 | 97 | 782 | 30:20 | 14 | 8 |
| 5 | Baltimore Ravens | 14 | 18.4 | 257 | 818 | 314.3 | 5.4 | 17.8 | 64 | 170 | 38 | 6 | 17 | 35 | 84 | 686 | 25:51 | 19 | 10 |
| 6 | Pittsburgh Steelers | 13 | 18.6 | 242 | 838 | 310.9 | 4.8 | 19.5 | 59 | 164 | 36 | 7 | 17 | 41 | 98 | 983 | 30:59 | 27 | 15 |
| 7 | Minnesota Vikings | 13 | 19.2 | 249 | 842 | 338.5 | 5.2 | 20.1 | 67 | 173 | 39 | 14 | 25 | 56 | 73 | 611 | 30:27 | 11 | 7 |
| 8 | Los Angeles Chargers | 13 | 19.3 | 251 | 751 | 304.8 | 5.3 | 17.8 | 67 | 157 | 43 | 7 | 12 | 58 | 93 | 832 | 29:27 | 14 | 3 |
| 9 | Tennessee Titans | 13 | 19.6 | 255 | 862 | 361.5 | 5.5 | 20.7 | 62 | 170 | 36 | 8 | 20 | 40 | 104 | 893 | 31:31 | 14 | 9 |
| 10 | Denver Broncos | 13 | 20.1 | 261 | 822 | 331.2 | 5.2 | 19.0 | 64 | 173 | 37 | 8 | 15 | 53 | 99 | 821 | 30:47 | 13 | 6 |
| 11 | Los Angeles Rams | 13 | 20.2 | 262 | 871 | 325.5 | 4.9 | 19.8 | 70 | 185 | 38 | 13 | 23 | 56 | 90 | 724 | 31:28 | 17 | 8 |
| 12 | Dallas Cowboys | 13 | 20.5 | 267 | 817 | 326.2 | 5.2 | 20.6 | 56 | 163 | 34 | 9 | 16 | 56 | 91 | 786 | 30:53 | 17 | 9 |
| 13 | Green Bay Packers | 13 | 20.8 | 270 | 806 | 367.9 | 5.9 | 20.5 | 59 | 150 | 39 | 7 | 12 | 58 | 86 | 853 | 28:50 | 17 | 7 |
| 14 | Kansas City Chiefs | 13 | 21.6 | 281 | 853 | 364.8 | 5.6 | 22.0 | 57 | 161 | 35 | 13 | 21 | 62 | 94 | 682 | 30:44 | 17 | 7 |
| 15 | Cleveland Browns | 13 | 22.4 | 291 | 815 | 346.0 | 5.5 | 20.5 | 54 | 162 | 33 | 5 | 15 | 33 | 92 | 732 | 29:44 | 13 | 5 |
| 16 | Indianapolis Colts | 13 | 22.7 | 295 | 786 | 345.1 | 5.7 | 19.5 | 67 | 162 | 41 | 6 | 15 | 40 | 96 | 915 | 29:11 | 15 | 8 |
| 17 | New Orleans Saints | 13 | 22.8 | 296 | 820 | 338.3 | 5.4 | 20.2 | 60 | 169 | 36 | 9 | 20 | 45 | 74 | 554 | 28:10 | 13 | 8 |
| 18 | Philadelphia Eagles | 13 | 23.2 | 301 | 782 | 326.7 | 5.4 | 18.1 | 58 | 165 | 35 | 8 | 12 | 67 | 104 | 831 | 27:41 | 14 | 6 |
| 19 | Houston Texans | 13 | 23.8 | 309 | 821 | 375.3 | 5.9 | 21.4 | 80 | 165 | 48 | 6 | 13 | 46 | 94 | 747 | 30:09 | 15 | 9 |
| 20 | Washington Redskins | 13 | 23.8 | 310 | 865 | 359.8 | 5.4 | 21.3 | 84 | 182 | 46 | 11 | 18 | 61 | 73 | 637 | 32:53 | 17 | 7 |
| 21 | New York Jets | 14 | 24.5 | 343 | 910 | 328.6 | 5.1 | 19.2 | 81 | 197 | 41 | 3 | 11 | 27 | 98 | 828 | 31:16 | 25 | 8 |
| 22 | Seattle Seahawks | 13 | 24.7 | 321 | 825 | 375.5 | 5.9 | 21.5 | 57 | 151 | 38 | 6 | 11 | 54 | 81 | 679 | 29:14 | 22 | 16 |
| 23 | Cincinnati Bengals | 13 | 25 | 325 | 830 | 399.5 | 6.3 | 20.4 | 73 | 166 | 44 | 4 | 8 | 50 | 108 | 878 | 31:19 | 8 | 5 |
| 24 | Detroit Lions | 13 | 25.8 | 335 | 868 | 394.7 | 5.9 | 22.5 | 74 | 168 | 44 | 3 | 10 | 30 | 93 | 743 | 30:42 | 20 | 11 |
| 25 | Jacksonville Jaguars | 13 | 25.9 | 337 | 799 | 373.1 | 6.1 | 20.6 | 64 | 154 | 42 | 5 | 10 | 50 | 83 | 732 | 29:08 | 18 | 7 |
| 26 | Atlanta Falcons | 13 | 26.4 | 343 | 818 | 366.4 | 5.8 | 21.5 | 69 | 159 | 43 | 7 | 14 | 50 | 102 | 880 | 29:31 | 14 | 4 |
| 27 | Carolina Panthers | 13 | 27.7 | 360 | 850 | 373.9 | 5.7 | 21.8 | 65 | 161 | 40 | 4 | 6 | 67 | 101 | 856 | 30:59 | 16 | 7 |
| 28 | New York Giants | 13 | 27.8 | 362 | 853 | 376.3 | 5.7 | 20.8 | 71 | 174 | 41 | 6 | 9 | 67 | 97 | 774 | 32:05 | 12 | 5 |
| 29 | Oakland Raiders | 13 | 28.2 | 366 | 797 | 376.4 | 6.1 | 22.3 | 72 | 155 | 46 | 7 | 11 | 64 | 72 | 600 | 29:33 | 11 | 5 |
| 30 | Arizona Cardinals | 13 | 28.8 | 374 | 878 | 414.7 | 6.1 | 24.0 | 79 | 170 | 46 | 2 | 11 | 18 | 91 | 840 | 33:24 | 20 | 8 |
| 31 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 13 | 29.3 | 381 | 860 | 354.3 | 5.4 | 20.9 | 58 | 171 | 34 | 11 | 22 | 50 | 100 | 873 | 28:58 | 22 | 13 |
| 32 | Miami Dolphins | 13 | 30.7 | 399 | 848 | 397.7 | 6.1 | 22.6 | 69 | 156 | 44 | 5 | 10 | 50 | 91 | 921 | 32:02 | 13 | 1 |
Fred
Veteran
I agree with you, he may be the longest running troll in the history of the internet.
However I disagree that his presence improves the traffic on this site. A lot of people either don't come here at all anymore or (like me) they come much less than they otherwise would, because they know that every single thread (Watson / O'Brien / Game week / Takeaways / whatever) is just going to be the ridiculous nonsense.
If someone else repeats the same point three or four times, one of the new Moderators will reply with "that's enough" but he is free to keep trolling the same nonsense hundreds of times. Even if the Mods don't care about it, it seems like Hookem would care.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
He isn't trolling by giving his opinions. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean he isn't allowed to suggest that Watson isn't that good of a QB. That is really the main issue people take up with him regarding the Texans, is that belief. You could easily just put his account on ignore and keep it moving or you could breeze through his posts and not read them.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
How is telling a poster he should put me on ignore and I have him on ignore attacking the poster?
Also it should be fairly obvious I'm in his head. That's certainly not meant as an attack.
PM me with your response.
Also it should be fairly obvious I'm in his head. That's certainly not meant as an attack.
PM me with your response.
My response post got deleted. LMAO
Apparently I wasn't playing nice enough with others. For the life of me I cant figure out how I attacked the poster.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I didn't read it, so I didn't get to see.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
“dEsHaUn wAtSoN iS nOt PrOgReSsInG”
PapaL
Loose Screw
Almost like the entire football world sees him growing...minus the local experts.
Texansballer74
The Marine
But Murray and Allen are progressing, plus they will be better.
Jackson and Mohamos are a 100 times better.
Lol at some posters.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Difference is these guys are actually studying his body of work. While the local expert is using the eye test with blindfolders on. Lol
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You guys just proved @steelbtexan right. At the beginning of the year he said Watson had to get better at reading defenses. Y’all got sand in your nether regions and said it was someone else’s fault.
The video posted y’all just said Watson has gotten better at reading defenses.
Good job guys. Good job.
The video posted y’all just said Watson has gotten better at reading defenses.
Good job guys. Good job.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
That's a lame assessment though. ALL young QBs have to get better at reading defenses.
Of course it is
But you wouldn't think DW4 needs to learn anything according to some around these parts.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don't think its getting better reading defenses so much as it is with the little things like looking off defenders and being decisive when it comes to running vs. passing. This is the 1 thing Jackson does better than him right now. When that dude decides to run, there's 0 hesitation. DW4 tends to run around behind the LOS & that tends to get him in trouble.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You might want to look at UR's avatar.
Did they break down the picks or explain why he threw the ball away instead of going down and keeping the clock running? I haven't seen those breakdowns yet.
I can tell you one reason he may have done it. If he had gone down where he was it would have made the field goal at least a 30 yarder instead of 24 yards. Fairbairn has missed 5 extra points from the same distance this year.
I know we got a delay of game & it pushed it back anyway but that does not change the fact that Fairbairn has been anything but consistent from that distance this year & that Watson may have felt he needed every yard he could get for him.
I'm sure the Texans considered the points more important than the time off the clock.
Can you imagine what we would be saying if Watson intentionally went down & Fairbairn missed the FG?
Then that horrible defensive performance on the TD drive would have tied the game.
I love how Watson engineering a scoring drive in the closing minutes of the fourth quarter that puts the Texans up by 2 scores gets twisted to how terrible Watson is as a QB.
I know we got a delay of game & it pushed it back anyway but that does not change the fact that Fairbairn has been anything but consistent from that distance this year & that Watson may have felt he needed every yard he could get for him.
I'm sure the Texans considered the points more important than the time off the clock.
Can you imagine what we would be saying if Watson intentionally went down & Fairbairn missed the FG?
Then that horrible defensive performance on the TD drive would have tied the game.
I love how Watson engineering a scoring drive in the closing minutes of the fourth quarter that puts the Texans up by 2 scores gets twisted to how terrible Watson is as a QB.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
1. That is the assessment multiple posters made, but @steelbtexan became the poster child for. The other side couldn’t handle that DW had something to improve on and wasn’t some mythical god. People still point out things that DW needs to improve on, and people get upset like someone stole their birthday. It’s always someone else’s fault. No one can critique DW.
2. LMAOOOOOOOO!!! ThAt iS WhAt PeOpLe AcT LiKE!!!
Sound familiar? It should.