banned1976
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In that same post I wrote I was concerned about the future of the Texans. Not exactly a vote of full confidence in Bill O’Brien. I’ve been semi to very critical of the personnel moves all season.[/QUOTE]
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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?
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In that same post I wrote I was concerned about the future of the Texans. Not exactly a vote of full confidence in Bill O’Brien. I’ve been semi to very critical of the personnel moves all season.[/QUOTE]
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
after all the moving pockets and self recognition from a game like last week, we tried to make Watson a "pocket passer" again. SMH.
TexansBull
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Right you did, but in the same breath you claimed that you weren't jumping to conclusions like Tex was in which I asked you what conclusions I was jumping to and did not receive an answer. Now here you are saying he should be canned. It seems like a contradiction.
dream_team
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Plenty of blame to go around. No one was safe from yesterday.
Watson & O'Brien are one afaic.... can't separate one from the other (as long as O'Brien is calling plays).
That said, to me it looked like our scouts missed very very badly on the Denver Broncos. We were looking to play some other team. A team that runs the ball a lot. & don't play good pass defense.
& it took them too long to realize the Broncos weren't who they thought they were.
Maybe OB was getting ready for the draft, or looking over the contracts and the salary cap.
Texecutioner
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No, according to a lot of the posters in here, that means the QB is in full decline and can no longer do it.
All of those things get attributed to other QB's when their Oline, their receivers, and other parts of the team are in disarray. Apparently that means the QB is trash or a failure. Watson must be
Texecutioner
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You came in and acted like he played a bad game without watching any of it.
Your only response was "Okay Brady lover" or some other lame non responsive retort like that from the jump. Nothing about the game or what even took place or why. It was obvious you didn't even watch any of it.
You ran away from a substance based discussion out of desperation. You just want things to happen and ignore other information to hope it rings true.
Mr teX
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See i think they thought that b/c Lock was a rookie, they would try to run the ball as much as possible to protect him & the Bronco coaching staff said screw that, they let the kid loose.
A lot of the posters in here? No, a lot of posts maybe but not a lot of different posters...
Hyperbole runs rampant in this place
A QB doesn't have to play 3 great games to win a SB.
See Manning and Elway for example.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Joe Flacco? Trent Dilfer? Jim McMahon? Nick Foles? Mark Rypien? Phil Simms? Brad Johnson? Jeff Hostetler?
All sarcasm aside. I've felt like everything we saw up until Dec 2nd was this team putting the pieces together trying to figure out what's what. & we wouldn't really know what we have until after Thanksgiving.
The Patriots game was nice. Their defense may not be #1 in the league, but they stymied Dallas & slowed KC, so it's pretty good nonetheless.
Then Denver...
They were missing Derrick Wolfe, Von Miller was gimpy, & Chubb was out. We give up 3 sacks & 5 false starts at home.
How cohesive can Denver's offense be when Drew Lock has been injured until two weeks ago?
I'm not saying Denver is a bad team. I picked them to play spoiler this year (figured they'd beat Indy, but they didn't). But we had every advantage over them & we got whupped.
I don't know how to explain it. I don't know what the problem is. & I know it's hard to win a game in the NFL. But I honestly believe we make it harder than it has to be.
I was wanting to mention some big names.
Even Brady didn't play particularly well in his last SB win.
They know the Texans signed Roby.
dream_team
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First of all, what's considered a "great game"?
In his first two seasons, he's put together 4-6 stretches of good games.
I agree that this season has been a little more up & down.
You will know greatness when you see it.
Can you define it as YOU see it instead of the vague answer?
Here a comparison of Watson to those 4 QBs.
P. Mahomes 2019: 11 Games, 253/392 64.5%, 21 Tds, 3 Int, 105.3% QBR
J. Garoppolo 2019: 13 Games, 273/393 69.5%, 25 Tds, 11 Ints, 103.9 QBR
D. Watson 2019: 13 Games, 295/436 67.7%, 24 Tds, 9 Ints, 100.9 QBR
K. Murray 2019: 13 Games, 293/457 64.1%, 16 Tds, 9 Ints, 86.9 QBR
J. Allen 2019: 13 Games, 242/405 59.8%, 17 Tds, 8 Ints, 85.8% QBR
dream_team
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dream_team
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Cool. I see it! Does that mean he's great now?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bwhahaha this dude said he puts Murray and Josh Allenahead of Watson. Man I just spit my darn coffee out laughing at that nonsense.
You expect everyone to see everything the same as you and come to the same conclusions... perhaps that's the problem. Perhaps you see 2+2 and come up with 22 while everyone else comes up with 4. I'm asking you to come up with specifics, not generalities like you usually do
Not even close.
Do you think he can become like the guys I listed? I think he will have a Moon/McNabb type of career.
Mr teX
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Steelb...come on bro...you can't really believe this.
I believe the other guys are improving, some like Jimmy G and Allen by leaps and bounds. I'm not seeing this from DW4.
Are you?
A80, how about responding to the post instead of the cute Ha!!! Ha!!!
DW4 looks nothing like the QB's I listed. Can he grow into this tpye of QB? Maybe
Has he grown at all this yr? I dont see it. If you do please expound on your thoughts.
Mr teX
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Yes i do. Jimmy G hasn't even had a full 16 starts yet i don't believe. Allen was complete & total garbage as a rookie. What is it that they say? no where to go but up from the bottom?
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yes, he's grown. He has made measured improvement. In fact, I posted a big long post with the actual measurements and you didn't like them, so you dodged the entire post and ignored the metrics presented to you. IN POINT OF FACT - he has improved. It's measurable, in that they have actually measured it with advanced metrics. You just don't like the results because it doesn't support your narrative. Nothing you have said on this topic is supported by data.
That's not to say he hasn't had some bad games.
Metrics
Look at how he's played against top defenses he faced this yr. The only one he's done well against is the Pats, which was shocking to me and what I thought might be a sign of progress. Then we saw last week and I'm thinking he han't really made any progress at all.
He's had a very uneven season and this type of play will never win a championship. But he will continue to look like a HOF'er agaist bad defense. In short DW4 is fools gold. You will see and it doesn't matter who the HC is, unless he learns to step up into the pocket and deliver the ball accurately you can expect more of the same. He will be successful against teams that let him drift to the right and get outside of the pocket. Teams that can keep him in the pocket will continue to see a confused DW4.
Funny hing is Tannehill is currently out playing DW4.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Wilson had a crap game Sunday night. Every good QB has them.
And what do those guys like Mahomes and Jimmy G have that Watson doesn't? WAY better coaches. Coaching matters. I left Murray and Allen out because Watson is much better than both of them. Murray is consistently losing and Allen has been winning with that defense and beating crappy teams.
Every QB isn't as wildly inconsistent as DW4. (Particularly Wilson.)
What do the others I listed have that DW4 doesn't have? They are much more consistent and that goes for Allen and arguably Murray.
Doesn't really matter who the HC, the Texans aren't going to win crap until DW4 becomes more consistent or they move on from him. I expect another 5-6 yrs on this rollercoaster with no championships.
austins23
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And who is it that is supposed to help Watson be more consistent? Coaching. I've mentioned it before, maybe even in this thread, that I'm ok with OB as a head coach. But he has to get a competent OC that can tailor the offense to allow Watson to become more consistent.
We will probably just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am not saying your view of Watson is wrong. I'm simply saying Watson would be better with a better offensive coach.
Josh Allen..
71.2
101.1
81.1
24.0
98.3
111.4
81.6
110.4
73.8
117.7
92.9
120.7
62.6
..the picture of consistency.
71.2
101.1
81.1
24.0
98.3
111.4
81.6
110.4
73.8
117.7
92.9
120.7
62.6
..the picture of consistency.
Chargers is a good defensive team.
And it's simple.
Not difficult to know that QBs often don't have a great game against the better defenses.
See how Mahomes fare against the Chargers and the Broncos.
They want greatness.
Which is even harder to find.
Montana started just 8 games his first two years.
Elway threw for 47 TDs and 52 Ints his first 3 years.
Mr teX
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They largely think Reid's an imbecile and is only being held up b/c of the greatness of Mahomes. They often cite his game management issues..his playcalling and his coaching hires. 1 guy is 6 years in and the other is 20 years in yet both franchises are complaining about the same thing.
Staubach started only 4 games his first 2 years, and he was already a mature player.
Brady barely played his rookie year, and averaged roughly 200 yards a game his second year (which you may extrapolate to some 250 yards today).
Nothing to write home about; certainly not the TD/INT ratio
dream_team
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Fans will never be satisfied. We consistently win the division and are in playoffs... ALOT of fans wish they were in our shoes. No matter how far the Texans progress, there will be people thinking "we can have it even better!"
You look at Reid's record, which is a whole lot better than O'Brien.
And the Chiefs fans still want better.
There's no reason why the Texans fans can't demand better than O'Brien.
Mr teX
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John Fox is barely over .500 as an NFL HC and doesn't have a job.....but he's taken 2 different teams to a SB, does that make him a better HC than Reid?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Hilarious that people are so desperate to defend O'Brien they're going out of their way to trash Andy Reid who just last season was held as one of the best coaches in the league for finding Mahomes and having several winning seasons in KC after pulling that franchise out of the gutter and getting the best out of Alex Smith.
What a reach.
What a reach.
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Fox probably bought himself the title of a start-up/turn-around specialist and bankrolled it into his current job.
And surely, some play-off success couldn't hurt his case.
He was a game away from another SB, meanwhile OB was getting blown out for the 3rd or 4th time. I lost count.
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